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June 27, 2023, 01:41:39 PM
#42
As per law all Humans are equal. That is the law, regardless of skin color, gender, intelligence...
In praxis the situation is a laugh or should we say a tragedy of disregard of law. Per Law no moderator is allowed to delete a post. A equal can not delete another equal's post. Paternalism requires a court to act
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June 27, 2023, 02:46:10 AM
#41
Citing Karl Marx, assertion on how a country's economy will develop whit a sole dependence on another societies economy, we will all agree that there can never be a thing as an equal society. following Marx "Dependency theory " of an economy ,societies which tends to develop political and economic wise must depend on another advanced Society's economy for development and as we all know such society will live in the debt and mercy of the advanced Society's in terms of their trade, so I'll conclude that an equal society is far from the globe.
  Max was right, but in today's world, Africa as an example, are under developing themselves, the colonial masters are gone, yet the independent are still shaking because of the leadership problem of Africa. till this date Africa has not make secondly product of their resources. its quite unfortunate that the equal society will never work anywhere in the world, and if its will happen in the future certainly it will not be Africa. Africa must go home and think. that's the only solution from modern day slavery.
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June 26, 2023, 12:56:41 PM
#40
Maybe the American people have been going on about it in the wrong way. They should ALL get into government, and then pass bills making equal pay for all of them.

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June 26, 2023, 10:13:16 AM
#39
Citing Karl Marx, assertion on how a country's economy will develop whit a sole dependence on another societies economy, we will all agree that there can never be a thing as an equal society. following Marx "Dependency theory " of an economy ,societies which tends to develop political and economic wise must depend on another advanced Society's economy for development and as we all know such society will live in the debt and mercy of the advanced Society's in terms of their trade, so I'll conclude that an equal society is far from the globe.
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June 25, 2023, 11:38:54 AM
#38
The American banking system is one of the best in the world. It is separate from the government, but the government authorizes it like any other free enterprise corporation. But here is why it is good. It allows society to go on in bountifulness, all the while stealing from the people in ways that seem to barely hurt the people... barely hurt the people until something like the Ukraine war (which the big banking owners are supporting) comes along, and inflation flies to the skies because of it.

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June 25, 2023, 05:20:12 AM
#37
The theories of Karl Marx has made us to understand that an equal society is possible if the society work in unity. Search has shown that 80% of relationship between societies is strictly bias and profit minded which make it difficult for equal society to exist. The rich hate the poor to reach the class and the poor hate the rich for always staying at the top. A quote says: the rich cannot sleep because the poor are awakes and the poor can not sleep because they're hungry. This are part societies from the pictures of seeing people equal or leadership doubtlessly working towards equal societies. Is any society that practice equality laws and equity for oneness in all shared resource?
An equitable and just society will be the desire of the poor and not the rich. If the resources of the country are used effectively everybody may at least have their basic needs. But the influential people in the society systematically short-change the masses and accumulate wealth. Capitalists will always partner with the government to exploit the masses. Most industries are owned by businessmen that are connected to top government officials so they will always make policies that will favor their cronies.

In my country, because the president has ties with some companies he makes policies that will negatively affect competitors. Some of them were wrongly charged with tax invasion and closed down. The favored firm will now enjoy a monopoly. They will fix the prices of their goods as they like because there are no competitors. If society maintains equality the rich will not get richer and the number of poor people will reduce.
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June 25, 2023, 04:50:53 AM
#36
Personally, I believe that achieving a completely equal society is a complex and challenging task. While Karl Marx's theories provide valuable insights, the reality is that human societies are often driven by biases, power dynamics, and economic interests. These factors make it difficult to achieve true equality.

However, I also believe that striving for greater equality is essential. By promoting fairness, justice, and equal opportunities, we can make significant progress towards a more inclusive society. It may not be an ideal process, but small steps towards equality can create positive change and improve people's lives.
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June 24, 2023, 06:17:49 PM
#35
Equal society is possible when the people perceived as leaders, Begin to see their position as an opportunity accord to them by the populace, the people at the leadership position should see everybody as one, treat everyone equally if the needs arises. There should be no segregation between the rich and the poor, the society at large will be seen as a peaceful and equal when everybody is been carried along in all aspect of development. The question remain the equal society is it achievable, when you take into consideration the recent happenings, you will be left with no option than to conclude that this event is very difficult to unfold.
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June 20, 2023, 11:03:36 AM
#34
Equal society is a funny notion. Society is always unequal because of good guys doing good things that make everything better, and because of bad guys always doing bad things that make everything worse. It's always like a tug of war between them.

However, in the end society is completely equal. Everybody dies.

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June 20, 2023, 03:00:54 AM
#33
My views on equal society
Who will serve as the leader and servant to the other if humans are created to be equal to other creatures? because there will be a level of equality among them that will prevent the other from following the advice of others. This is intended to be the situation. each of them would end up making the decision, and no one is agreeing with the other. That will be a significant issue because none of them has the last say in any particular issue or circumstance. That will inadvertently lead to a significant issue in a society where equality is practiced.

To avoid such a scenario not taking effect, let every individual focus on and work on their own goals and not be envied by others because all fingers can never be the same.
There has never been a fairly balanced situation. Even in the holy scriptures there were alot of politicking. Take the story of Esua and Jacob into account and you will realised how biased the whole scenario was.
In the government there are alot of conspiracies and even in our families, even as the parents may claim that they love all their children equally. It is never like that, there must exist this special child among others.
In the religious sector, there are alot of sentiments and that is how it will be until you work your way to the elites group.
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June 20, 2023, 12:08:10 AM
#32
Social inequality is an inevitable social phenomenon - it is a matter of different views. There is a view that inequality is always present because of personality differences between individuals. If there is an open society and if people differ in their talents and needs then that would imply that inequality is inevitable. It is a fact of society.
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June 19, 2023, 05:25:22 PM
#31
What you're talking about is communism. Communism is a concept that has only worked and would only work in theory. There is no way we can ever have an equal society. It's not in human nature. There must always be a hierarchy. There must always be class. The upper class, the middle class, and the lower class. The only thing I think is possible is to reduce the gap between the classes.
In today's world, the earth can fit perfectly in the gap between the upper class and middle class, not to talk of the lower class. In fact in some societies, the middle class is non-existent. It's just the upper class and the lower class.

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June 19, 2023, 01:24:38 PM
#30
My views on equal society
Who will serve as the leader and servant to the other if humans are created to be equal to other creatures? because there will be a level of equality among them that will prevent the other from following the advice of others. This is intended to be the situation. each of them would end up making the decision, and no one is agreeing with the other. That will be a significant issue because none of them has the last say in any particular issue or circumstance. That will inadvertently lead to a significant issue in a society where equality is practiced.

To avoid such a scenario not taking effect, let every individual focus on and work on their own goals and not be envied by others because all fingers can never be the same.
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June 19, 2023, 10:05:39 AM
#29
The equality of people is not a goal, but a correct premise. If you start from the premise that people are not equal because they are not the same, then you are already wrong in the first place (because this is a fucking racism).

That is, first a Bolshevik and now a racist for explaining to you what a tautology is. I'm growing my ignore list lately and you just ran for office.

...scientific and technological progress, it is quite possible to make sure that there are no poor people.

Precisely today there are fewer poor people than ever before thanks to societies that provide equal opportunities.

I don't blame you for anything. I'm just saying that confusing equality with sameness is a very common mistake, and there is no tautology here, people are equal, but they are not the same. And there is no need to fight for equality, because it is already there from the very beginning, it is necessary to fight against manifestations of inequality (racism, nazism and other remnants of caste systems). But in order to fight correctly, you need to clearly understand the difference between equality and sameness, because otherwise you will fight not with manifestations of inequality, but with manifestations of human individuality.

I hope my English is good enough to carry on a dialogue about such rather subtle things.
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June 19, 2023, 09:30:54 AM
#28
The equality of people is not a goal, but a correct premise. If you start from the premise that people are not equal because they are not the same, then you are already wrong in the first place (because this is a fucking racism).

That is, first a Bolshevik and now a racist for explaining to you what a tautology is. I'm growing my ignore list lately and you just ran for office.

...scientific and technological progress, it is quite possible to make sure that there are no poor people.

Precisely today there are fewer poor people than ever before thanks to societies that provide equal opportunities.
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June 19, 2023, 09:25:27 AM
#27
But the equality of people is quite an achievable goal, and you yourself recognize that people should be equal in rights and strive to give everyone equal opportunities.

The equality of people should not be a goal. At most I could agree that a goal is to avoid extreme inequality.
The equality of people is not a goal, but a correct premise. If you start from the premise that people are not equal because they are not the same, then you are already wrong in the first place (because this is a fucking racism). And yes, I agree with you that it is probably impossible to make everyone rich, because greed has no limits, but at the current level of development of world civilization and scientific and technological progress, it is quite possible to make sure that there are no poor people.
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June 19, 2023, 09:11:00 AM
#26
You are making the same mistake that the Bolsheviks made in the USSR

Really? That's a big lol right there.  Grin

What I have yet to see in this forum, to be called, in a veiled way, Bolshevik.

- confusing equality and sameness.

No because sameness does not exist unless we refer to the tautology that I am the same as I am, which is true but is so banal that it contributes nothing.

Sameness is impossible, because all people are different.

No, it's not impossible, but it's bullshit as I just explained.

But the equality of people is quite an achievable goal, and you yourself recognize that people should be equal in rights and strive to give everyone equal opportunities.

The equality of people should not be a goal. At most I could agree that a goal is to avoid extreme inequality.

What is an "equal society?" Those who incorporate (1) equality of outcome or (2) equality of opportunity?

(2) definitely.
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June 19, 2023, 08:07:53 AM
#25
It's not possible to have an Equal society, even in the family level we can't have an Equal one, because of our knowledge level and awareness towards life, but we can make it a better place,and live in harmony if we desire to be in peace and love each other. But to have an Equal society will it be possible till the world come to an end, the Rich and the poor can't never be on the same table.
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June 18, 2023, 03:35:47 PM
#24
This is Utopia.
And by that means, we'll never reach that point. Let's just not go with the leaders of this world but just with the simple citizens. There's always inequality and disagreement in things that we'll deal with and that's why this is impossible. As much as we peaceful making people wants to live in harmony and such, it's like a wish that will never be granted and seen.
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June 18, 2023, 03:31:14 PM
#23
OP you should learn from history itself. Using many sources to avoid bias, your check what happened to those communist governments. Look at North Korea. Check what communist China has been doing in recent years, especially in their economy, and understand if they are still following the doctrine of Marx. Learn what happened to the previous communist governments in Russia and Yugoslavia.

Humans are far from perfect. Perfect will remain an ambition as always. Any kind of government works well if we are perfect.   
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