Topic: Error Analysis in Bitcointalk Forum (Read 524 times)

Well that is true to some extent. But I made the emphasis on newbies because the old users though they also make many mistakes but their mistakes are like the newbies. It will be very hard for a Hero Member and a Legendary Member to make plagiarism mistake, it is very rare in the forum but from Full Members down plagiarism errors like daily basis. Even apart from the area of specialization, errors are bound to be made. Errors can be made from different angles or ways. Laziness can lead someone to make avoidable mistakes.

I will just capitalize in the error. In the forum i have seen that no body is mistake both arrangements of words and spoken language as composition of a text. Because their is a clause stipulated by op that newbies always make a mistake. But from my understanding i think it's not perfectly accurate. Because many users either the new users neither the old users do make a mistakes, so mistake is general something that can occur any time depending your level of concentration towards what you are doing at that particular moment.

Mistakes or errors is a part of human nature and you can't separate or have a person without errors else that individual becomes a god as a perfectionist. We could only try as much as we could to be perfect but never perfect even at our own profession, how much more other fields where we still hope to acquire more knowledge.

As much as errors are welcomed in a learning processes, it becomes bad when it's intentional. Maybe for the purposes of teaching a concept might be understood but, it becomes bad when you purposes commit as a way of cheating the system.
The idea has always and will always be, getting better or as close to perfection as we could be and when that's not the case but for obvious evil intents, your met with strict rules.

Plagiarism cannot be a mistake or an error for someone who is aware of it. Because that moment you are lifting what is not yours, your conscience will let you know.
Plagiarism can only be considered as a error or mistake when newbies who think that here is like other social media they will copy and paste anything and go their ways. You can also notice some members from different local boards that does not understand English. They will manage to put together sentence that is difficult to understand. Do you think that such people know about plagiarism in their own countries? That is why everyone should try and put plagiarism rules of this forum in different boards.

Plagiarism should not be considered as a mistake or error. Except in certain cases where it is proven that the poster or writer honestly forgets to acknowledge the source which is obvious that there is no way he or she was claiming ownership by way of not changing or altering the work copied as we have seen some members that have proved to have forgotten to paste source along with the post and hoping to come back to the post. For someone that has gone through formal education and presented project work or written thesis would have come across plagiarism as what is suppose to be credited. Not just on the forum but taking glory for another's labour isn't all that nice so not to be seen as mistake or error and when the words are largely changed, it may be proven as plagiarism.

With so many cases people make accounts because they've heard here and there that they can make easy money on Bitcointalk, then they start shitposting, sometimes it's difficult to differentiate the honest newbies who want to learn from those who don't care and only want an extra buck.
And then such mistakes (i.e. wrong attitude against honest newbies) do happen, indeed and, indeed, it's sad they happen. But maybe we have to also take into account that this is a free forum (as in free speech). People may have better days and worse days, with better attitude (and answers) and worse. Of course, this won't help the newbies who get too easily disappointed. I know that. Still I feel like this had to be mentioned.

A couple of points:

1. I guess you have to classify these further.

Errors normally connote unintentional or innocent mistake, not willful mistake. I don't call it an error if you copied a statement somewhere, rephrased it a bit, and posted it here making it appear it is your own. That's not an error.

If you confused then with than, it is understandable. If you failed to write a post with perfect grammar, for as long as the sense is there that's all right. But if you spammed, that's not an error.

Although you need to double check your posts, sometimes you miss a word or two, but that's all right. But if you have the penchant to just post right away without even rereading it, without even trying to correct punctuations, grammar, capitalizations, overall sentence construction, spelling, even sense, and so on, that's not anymore error.

2. It's unfortunate that sometimes even honest errors here, especially newbie errors, are not properly corrected but rather insulted, ridiculed, or even rebuked angrily. Rather than feeling mentored, guided, and corrected, there are probably newbies here who instead felt discouraged and unwelcome, thereby losing interest, curiosity, and the desire to ask questions, learn, and perhaps contribute.

What I love about your thread is your ability to outline the points you made in the thread and explain them in your own understanding and in your words. It shows that you have understood to some extent what is happening in the forum and decided to put them together to pass information or educate. This is rare for a member rank. Most long posts I see are either not organised or copied article from a website, after which a link would be dumped in the footer.

Though, some of the points above could be compressed, yet I give it to you for your thoughtfulness and efforts and your originality.

Errors do happen. We're human and, like the Romans said, "errare humanum est".
Many people here may have been even learning their English from the internet.

So it depends greatly on what kind of errors there are and how big they are.
Many write "loosing" instead of "losing", but one can understand their point. On the other hand I've read (a few times) some .. lists of words... (meant to be posts) I've completely failed to understand.
Or I've seen people trying to present nicely some advises or a "how-to", but it's full of mistakes. This cannot even be compared with spelling mistakes, since it can mislead others into making mistakes.
Or I've seen people "mistakenly" post links to malicious things.
Errors in judgement also do happen, just look into Reputation and start scratching your head

So, there are many types of errors. And you may have captured the most common, but arguably the less important ones (small spelling related errors for example don't matter much, at least not to me; wrong board can easily be reported and handled).

And I will go back to what Romans say. "Errare humanum est, perseverare autem diabolicum." Learn from your errors and evolve. Persisting in errors is "diabolical", they said.

Simply put – Mistake is a goof committed by one and discovered and corrected by the same person who committed it while error is a goof committed by one but discovered and corrected by someone else.

This should be seen as property theft and viewed as a serious offence, whether here or outside. It's a ban offence here. Yes, we know there could be unintentional slips where users could harmlessly miss crediting sources of articles they cite and that's why the issue is put into perspective when being reviewed by mods. In all, it's important for users to put source links to write-ups that aren't theirs.

A way out of this is to ask moderators to move it to an appropriate place if you're in doubt you posted it in a right place. That's not much of a problem or offence.

I disagree. Bounties are pretty much part of bitcointalk. For some it's cause of spam and to some it helps better contribute. Regardless, contribution is there.

I don't quite understand what you meant here, I don't know if it's a clear case of contradiction or English grammar failed you here. The word unknowingly and unaware as being used in the context above are synonymous to each other. But in your explanations, you gave both different meanings which in all didn't make complete sense.

Let me assume you wanted to say that "some users commit plagiarism intentionally, hoping that it won't be discovered while some are totally unaware of plagiarism rule in the forum"
In whichever case, it is best to avoid plagiarism because its consequence is capital punishment (pam ban).

How about "translation error", we've seen cases wherein someone translated something into a different language (and they supposed to be a native speaker). But when the translation is done, it missing some context, and sometimes to the point that it looks like the person uses a machine to translate it word for word. Like this cases:  

• Cheating translator and incompetent manager
• Scammer who translates in more than 10 different languages, please tag
• Fake Translators

These are basic mistakes on most users here even me it might be because ain't fluent in speaking English and that isn't my mother language.
But you can simply correct it and easy to determine if you will use third-party apps that correct your grammar, spelling, and even punctuation.  I used Grammarly, at least I know that I've got a mistake in all listed above before hitting the "post" and establishing your post.  I read it twice and sometimes hit the "preview" to make sure my post doesn't have a mistakes that mentioned above.

Only lazy people will do this.
They don't have an interest in the forum or they are here to earn but not to learn.

There are pinned topics where you can read first especially newbies. Why would you want to impress others with copied content?. This is Bitcointalk forum for learning, sharing crypto related discussions and not Impresstalk forum where you impresses people with your vast knowledge about whatever you wanted to share. An account doing plagiarism will get banned just as what lovesmayfamilis posted about feeling sound account.

Typographical and sentence errors are all grammatical errors. And these errors can be minimized by proof-reading and editing your post. After some minutes after posting, I normally go back to my post to reread  them to see if there are any errors because you might not discover them while posting the first time. Using grammar software can also be helpful because they can help dictate errors. Another important factor is to give quality time to your post. Ensure you plan and arrange your post especially if you are creating a thread, don't rush. Plagiarism is an unforgivable sin in this forum. Although, members might forget to reference, which is not an excuse,but it is quit easy to avoid plagiarism which is referencing your source. It is even better to over-reference because it is not a crime.
Spamming errors, Posting errors and Commenting errors are all caused by impatience, lukewarmness and laziness. When people are not willing to take their time to read and understand a topic before they give their comment, they make these errors. Having multiple accounts in different campaigns can also contribute to these errors. We should also understand that our names are brands and the quality of service or information we give will determine the respect our names would get.   

There are too many points that could simply be reduced to an illiterate letter. Of course, text that is readable, divided into paragraphs, and has a minimum of fluff is always welcome. But this is a forum where people write in a simple, colloquial, and convenient language for them. Some expressions are so appropriate that it seems that you are not communicating with a person in a virtual network but are at the same table.

Sincere interest and communication are always noticeable, and it doesn't matter if they are with or without mistakes.

Mistakes can be forgiven and there is no penalty for them, which is not the case with copying. An example of yesterday's ban is the feeling sound account, which created a bunch of threads here on the forum with other people's content taken from Reddit.

I wonder OP, in your opinion, whether this person did not understand that he was doing something bad?

Making mistakes is a human nature and we can't deny that but doing mistakes again not just in this forum but also in real life is different, you are just cheating yourself. Learn to accept criticism of your mistakes from others, we should learn from it and that is the beautiful part of it which is a learning process, a chance to do what is right in the future. Not all are perfect, but that what makes life beautiful.

They can avoid many of mistakes (errors) if they know importance of forum rules and sticky threads then spend their time to read.

• Welcome message
• Newbies - Read before posting
• Unofficial list of (official) Bitcointalk.org rules, guidelines, FAQ
• FAQ: Everything you need to know about forum 'activity, account ranks and merit
• Signature Campaign Guidelines (read this before starting or joining a campaign)
• Bitcointalk posting etiquette
• [Guide] Searching effectively

This is one of the stupidest thing I have ever read here.

You are saying that some people are "copying article to impress and have credit", but they didn't know a software would catch them. Oh, o unfair,  isn't it? Lol

Haven't you been to school where your teacher told you that you shouldn't copy other people' work?


People shouldn't be posting about their projects everywhere to get clicks. This is basic internet etiquette and ethics.
If everyone pasted their website in all threads this place would be a mess and nobody would use it.