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Quote from: ralle14 on September 02, 2024, 07:21:40 PM

Quote from: len01 on September 02, 2024, 09:08:51 AM

BTW, it seems that the prize allocation is decreasing every season, unlike The International in the past with its very large prizes. Undecided

It's mainly because the battle pass now barely has good rewards unlike the previous ones, and Valve probably got encouraged to make the change after the big decrease in TI11.

It seems that what @passwordnow said is true; perhaps the hype around Dota 2 has diminished and the interest in this game is also declining. This may also affect the allocation of TI prizes, which are decreasing as well.

Quote from: passwordnow on September 03, 2024, 12:56:12 PM

I have already some bets. But as for the TI winner, I don't have that yet. I don't know if I'll bet on that but as the tournament goes, I'll have some bets on the side for sure even on these best of 2 series'. Here's my bet that I've done yesterday, still thinking if I'll add for the day 1 or this might be it.

Your betting choices are very good. The 2 matches you selected have a great chance of ending in a draw, even though GG and TL are favored, but 1win and Aurora should not be underestimated; they can always deliver surprises.

There are 15 matches, but I only chose a few of the first matches. TBH, I'm a bit unsure about this choice. I need at least 2 bets to learn the playing style of all the teams in this TI.

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There was a CS2 competition recently finished which was BetBoom Dacha Belgrade. I got really excited to see EF reaching the finale but they lost hard vs Spirit like 3-0. Sad

Now we have ESL Pro League Season 20 started already. I hope we can do better things. As an EF fan, it feels different to have a draw against another Turkish team Sangal Esports in the upper bracket.

The odds are like 1.48 for EF win and 2.50 for Sangal win. A single bet doesn't look worth for only 1.48 but I'm confident we will be victorious. Cool

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Quote from: len01 on September 02, 2024, 09:08:51 AM

Back here to see the predictions for Dota 2 TI13. In TI12, TS was the winner, and in TI11, Tundra managed to defeat Team Secret. So, can both teams achieve success again this season?
@passwordnow, do you already have predictions for the TI match?

I have already some bets. But as for the TI winner, I don't have that yet. I don't know if I'll bet on that but as the tournament goes, I'll have some bets on the side for sure even on these best of 2 series'. Here's my bet that I've done yesterday, still thinking if I'll add for the day 1 or this might be it.

Quote from: passwordnow on September 02, 2024, 05:40:53 AM

Quote from: len01 on September 02, 2024, 09:08:51 AM

BTW, it seems that the prize allocation is decreasing every season, unlike The International in the past with its very large prizes. Undecided

Yeah, that's expected. I'm comparing it with the hype of what's happening in the market. We've got some peaks and drops and so the trend has come down for TI. But aside from the prize pool, the participants here are for their glory and that honor and title if ever they win the TI's aegis.

Quote from: arallmuus on September 02, 2024, 04:06:43 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on September 02, 2024, 05:01:38 AM

Yeah, there's one and that's 9class. It should be his first The International but because of the visa issue, he's got replaced by saksa who's also a former Tundra. For saksa, this is a blessing in disguise but of course this is bad for 9Class. Is it because 9class is a russian although he's got russian teammates but pure and ramzes have their international flights and tournaments already long time ago.

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I was not aware of this

Honestly speaking, Tundra has slim chance to win though. If I had to pick my top three to win TI then it would be GG, Team Falcons and Team Spirit. Honorable mentions would be Betboom and Team Liquid on the 4th place. Rather than watching Topson win his 3rd TI, I'd rather watch team Spirit lift another trophy though. Most of the players in Team Spirit has stayed together since their first TI so yeah its kinda sentimental compared to Topson

I couldn't agree more with that. With what I've noticed with Team Spirit, they really are becoming different every important tournaments like this. As for GG and Team Falcons, I think that they're on the same level right now. Last year was supposedly GG's year but they fell on TI. This year, it's Team Falcon's year and let's see if they'd fall the same but may the best team win. I'll just enjoy these matches and no one is going to drop and type that gg too easy for every match.

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Quote from: len01 on September 02, 2024, 09:08:51 AM

BTW, it seems that the prize allocation is decreasing every season, unlike The International in the past with its very large prizes. Undecided

It's mainly because the battle pass now barely has good rewards unlike the previous ones, and Valve probably got encouraged to make the change after the big decrease in TI11.

Quote from: arallmuus on September 02, 2024, 04:06:43 PM

Honestly speaking, Tundra has slim chance to win though. If I had to pick my top three to win TI then it would be GG, Team Falcons and Team Spirit. Honorable mentions would be Betboom and Team Liquid on the 4th place. Rather than watching Topson win his 3rd TI, I'd rather watch team Spirit lift another trophy though. Most of the players in Team Spirit has stayed together since their first TI so yeah its kinda sentimental compared to Topson

True, there are too many tier one teams who could easily push them to elimination.

My top teams to win TI are also the same and i'll include Xtreme Gaming with the fourth place group, even though they took out Team Spirit in the Snow Ruyi tournament I still think they'll disappoint once they meet the other top teams.

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Quote from: passwordnow on September 02, 2024, 05:01:38 AM

Quote from: ralle14 on September 01, 2024, 10:38:37 PM

Quote from: arallmuus on September 01, 2024, 02:49:33 PM

-snip

There's only one afaik and it's 9Class on the side of Tundra, it's a bit unfortunate when they're starting to look better as a team, but at least they got Saksa as his replacement.
-snip

Yeah, there's one and that's 9class. It should be his first The International but because of the visa issue, he's got replaced by saksa who's also a former Tundra. For saksa, this is a blessing in disguise but of course this is bad for 9Class. Is it because 9class is a russian although he's got russian teammates but pure and ramzes have their international flights and tournaments already long time ago.

-snip

I was not aware of this

Honestly speaking, Tundra has slim chance to win though. If I had to pick my top three to win TI then it would be GG, Team Falcons and Team Spirit. Honorable mentions would be Betboom and Team Liquid on the 4th place. Rather than watching Topson win his 3rd TI, I'd rather watch team Spirit lift another trophy though. Most of the players in Team Spirit has stayed together since their first TI so yeah its kinda sentimental compared to Topson

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Back here to see the predictions for Dota 2 TI13. In TI12, TS was the winner, and in TI11, Tundra managed to defeat Team Secret. So, can both teams achieve success again this season?
@passwordnow, do you already have predictions for the TI match?

BTW, it seems that the prize allocation is decreasing every season, unlike The International in the past with its very large prizes. Undecided

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Quote from: ralle14 on September 01, 2024, 10:38:37 PM

Quote from: arallmuus on September 01, 2024, 02:49:33 PM

Anyway, 3 days to go and it seems none of team members are going to be replaced so everyone got their visa approved

There's only one afaik and it's 9Class on the side of Tundra, it's a bit unfortunate when they're starting to look better as a team, but at least they got Saksa as his replacement.

Yeah, there's one and that's 9class. It should be his first The International but because of the visa issue, he's got replaced by saksa who's also a former Tundra. For saksa, this is a blessing in disguise but of course this is bad for 9Class. Is it because 9class is a russian although he's got russian teammates but pure and ramzes have their international flights and tournaments already long time ago.

I am cheering for them because they're a consistent team and topson is a three-time TI champ hopeful.

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Quote from: arallmuus on September 01, 2024, 02:49:33 PM

Anyway, 3 days to go and it seems none of team members are going to be replaced so everyone got their visa approved

There's only one afaik and it's 9Class on the side of Tundra, it's a bit unfortunate when they're starting to look better as a team, but at least they got Saksa as his replacement.

Quote from: arallmuus on September 01, 2024, 02:49:33 PM

Valve should have let the battle pass run for atleast 3 months to accumulate higher amount of crowdfund from the user base. They could do that but they decided to stick it with only 30+ days duration which is pretty lame decision

I guess it's not that bad of a decision when there's not much content to unravel, unlike the crownfall event. I also heard PGL will be handling the tournament as a whole and maybe it's why TI doesn't feel as exciting as it used to be.

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Quote from: Wapfika on August 31, 2024, 10:49:28 AM

Quote from: passwordnow on August 31, 2024, 05:45:46 AM

Lucky are those players and teams that have made a lot of money from the past TIs, their shares for each of them now has become the actual prize pool for the entire The International. They've got the luxury to retire or continue but now, even I guess a team that has won the TI will have no luxury to retire but to keep on competing and wishing to participate the bigger prize pool tournaments.

For real men, even the recent Riyadh Master has a lower prize pool on Dota2 since they allocate more prize to different e-sports which they support compared before that Dota2 alone has an insane prize pool equivalent to the total prize pool on the recent Riyadh Master.

Also battle pass sales is not that popular probably due to the saturated item and skins available in the market while there’s a lot of new games that shares already to the popularity of Dota2. Personally, I don’t play anymore due to the more complex on the gameplay.

It’s not a game to relax anymore compared before. I miss the old Dota version.

Dude, you've said a real talk in the latter and everything you've said are true. It's different today that you have to win every game and not just to have fun anymore, let's say that it has become competitive but that competition for every individual has gained toxicity and it's hard to contain. When you're a regular working man and your love for this game was there before after work, you gotta sit back and relax as you play. But not today anymore.

Battlepass is no longer a thing or it might be different if this is what they have focused on prior to the TI 2024 but it's not. The teams are going to most tournaments now with good prize pools because they can no longer wait for how much the prize pool of TI because it's most expectedly that it's not going to be a lot anymore. Good thing that there's the Riyadh Masters that has a larger prize pool not just for Dota 2 but for other esports too. The kingdom of Saudi Arabia really is investing into esports and they'll be known for this.

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Quote from: ralle14 on August 30, 2024, 10:30:47 PM

Quote from: arallmuus on August 30, 2024, 10:23:21 AM

Well I guess the game is dying, everyone gets older then move to another game or probably just casually play whenever we have time for some fun

I somewhat agree with the game slowly dying as Valve maybe focusing on something else. On a positive note, it's still in a good position when we compare it to other games that have a smaller player base.

Yeah compared to cs2, dota2 is still ahead for now in term of prizepool across tournaments each year but yeah at this rate its dying

Valve should have let the battle pass run for atleast 3 months to accumulate higher amount of crowdfund from the user base. They could do that but they decided to stick it with only 30+ days duration which is pretty lame decision

Quote from: passwordnow on August 31, 2024, 05:45:46 AM

Lucky are those players and teams that have made a lot of money from the past TIs, their shares for each of them now has become the actual prize pool for the entire The International.

That would be Team Spirit, they won the highest prizepool TI and probably Riyadh Master as well when they still had $15M prizepool iirc? Im not sure with the Riyadh Master winner though

Anyway, 3 days to go and it seems none of team members are going to be replaced so everyone got their visa approved

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Quote from: passwordnow on August 31, 2024, 05:45:46 AM

Lucky are those players and teams that have made a lot of money from the past TIs, their shares for each of them now has become the actual prize pool for the entire The International. They've got the luxury to retire or continue but now, even I guess a team that has won the TI will have no luxury to retire but to keep on competing and wishing to participate the bigger prize pool tournaments.

For real men, even the recent Riyadh Master has a lower prize pool on Dota2 since they allocate more prize to different e-sports which they support compared before that Dota2 alone has an insane prize pool equivalent to the total prize pool on the recent Riyadh Master.

Also battle pass sales is not that popular probably due to the saturated item and skins available in the market while there’s a lot of new games that shares already to the popularity of Dota2. Personally, I don’t play anymore due to the more complex on the gameplay.

It’s not a game to relax anymore compared before. I miss the old Dota version.

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Quote from: ralle14 on August 30, 2024, 10:30:47 PM

Quote from: Peanutswar on August 30, 2024, 10:57:55 AM

Even me I didn't bought this year battle pass because of the rewards, imagine if you will buy levels you will just receive a loading screen and the pick effects with teleportal plus of course the template of replica of aegis of the immortal, but unlike from the other years we have the arcana per level for the compendium including the immortal treasures that's the most awaiting this year which is already given in the crown fall but people wants to have the same vibes from the last TI events since TI6 of course.

I also stopped getting the battle pass since last year and only spent a bit on the talent voicelines. It's unfortunate that we won't experience the old battle pass with tons of good rewards, but I don't mind the change up they've done by introducing the Crownfall event when we get to spend less while getting decent rewards from each act.

In terms of the crownfall event its good they release few immortals and set right there which is unique and also the player has a chance to get a spin of arcanas well I got tons of trash but I love the couriers I don't know if they have baby roshans right there, it seems if voiceline ideal to have the Dota 2 plus because of the gems and the voice you can get also if you don't want we have free voice line in the tier of the clan if you got an active members to increase the tier.

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Quote from: arallmuus on August 30, 2024, 04:41:38 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on August 30, 2024, 03:21:05 PM

Quote from: arallmuus on August 30, 2024, 10:23:21 AM

Even if the crowdfund still ongoing even after TI start, I still doubt that we are getting close to last year.

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They're the developers of this game and they need to make more attraction if they don't want to see next year Riyadh master to be the alternative of TI and become the most sought yearly tournament of everybody.

Valve gonna milk whatever they can milk so yeah I guess most people would expect Riyadh to be the event of the year due to its prizepool. On another note, most players would be force to stay and keep playing dota2 competitively even after they win T1 because of this

Imagine if the prizepool stays above $40m. Some winners might just retired right after winning that huge amount of money

Lucky are those players and teams that have made a lot of money from the past TIs, their shares for each of them now has become the actual prize pool for the entire The International. They've got the luxury to retire or continue but now, even I guess a team that has won the TI will have no luxury to retire but to keep on competing and wishing to participate the bigger prize pool tournaments.

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Quote from: passwordnow on August 30, 2024, 03:21:05 PM

We don't also need more heroes, we've got a bunch of it but more competition that shall attract more players to get onto the game and become pros.

People are moving away from this game for sure because of the gatekeeping, even LOL has its own mobile version while dota2 still exclusively only can be played through pc. Imagine 5-10 years from now, number of people playing this game would drop drastically

That is for sure, AFAIK there's now another game that Valve is testing so I guess they're pushing players to go there while it's on an invite-test phase.

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Quote from: arallmuus on August 30, 2024, 10:23:21 AM

Well I guess the game is dying, everyone gets older then move to another game or probably just casually play whenever we have time for some fun

I somewhat agree with the game slowly dying as Valve maybe focusing on something else. On a positive note, it's still in a good position when we compare it to other games that have a smaller player base.

Quote from: Peanutswar on August 30, 2024, 10:57:55 AM

Even me I didn't bought this year battle pass because of the rewards, imagine if you will buy levels you will just receive a loading screen and the pick effects with teleportal plus of course the template of replica of aegis of the immortal, but unlike from the other years we have the arcana per level for the compendium including the immortal treasures that's the most awaiting this year which is already given in the crown fall but people wants to have the same vibes from the last TI events since TI6 of course.

I also stopped getting the battle pass since last year and only spent a bit on the talent voicelines. It's unfortunate that we won't experience the old battle pass with tons of good rewards, but I don't mind the change up they've done by introducing the Crownfall event when we get to spend less while getting decent rewards from each act.

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Quote from: passwordnow on August 30, 2024, 03:21:05 PM

Quote from: arallmuus on August 30, 2024, 10:23:21 AM

Even if the crowdfund still ongoing even after TI start, I still doubt that we are getting close to last year.

-snip
They're the developers of this game and they need to make more attraction if they don't want to see next year Riyadh master to be the alternative of TI and become the most sought yearly tournament of everybody.

Valve gonna milk whatever they can milk so yeah I guess most people would expect Riyadh to be the event of the year due to its prizepool. On another note, most players would be force to stay and keep playing dota2 competitively even after they win T1 because of this

Imagine if the prizepool stays above $40m. Some winners might just retired right after winning that huge amount of money

Quote from: passwordnow on August 30, 2024, 03:21:05 PM

We don't also need more heroes, we've got a bunch of it but more competition that shall attract more players to get onto the game and become pros.

People are moving away from this game for sure because of the gatekeeping, even LOL has its own mobile version while dota2 still exclusively only can be played through pc. Imagine 5-10 years from now, number of people playing this game would drop drastically

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Quote from: arallmuus on August 30, 2024, 10:23:21 AM

Even if the crowdfund still ongoing even after TI start, I still doubt that we are getting close to last year.

Valve don't want to throw money from their savings but are getting the call from the players. I hope that this year's prize pool will give them a sign that somewhere else, a tournament is becoming better with the prize pool and making the game more competitive. They're the developers of this game and they need to make more attraction if they don't want to see next year Riyadh master to be the alternative of TI and become the most sought yearly tournament of everybody.

Quote from: arallmuus on August 30, 2024, 10:23:21 AM

Well I guess the game is dying, everyone gets older then move to another game or probably just casually play whenever we have time for some fun

Hate to admit that it's closely there but we are seeing the signs and you know what? Gaben had banned teams to have sponsors on their banners, team names and even players name's. They are pushing away the money that's injecting these teams and players to remain competitive and stay with the game that we all like.

The real OGs are getting older and the items that they're releasing like the BP or compendium aren't really interesting at all. We don't also need more heroes, we've got a bunch of it but more competition that shall attract more players to get onto the game and become pros. But what they're doing is denying all of these sponsorships for this upcoming TI. And to give that reminder, we're just 4-5 days away from it.

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Quote from: arallmuus on August 29, 2024, 06:49:10 AM

currently sitting at around $2.3M. The lowest currently is TI3 with $2.874M. We are few days away from the opening games and actually I cant really imagine how this is going to surpass $2.8M

After checking the prize pool tracker for TI, the pace of the prize pool looks like it's at an all-time low. I don't know how long this year's battle pass will last, but there's still time for the prize pool to catch up if the duration is the same as the last TI.

Comparison with last year TI

TI12 had 32 crowdfunding days while we are currently still on 25th days so thats less than a week to go. Even if the crowdfund still ongoing even after TI start, I still doubt that we are getting close to last year. Well I guess the game is dying, everyone gets older then move to another game or probably just casually play whenever we have time for some fun

Even me I didn't bought this year battle pass because of the rewards, imagine if you will buy levels you will just receive a loading screen and the pick effects with teleportal plus of course the template of replica of aegis of the immortal, but unlike from the other years we have the arcana per level for the compendium including the immortal treasures that's the most awaiting this year which is already given in the crown fall but people wants to have the same vibes from the last TI events since TI6 of course.

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Quote from: ralle14 on August 29, 2024, 10:48:30 PM

Quote from: arallmuus on August 29, 2024, 06:49:10 AM

currently sitting at around $2.3M. The lowest currently is TI3 with $2.874M. We are few days away from the opening games and actually I cant really imagine how this is going to surpass $2.8M

After checking the prize pool tracker for TI, the pace of the prize pool looks like it's at an all-time low. I don't know how long this year's battle pass will last, but there's still time for the prize pool to catch up if the duration is the same as the last TI.

Comparison with last year TI

TI12 had 32 crowdfunding days while we are currently still on 25th days so thats less than a week to go. Even if the crowdfund still ongoing even after TI start, I still doubt that we are getting close to last year. Well I guess the game is dying, everyone gets older then move to another game or probably just casually play whenever we have time for some fun

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Quote from: arallmuus on August 29, 2024, 06:49:10 AM

currently sitting at around $2.3M. The lowest currently is TI3 with $2.874M. We are few days away from the opening games and actually I cant really imagine how this is going to surpass $2.8M

After checking the prize pool tracker for TI, the pace of the prize pool looks like it's at an all-time low. I don't know how long this year's battle pass will last, but there's still time for the prize pool to catch up if the duration is the same as the last TI.

Quote from: arallmuus on August 29, 2024, 06:49:10 AM

Well its only for TI13 though so its actually fine. I mean I'd rather have the players play only with their nickname rather than all nickname + all those added sponsorship on my screen

Same, the screen time for sponsorships is sometimes annoying, it'll be a breath of fresh air when almost every big tournament is bombarded with sponsorships (from gameplay to break time).

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Quote from: xLays on August 26, 2024, 04:18:38 PM

The International 13 is coming up soon. The groupstage starts on September 4 if I'm not mistaken. It's just sad as Filipino that usually, quite few Filipinos make it into The International Dota 2, but now there's only one Filipino who made it and that is Akashi (Eljohn Canonigo Andales) from Talon eSports. But that's still better than none. I just hope they don't get eliminated in the group stage.

It is one team to await for, Akashi seems to be a consistent player. Not as strong as the others but with his teammates, they really have the chemistry so good luck to them.

Quote from: xLays on August 26, 2024, 04:18:38 PM

Its unpredictable who will win this year The International, but I think Gaimin Gladiators will win, just like in the Riyadh Masters 2024, if their player lineup doesn’t change. For me Quinn still the best player right now.

GG is a strong contender and even last year, they're thought to be the champs of TI2023 but then it didn't happened.

To be honest, Team Spirit is changing and becoming better when the tournament prizes that they're joining are quite that much.

They're a three-time TI winner hopefuls and some other players that are two-time hopefuls.

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