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Before the last group matches today the current condition of Group C is like in the picture above.

ENCE and HEET are both out before the last matches. Complexity still have a chance mathematically for the third place now. Astralis need to be very careful about this situation. They are playing against Heroic and it is another match they can win actually. They have been successful against MOUZ and ENCE so far. Heroic are a tough team just as MOUZ. Heroic defeated Astralis in their last 4 head-to-heads. I don't know if this would help Heroic have a psychological advantage. But I expect Astralis to find a way to defeat them.

I think that I'll give Astralis @1.98 and Complexity @2.50 a try in my parlay. Both need to win today so I find these choices meaningful.

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Quote from: arallmuus on September 17, 2022, 04:55:13 PM

Kinda saw it coming before the game though. Entity beat Team Liquid yesterday like they were nothing

Entity bringing us a smooth win Grin

I also manage to get in before the start of the match but I only took the -1.5 handicap after watching Talon vs Polaris go through all five maps.

With the qualifiers finished, I guess we're back to some CSGO while waiting for the LCQ and Worlds which is a week or two from now.

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Quote from: arallmuus on September 17, 2022, 03:28:47 PM

Well its kinda their own fault for dragging the game for so long in the first place. Most of the game that ended up over 60 minutes should actually be over in around 40-45 minutes but they probably wanted to play it safe then drag the game by destroying all lane. On another side, they are pretty much hyped up at this moment while Entity's players are probably leisuring while waiting for their game so yeah

Taking -2.5 though, its abit aggresive but yeah Entity is way better

Entity got the slot.

Feels bad for Team Secret for going through a lot of matches and having it in a long game. I agree to you that it should be shorter so they save time and also have a time to rest a bit.

But, well, it's one of the disadvantage of being able to be sent in the lower bracket and they have to go through that disadvantage and unfavor to them.

Still, they are on the last chance qualifiers. Now, the last two slots from the last chance are going to be the last two remaining slots to complete the whole TI teams. From 12 teams there, only two will get in from this wild card.

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Secret is down 2-0 and it is not looking good in game 3 as well. Pure is super farmed and Secret has a very hard time managing him. I think it will now end 3-0 in favor of Entity. Good game for secret. They are really worn out. Reso is not performing very well in the lane.

Kinda saw it coming before the game though. Entity beat Team Liquid yesterday like they were nothing, that was the decisive moment that I knew for sure that they are going to qualify and on top of that its Team Secret again on the grand final so yeah took -2.5 maps without any hesitation on there. I would have gone for -1.5 on Entity if it was Team Liquid instead

It is now official; Entity got the ticket to TI 2022 in Singapore while Team Secret and Liquid will have to go through the last chance qualifier. It will be an uphill battle in the Last Chance qualifier since a lot of good teams are also qualified to go through it. But I think these two have a high chance that they will be able to qualifier through the Last Chance.

It will be an all-out rumble in the last chance qualifier.

The teams qualified for the Last Chance are:

1. Nouns - North America
2. Wildcard Gaming - North America
3. Infamous - South America
4. Tempest - South America
5. Team Secret - W Europe
6. Team Liquid - W Europe
7. Outsiders - E Europe
8. Na'Vi - E Europe
9. Xtreme Gaming - China
10. Vici Gaming - China
11. Polaris - SEA
12. T1 - SEA

What is your pick to win the last ticket to TI?

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Quote from: execijutiere on September 17, 2022, 04:58:27 PM

Eternal fire won both of the two games he played today. Sprout didn't show much presence in the 2nd half on the vertigo map against Sprout. They actually have a good map knowledge and game but they couldn't show it. Obviously we can say that sprout worked well. They eliminated Sprout and faced the 1win team again. This time they managed to win. Paz's performance was a bit lackluster, but he got some nice clutches in between.

Eternal Fire are the biggest favourite in this closed qualifier for ESL Challenger Rotterdam. They couldn't start well by a 2-1 1WIN loss but their return was really great. They had their revenge on 1WIN by this solid 2-0 win as well. Their performance on Dust 2 was really impressive. XANTARES really carried the team on this map. One of his rounds was really amazing as he got three kills with two bombs.

The new opponent in the consolidation final is Iron Branch. Actually they are a weak team compared to Eternal Fire. But they defeated forZe and 1WIN both. They were almost doing the same against Entropiq as well. As a result Eternal Fire should consider them as a dangerous opponent now and prepare well for the matchup. But Eternal Fire have a really good team performance recently. I believe in them to win this matchup by 2-1 in the worst case.

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Eternal fire won both of the two games he played today. Sprout didn't show much presence in the 2nd half on the vertigo map against Sprout. They actually have a good map knowledge and game but they couldn't show it. Obviously we can say that sprout worked well. They eliminated Sprout and faced the 1win team again. This time they managed to win. Paz's performance was a bit lackluster, but he got some nice clutches in between.

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Quote from: blue_hurricanger on September 13, 2022, 04:18:41 AM

you have my interest in the Eternal Fire team in the upcoming stage round for group D.

A big talent in a team is always an unstable force because CSGO as a whole is teamwork. Even s1mple couldnt fix Liquid's problems when he joined them and he didnt integrate nearly well enough, no surprise he was a long way from home and so on for any giant talent I always forsee possible friction occurring within a team beneath the surface. The astralis era seems to be over, I dont mind as we like less predictable results in betting surely.

9z should beat Furious right now. Main reason I dont mind the Xantares move is that new team logo is awesome I need more of those, glitter and whatever other types they come up with to eclipse the long standing Katowice holos of 2014

Theres alot more games tomorrow then today I think, need to decide on those havent quite yet.

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Quote from: jakelyson on September 17, 2022, 04:35:35 PM

Quote from: arallmuus on September 17, 2022, 03:28:47 PM

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Secret is down 2-0 and it is not looking good in game 3 as well. Pure is super farmed and Secret has a very hard time managing him. I think it will now end 3-0 in favor of Entity. Good game for secret. They are really worn out. Reso is not performing very well in the lane.

Kinda saw it coming before the game though. Entity beat Team Liquid yesterday like they were nothing, that was the decisive moment that I knew for sure that they are going to qualify and on top of that its Team Secret again on the grand final so yeah took -2.5 maps without any hesitation on there. I would have gone for -1.5 on Entity if it was Team Liquid instead

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Polaris Esports could have won the 5th match if they get a decent carry, why pick pudge as their carry in a crucial situation. Also in the fourth match if they just banned Slark might they have won that match.

It's normal these days to have a pudge in a game and being played as a pos 1. They have a strategy and that's what I also think whenever somebody picks pudge if they can secure the game more with a better carry.

It is not very successful though. I do not have the numbers for the win rate of Pudge but most of the matches I have seen in tournaments that played carry Pudge ended in a loss. I agree it was not the best pick at the time. A lot of missed hooks as well. It would have been a big upset if Polaris won that match up.

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Quote from: Trofo on September 17, 2022, 03:17:25 PM

I took Entity -1.5 @2.1 and I expect them to win this quite easy. They are the best team this tournament and Secret has to be a bit worn out.

Well its kinda their own fault for dragging the game for so long in the first place. Most of the game that ended up over 60 minutes should actually be over in around 40-45 minutes but they probably wanted to play it safe then drag the game by destroying all lane. On another side, they are pretty much hyped up at this moment while Entity's players are probably leisuring while waiting for their game so yeah

Taking -2.5 though, its abit aggresive but yeah Entity is way better

Secret is down 2-0 and it is not looking good in game 3 as well. Pure is super farmed and Secret has a very hard time managing him. I think it will now end 3-0 in favor of Entity. Good game for secret. They are really worn out. Reso is not performing very well in the lane.

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Quote from: Trofo on September 17, 2022, 03:17:25 PM

I took Entity -1.5 @2.1 and I expect them to win this quite easy. They are the best team this tournament and Secret has to be a bit worn out.

Well its kinda their own fault for dragging the game for so long in the first place. Most of the game that ended up over 60 minutes should actually be over in around 40-45 minutes but they probably wanted to play it safe then drag the game by destroying all lane. On another side, they are pretty much hyped up at this moment while Entity's players are probably leisuring while waiting for their game so yeah

Taking -2.5 though, its abit aggresive but yeah Entity is way better

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Don't really think it is fair for Secret to play the final after already 7 hours of DOTA played today. They won those games and they are hyped for sure but their opponents Talon had a nice day of just watching them, resting and thinking up strategies to throw spanners into Secret's cogs. I took Entity -1.5 @2.1 and I expect them to win this quite easy. They are the best team this tournament and Secret has to be a bit worn out.

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My 10-win streak ended when T1 lost the first aegis to RSG. But I just started another 2 straight wins with T1 barracks and ML. This is my luckiest DOTA2 so far this year. Cheesy

This is like the bet of first 10 kills, right?

These are like the bets that are good to have when it comes to these matches. Congratulations to you for predicting those straight wins that you've got.

T1, overall for the match that they have seems made it looking easy for them to win.

I missed that first 10 kills market but it's not available here. My bets were mostly ML, first aegis, and first barracks. I got 2 from soccer and 1 from basketball in that 10-win streak though.

With the kind of level, T1 is playing, I think they can take the TI slot, and as the days progress they can build that chemistry needed in order to compete well in TI.

I'm disappointed by the draft of goonsquad in that 2nd map. I don't know what they were thinking, 2 cores were too soft.

Puppey and Team Secret followed Nigma's earlier path into the lower bracket as they were badly outgunned by Entity in 2 games.

Well, sad to say about T1, they just ended 3rd place on the qualifiers but they are still available and can get that slot through the LCQ. Goonsquad is out.

But, Team Secret just as said is playing in the finals while Nigma is already out and it sucks because they've been out of TI for two consecutive years.

Maybe, we'll see a disband of Nigma soon.

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Quote from: Road21Bitcoin on September 17, 2022, 08:58:04 AM

Congratulations to Talon Esports for securing their ticket to The International 11 that was an epic match against Polaris Esports.

Congratulations to Talon Esports, the predictions about them were right and they even beat T1. As for Polaris Esports, they also did well, they've made the series almost to them with a 3-2.

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Polaris Esports could have won the 5th match if they get a decent carry, why pick pudge as their carry in a crucial situation. Also in the fourth match if they just banned Slark might they have won that match.

It's normal these days to have a pudge in a game and being played as a pos 1. They have a strategy and that's what I also think whenever somebody picks pudge if they can secure the game more with a better carry.

But that's it. Sea qualifier is now done.
TI11 secured slot for SEA: Talon
Last chance qualifiers 1: Polaris
Last chance qualifiers 2: T1

Now, the WEU is also in the finals and Team Secret finally made it to the finals against Entity, 1-0 in favor of Entity.

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Quote from: Beparanf on September 17, 2022, 08:38:13 AM

Kidding aside T1 still has a lot of improvement needed with there team work because Ana and Topson seems carrying there team with there own and not relying too much on there support. Most of the games that they win was there support has good lane to further extend there lead. They will be having a hard time on the wild card because there’s a lot of much stronger team there than SEA.

Whitemon and Xepher really need to watch a lot of 4/5 plays from other region. Their strategy is already a bit stale after a few wins that Polaris and Talon noticed, hence they are not giving a lot of opportunities to the supports to gank the midlane by putting a lot of pressure on the sidelanes. Draft wise, I think Kuku's draft is okay, and they certainly just lack some coordination and a good communication on how they want the lane to pan out. Topson and Ana are putting most of the work when in fact it should be Xepher and Kuku who creates the space early in the game. That batrider never even used lasso until minute 20 Cheesy

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These are the results of the matches so far.

Complexity did their best against MOUZ but they were able to win only one map. xertioN was really bad on the first map by only 7 kills but he made up for it on the other ones. MOUZ are the most consistent team of the group at the moment. HEET were on duty to defeat another big team and they started very well by winning the first map. But Heroic still pulled themselves together and made a comeback by solid wins on Overpass and Nuke.

Astralis are facing ENCE now and they are close to winning on Mirage and making it 1-0. I don't think Astralis will lose the series. They need an improvement in their morale after losing to HEET. Maybe this is a tougher match but they are strong enough to deal with their current condition.

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Quote from: Road21Bitcoin on September 17, 2022, 08:58:04 AM

Congratulations to Talon Esports for securing their ticket to The International 11 that was an epic match against Polaris Esports.

Polaris Esports could have won the 5th match if they get a decent carry, why pick pudge as their carry in a crucial situation. Also in the fourth match if they just banned Slark might they have won that match.

Polaris Esports and T1 will encounter a harder opponents in other regions to secure a slot for the TI 11.

Well played Talon, very close games indeed where changing just 1 thing could have completely changed the outcome of it. I genuinely thought Polaris would win the best of 5 as they started really well on map 1 and they had taken out T1, which had Topson and Ana. Unlucky for them.

Secret vs Liquid going on right now. The winner of this goes into the final BO5 for the spot at TI. Game 1 went over 60 mins and a great comeback by Liquid after being down 2 racks. It's hard to think that Team secret could actually be out of TI. If they lose one of the next two games.

Edit: they'd still have a shot at last chance qualifier but that will be even more challenging.

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Congratulations to Talon Esports for securing their ticket to The International 11 that was an epic match against Polaris Esports.

Polaris Esports could have won the 5th match if they get a decent carry, why pick pudge as their carry in a crucial situation. Also in the fourth match if they just banned Slark might they have won that match.

Polaris Esports and T1 will encounter a harder opponents in other regions to secure a slot for the TI 11.

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Quote from: icalical on September 17, 2022, 07:50:05 AM

Quote from: dothebeats on September 16, 2022, 06:36:25 PM

Their weakest link is Kuku, no doubt. The dude's trying to emulate Ammar's offlane heroes by trying to transition as a carry and hog one side of the map for his farm. Even then, his farm is still slow and his item choice is not impactful all throughout the game. That game 1 Viper he has had a lot of space, even more space than ana, and still end up not doing anything against the aggression of Talon. Game 2 he may have done something against 23savage but his poor shot calling ended up in Talon slowly but surely taking the upper hand. They better get this sorted out else they will not qualify to TI at all Cheesy

The weakest link is not Kuku himself, but it's the hero pick, I don't know who decide the hero pick, but most of the time Kuku use a low-impact hero, like Venomancer and Viper, though both are great hero to win the lane, but then it's expect both the carries to snowballing, winning the lane, winning the mid game, and end the game fast, and it put so much burden for both Ana and Topson. They might be a very good player but to dominate all games everytime is kind a hard.

Kuku is the one who draft there hero as he is there Captain so he stand corrected that KuKu is the problem of this team like Kuroky of Nigma and Bulba of EG. Kidding aside T1 still has a lot of improvement needed with there team work because Ana and Topson seems carrying there team with there own and not relying too much on there support. Most of the games that they win was there support has good lane to further extend there lead. They will be having a hard time on the wild card because there’s a lot of much stronger team there than SEA.

Grand finals of SEA is so intense. I never thought that Polaris can go this far on this tournament by almost beating Talon in the grand finals. A solid grand finals game so far to all qualifiers.

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Quote from: icalical on September 17, 2022, 07:50:05 AM

Quote from: dothebeats on September 16, 2022, 06:36:25 PM

Their weakest link is Kuku, no doubt. The dude's trying to emulate Ammar's offlane heroes by trying to transition as a carry and hog one side of the map for his farm. Even then, his farm is still slow and his item choice is not impactful all throughout the game. That game 1 Viper he has had a lot of space, even more space than ana, and still end up not doing anything against the aggression of Talon. Game 2 he may have done something against 23savage but his poor shot calling ended up in Talon slowly but surely taking the upper hand. They better get this sorted out else they will not qualify to TI at all Cheesy

The weakest link is not Kuku himself, but it's the hero pick, I don't know who decide the hero pick, but most of the time Kuku use a low-impact hero, like Venomancer and Viper, though both are great hero to win the lane, but then it's expect both the carries to snowballing, winning the lane, winning the mid game, and end the game fast, and it put so much burden for both Ana and Topson. They might be a very good player but to dominate all games everytime is kind a hard.

Aside from the drafts, they are not in sync all the time. There are times that Ana or Topson are left too deep in the enemy and their teammates are not in position to response or help them. They still have the chance to enter TI through the last chance qualifier since they ended 3rd place. They have a few days to polish their weaknesses and their plays. Hopefully, they come stronger in Last Chance.

Congratulations to Talon for qualifying for TI. It was a hard battle fought against Polaris. The wins are back and forth between Polaris and Talon but in the end, Talon got the win in game 5. Polaris was so close to making it to TI and having an underdog fairytale, but Talon is just too much in game 5.

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Quote from: dothebeats on September 16, 2022, 06:36:25 PM

Their weakest link is Kuku, no doubt. The dude's trying to emulate Ammar's offlane heroes by trying to transition as a carry and hog one side of the map for his farm. Even then, his farm is still slow and his item choice is not impactful all throughout the game. That game 1 Viper he has had a lot of space, even more space than ana, and still end up not doing anything against the aggression of Talon. Game 2 he may have done something against 23savage but his poor shot calling ended up in Talon slowly but surely taking the upper hand. They better get this sorted out else they will not qualify to TI at all Cheesy

The weakest link is not Kuku himself, but it's the hero pick, I don't know who decide the hero pick, but most of the time Kuku use a low-impact hero, like Venomancer and Viper, though both are great hero to win the lane, but then it's expect both the carries to snowballing, winning the lane, winning the mid game, and end the game fast, and it put so much burden for both Ana and Topson. They might be a very good player but to dominate all games everytime is kind a hard.

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