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Topic: ETH price soaring. Are you going to move some BTC into ETH? - page 72. (Read 198956 times)

legendary
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pumpers become now the dumpers ... shorts will be ruthless with this puffed up nothingness

I dunno...Even if you're absolutely right, shorting is a well-traveled way to get punished for being right. Undecided

"The market can remain irrational for far longer than you can remain solvent"
- J.M. Keynes...or any short-seller who got liquidated by a margin call only to see the overpriced you-know-what crater three months later.
legendary
Activity: 1568
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Lol Bitcoiners had a "good" day after all the agony that's still ahead and like to pick a bad day based on fake news, the price is already recovering and should touch 0.03 again during the weekend. We'll see where BTC and ETH are by the end of the year...
legendary
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Eadem mutata resurgo
pumpers become now the dumpers ... shorts will be ruthless with this puffed up nothingness
sr. member
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Merit: 250
But you guys are forgetting the move to pos is scheduled for the end of year. When that happens inflation will more less 0

Switching to PoS simply means a change in security model to weaken ethereum as a tradeoff to eliminate PoW. The issuance and inflation may still be high -

In this case much higher inflation than bitcoin.

https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/04/10/the-issuance-model-in-ethereum/

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"Taking into account both creation of new ETH and loss of existing ETH, in the first year, this represents a monetary inflation rate of 22.4%.  In the second year the rate drops to 18.1%.  By the tenth year, the rate is 7.0%.  In year 38, it hits 1.9%. And in the 64th year, the level of 1.0% is reached."

In this case bitcoin will reach less than 1% inflation in 2021, and Ethereum will reach 1% after 2080 (iF it is still around).
The more complicated matter is people are investing in a coin where Vitalk hasn't even made up his mind concerning the future inflation rate* and may stay to the original plan or change it at the last moment. Such is the case with a centrally planned work in progress.

*This is a really troubling fact. It is quite insane that people are throwing money at an unfinished whitepaper where the variables of coin distribution and security/consensus algorithm have yet to be determined.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3evolq/how_many_ethers_are_going_to_be_created_in_the/

*yes, it is troubling. i'm considering organising a forum day trip to Zug. bring sandwiches and a nutcracker
legendary
Activity: 994
Merit: 1035
But you guys are forgetting the move to pos is scheduled for the end of year. When that happens inflation will more less 0

Switching to PoS simply means a change in security model to weaken ethereum as a tradeoff to eliminate PoW. The issuance and inflation may still be high -

In this case much higher inflation than bitcoin.

https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/04/10/the-issuance-model-in-ethereum/

Quote
"Taking into account both creation of new ETH and loss of existing ETH, in the first year, this represents a monetary inflation rate of 22.4%.  In the second year the rate drops to 18.1%.  By the tenth year, the rate is 7.0%.  In year 38, it hits 1.9%. And in the 64th year, the level of 1.0% is reached."

In this case bitcoin will reach less than 1% inflation in 2021, and Ethereum will reach 1% after 2080 (iF it is still around).
The more complicated matter is people are investing in a coin where Vitalk hasn't even made up his mind concerning the future inflation rate* and may stay to the original plan or change it at the last moment. Such is the case with a centrally planned work in progress.

*This is a really troubling fact. It is quite insane that people are throwing money at an unfinished whitepaper where the variables of coin distribution and security/consensus algorithm have yet to be determined.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3evolq/how_many_ethers_are_going_to_be_created_in_the/
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legendary
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Merit: 1004
Eth is dead.  Next shitcoin please.
hero member
Activity: 1568
Merit: 507
The title should be changed to ETH price tanking, Are you going to sell ETH for BTC?
sr. member
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Merit: 300
But you guys are forgetting the move to pos is scheduled for the end of year. When that happens inflation will more less 0
legendary
Activity: 3066
Merit: 1188
Lies and complete FUD!! There is 90m cap. Not 20m new ETH a year. Quit lying.

Ok, having looked into it in a bit more detail:

If we work from the block reward up: around 5.7 ETH per block, 7200 blocks per day = 41000 Ether per day = about 15 Million new Ether per year.

On the other hand, if we work from the genesis block back, using this model for the calculation:

72 Million x 0.3 = 21.6 Million new Ethers per year (= 57000 per day)

I don't think that's FUD. It's just doing calculation based upon the best available figures I could find. If you have any more authoritative ones that conflict with these, please post them.

Refs:

Ethereum Issuance Model: https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/04/10/the-issuance-model-in-ethereum/
Forum Discussion 1: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/3evolq/how_many_ethers_are_going_to_be_created_in_the/
Forum Discussion 2: https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/37r3st/is_it_worth_buying_a_gpu_for_mining/

P.S. It's even acknowledged by the designers themselves in that "Issuance Model" document that Ethereum is not a good store of value - especially in the early years.

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the constant issuance, especially in the early years, will likely make using ETH to build businesses in the Ethereum economy more lucrative than hoarding speculatively

The market has got away ahead of itself. In a few years time, growth in industrial use of Ether may outpace issuance to an extent that it becomes a better store of value than bitcoin. But right now, speculative valuations are no substitute for that.

See also this guy.
sr. member
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there is not a 90m cap, the guy doesn't have a clue if that's what he's trying to say. Looking here might help
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/the-answer-to-the-question-what-the-final-coin-amount-of-ethereum-will-be-1345668
check those inflation figures lol
15.6m new ETH every year
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250

55 thousand new Ethers per day coming into the supply.

Need to keep increasing the marketcap just to maintain the price.

1500 BTC in buys (per day) should do it  Wink

Lies and complete FUD!! There is 90m cap. Not 20m new ETH a year. Quit lying.

a 90m cap? where is that carved in stone?
legendary
Activity: 2184
Merit: 1024
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55 thousand new Ethers per day coming into the supply.

Need to keep increasing the marketcap just to maintain the price.

1500 BTC in buys (per day) should do it  Wink

Lies and complete FUD!! There is 90m cap. Not 20m new ETH a year. Quit lying.
legendary
Activity: 3248
Merit: 1055
i liked to have one foot on ETH and the other in BTC but now i moved completely to bitcoin with only my eye on ETH lol

Good for you bro.
I don't blame users going into ETH of course we all want to profit. I even want to have ETH maybe if the price is still lower though. but now that the price is much higher, i just spit on it. i wanna see it dump real hard first before i will jump to the wagon.
hero member
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Merit: 501
i liked to have one foot on ETH and the other in BTC but now i moved completely to bitcoin with only my eye on ETH lol
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250


I don't see any new thread about ETH this time. what happen to them users?
Although I'm expecting a speculation thread and it could sprout any moment this time, maybe " ETH $100 next month thread".

and what's become of the BTC halving (double your money) hype machine recently?
legendary
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I don't see any new thread about ETH this time. what happen to them users?
Although I'm expecting a speculation thread and it could sprout any moment this time, maybe " ETH $100 next month thread".
legendary
Activity: 924
Merit: 1001

55 thousand new Ethers per day coming into the supply.

Need to keep increasing the marketcap just to maintain the price.

1500 BTC in buys (per day) should do it  Wink


A good lesson to short-term speculators never to 'watch the kettle boil' as we say in Ireland.
sr. member
Activity: 434
Merit: 250

55 thousand new Ethers per day coming into the supply.

Need to keep increasing the marketcap just to maintain the price.

1500 BTC in buys (per day) should do it  Wink


Actually 288000 new eth every day.


no
legendary
Activity: 3066
Merit: 1188

Actually 288000 new eth every day.

r.u. kidding ?  Tongue

How do you work that one out ? I did 20 million / 365.
jr. member
Activity: 198
Merit: 3

55 thousand new Ethers per day coming into the supply.

Need to keep increasing the marketcap just to maintain the price.

1500 BTC in buys (per day) should do it  Wink


Actually 288000 new eth every day.
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