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legendary
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Quite a lot of point actually. Basically the world will not trust "MSFTfuel/IBMfuel over VITALIKfuel" because, large though they are, those corporations are in no position to launch a blockchain with the success or maturity of Ethereum. They've always just bought their way into any technology they missed out on anyway.

The whole idea behind starting the Ethereum project if you go back and watch some of Vitalik's original presentations was to garner huge amounts of network effect into a "common bucket" so that even small blockchain assets could benefit from huge underlying hashpower and associated security, reliability track record and general viability as a Bitcoin 2.0 'safe' asset or application.

Whoever gets there first only has to not make any big mistakes to hold onto that momentum because it's a self propelling cycle as we're already starting to see. Price rises --> more miners arrive --> more developers arrive --> blockchain assets & services accrue value --> consolidates network effect --> price rises.

I don't think Ethereum is "money" the way pure currencies like Bitcoin and its specialised alt-clones are. But I think it can still reach a marketcap as a stock who's value gets reflected in the underlying value of the blockchain tokens.



What does a Bank or MSFT have to gain by buying ether ? Any technology of value can be stolen by them and forked as its open source. If Ethereum had 50 million users that would be a completely different story and it may make sense to buy ETH, but there are less than 25k Eth users which a PoS fork and boostrapping MSFT current community would lead to a much larger and much more secure userbase than ETHereum.

Do a little research into how these companies operate. They make cutthroat , smart business decisions .

Embrace, Extend, Extinguish

Right now MSFT is embracing the Ethereum technology, just like banks are embracing blockchain technology. IF enough intrest develops around Dapps than than expect a fork with MSFT issuing their own fuel and adding their own patents to the tech so they can control the technology (the extend stage), than they will continue not to buy eth fuel , and make it ethereum obsolete by removing compatibility or making it less useful deliberately in the Extinguish stage.

This isn't a slight because I'm a Bitcoin maximalist. I welcome the idea of competing alts and would lay the same claims to any bitcoiner who had the foolish idea that banks and governments would willingly adopt Bitcoin instead of create their own private blockchain.

This is just reality... I urge you to go ahead and buy a few ether if you want to play around with the tech or test a dapp to learn or develop your skillset... but investing in it because you think a bank or MSFT is going to be buying ETh is misguided and foolish.
legendary
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the price on bitcoin is going to skyrocket once all the people that bought etherium is comming back once the hype goes down.

I'd like to discover your logic in arriving at that conclusion - at least in the short term anyway. I think Bitcoin might rally for other reasons but if I think through what happens in the event that investment tide flows back a bit to Bitcoin:

[1] - there's no impact on the BTC/$USD price just from a ETH/BTC exchange

[2] - any profit taking from the ETH rise into dollars is going to impact adversely on the Bitcoin price, not favourably


If and when large companies start using "ethereum" , they will simply fork the code, add their own patents, and skip the nuisance of paying a high premium of buying into a wall of overpriced ETH. If Eth is merely smart contract fuel, than whats the point in paying a premium for this fuel when a wider audience would trust MSFTfuel/IBMfuel over VITALIKfuel?

Quite a lot of point actually. Basically the world will not trust "MSFTfuel/IBMfuel over VITALIKfuel" because, large though they are, those corporations are in no position to launch a blockchain with the success or maturity of Ethereum. They've always just bought their way into any technology they missed out on anyway.

The whole idea behind starting the Ethereum project if you go back and watch some of Vitalik's original presentations was to garner huge amounts of network effect into a "common bucket" so that even small blockchain assets could benefit from huge underlying hashpower and associated security, reliability track record and general viability as a Bitcoin 2.0 'safe' asset or application.

Whoever gets there first only has to not make any big mistakes to hold onto that momentum because it's a self propelling cycle as we're already starting to see. Price rises --> more miners arrive --> more developers arrive --> blockchain assets & services accrue value --> consolidates network effect --> price rises.

To me Ethereum isn't a "monetary asset" the way pure currencies like Bitcoin and its specialised alt-clones are. But it can likely, IMO, still reach a marketcap as a stock who's value gets reflected in the underlying value of the blockchain tokens.

I'm thinking a small but mainstream internet stock in the short term - lets say LinkedIn ballpark.

Who knows where in the long term.
sr. member
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Who are they? Banks? Banks wont be using Bitcoin, they want to destroy it as its a problem for them.
So they want to create their own private blockchain-based technology. One of things they are considering for this is Ethereum.

If and when large companies start using "ethereum" , they will simply fork the code, add their own patents, and skip the nuisance of paying a high premium of buying into a wall of overpriced ETH. If Eth is merely smart contract fuel, than whats the point in paying a premium for this fuel when a wider audience would trust MSFTfuel/IBMfuel over VITALIKfuel?

Maybe there is the first runner advantage? There are many bitcoin clones and offer many unique features, but bitcoin is still the No .1

Bitcoin only has first mover advantage because it offers a unique selling point as opposed to fiat where they can use regulatory arbitrage and it has billions of dollars of infrastructure securing it. Ether isn't a currency , but fuel....

The ethereum network value is in the following -
1) Code and apps - open source and can all be forked
2) PoW mining - Vitalik is going to fork it to a PoS variant removing this advantage
3) Established userbase - Still extremely small and not worth MSFT dumping billions to jumpstart
4) Developers - Not many , but any worthwhile can be poached directly without buying a single eth
5) Branding and trademarks- Insignificant an unknown by the mainstream vs MSFT/IBM/ect..

In other words, it would insane for MSFT or a bank to be buying eth rather than just forking it and using their own patents and branding.

MSFT appears to be doing just that ... there has been no evidence that any large company is buying Ether , instead they are on the first stage of --
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish


Maybe people are sick and tired of arrogant bitcoiners telling people what will happen in the future and it never coming to pass.
legendary
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Who are they? Banks? Banks wont be using Bitcoin, they want to destroy it as its a problem for them.
So they want to create their own private blockchain-based technology. One of things they are considering for this is Ethereum.

If and when large companies start using "ethereum" , they will simply fork the code, add their own patents, and skip the nuisance of paying a high premium of buying into a wall of overpriced ETH. If Eth is merely smart contract fuel, than whats the point in paying a premium for this fuel when a wider audience would trust MSFTfuel/IBMfuel over VITALIKfuel?

Maybe there is the first runner advantage? There are many bitcoin clones and offer many unique features, but bitcoin is still the No .1

Bitcoin only has first mover advantage because it offers a unique selling point as opposed to fiat where they can use regulatory arbitrage and it has billions of dollars of infrastructure securing it. Ether isn't a currency , but fuel....

The ethereum network value is in the following -
1) Code and apps - open source and can all be forked
2) PoW mining - Vitalik is going to fork it to a PoS variant removing this advantage
3) Established userbase - Still extremely small and not worth MSFT dumping billions to jumpstart
4) Developers - Not many , but any worthwhile can be poached directly without buying a single eth
5) Branding and trademarks- Insignificant an unknown by the mainstream vs MSFT/IBM/ect..

In other words, it would insane for MSFT or a bank to be buying eth rather than just forking it and using their own patents and branding.

MSFT appears to be doing just that ... there has been no evidence that any large company is buying Ether , instead they are on the first stage of --
Embrace, Extend, Extinguish
newbie
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Who are they? Banks? Banks wont be using Bitcoin, they want to destroy it as its a problem for them.
So they want to create their own private blockchain-based technology. One of things they are considering for this is Ethereum.

If and when large companies start using "ethereum" , they will simply fork the code, add their own patents, and skip the nuisance of paying a high premium of buying into a wall of overpriced ETH. If Eth is merely smart contract fuel, than whats the point in paying a premium for this fuel when a wider audience would trust MSFTfuel/IBMfuel over VITALIKfuel?

Maybe there is the first runner advantage? There are many bitcoin clones and offer many unique features, but bitcoin is still the No .1
legendary
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Who are they? Banks? Banks wont be using Bitcoin, they want to destroy it as its a problem for them.
So they want to create their own private blockchain-based technology. One of things they are considering for this is Ethereum.

If and when large companies start using "ethereum" , they will simply fork the code, add their own patents, and skip the nuisance of paying a high premium of buying into a wall of overpriced ETH. If Eth is merely smart contract fuel, than whats the point in paying a premium for this fuel when a wider audience would trust MSFTfuel/IBMfuel over VITALIKfuel?
legendary
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Who are they? Banks? Banks wont be using Bitcoin, they want to destroy it as its a problem for them.
So they want to create their own private blockchain-based technology. One of things they are considering for this is Ethereum.

This doesn't make sense to me sorry.  Why one cryptocurrency over another?  How is bitcoin a problem and ethereum not? 
sr. member
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How so?  What are they doing, and why? 

Who are they? Banks? Banks wont be using Bitcoin, they want to destroy it as its a problem for them.
So they want to create their own private blockchain-based technology. One of things they are considering for this is Ethereum.
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How so?  What are they doing, and why? 
Building and testing multiple blockchains in parallel which includes Ethereum. Good to see this integration in live testing.
legendary
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the price on bitcoin is going to skyrocket once all the people that bought etherium is comming back once the hype goes down. if we are lucky it will happend right before the halvening when the price is being bumped anyway.

Your broken english shows how out of touch you must be with the actual vibe of the world.  Good luck
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the price on bitcoin is going to skyrocket once all the people that bought etherium is comming back once the hype goes down. if we are lucky it will happend right before the halvening when the price is being bumped anyway.
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I don't see any strong reason for ETH to be rising so fast the past days. This only shows to me it's an artificial pump and will surely be followed by a deep dip.

Question is: is it worth it to buy it once this dip happens?

Looking at those impressive hiccups, I believe it's a nice option for trading...

Here are a few strong reasons:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/45shqc/boneheads_ethereum_news_to_come_updated/

But that is not secret at all. We know that for very long time.

Do people just realised the potential of Ethereum?
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legendary
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... not him.

Show me one thing that proves that it cannot be him

he now pumps the eth corp coin.
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https://www.reddit.com/r/BitcoinMarkets/comments/48q97z/daily_discussion_thursday_march_03_2016/d0lqhwo

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Consider...

The largest altcoin is significantly pre-mined.

The largest altcoin is permanently-inflationary.

The largest altcoin has a central dictator.

The largest altcoin's creators receive quite a substantial chunk of newly-mined coins every year, no matter what.

The largest altcoin has not even decided whether they will be PoW-based or PoS-based in the long-term.

...and, in fact, there are many, many protocol details that are changed on a relatively regular basis in response to newly-discovered vulnerabilities.

The largest altcoin was never designed to be a monetary token, and is ill-suited to this role. It was designed instead to be a fuel for smart-contracts (and it is almost a truism that no matter how successful the crypto revolution ultimately becomes, financial phenomena will always be more important and ubiquitous than smart-contract phenomena).

Much of the hype around the largest altcoin is based on the fact that entities like R3 are considering forking their blockchain for their own private purposes, but unlike in Bitcoin, these forks do not stand to drive any value to the altcoin's main-chain, because any forked networks will be entirely independent from the main one, i.e. demand for the altcoin will not increase due to R3's usage of a fork.

The largest altcoin's functionality can be replicated on the Bitcoin blockchain in a number of ways.

The largest altcoin's advocate(s) have recently perpetrated a widespread spam campaign to pump their altcoin.

I think it's an entirely valid perspective to consider the largest altcoin a "scam coin" in light of these facts. I am not trying to argue that it is such, but rather that those who dismiss it as a poor investment or a scam are not necessarily naive or uninformed.
legendary
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That's fair enough, but in the next days it will continue to rise until Homestead is released, then some time after that there will be a huge drop but I think I'll be on the safe side since I got in at 90s or so and after more than a week I think we'll be already seeing 0.03 and more.

The problem with your strategy is that taking into consideration the way this is unfolding, there will be huge drops but I think support may be much more expensive than the current value.

Well, good luck to you. This thing is showing incredible strength at the moment, I'll give you that. Hopefully I won't be looking at my BTC wallet and crying in the near future Cheesy
sr. member
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I don't see any strong reason for ETH to be rising so fast the past days. This only shows to me it's an artificial pump and will surely be followed by a deep dip.

Question is: is it worth it to buy it once this dip happens?

Looking at those impressive hiccups, I believe it's a nice option for trading...

Here are a few strong reasons:

https://www.reddit.com/r/ethtrader/comments/45shqc/boneheads_ethereum_news_to_come_updated/
sr. member
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... not him.

Show me one thing that proves that it cannot be him
legendary
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Well, a large amount of evidence points to Nick Szabo being Satoshi Nakamoto, this is proven with computer text analysis as well as a large and mounting pile of curcumstantial evidence.

Satoshi is not Nick Szabo.  Do some research.

I have done extensive research.  I have read everything there is to read on the subject.

... not him.
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