Topic: Ethnic cleansing in Ukraine. - page 4. (Read 19784 times)
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Thank for that US puppet mr. Eltsin. Unfortunately, it doesn't prevent some ruling elites from using double speak... They're constantly talking about "violent occupation of 25% of Georgian territory" despite a fact that Georgia had been recognized as an aggressor.
In any case, the game in Donetsk and Lugansk is far from being over yet. The first Chechen war culminated in the Battle of Grozny in August 1996 when the federal forces at first had conquered the city, but later had to conclude a ceasefire agreement with Chechen rebels after the latter regained control of it, and sign a humiliating peace treaty a year later (the Khasavyurt Accord).
Unfortunately, it doesn't prevent some ruling elites from using double speak... They're constantly talking about "violent occupation of 25% of Georgian territory" despite a fact that Georgia had been recognized as an aggressor.
Today, many Serbs will tell you that Milosevic was a traitor and coward. Same words we're starting to hear from Russian people not only in eastern Ukraine but their mainland as well.
Where, and in what context?
IIRC few days ago commander Strelkov accused Russia for denying rebels any kind of support. In his words, Russia threw them all to the mercy of fate. Then there are figures in Russia like for example hardliner Alexander Dugin, saying that when people in Donbass started the revolt everyone expected Russian troops to help. Or at least a steady supply channel. Instead, they've got isolation. They see Putin negotiates with those in Kiev whom they consider war criminals, a "junta", while their homes are getting destroyed and bodycount going up each day.
I perfectly remember the train of events on 08.08.08 (that is Georgian intervention in South Ossetia). People who fought in Tskhinvali (capital of South Ossetia) also began cursing Russia for not sending troops when civilians were dying there. Ultimately, it turned out that Putin's actions were perfectly timed, and after the dust settled, Georgia had been universally recognized as an aggressor.
So, my point is that it is yet too early to cry wolf!
More on the RAND "plan":
'US too embarrassed to advocate war crimes to Ukraine, subcontracts job to RAND'
http://rt.com/op-edge/170860-ukraine-rand-corporation-plan/
Also this is a well-formulated description of the situation:
'US too embarrassed to advocate war crimes to Ukraine, subcontracts job to RAND'
http://rt.com/op-edge/170860-ukraine-rand-corporation-plan/
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RAND Corp. is hired by Washington insiders to play games for them, indicating that despite all the money spent on national security and intelligence the US government is not up to the task, Chronicles magazine’s Srdja Trifkovich told RT.
A confidential document on Ukraine by the RAND Corporation was leaked last week. This ‘Memorandum on the advisable course of action’ provides three stages of a military operation in eastern Ukraine, which would ensure that a peace plan confirmed by Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko would actually fail.
A confidential document on Ukraine by the RAND Corporation was leaked last week. This ‘Memorandum on the advisable course of action’ provides three stages of a military operation in eastern Ukraine, which would ensure that a peace plan confirmed by Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko would actually fail.
Also this is a well-formulated description of the situation:
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You mentioned also Poroshenko’s peace plan. There is not peace plan, for goodness sake. This is really a demand for unconditional surrender. He says that he would talk after the so-called rebels lay down their weapons and allow the Ukrainian authorities to process them and to see who is culpable and who is innocent. That is a joke of a peace plan and even referring to it as a peace plan indirectly condones it, and that shouldn’t be done.
Poroshenko does not want peace. Poroshenko wants unconditional surrender of the eastern self-defense forces, and of course Kiev used the rhetoric of peace, but the kind of peace Poroshenko has in mind has been aptly described by an ancient Roman when he said of the Roman Empire, “They create a desert and they call it peace.” Poroshenko and the Galician fascists want to create a desert in Lugansk, Donetsk oblast and they will then call it “peace” and “a great and glorious victory.” Russia has to intervene. We are way passed the diplomatic niceties and games with the threats of sanctions.
Poroshenko does not want peace. Poroshenko wants unconditional surrender of the eastern self-defense forces, and of course Kiev used the rhetoric of peace, but the kind of peace Poroshenko has in mind has been aptly described by an ancient Roman when he said of the Roman Empire, “They create a desert and they call it peace.” Poroshenko and the Galician fascists want to create a desert in Lugansk, Donetsk oblast and they will then call it “peace” and “a great and glorious victory.” Russia has to intervene. We are way passed the diplomatic niceties and games with the threats of sanctions.
The Serbian public opinion was against providing military assistance to the Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia.
Then it's another similarity because according to VCIOM (Russian Public Opinion Research Center) 2/3 of Russians are against military involvement in Ukraine. As for the Milosevic: he didn't care about public opinion. He was pursuing his goals until being hit with UN sanctions, at which point he forgot everything he was saying before and turned his back on people he pushed into the war.
More on this subject from commander Strelkov:
"I seriously believe that we are dealing not with the Russian President’s deliberate betrayal of Novorossiya, but with a systemic sabotage by his oligarchy and top officials. I say this because the defeat of Ukraine’s southeast would plainly be fatal for Putin, both as a Russian leader and as a man. It would mean an irreversible step down to Milosevic’s path who once surrendered in Bosnia and Croatia under similar circumstances, was later finished off in Kosovo, and finally “expired” in The Hague prison."
Today, many Serbs will tell you that Milosevic was a traitor and coward. Same words we're starting to hear from Russian people not only in eastern Ukraine but their mainland as well.
The Serbian public opinion was against providing military assistance to the Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia. Milosevic lost elections to an anti-nationalist politician a few years later (Boris Tadić).
President Poroshenko Uses RAND Corporation “Action Plan” for Eastern Ukraine including Ground Assaults and Air Strikes
http://www.globalresearch.ca/president-poroshenko-uses-rand-corporation-action-plan-for-eastern-ukraine-including-ground-assaults-and-air-strikes/5389795
Read Mop-up stage. USA is basically advising creation of concentration camps!
They also talk about expropriation and resettlement of the killers into the homes of their victims.
And they also advise to isolate the area from journalists - total information blockade!
These steps are so 1942!
http://www.globalresearch.ca/president-poroshenko-uses-rand-corporation-action-plan-for-eastern-ukraine-including-ground-assaults-and-air-strikes/5389795
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Confidential document on Ukraine by the RAND Corporation leaked. Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko follows the action plan proposed by RAND analysts.
This Memorandum on the “advisable course of action” automatically means that the peace plan confirmed by Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko is slated to fail.
This Memorandum on the “advisable course of action” automatically means that the peace plan confirmed by Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko is slated to fail.
Read Mop-up stage. USA is basically advising creation of concentration camps!
They also talk about expropriation and resettlement of the killers into the homes of their victims.
And they also advise to isolate the area from journalists - total information blockade!
These steps are so 1942!
A sign of where Ukrainian conflict could lead? Victims of mortar attack stand before their flaming home, like a scene from the Eastern Front in the Second World War
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2677613/American-military-advisers-masterminding-Ukraines-surge-against-pro-Russian-separatists-bid-expand-Nato-east.html
Events in E. Ukraine ‘beginning of ethnic cleansing campaign’
http://rt.com/op-edge/170592-cleansing-campaign-eastern-ukraine/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2677613/American-military-advisers-masterminding-Ukraines-surge-against-pro-Russian-separatists-bid-expand-Nato-east.html
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Ukrainian officials said one border guard was killed during a mortar strike
Villages in the Lugansk region were targeted, engulfing homes in flames
Scenes resemble the trail of destruction left by Hitler's army 70 years ago
Buildings were set ablaze by ground and air forces between 1941 and 1943
Villages in the Lugansk region were targeted, engulfing homes in flames
Scenes resemble the trail of destruction left by Hitler's army 70 years ago
Buildings were set ablaze by ground and air forces between 1941 and 1943
Events in E. Ukraine ‘beginning of ethnic cleansing campaign’
http://rt.com/op-edge/170592-cleansing-campaign-eastern-ukraine/
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Any future peace talks between Kiev and the self-proclaimed eastern republics will be about their surrender, Daniel McAdams, the Executive Director of the Ron Paul Institute, told RT, adding that Ukrainian authorities are carrying out ethnic cleansing.
RT: Do you agree with President Poroshenko that civilians are not being targeted and the army is liberating the east of the country?
RT: Do you agree with President Poroshenko that civilians are not being targeted and the army is liberating the east of the country?
Today, many Serbs will tell you that Milosevic was a traitor and coward. Same words we're starting to hear from Russian people not only in eastern Ukraine but their mainland as well.
Where, and in what context?
IIRC few days ago commander Strelkov accused Russia for denying rebels any kind of support. In his words, Russia threw them all to the mercy of fate. Then there are figures in Russia like for example hardliner Alexander Dugin, saying that when people in Donbass started the revolt everyone expected Russian troops to help. Or at least a steady supply channel. Instead, they've got isolation. They see Putin negotiates with those in Kiev whom they consider war criminals, a "junta", while their homes are getting destroyed and bodycount going up each day.
Today, many Serbs will tell you that Milosevic was a traitor and coward. Same words we're starting to hear from Russian people not only in eastern Ukraine but their mainland as well.
Where, and in what context?
As the time passes, I find more and more striking similarities between Putin's way of handling this crisis and Serbian wartime president Milosevic's relationship with rebellious Serbian minorities in Croatia and Bosnia. At first, Milosevic was encouraging them to take arms and provided material support. Message was clear: fight, and you will stay in Yugoslavia. But the international community condemned his actions, put Serbia under the harsh economic blockade which Russia also joined, and sided with Croatia and Bosnia (that's including direct military help). Milosevic then pulled out, cut the supply lines and basically left those people alone.
Results: in Croatia, crushing defeat followed by mass exodus - today Serbs constitute 4% of total Croatian population, down from the prewar 12%; in Bosnia, major defeat - large Serbian entity there survived but only as constitutive part of sovereign Bosnian state.
Today, many Serbs will tell you that Milosevic was a traitor and coward. Same words we're starting to hear from Russian people not only in eastern Ukraine but their mainland as well.
Results: in Croatia, crushing defeat followed by mass exodus - today Serbs constitute 4% of total Croatian population, down from the prewar 12%; in Bosnia, major defeat - large Serbian entity there survived but only as constitutive part of sovereign Bosnian state.
Today, many Serbs will tell you that Milosevic was a traitor and coward. Same words we're starting to hear from Russian people not only in eastern Ukraine but their mainland as well.
That is so, yet Putin has dilemma - does he risk lives of a very large number of Russians by doing what Washingtons wants him to do and dragging Russia into a new World War (think WWI), or does he sacrifice a smaller number of people and denies Washington warmongeres the pleasure of calling Russia an aggressor and attacking it.
In the meantime:
In the meantime:
Sterlkov reports that if Russia does not intervene, then the situation looks very grim, Novorossia will die.
There are reports that the Novorussian locals are angry at the treachery shown by Putin. They expected him to send in weapons and supplies. But he seems to be having other priorities.
And this is the result:
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Лозунги о единстве с Россией ушли, на митинги люди идут уже без российских флагов, – отмечает руководитель Ассоциации независимой прессы. И поправляет себя: – Правда, сохраняется еще маленькая надежда на помощь в случае, если украинская армия будет продолжать обстреливать российскую территорию, что уже происходит.
Humanitarian disaster in Novorossia - a strange and terrible war is going on:
http://rusvesna.su/recent_opinions/1404478991
As not ethnic cleansing. This man put it quite well:
http://rusvesna.su/recent_opinions/1404474483
Those who do killing from the nazi side and are caught on video, speak Russian. Those who are being killed, speak Russian. In the parliament, even the radical ones speak Russian off-camera. So that is Ukrainian language and identity? something to brainwash the Western youth to make them into killing machines with a clear "national" idea?
http://rusvesna.su/recent_opinions/1404478991
As not ethnic cleansing. This man put it quite well:
http://rusvesna.su/recent_opinions/1404474483
Those who do killing from the nazi side and are caught on video, speak Russian. Those who are being killed, speak Russian. In the parliament, even the radical ones speak Russian off-camera. So that is Ukrainian language and identity? something to brainwash the Western youth to make them into killing machines with a clear "national" idea?
Novorossia will die.
Who need this Novorossia?
Problem is ethnic cleansing.
Enemy Nazi infantry kills off any survivors in the towns previously razed with the ground by their artillery shelling:
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404456953
The number of artillery rounds used so far seems to exceed the volume used in Chechen wars.
Sterlkov reports that if Russia does not intervene, then the situation looks very grim, Novorossia will die.
http://rusvesna.su/news/1404456953
The number of artillery rounds used so far seems to exceed the volume used in Chechen wars.
Sterlkov reports that if Russia does not intervene, then the situation looks very grim, Novorossia will die.
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