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After phonecall with Matt today, I can say you all: He is always the old one . I am so happy, that he feels good again...

So everything is working smooth again and we never changed our goals.

Greetz
Meta

Actually money get swapped out aswell, and when they do you get a window on about a year from theyre released to get your old money swapped for new ones, before they get useless. So to say that money always is valid and build your point on that isnt correct. 

Other then that i see a big problem with it always be valid means that someone has to sit on this massive amount of coins, and for an investor to open the big moneywallet and invest that will be a big concern. You can say that the devs are the best in the world, you can say that they wont touch it, you can say that only one person from the whole dev team has access to it,but in reality and with cryptos background the "investor" has to know that is true, and if/when the value goes thru the roof suddenly that pile of coins is worth alot, and in a easy grab for all the work put down, or a friend of a friend founds out and gets them , or it get hacked how its done isnt the issue the fact that it can be done has to be taken into consideration and thats hard, to say not impossible to try and prove such a thing. With a set reasonable timeframe for switching and then burn the remaining coins in a easy to lookup way that would be most fair to everyone both old holders and new investors.

@Matthias You take care of yourself man, hospital can never be good!! your health should always go first.

Thank you yes, there are some habits am trying to quit,for a while, (bad food, restless at night ...)
i am a passion driven person, often not able to just stop working, but this event gave some more weight to
my effort, (juice and sleep, sports said my doctor) . It's funny i have been a quite famous Dj ( this is the remains ) for over ten years.
Compared to 15 years ago i live like an angel, lol. I am quite happy having quit that life over 11 years ago,
not having health issues, but because i was bored and wanted to learn more stuff. Sports doesn't sound that attractive .....

but anyway lets stop offtopic, i will be fine and i will now go after the mining
It makes me nervous, that this isn't done yet, because of that unpleasant break

have fun 
Matthias


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take care man
health is the most valuable good u have
preserve it as long as possible

Look at this orderbook, isn't it AMMAAAAAZING

and there  is no pump at all, everything is real interst, times are getting safer :-)








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sorry for late answer, i was in hosptal.
The logovoting has been quite some time ago.
I just don't find the place to switch it off.
Anyway for your info, thats the result of the voting:




@CryptoJohn yes if i remember correctly we got busted with the same crypto (a mmxiv to WTFisTHAT)
not having missed the swap, didnt help either 


have fun
Matthias

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So that was a great plenty of Feedback keep up with that i will benefit all of us. I have been in hospital for a night and a day, due to some heard flickering (not a real stroke, but nearly one and an indicator to stop trampling my health) No worry I am like my coin in that point, the ground is not an option. When i came back i realized the the new blockchain did not mine at all, it has been some time ago, that i solomined, so please be patient wtth me, i'll go and get some help tomorrow.

Swap: Yes i'll agree with most of the points, it should be a long swap, with some puplic held reserves for very late comers. Also the staking idea is not that bad,
i would not use it for funding itsself, because i don't sell ERC for fundings, but it could be a great resource, to issue some rewards, fill faucets and so on

As a ERC holder you don't have to contribute anything, the maintainer is not a central authority by design, but often  his position gets powerful by social means and in that case, a maintainer has to work with integrity too give anybody the same service, you should not even have to like me   . Maintaining a coin is best, if users have not to deal with my actions, because nobody asked me, to to this and it has to benefit the community, who own the coin. Having bought (and mined) every ERC myself, i am just lucky enough to to be an owner like YOU. Socially thats a difference and advantage to not taken over altcoins. From  the decentralization standpoint one might even say an altcoins community strukture has to have had at least one takeover, to get to real perfection

I will be a bit slow tomorrow due to recover from my little breakdown, but i am here and will sort out the mining.

email list: Great one, i'll put it on my to/do list, you will have to sign up for it, because i cant sign in people unvoluntary, but it will help for future announcements.
Not  everybody feels as home on Bitcointalk as we do. For those its an alternative way to stay in touch.

have fun my friends
Matthias

well said.

These are the early days of development where everybody that has purchased a ERC at some point deserves to always have the same % of interest. If an investor helps plant a tree then he should still be able to enjoy its fruits years down the line.

Just saying, reputation and history will be as valuable as the technology on crypto goes mainstream.

Even now, who drops their money on a clone by someone who has scammed others in the past except dumb noobs who actually take advice from the troll box?

Think about it, do what you want.

thanks,
john

regarding long swap time one option would be endless swap time and coins not claimed are staking as dev support

i like the idea of freedom to not care about a coin

i mean if u see it as money i have the freedom too to have it untouched for 10 year i know it will still be valid cash

if u able to sign a message with ur address of old wallet and a copy of swap day show a balance u should be able claim that even in 10 years

that u lost all POS earnings of that timeframe is punishment enough

and that the POS of ur coins supported dev team is another possitive aspect

if i would be in the possition to design a swap scenario for DMD i would do it that way

grantee that ur coins stay valid coins is one part of the trust relationship between dev team and investor

I myself wrote that as one that did "bought in early" i have nothing else to do with ERC more then that i like the idea and are an early adopter that has stayed with it. I think If you care enough to buy in early but dont watch the market anymore after its stall/dead/over or whatever happens i still think thats a decision you have to make by yourself as a invester. Is my investment in a coin so big that its worth my time to atleast look whats happen now and then, or do i just see it as an investment gone bad, and move on?  Cant really expect devs to maintain everything just so maybe i can get back if it succeds, thats seems really unfair. Whats my part in that more then a first investment? Thats making it a bit to easy for myself and shuffle all the responseability on to the devs for everything? If you invest i think you also atleast have the responsability to see how it goes, and by yourself take the decision if i will stick around and spend my time to check it up now and then or leave it and  note it as a bad investment.

As to the if i bought 1000 shares of google or 10, 000 BTC in the early days, well dont really see the similarity, If i bought BTC early and then decided to move off the grid for a couple of years,  Should the devs stop developing then? (still talking early days) I mean i know i invested, If i dont care more about my investment and instead decides to go off the grid its a decesion i make and dont think i am entiteled to anything. I kinda know that the world dont stop spinning just bc im not online. I think they have to give a reasonable window for most people to get the time to switch it, but i dont expect it to be a longlife term, and thats the only way to avoid some that forgot about their investment until it blows up big everwhere. There was alot that bought in on btc early that just removed it or forgot about it, and should never given it any more thought if it hadnt gotten so big.

in 1993 i bought a program to microsoft windows 3.1 havent used it in years but today that program would come in handy, you actually mean that i should expect that i can get it from the floppys its on and demand that the company i bought it from (or invested if you will) starts making drivers and rewrite the code so i can use it on my windows 7-10 im using now?  

 

I like ur idea for the emaillist, but two points:

1. A serious investor will take care of his investments and watch not only one time per year for their success.

2. How big shall be the amount to ident it as an "investment".
But of course I go in touch with Matthias to discuss it.

And I am happy to let these thread growing with interested ppl

I understand your opinion but still feel that when you decide to hard fork it is your responsibility to care for those that bought in early who may not watch the markets.

If you bought 1000 shares of google or 10,000 BTC in the early days and then got ship wrecked or went in a coma or was locked in prison or decided to live off the grid for a couple years are you still not entitled to the fortunes that your risks have become? I say yes and the only true way to be legitimate is to never leave anyone behind.

Set up a small network of R Pi's or get a few hosted nodes for the old chain... If not, you risk being labeled shady and the general public isn't going to care about the fine technical details, only that people invested their hard earned money on your idea and you turned your back on them.

I have mentioned on multiple threads to start a email list in the OP. This way any updates are sent directly to investors and they don't have to go searching for them. So far none of the coins that I hold have implemented this simple idea.

Why i cant  vote logo?

Favor the idea on a longer swaptime, to ease the b*** that will come if/when someone will be to late to the party and realize they had coins when they see them explode in value, but think that a "no time limit" one would be very hard to reach up to, you gotta have the old network running and maintaining it, still gotta get support on old network when wallet/sometrhing dont work... that will add upp to a lot of time that could be spent on the new one instead. I am for a prolonged swap time (what the actual number would be i leave to devs to decide ) but a time window on 2-3 month would be more then enough? If you didnt check your coins by then what say you would do it in a year? I have old coins i havent checked and if they would blom and i can get something for it great! But i consider them dead so if someone actually take said coin under its wing start develop it again (bringin it back from the dead if you will) i cant really exspect that they dont develop it so that they dont need a fork/bigger update and have to maintain the old one aswell bc i maybe will come back and see that they are actually good again.

I would exspect a announcement, and a reasonable time frame for me to see it before its to late to do the swap (if there is one)... but other then that its really my own fault if i didnt paid any attention to it, and deemed it as dead, then i made my descision and actyally decied its not worth my time to look at it anymore to see if theres a change. 

Great idea...so we have always a backdoor open for the "be too late ppl". So we need always the network running for the old coins???

Swap:

I as well think the coin count should remain the same 

As for the left over coins, I favor an open ended swap with no time limit for those that check in once every 6-12 months or those that recover their lost coins at some point. Keep the un-swapped coins in a public account forever displayed on OP & website.

So many swaps have become scandalous by leaving early supporters behind. The latest example was the ROS to FLY swap, what a bunch of shit for many.

nice  you are sharing your thoughts i am monitoring and will
jump in, to comment in saturday evenig, to give everybody some time.

by the way, looks like we got picked up by Richard Brendsons birthday challenge,
that would be really exciting, i'll continue monitoring on @europecoinEUORG
you can help by retweeting (given my last MEME, he seems to be a person with humor +1 for him)...


@nfigueir
Ok, given, we are about to launch the new version ofERC with a hardfork  anyway, this would't be the end of the world. 

but if you wish try following:
keep the blockchain, but this time delete the wallet.sat
(  CAUTION - OF CAUSE SAVE IT SOMEWHERE ELSE FIRST !!!
then make a proper windows update and check if you have the c++  runtime in installed.
Info about dependences are in the ERCfolder ../docs/readme on github. Then switch of your antivirus
and do a reboot before installing. After sync Shut it down and then swap the new Wallet.dat with your old one

This works in case, your new PC has the same architecture like the old one (32bit/64bbit)

if your new PC is different  diffenrt architecture, you will have to uninstall Europecoin  after wallet.dat backup,
then delete the whole data folder an install ERC after reboot and start it.
After sync Shut it down and then swap the new Wallet.dat with your old one


hope that helps
Matthias 


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I could agree with this also, a good suggestion.

I vote for the same amount of coins that started, but the coins that got lost, the coins that will remain when all active erc holders done their swap should be burned in public so its easy to track that they actually is burned, and then the total amount just reduced with the burned amount.

I really dont think there is any advantage in reducing the number of coins.

I vote for same amount of coins,  and the coins that have been lost in cyberspace, the coins that will remain when everybody done their swap, they should be spread out to all ERC holders, based on their holdings.

Of course some could be used in a faucet.