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So what's the verdict? Forum's favorite camgirl turned scamgirl?

For me, what really nailed down the matter was when Dave from Wallet Recovery Services said he didn’t know her.  Yes, Dave posted in this thread.  Oh yes, I remembered that she had said she knew Dave from “the best wallet recovery service” IRL; so I pinged Dave, in case he could corroborate about her and her brother.  After he posted here, her best response was something along the lines of, “other Dave”.

Way upthread.  You missed much.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.31227646

That’s after she challenged theymos’ IP evidence on alleged grounds of sharing Internet (and accounts, and e-mails...) with her alleged brother.

One thing that I want to point out - and it's obviously quite redundant after 16 pages but anyway - the gambling script thing is where this fairy tale should have ended. There is no such thing as a winning script, and even if there is some sort of a hack/cheat - you're basically robbing a gambling site just by testing the script. It takes a staggering amount of naiveté (I'm gonna be generous here and assume that's what it is) to stake one's reputation on vouching for something like this.

That’s now offtopic here.  Thread split by OP.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/can-you-still-believe-atriz-words-reopened-too-many-open-questions-3038096
Issues got mixed up from the beginning; I urged to refocus:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.31276141

P.S., suchmoon—sorry about that merit you gave to adjust to 69, plus some wastes of fine wit.
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So what's the verdict? Forum's favorite camgirl turned scamgirl?

One thing that I want to point out - and it's obviously quite redundant after 16 pages but anyway - the gambling script thing is where this fairy tale should have ended. There is no such thing as a winning script, and even if there is some sort of a hack/cheat - you're basically robbing a gambling site just by testing the script. It takes a staggering amount of naiveté (I'm gonna be generous here and assume that's what it is) to stake one's reputation on vouching for something like this.
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[This was written earlier, in a text editor as usual, just as the thread was being locked.  Now, I can post it..]

The reason for which I needed to check Alia’s trust page:

I have handled >10 BTC without my iTcHy sCaMmEr hAnDs making a grab for them.

Says who?

Can you get even one credible person to attest that you handled >10BTC for them?  I don’t see it on your trust page.

Since your wording was vague as to whether you say you handled >10 BTC in one transanction, or >10 BTC altogether over time, I also don’t see feedback in amounts high enough to add up to “>10 BTC” except over a very long period if time.  I see 0.01 BTC here, 0.05 BTC there...

...and then there’s a 0.31 BTC feedback from #1472267 “Bigraz”, a Newbie-ranked account (29 activity) created 2017-12-19, whose entire post history (save two altcoin posts) is a litany of posting in loan threads—many (more than half?) in Alia loan threads.

So... who says you have handled >10 BTC?  You?  It is not a rhetorical question.  I am asking you, Alia.
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Atriz probably doesn’t care about that sort of money

Well, he was shilling for a gambling script until the scammer behind it was exposed and taking out loans as small as 0.1 BTC.  If that doesn't scream warning signals, I don't know what would.
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I notice this thread last night and while I did find it this thread to be very interesting, I want to ask clarification about alia "brother".

Why did your "brother" offer a "hot girl vid/pic service" claiming to be a 18 year old girl if hes not a girl, and not 18? (http://archive.is/tt836#selection-6289.0-6321.15) I honestly do not really buy the whole "brother" thing but if it is proven to be true that you have a brother and you two arent actors on skype (assuming someone would go that length to validate anything, which I doubt), then would that also prove that your "brother" is a scammer? I just find it a bit odd that
favours would claim to be a girl but youre stating hes your brother.

Lol. So Alia’s brother was lying about his identity also, and alia says that there has been no wrongdoings.

I doubt a Skype call would work at all. If there were people that actually watched your cam model on video then it means that you’re going to continue to hire the same model in an attempt of “verifying yourself”.

Just refund atriz, if you ask anyone, you will not be legendary by the end of the term. Atriz probably doesn’t care about that sort of money but your attitude when you’re clearly exposed and there is tons of evidence somehow is that we have no proof? Wtf.
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I notice this thread last night and while I did find it this thread to be very interesting, I want to ask clarification about alia "brother".

Why did your "brother" offer a "hot girl vid/pic service" claiming to be a 18 year old girl if hes not a girl, and not 18? (http://archive.is/tt836#selection-6289.0-6321.15) I honestly do not really buy the whole "brother" thing but if it is proven to be true that you have a brother and you two arent actors on skype (assuming someone would go that length to validate anything, which I doubt), then would that also prove that your "brother" is a scammer? I just find it a bit odd that
favours would claim to be a girl but youre stating hes your brother.
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In addition, the same people claim that I just opened the thread to target them all, which is ridiculous. No, not only Lauda has claimed this, but also QS. The problem with the whole thing now is that they all seem to be under paranoia and any accusation that goes in their direction is seen as an attack on them.
I think you need a citation for this.

You're welcome!


I do not think it is related. I think it is relevant because of the user "aTriz". Read my thread. Wink
Well it seems your thread is another example of Lauda attempting to distract from serious allegations involving his friends and business partners. He came pretty close to being successful at derailing the thread, and probably would have if theymos had not looked into the incident.

Oh man. Both of you are suffering from persecutory delusions. I give a shit on you and also on Lauda. The only thing you both do all day is to blame you. Like little kids. My God, grow up. Both of you should leave your house more to enjoy your life. Which adult person has "enemies" on the internet? You do not need to answer my question at all. I will not discuss with you or with anyone else about your toddler disputes.  Roll Eyes


I think this thread has done its job and exposed a scammer. Luckily, before the scammer could scam others! I will lock this thread. I have opened another thread regarding the actions of aTriz.
Can you still believe aTriz words?



EDIT:
Unlocked.
  Roll Eyes
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You're posting this as if it is some new revelation which I did not intend for people to see. You're also posting this as if it being positive, negative or neutral makes any difference whatsoever to my trust score. *yawn*
The difference is that leaving yourself positive trust is highly not done on this forum. Many people use trust to confirm their own alt-accounts (I did it too), but this trust should be neutral, not positive.

Well, this was something I didn't know of. My bad. I'll change it immediately. Thanks for informing
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You're posting this as if it is some new revelation which I did not intend for people to see. You're also posting this as if it being positive, negative or neutral makes any difference whatsoever to my trust score. *yawn*
The difference is that leaving yourself positive trust is highly not done on this forum. Many people use trust to confirm their own alt-accounts (I did it too), but this trust should be neutral, not positive.
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Side note:  Whilst preparing another post, I noticed this:  On the trust page for #1764044 “alia”, some new positive feedback!

Positive feedback from #1892451 “alia_alt” to #1764044 “alia”
Date: 2018-02-28
Risked BTC amount: 0.00000000

Quote from: alia_alt
This is alia, posting here to clarify some stuff on my trust page. All negative trusts against me as of today are ALLEGATIONS and SPECULATIONS. Words such as "alleged" have been used. A scam has not occurred. Do not blindly trust ratings, and use escrow with every deal

Yes, a positive.  Not a neutral.

I took a screenshot, but can’t be bothered to upload it right now.  (A hassle, because imgur blocks uploads from Tor.)

Back to preparing the post for which I needed to review Alia’s trust summary...

You're posting this as if it is some new revelation which I did not intend for people to see. You're also posting this as if it being positive, negative or neutral makes any difference whatsoever to my trust score. *yawn*

No, I’m posting this as if you were just talking about how trustworthy you were—which you were—and also, as if you had just recently upthread alleged yourself to have sent positive feedback from your alleged brother’s account to yours—which you didand also, as if you were told that sending yourself positive feedback is wrong, and you brushed it off as an isolated incidence—which you did...

Sending myself positive feedback as someone else is unethical. Sending myself positive feedback, or feedback of any sort, as myself, is perfectly okay
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Side note:  Whilst preparing another post, I noticed this:  On the trust page for #1764044 “alia”, some new positive feedback!

Positive feedback from #1892451 “alia_alt” to #1764044 “alia”
Date: 2018-02-28
Risked BTC amount: 0.00000000

Quote from: alia_alt
This is alia, posting here to clarify some stuff on my trust page. All negative trusts against me as of today are ALLEGATIONS and SPECULATIONS. Words such as "alleged" have been used. A scam has not occurred. Do not blindly trust ratings, and use escrow with every deal

Yes, a positive.  Not a neutral.

I took a screenshot, but can’t be bothered to upload it right now.  (A hassle, because imgur blocks uploads from Tor.)

Back to preparing the post for which I needed to review Alia’s trust summary...

You're posting this as if it is some new revelation which I did not intend for people to see. You're also posting this as if it being positive, negative or neutral makes any difference whatsoever to my trust score. *yawn*

No, I’m posting this as if you were just talking about how trustworthy you were—which you were—and also, as if you had just recently upthread alleged yourself to have sent positive feedback from your alleged brother’s account to yours—which you didand also, as if you were told that sending yourself positive feedback is wrong, and you brushed it off as an isolated incidence—which you were, and which you did...
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Side note:  Whilst preparing another post, I noticed this:  On the trust page for #1764044 “alia”, some new positive feedback!

Positive feedback from #1892451 “alia_alt” to #1764044 “alia”
Date: 2018-02-28
Risked BTC amount: 0.00000000

Quote from: alia_alt
This is alia, posting here to clarify some stuff on my trust page. All negative trusts against me as of today are ALLEGATIONS and SPECULATIONS. Words such as "alleged" have been used. A scam has not occurred. Do not blindly trust ratings, and use escrow with every deal

Yes, a positive.  Not a neutral.

I took a screenshot, but can’t be bothered to upload it right now.  (A hassle, because imgur blocks uploads from Tor.)

Back to preparing the post for which I needed to review Alia’s trust summary...

You're posting this as if it is some new revelation which I did not intend for people to see. You're also posting this as if it being positive, negative or neutral makes any difference whatsoever to my trust score. *yawn*
copper member
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If you don’t do PGP, you don’t do crypto!
Side note:  Whilst preparing another post, I noticed this:  On the trust page for #1764044 “alia”, some new positive feedback!

Positive feedback from #1892451 “alia_alt” to #1764044 “alia”
Date: 2018-02-28
Risked BTC amount: 0.00000000

Quote from: alia_alt
This is alia, posting here to clarify some stuff on my trust page. All negative trusts against me as of today are ALLEGATIONS and SPECULATIONS. Words such as "alleged" have been used. A scam has not occurred. Do not blindly trust ratings, and use escrow with every deal

Yes, a positive.  Not a neutral.

I took a screenshot, but can’t be bothered to upload it right now.  (A hassle, because imgur blocks uploads from Tor.)

Back to preparing the post for which I needed to review Alia’s trust summary...
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You like to deal in absolutes

Confirmed that Nullius = Sith Lord.

Oh man, if people keep posting shit that makes me laugh I'm going to run out of sMerit in this thread alone.
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You like to deal in absolutes

Confirmed that Nullius = Sith Lord.
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Too bad for you, that ship sailed when Dave said he didn’t know you.  “My standards” means that to satisfy my conscience, I do not need to examine massive piles of evidence on many different charges (as I would for red-tags).  It only means I need to catch you in one significant lie.  Whereupon I adhere the ancient and timeless principle:

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

False in one thing, false in everything.

Pretty good point, I guess. A crime is a crime. Stealing a candy bar is equal to murder. Today you lost not only a friend but a heart

Nice attempt to seize the moral high ground in what counts for “moral high ground” in today’s cesspit of a world.  Also, nice attempt to minimize the fact that you were trying to scam people by claiming to know Dave from “the best” “wallet recovery service” IRL.  I nailed you hard on that, right here in this thread.  Is that what you would consider a minor infraction?  Or what you yourself purport about leaving yourself positive trust feedback via your alleged brother’s account?  (I red-tag people for that without a second thought!)  Or, for that matter, stealing a candy bar?  Are you one of those people who pretends that shoplifting be inconsequential, a kind of a joke?

Anyway, have you heard of Draco?  He lends his name to the word draconian.  I admire him.

As to trust, dishonesty, and lies specifically, I linked this upthread:

There are so very many two-legged creatures on this Earth who are for some reason deemed “people”.  If any of them violates my trust, why should I ever grant second chances?  There are too many others out there who are potentially untrustworthy, and too few who are actually trustworthy.  I will never have an opportunity to give a first chance to more than a negligible fraction of all those people.  Why waste my time with anybody who has proved untrustworthy even once?

More generally, I grant neither mercy nor forgiveness to people who did things they knew or should have known were wrong.  Those are not accounted virtues in my religion.  Here apropos, I still remember people whom I know to have cheated in school as teenagers.  I would not trust them in business, even decades later.  They were inferior in character then, and will be now.  I will instead try trusting people who never cheated on school tests.  There are plenty enough who, at least, where never that dishonest.

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Here apropos, I still remember people whom I know to have cheated in school as teenagers.  I would not trust them in business, even decades later.

This sums it up. I may have looked at my friend's test in the 5th grade and copied a word or two, but I have handled >10 BTC without my iTcHy sCaMmEr hAnDs making a grab for them. It is possible that one wrongdoing is less serious than another. You like to deal in absolutes, unfortunately the world is not always black and white

And exchanges that turned out to be a scam handled thousands of bitcoins before stealing any of them. It means nothing that you haven't stolen 10 bitcoins if your plans are to steal more, not saying you are.

Very good point. And that is why, regardless of my intentions, I encourage every user to use escrow with me. That way, there can never be a scam, even if 10,000 bitcoins are involved.
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Too bad for you, that ship sailed when Dave said he didn’t know you.  “My standards” means that to satisfy my conscience, I do not need to examine massive piles of evidence on many different charges (as I would for red-tags).  It only means I need to catch you in one significant lie.  Whereupon I adhere the ancient and timeless principle:

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

False in one thing, false in everything.

Pretty good point, I guess. A crime is a crime. Stealing a candy bar is equal to murder. Today you lost not only a friend but a heart

Nice attempt to seize the moral high ground in what counts for “moral high ground” in today’s cesspit of a world.  Also, nice attempt to minimize the fact that you were trying to scam people by claiming to know Dave from “the best” “wallet recovery service” IRL.  I nailed you hard on that, right here in this thread.  Is that what you would consider a minor infraction?  Or what you yourself purport about leaving yourself positive trust feedback via your alleged brother’s account?  (I red-tag people for that without a second thought!)  Or, for that matter, stealing a candy bar?  Are you one of those people who pretends that shoplifting be inconsequential, a kind of a joke?

Anyway, have you heard of Draco?  He lends his name to the word draconian.  I admire him.

As to trust, dishonesty, and lies specifically, I linked this upthread:

There are so very many two-legged creatures on this Earth who are for some reason deemed “people”.  If any of them violates my trust, why should I ever grant second chances?  There are too many others out there who are potentially untrustworthy, and too few who are actually trustworthy.  I will never have an opportunity to give a first chance to more than a negligible fraction of all those people.  Why waste my time with anybody who has proved untrustworthy even once?

More generally, I grant neither mercy nor forgiveness to people who did things they knew or should have known were wrong.  Those are not accounted virtues in my religion.  Here apropos, I still remember people whom I know to have cheated in school as teenagers.  I would not trust them in business, even decades later.  They were inferior in character then, and will be now.  I will instead try trusting people who never cheated on school tests.  There are plenty enough who, at least, where never that dishonest.

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Here apropos, I still remember people whom I know to have cheated in school as teenagers.  I would not trust them in business, even decades later.

This sums it up. I may have looked at my friend's test in the 5th grade and copied a word or two, but I have handled >10 BTC without my iTcHy sCaMmEr hAnDs making a grab for them. It is possible that one wrongdoing is less serious than another. You like to deal in absolutes, unfortunately the world is not always black and white

And exchanges that turned out to be a scam handled thousands of bitcoins before stealing any of them. It means nothing that you haven't stolen 10 bitcoins if your plans are to steal more, not saying you are.
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Too bad for you, that ship sailed when Dave said he didn’t know you.  “My standards” means that to satisfy my conscience, I do not need to examine massive piles of evidence on many different charges (as I would for red-tags).  It only means I need to catch you in one significant lie.  Whereupon I adhere the ancient and timeless principle:

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

False in one thing, false in everything.

Pretty good point, I guess. A crime is a crime. Stealing a candy bar is equal to murder. Today you lost not only a friend but a heart

Nice attempt to seize the moral high ground in what counts for “moral high ground” in today’s cesspit of a world.  Also, nice attempt to minimize the fact that you were trying to scam people by claiming to know Dave from “the best” “wallet recovery service” IRL.  I nailed you hard on that, right here in this thread.  Is that what you would consider a minor infraction?  Or what you yourself purport about leaving yourself positive trust feedback via your alleged brother’s account?  (I red-tag people for that without a second thought!)  Or, for that matter, stealing a candy bar?  Are you one of those people who pretends that shoplifting be inconsequential, a kind of a joke?

Anyway, have you heard of Draco?  He lends his name to the word draconian.  I admire him.

As to trust, dishonesty, and lies specifically, I linked this upthread:

There are so very many two-legged creatures on this Earth who are for some reason deemed “people”.  If any of them violates my trust, why should I ever grant second chances?  There are too many others out there who are potentially untrustworthy, and too few who are actually trustworthy.  I will never have an opportunity to give a first chance to more than a negligible fraction of all those people.  Why waste my time with anybody who has proved untrustworthy even once?

More generally, I grant neither mercy nor forgiveness to people who did things they knew or should have known were wrong.  Those are not accounted virtues in my religion.  Here apropos, I still remember people whom I know to have cheated in school as teenagers.  I would not trust them in business, even decades later.  They were inferior in character then, and will be now.  I will instead try trusting people who never cheated on school tests.  There are plenty enough who, at least, where never that dishonest.

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Here apropos, I still remember people whom I know to have cheated in school as teenagers.  I would not trust them in business, even decades later.

This sums it up. I may have looked at my friend's test in the 5th grade and copied a word or two, but I have handled >10 BTC without my iTcHy sCaMmEr hAnDs making a grab for them. It is possible that one wrongdoing is less serious than another. You like to deal in absolutes, unfortunately the world is not always black and white
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Too bad for you, that ship sailed when Dave said he didn’t know you.  “My standards” means that to satisfy my conscience, I do not need to examine massive piles of evidence on many different charges (as I would for red-tags).  It only means I need to catch you in one significant lie.  Whereupon I adhere the ancient and timeless principle:

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

False in one thing, false in everything.

Pretty good point, I guess. A crime is a crime. Stealing a candy bar is equal to murder. Today you lost not only a friend but a heart

Nice attempt to seize the moral high ground in what counts for “moral high ground” in today’s cesspit of a world.  Also, nice attempt to minimize the fact that you were trying to scam people by claiming that you knew Dave from “the best” “wallet recovery service” IRL.  I nailed you hard on that, right here in this thread.  Is that what you would consider a minor infraction?  Or what you yourself purport about leaving yourself positive trust feedback via your alleged brother’s account?  (I red-tag people for that without a second thought!)  Or, for that matter, stealing a candy bar?  Are you one of those people who pretends that shoplifting be inconsequential, a kind of a joke?

Anyway, have you heard of Draco?  He lends his name to the word draconian.  I admire him.

As to trust, dishonesty, and lies specifically, I linked this upthread:

There are so very many two-legged creatures on this Earth who are for some reason deemed “people”.  If any of them violates my trust, why should I ever grant second chances?  There are too many others out there who are potentially untrustworthy, and too few who are actually trustworthy.  I will never have an opportunity to give a first chance to more than a negligible fraction of all those people.  Why waste my time with anybody who has proved untrustworthy even once?

More generally, I grant neither mercy nor forgiveness to people who did things they knew or should have known were wrong.  Those are not accounted virtues in my religion.  Here apropos, I still remember people whom I know to have cheated in school as teenagers.  I would not trust them in business, even decades later.  They were inferior in character then, and will be now.  I will instead try trusting people who never cheated on school tests.  There are plenty enough who, at least, where never that dishonest.

Yes, cheating in school earns from me a personal red tag, even decades later.
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@actmyname, forum samurai!

Most of the non-virgins have figured out that I am a girl, mainly because they don't think that having a RL LIFE GRILL talkin to them is that outlandish.

Ah, the classic must be virgins attack. Nice. Next up basement dwellers in their mum's house. And it's pretty outlandish on this forum. It's just a shame that 99% of the people who claim to be women here aren't and are just trying to scam in some capacity.

Actually, it is tumescent males “thinking with the little head” who are most vulnerable to online sex scams.  Those would be the most likely to swear up and down that any of the cases you have described in this thread were genuine.

For my part—those just joining this thread should be aware that I stated way back in its early pages:  I never saw an Alia cam show or got any pictures sent to me, despite having been under the impression that I could have such things for free.  I intended to, at some point—more as a part of getting to know my lovely camgirl than as wank material.  It just didn’t seem a priority.  I wanted to talk—which I think I did too much of; and I wanted to listen, though she didn’t seem to talk enough.  (FYI also, if/when I seek satisfaction, I can oftentimes be more pleased with pure cybersex—text only, terminal-friendly.)


You're safe there, I have no intention of blackmailing you with anythin you told me. I still have immense respect and a bit of love for you, but in the future, be careful with how you deal with people you deem "scammers", because you may just be raggin on an innocent.

So, you discovered my one weak point:  My deeply-rooted conscionable drive to avoid hurting anybody innocent.  Only, it is not a weak point at all; for it requires actual innocence, a thing which cannot be scammed, manufactured, or exploited.

I tell you:  If you could prove to me to my own independent standards that you are 100% telling the truth, then I would defend you even if every other person on this forum turned against me.  Even if theymos banned me!  I have been in situations where I stood alone against numerous people, in moral opposition.  I am fully capable of it.

Too bad for you, that ship sailed when Dave said he didn’t know you.  “My standards” means that to satisfy my conscience, I do not need to examine massive piles of evidence on many different charges (as I would for red-tags).  It only means I need to catch you in one significant lie.  Whereupon I adhere the ancient and timeless principle:

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

False in one thing, false in everything.

Pretty good point, I guess. A crime is a crime. Stealing a candy bar is equal to murder. Today you lost not only a friend but a heart

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