Topic: Evolution is a hoax - page 182. (Read 108046 times)

You are so good! Now say the rest of it. Start with no natural selection (Gotta be sentient to select.).

Finish with... come on, say it... GGGGG... OOOOO... DDDDD.

You have no idea what you are talking about. The earth is not sentient therefore it can't be smarter than anything.

If DNA is made by the earth, then the earth is smarter than scientists. Why? Because scientists can't make DNA, even though they might be close.

So, why do you keep on talking? You aren't even close. The scientists who barely know a tiny bit of what is going on, can't quite really make DNA. You know nothing.

Get lost. Oh wait. You are lost already. Get "loster."

A little bit off topic here.

The dictionary definition says it was God. Anybody or anything strong enough to make the universe through cause and effect, matches the strength that the dictionaries and encyclopedias say that God has.

Do you want a different word than "God?" Check out the other languages. "Allah" doesn't even sound like "God." But the meaning when translated is still God.

Everything is recycled sooner or latter if god wants

Prophet Abraham’s story with the birds is one of the most turned to stories in the Quran. The theme it evokes touches the soul of all of us who seek a kind of reassurance that satisfies our natural desires for both belief and proof. The Prophet Abraham (Ibrahim) asks: “My Lord, show me how You give life to the dead.” He said, “Do you not believe?” He said, “I do! But this is so my heart may be calm.” He said, “Then take four birds and draw them to you. Then place a part of them on each mountain. Then call them; they shall come to you in a rush. And know that indeed Allah is overpowering, all-wise” (Quran, 2:260).

And dna is made by who ..By the EARTH and you program it..

Imagine the earth makes a living computer chip BUT the living thing needs to program it..

So the earth made DNA for you to program your children ..
But just like a blockchain  you have to fill it with programs

But the blockchain as an operation already programmed in it before you add more..

Just like living things are programmed to eat and produce the rest of the programming needs to be done by you to pass on to your children..And that's DNA a living human program ..

Who is the programmer the EARTH..1 big living ORGANISM  ..

So now you know this RECYCLE YOUR PLASTIC DUDE ..

And dna is made by who ?   it just poped there with science which is unable to understand it ?  

If you know about chemistry, you know plastic is "organic chemistry". ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organic_synthesis ).

It's made with petroleum.

It's just some biological waste put together in a baking thing.

It's only partially man made.

Without this biologic waste in petroleum, we dont know how to do plastic from scratch.

And the molecules involved with plastic is still very simple compared to dna, or most proteines.

And it require minimum 200 different proteines to come up with the most simple bacteria.

There 200 times more chance for a fridge to build itself up from petroleum than a bacteria.

Did you ever see a fridge building itself up from your car's oil tank ? Me neither.

And petroleum is already organic waste more advanced than simple molecule youd expect to find on a new planet.

But of course it's perfectly sane and scientific to think something 200 times more complex could build itself up like this.
 
There is more chance to do a sybil attack on the whole btc blockchain with your cell phone.

The fridge evolved .. Who made the plastic for the fridge ?..

So because of my scientific observation i know plastic was made from humans so i know the earth made humans so now i know a human MUST of put it there ..

Alexander Parkes (29 December 1813 – 29 June 1890) was a metallurgist and inventor from Birmingham, England. He created Parkesine, the first man-made plastic...

So now i know a human MUST of put it there BUT and WHEN is another MATTER ..
So know i test the ROCKS and the surrounding area with SCIENCE FACTS and use SCIENCE THEORIES to come up with some sort of answer..

BUT i KNOW A HUMAN PUT IT THERE...Because plastic is man made ..

Its a bit like the plot in starcraft 2 legacy of the void with the xelnaga but I didn't finish it yet  


http://starcraft.wikia.com/wiki/Xel%27naga

"The xel'naga were the first, born within the Void. Their sacred purpose was to cultivate life and perpetuate the Infinite Cycle."
- Hierarch Artanis(src)

Originating from the Void,[8] the xel'naga were incredibly long-lived even by protoss standards, but not immortal; eventually their species would come to an end. In the interest of survival they planned to create new xel'naga by uplifting two species. A pair of qualities was required and these were defined by the xel'naga as purity of essence and purity of form, and each uplifted species would be targeted for one of them. Over an extraordinarily long period of time, the two species would naturally come together and merge, forming the next generation of xel'naga and beginning the cycle anew.[9]

The Infinite Cycle
The cycle was repeated in numerous universes; at the start of a universe's creation, the xel'naga would take on physical form and enter the universe, seeding it with life.[8] The cycle repeated so many times that time itself was affected by it.[5]

Maybe aliens planted the seed here, but don't know where they came from either. Then we're back at point 1 again.

2 might imply there are some place in the universe where life formation can be explained by simple physics, due to some particular conditions.

We still have to find such place.

What is the difference between 1 and 2?

Most of scientist today come to this same conclusion.

Either

1. There is a force at play that we dont understand ( forget about thermodynamics ) , maybe it's too subtle for us to really see it, like relativity is almost invisible at our scale. Call it god, tao, dharma, newton of the blade of grass, monad, or whatever.

2. There are intelligent being who created life on earth millions years ago.


There is not really a way to explain evolution and life dynamic with bare newton or classic mechanics.

And anything based on Metaphysics/entelechy is logical dead end. All metaphysics when pushed lead to some form of monism. Or to a force beyond objects. It took 1500 years to the arab to swallow aristotle and make it monotheist, but al jabir did it. And liebniz finished the job. (https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/metaphysics/#BeiSucFirCauUncThi ).

Neurology of "higher consciousness" tend to show this too. Otherwise there would be no evolutionary interest to neural plasticity. We would just have a dictionary of all objects prebuilt in our brains.

Atheism as a form of Aristotelian metaphysics or naturalism is actually illogical / irrational.

Metaphysics is always arbitrary, and defender of philosophy or science based on this are always defending oligarchy.

http://wiki.c2.com/?ThereAreNoTypes  

It's why google non determinist algorithm are more efficient than things based on preterdemined ontologies.


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How do you know it was god

The evolution that you talk about is part of evolution theory. There is evolution within evolution theory, and there is evolution outside of evolution theory. They are different kinds of evolution.

Evolution outside of evolution theory is simply change with a fancier word.

Evolution within evolution theory is science fiction, because it doesn't exist outside of evolution theory.

The most simple, easy way to show that evolution inside evolution theory doesn't work outside of it, is to look at cause and effect. Natural selection doesn't exist in reality. Cause and effect dictates everything, and it operates according to the physics of the universe. In addition, this is common knowledge with all scientists, including evolution scientists.

The only selection that occurred was the selection that God made when He set cause and effect in place, and started it moving.

If you had 1% of this rigor when talking about religion you could almost look intelectually honest.

But unfortunately you never opened a bible of your life. And make cheap judgment on people who read it none the less.

What is Life?: How Chemistry Becomes Biology
By Addy Pross




Just some perpective to illustrate what can be meant by "low probability" and how "astonishing" it is to think life which is orders of magnitude more complex than a fridge would just popup like this out of the "primordial soup".

Not saying it's impossible, but just to weight the complexity and low probability of it.

Today people seem to have fascination for iPhone, consider google genius ( only using the tablet for a few week I want to hang à few of them),  but find it totally normal and natural that form of life popup like this with some natural chemistry. Kinda cognitive dissonance full throttle.


For me it still very basic metaphysics, and rather classic take on thermodynamics, he is not getting too wet on this one, but it already show something.


https://aeon.co/essays/paradoxes-of-stability-how-life-began-and-why-it-can-t-rest

The second insight is even more momentous. Evolution exhibits an identifiable driving force, a direction if you like, and this ‘teleological’ tendency acts at both the chemical and biological stages; that is, it operates both during, as well as after, what we think of as abiogenesis. Thus the purpose-driven character of life, the very thing that seemed to distinguish biology from the rest of nature, turns out not to be unique to life after all. Its beginnings are already discernible in certain inanimate syrstems, provided they are replicative and able to evolve. And this driving force can be described in strictly physical terms.

Since you like definitions: Evolution is change in the heritable characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.[1][2] Evolutionary processes give rise to biodiversity at every level of biological organisation, including the levels of species, individual organisms, and molecules.

The evolution that is impossible is the string of changes that it takes to go from inanimate material, to life, to life as we know it today (prove it)

Well, of course that isn't all that there is in evolution. Bit abiogenesis is part of evolution. At least there are many evolutionists that say so. Perhaps you should write a book that corrects them, hey? I mean, evolution is your science fiction religion that you got hoaxed into. You might as well make your religion up how you like it, right.

The problem is that evolution is not the theory of how life came into existence so your whole argument is just wrong. I already told you this a few times but you ignore it, as usual.