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Quote from: popcorn1 on July 20, 2017, 03:49:43 PM

maybe you should start by reading the bible..Waste of time Wink

Yes it's much quicker to talk out of your ass making generality about something you know nothing about. Very scientific.

If you dont want to take the time to read it, then dont waste your time trying to pretend you have any clue of what it's about.

Know enough to know it's all about control.. Wink

No ? go and ask the children who's vicar stuck his fingers up their BUTT HOLES..

Controlled his fingers right up their asses ..
UK so religion to me is like water it's everywhere Grin

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Religion is another form of father Christmas ...Bullshit stories ..

It's not the truth lol

I already been in court to send pedo to jail, he was not catholic or Christian.

Dont instrumentalize victim to make your point, that will get you nowhere. Not even showing respect to the victims, like if you gave a shit about them outside of making your point.

Bullshit is everywhere, true religion, much less.

If you think human are just like a thermostat controlled with a thunder, that show how little you know about anything lol

Hell is not central topic in the bible. Neither is satan. Satan is barely mentioned a few times.

It's not really what bible is about.

But of course you already know enough without even knowing anything about it.

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Quote from: IadixDev on July 20, 2017, 03:57:08 PM

Quote from: popcorn1 on July 20, 2017, 03:49:43 PM

maybe you should start by reading the bible..Waste of time Wink

Yes it's much quicker to talk out of your ass making generality about something you know nothing about. Very scientific.

If you dont want to take the time to read it, then dont waste your time trying to pretend you have any clue of what it's about.

Know enough to know it's all about control.. Wink

No ? go and ask the children who's vicar stuck his fingers up their BUTT HOLES..

Controlled his fingers right up their asses ..
UK so religion to me is like water it's everywhere Grin

..

Religion is another form of father Christmas ...Bullshit stories ..

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Quote from: popcorn1 on July 20, 2017, 03:49:43 PM

Quote from: IadixDev on July 20, 2017, 03:39:15 PM

Ok you got the controller from engineering term.

So that mean evolution is engineering ?

And bible is like blue print to define human.

I guess that's the logical conclusion.

But maybe you should start by reading the bible actually, that would be a start instead of living in the conditioning without even opening it.

maybe you should start by reading the bible..Waste of time Wink

evolution is engineering Well sort of.. Wink

..

We have evolved to use SCIENCE our brains ..
Like imagine if we was cold we would evolve more hairs to keep us warm?..

Well not in the 21ST CENTURY we have evolved BRAINS and now instead of growing hairs to evolve
we would use our brains and invent something to keep us warm so no need to grow hairs anymore..

And now we use EVOLUTION SCIENCE ..We evolved to use SCIENCE to make us live on..

HUMAN SEED PODS..Made by the earth to carry on LIFE..

SCIENCE IS THE KEY TO LIFE..

Our brains have evolved to use SCIENCE for our ADVANTAGE ..

Science is part of EVOLUTION..Evolution is part of science..

And where does science come from already ?

Fire was not invented in a 21th lab by academicians lol

If it was for them we would still be debating in our cave in the dark lol

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Quote from: popcorn1 on July 20, 2017, 03:49:43 PM

maybe you should start by reading the bible..Waste of time Wink

Yes it's much quicker to talk out of your ass making generality about something you know nothing about. Very scientific.

If you dont want to take the time to read it, then dont waste your time trying to pretend you have any clue of what it's about.

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Quote from: IadixDev on July 20, 2017, 03:39:15 PM

Ok you got the controller from engineering term.

So that mean evolution is engineering ?

And bible is like blue print to define human.

I guess that's the logical conclusion.

But maybe you should start by reading the bible actually, that would be a start instead of living in the conditioning without even opening it.

maybe you should start by reading the bible..Waste of time Wink

evolution is engineering Well sort of.. Wink

..

We have evolved to use SCIENCE our brains ..
Like imagine if we was cold we would evolve more hairs to keep us warm?..

Well not in the 21ST CENTURY we have evolved BRAINS and now instead of growing hairs to evolve
we would use our brains and invent something to keep us warm so no need to grow hairs anymore..

And now we use EVOLUTION SCIENCE ..We evolved to use SCIENCE to make us live on..

HUMAN SEED PODS..Made by the earth to carry on LIFE..

SCIENCE IS THE KEY TO LIFE..

Our brains have evolved to use SCIENCE for our ADVANTAGE ..

Science is part of EVOLUTION..Evolution is part of science..

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Quote from: popcorn1 on July 20, 2017, 03:42:09 PM

The burning times: The Christian extermination ... - Religious tolerance
www.religioustolerance.org › Laws & religion › Genocide › Burning Times
The burning times: The Christian extermination of Witches and other heretics. ... or a tool of the common people to name scapegoats for spoiled crops, dead .

So guess what they burned you like god would ..

Religious CONTROL^^^^^..

My gran father was burning church in spain revolution you know

Technically im refugee from franco.

Catholic are not Christians.

And communist exterminated people too.

Even the french revolution exterminated catholic.

It's the nut job genocider contest ?

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The burning times: The Christian extermination ... - Religious tolerance
www.religioustolerance.org › Laws & religion › Genocide › Burning Times
The burning times: The Christian extermination of Witches and other heretics. ... or a tool of the common people to name scapegoats for spoiled crops, dead .

So guess what they burned you like god would ..

Religious CONTROL^^^^^..

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Ok you got the controller from engineering term.

So that mean evolution is engineering ?

And bible is like blue print to define human.

I guess that's the logical conclusion.

But maybe you should start by reading the bible actually, that would be a start instead of living in the conditioning without even opening it.

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Quote from: IadixDev on July 20, 2017, 02:47:01 PM

Quote from: popcorn1 on July 20, 2017, 01:40:13 PM

COSHH regulations..

Why coshh because you need CONTROL..

Temperature control is verifying the temperature, not changing it Cheesy

..You are BADECKER Wink

..
Come on Badecker own up it's you talking BULLSHIT again Cheesy

..

remote control is now a verifying control Cheesy

..

Without control plenty of forces will change without control..

COSHH regulations.
Temperature Control & Process Heating | RS Components
uk.rs-online.com › Home › Automation & Control Gear
Control your temperature more effectively and save energy bills at the same time with the RS Components range of temperature control and process heating products. You will find temperature controllers, electric heaters and transmitters as well as immersion heaters and halogen

Control Rods - Nuclear Power
www.nuclear-power.net/nuclear-power-plant/control-rods/
Control rods are used for maintaining the desired state of fission reactions within a nuclear reactor. The rods are an important safety system of nuclear reactors.

verifying rods ...

Tig Welding Steel and Controlling Heat Input - YouTube
Video for controlling heat rods▶ 12:54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmVCLi6cxok
1 Apr 2014 - Uploaded by weldingtipsandtricks
Tig Welding Steel and Controlling Heat Input .... the old icy-acetylene torch with fluxed brass or copper clad ..

See some of us WORK in the REAL WORLD ..

No fairy tales but WORK WORK WORK..

You are Badecker or his BROTHER ..

Religion is about CONTROL just like a thermostat ..

It's not good ethymologic use of the term.

But im not BADecker

Religion is not about "control" lol

If you think human are so easy to manipulate, that already say à lot about your own capacity of critical thinking

If religion is to be compared to something such as nucleair engineering, then it's science Or a linear system that allow predictible outcome.

It allow the same than science. Even better because science cant "control" people.

In real world, im not BADecker or his cousin, or anything.

But I already shown what the bible say on the topic, if it make too much cognitive dissonance for your brainwashing, I will let you at it lol

Have a good day of WORK WORK WORK thinking the whole internet is Badecker

Human are not computer or machines

Maybe you should take some vacation from WORK WORK WORK and meet some real human.

But ok control can be used in that sense too

It's not the original meaning, but ok by derivate not

Religion is not about "control" lol ...I thinks the POW WOW INDIANS would say different..

Then you are Badeckers long lost BROTHER from another mother ..

Controling something doesnt change it's state...< Your quote..
YOU said any control doesn't change it's STATE..

Now just like BIBLE FREAKS do you are switching your meaning ..

Religion is about controlling the state of your mind..YES or NO..

And if no WHY are you even reading the bible then.. ..

Control is about doing something you want done YOU ARE THE CONTROLLER ..

The bible is about CONTROL ..

God is the CONTROLLER YES or NO?..

HA HA that got you STUCK ..Is god the CONTROLLER ? ..

I dare you to say no .. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_KOpJ2bE3o

If religion is not about CONTROL why preach then ? What would be the point

If i preach something i am trying to change the way you BEHAVE ..Yes or no?

So preaching religion is about changing the way people behave ..Yes or No?

Now if i preach something and you change your behaviour i have controlled how you behaved..

YES or NO?..

It's not passive if you burn in hell for not doing as your bible told you to do is it?..

Why BURN IN HELL ..You said it's PASSIVE..

Religion is about control because if you don't do as the bible says you burn in hell..
PASSIVE CONTROL if you burn in hell for not doing as the bible tells you..

Now if it angers the bible for not following the bible rules I.E control why wont it anger it's followers?..

Well it says you will burn forever in FIRE.. <

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Re: Evolution is a hoax

July 20, 2017, 03:10:54 PM

#737

Quote from: Astargath on July 20, 2017, 03:03:40 PM
Quote from: BADecker on July 20, 2017, 03:02:30 PM
Quote from: popcorn1 on July 20, 2017, 02:42:39 PM
How did humans get here on EARTH..

1 we evolved because the EARTH made us this way..

2 Aliens some how put us here..

3 a man like being went ZAP and everything was so ..

Can only be 3 outcomes..

Imagine a germ flying through space lands on a rock I.E our earth and then we humans come along..

We still evolved from this planet because with the different weather patterns and environmental changes we evolved to look like what we are today..

With a different environment who knows we might look so much different ?..
Still might be humanoid but look so much different ..

So only can be 3 outcomes to how we come to be..

And 1 of the outcomes is called EVOLUTION THEORIES ..

How did we evolved on this planet = EVOLUTION ..

So now you can make your choice 1 2 OR 3 what is your choice ..

I choose the earth made us because of DNA proves the fact even more so..

1. Evolution is scientifically impossible.

2. Where did the aliens come from? Were they created or did they evolve? Remember, evolution is impossible.

3. We see that mankind can't make any living thing from something inanimate. Therefore, it can't be some manlike being.

God created all things, and made man, as well.

1.Prove it

2.They always existed like god

3.Abiogenesis

1. Simply Google many forms of "Is evolution impossible?" The results might have been talked around by evolutionists. But the the proofs that evolution is impossible have never been rebutted.

2. The vast complexity of the universe shows that if there were more than one being that created it, they were acting in such "tight" concert, that they were acting as one. One God.

3. Are you stating that man created abiogenesis? Man might have created the word "abiogenesis." But man never made actual abiogenesis work.

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Re: Evolution is a hoax

July 20, 2017, 03:05:59 PM

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Quote from: popcorn1 on July 20, 2017, 02:58:19 PM
The advent of genetics is the single most important thing to happen to the study of evolutionary biology since Darwin’s theory first appeared (with a respectful tip of the hat to Gregor Mendel and his discovery of the fundamental laws of inheritance). Because DNA is universal to all life, its presence strongly suggests that all creatures on Earth evolved from a common ancestor.

It also explains how the proliferation of genetic mutations (essentially copy errors), combined with the processes of natural selection, enables evolution to happen. Ultimately, DNA is the engine that drives evolution. It’s an elegant—sometimes brutal—process that doesn’t require a guiding hand. Natural selection is a wholly autonomous process, thus earning it the moniker of “God killer.”

So far, the best explanation for the ancestor of all people, is shown through mitochondria DNA research. This research shows that all people came from the same woman something like 7,000 - 10,000 years ago. So far, no other mitochondria DNA that we have found connects people to any other creature.

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Re: Evolution is a hoax

July 20, 2017, 03:03:40 PM

#735

Quote from: BADecker on July 20, 2017, 03:02:30 PM
Quote from: popcorn1 on July 20, 2017, 02:42:39 PM
How did humans get here on EARTH..

1 we evolved because the EARTH made us this way..

2 Aliens some how put us here..

3 a man like being went ZAP and everything was so ..

Can only be 3 outcomes..

Imagine a germ flying through space lands on a rock I.E our earth and then we humans come along..

We still evolved from this planet because with the different weather patterns and environmental changes we evolved to look like what we are today..

With a different environment who knows we might look so much different ?..
Still might be humanoid but look so much different ..

So only can be 3 outcomes to how we come to be..

And 1 of the outcomes is called EVOLUTION THEORIES ..

How did we evolved on this planet = EVOLUTION ..

So now you can make your choice 1 2 OR 3 what is your choice ..

I choose the earth made us because of DNA proves the fact even more so..

1. Evolution is scientifically impossible.

2. Where did the aliens come from? Were they created or did they evolve? Remember, evolution is impossible.

3. We see that mankind can't make any living thing from something inanimate. Therefore, it can't be some manlike being.

God created all things, and made man, as well.

1.Prove it

2.They always existed like god

3.Abiogenesis

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Re: Evolution is a hoax

July 20, 2017, 03:02:30 PM

#734

Quote from: popcorn1 on July 20, 2017, 02:42:39 PM
How did humans get here on EARTH..

1 we evolved because the EARTH made us this way..

2 Aliens some how put us here..

3 a man like being went ZAP and everything was so ..

Can only be 3 outcomes..

Imagine a germ flying through space lands on a rock I.E our earth and then we humans come along..

We still evolved from this planet because with the different weather patterns and environmental changes we evolved to look like what we are today..

With a different environment who knows we might look so much different ?..
Still might be humanoid but look so much different ..

So only can be 3 outcomes to how we come to be..

And 1 of the outcomes is called EVOLUTION THEORIES ..

How did we evolved on this planet = EVOLUTION ..

So now you can make your choice 1 2 OR 3 what is your choice ..

I choose the earth made us because of DNA proves the fact even more so..

1. Evolution is scientifically impossible.

2. Where did the aliens come from? Were they created or did they evolve? Remember, evolution is impossible.

3. We see that mankind can't make any living thing from something inanimate. Therefore, it can't be some manlike being.

God created all things, and made man, as well.

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Re: Evolution is a hoax

July 20, 2017, 02:58:19 PM

#733

The advent of genetics is the single most important thing to happen to the study of evolutionary biology since Darwin’s theory first appeared (with a respectful tip of the hat to Gregor Mendel and his discovery of the fundamental laws of inheritance). Because DNA is universal to all life, its presence strongly suggests that all creatures on Earth evolved from a common ancestor.

It also explains how the proliferation of genetic mutations (essentially copy errors), combined with the processes of natural selection, enables evolution to happen. Ultimately, DNA is the engine that drives evolution. It’s an elegant—sometimes brutal—process that doesn’t require a guiding hand. Natural selection is a wholly autonomous process, thus earning it the moniker of “God killer.”

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Re: Evolution is a hoax

July 20, 2017, 02:57:59 PM

#732

Quote from: AbbyS on July 20, 2017, 02:39:20 PM
If you put religion aside,
think about it ... would it be so strange that a fish starts crawling,
we are talking about 1 fish, we are talking about the descendants of this fish,
would it be strange that the get more and more adapted to breathing air etc ...

Yes. This would be strange, religion or no religion.

Go to the waterways of the world. Look at any fish that is truly a fish. Nobody has seen a fish that is truly a fish suddenly start crawling, when none of its species have ever crawled before.

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Re: Evolution is a hoax

July 20, 2017, 02:47:01 PM

#731

Quote from: popcorn1 on July 20, 2017, 01:40:13 PM

COSHH regulations..

Why coshh because you need CONTROL..

Temperature control is verifying the temperature, not changing it ..You are BADECKER ..
Come on Badecker own up it's you talking BULLSHIT again ..

remote control is now a verifying control ..

Without control plenty of forces will change without control..

COSHH regulations.
Temperature Control & Process Heating | RS Components
uk.rs-online.com › Home › Automation & Control Gear
Control your temperature more effectively and save energy bills at the same time with the RS Components range of temperature control and process heating products. You will find temperature controllers, electric heaters and transmitters as well as immersion heaters and halogen

Control Rods - Nuclear Power
www.nuclear-power.net/nuclear-power-plant/control-rods/
Control rods are used for maintaining the desired state of fission reactions within a nuclear reactor. The rods are an important safety system of nuclear reactors.

verifying rods ...

Tig Welding Steel and Controlling Heat Input - YouTube
Video for controlling heat rods▶ 12:54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmVCLi6cxok
1 Apr 2014 - Uploaded by weldingtipsandtricks
Tig Welding Steel and Controlling Heat Input .... the old icy-acetylene torch with fluxed brass or copper clad ..

See some of us WORK in the REAL WORLD ..

No fairy tales but WORK WORK WORK..

You are Badecker or his BROTHER ..

Religion is about CONTROL just like a thermostat ..

It's not good ethymologic use of the term.

But im not BADecker

Religion is not about "control" lol

If you think human are so easy to manipulate, that already say a lot about your own capacity of critical thinking

If religion is to be compared to something such as nucleair engineering, then it's science Or a linear system that allow predictible outcome.

It allow the same than science. Even better because science cant "control" people.

In real world, im not BADecker or his cousin, or anything.

But I already shown what the bible say on the topic, if it make too much cognitive dissonance for your brainwashing, I will let you at it lol

Have a good day of WORK WORK WORK thinking the whole internet is Badecker

Human are not computer or machines

Maybe you should take some vacation from WORK WORK WORK and meet some real human.

But ok control can be used in that sense too

It's not the original meaning, but ok by derivate it can mean this, maybe if you only communicate with machine it make you see the world à bit too much in a robotic maner.

But I assure you the real world is not limited to baddecker and the matrix you live in with the WORK WORK WORK.

But maybe you prefer to be an ant who only WORK WORK WORK. In that case that make sense that you think everything is about control.

Personally I prefer to go to the beach I can assure you it's real world to. Maybe you are to busy to WORK WORK WORK to know it idk.

Maybe you re so weak minded that you can do everything if someone tell you if you dont you will be hit by thunder. Maybe that's why you WORK WORK WORK.

Which of course has nothing to do with control. And anything that is not under control is not real. Or anyone who is not like in your WORK WORK WORK is baddecker. But im not psy either.

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Re: Evolution is a hoax

July 20, 2017, 02:42:39 PM

#730

How did humans get here on EARTH..

1 we evolved because the EARTH made us this way..

2 Aliens some how put us here..

3 a man like being went ZAP and everything was so ..

Can only be 3 outcomes..

Imagine a germ flying through space lands on a rock I.E our earth and then we humans come along..

We still evolved from this planet because with the different weather patterns and environmental changes we evolved to look like what we are today..

With a different environment who knows we might look so much different ?..
Still might be humanoid but look so much different ..

So only can be 3 outcomes to how we come to be..

And 1 of the outcomes is called EVOLUTION THEORIES ..

How did we evolved on this planet = EVOLUTION ..

So now you can make your choice 1 2 OR 3 what is your choice ..

I choose the earth made us because of DNA proves the fact even more so..

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Re: Evolution is a hoax

July 20, 2017, 02:40:29 PM

#729

Quote from: Astargath on July 20, 2017, 09:20:48 AM
Quote from: IadixDev on July 20, 2017, 05:50:51 AM
It's just a bit the cognitive dissonance in one side if a belief allow to predict something then it's useful science.

But then religion allow to predict the outcome of a saying on the behavior of "whole population" flawlessly, which science is totally unable to do.

If religion allow this, then you have your application and accurate prediction. Then it's science ?

Religion is just a book, it's doesnt do thunder, it doesnt punish people ..

Then if someone get into a reward / punishment sheme to accept a belief, it doesnt matter if there is proof or not, that's still conditioning ..

Can be done with science, and with anything else.

And if anything, in the bible it's more the story of babel tower.

The bible say how Christians should deal with non Christian, and they dont say you just come with a whip to push the belief, on the contrary, if anything it advocate more socratic method.

I can quote many part of the bible that show this.

" But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort."

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms"

https://youtu.be/C_XARuatCK4

If anything they say love is more important than the righteousness

Then that there are nut job conditioning people or their children with punishment to make them accept Yes, that's called fascisme, the nazi did this, the communist did this, no need for religion lol

When has religion predicted or been applied to anything? In science, a prediction is a rigorous, often quantitative, statement, forecasting what would happen under specific conditions; for example, if an apple fell from a tree it would be attracted towards the center of the earth by gravity with a specified and constant acceleration. The scientific method is built on testing statements that are logical consequences of scientific theories. This is done through repeatable experiments or observational studies. It's not just predicting a war or vague predictions.

You are saying yourself it can "control population" that's your own saying, not mine

If it enable "control", that suppose prediction. .

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Re: Evolution is a hoax

July 20, 2017, 02:39:20 PM

#728

If you put religion aside,
think about it ... would it be so strange that a fish starts crawling,
we are talking about 1 fish, we are talking about the descendants of this fish,
would it be strange that the get more and more adapted to breathing air etc ...

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Re: Evolution is a hoax

July 20, 2017, 02:35:14 PM

#727

Quote from: Astargath on July 20, 2017, 09:20:48 AM
Quote from: IadixDev on July 20, 2017, 05:50:51 AM
It's just a bit the cognitive dissonance in one side if a belief allow to predict something then it's useful science.

But then religion allow to predict the outcome of a saying on the behavior of "whole population" flawlessly, which science is totally unable to do.

If religion allow this, then you have your application and accurate prediction. Then it's science ?

Religion is just a book, it's doesnt do thunder, it doesnt punish people ..

Then if someone get into a reward / punishment sheme to accept a belief, it doesnt matter if there is proof or not, that's still conditioning ..

Can be done with science, and with anything else.

And if anything, in the bible it's more the story of babel tower.

The bible say how Christians should deal with non Christian, and they dont say you just come with a whip to push the belief, on the contrary, if anything it advocate more socratic method.

I can quote many part of the bible that show this.

" But the one who prophesies speaks to people for their strengthening, encouraging and comfort."

"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms"

https://youtu.be/C_XARuatCK4

If anything they say love is more important than the righteousness

Then that there are nut job conditioning people or their children with punishment to make them accept Yes, that's called fascisme, the nazi did this, the communist did this, no need for religion lol

When has religion predicted or been applied to anything? In science, a prediction is a rigorous, often quantitative, statement, forecasting what would happen under specific conditions; for example, if an apple fell from a tree it would be attracted towards the center of the earth by gravity with a specified and constant acceleration. The scientific method is built on testing statements that are logical consequences of scientific theories. This is done through repeatable experiments or observational studies. It's not just predicting a war or vague predictions.

When has religion predicted or been applied to anything?

There are at least two basic answers.

1. Religion is full of prophesies. Bible religion has seen the fulfilling of multiple prophesies. The most important of these are the predictions that Jesus will come and provide salvation for all who believe in Him

2. The second is science. When science is believed to hold answers that have not been proven, science becomes a religion to those believers in it. Check especially #6 in the definition of religion - http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t.

One of the greatest religions of science is the evolution hoax. Since evolution has never been proven to exist, those who believe it to hold out hope for them, while distracting them from Jesus Bible religion that could save them, have a big hoax religion in science.

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