Topic: Evolution is a hoax - page 215. (Read 108173 times)
No one know what actually looks like the evolution unless there's a man who lives until now or reincarnation and remembered all what happens during the day and what really happens to human kind no ones who created everything as the scientist said it all created by science but how when they don't have a creator,
If anyone denies evolution, that someone does NOT understand evolution at all. There is no denying, evolution is merely change, you can talk about evolution and discuss it but denying it entirely it's just plain stupid.
There are hundreds of examples of evolution and it is supported by virtually every scientist, by different types of science like biology, paleontology, radioisotope dating, bio-geography and many more, denying evolution is denying all of them and as I said that is just plain stupid.
There are hundreds of examples of evolution and it is supported by virtually every scientist, by different types of science like biology, paleontology, radioisotope dating, bio-geography and many more, denying evolution is denying all of them and as I said that is just plain stupid.
If evolution is just change, say "change." why? Because the word "evolution" used to mean, and still implies, random beneficial mutations. There isn't any such thing. Cause and effect says that there is no random. Beneficial mutations have never been seen or recorded... even once. Be clear. Drop "evolution." Say "change."
If anyone denies evolution, that someone does NOT understand evolution at all. There is no denying, evolution is merely change, you can talk about evolution and discuss it but denying it entirely it's just plain stupid.
There are hundreds of examples of evolution and it is supported by virtually every scientist, by different types of science like biology, paleontology, radioisotope dating, bio-geography and many more, denying evolution is denying all of them and as I said that is just plain stupid.
There are hundreds of examples of evolution and it is supported by virtually every scientist, by different types of science like biology, paleontology, radioisotope dating, bio-geography and many more, denying evolution is denying all of them and as I said that is just plain stupid.
Thanks Criptyx.
Simple explanation of a complex theory.
But people saying evolution is a hoax are not able to process any cognitive thought. Don't lose too much time with them.
Yes we evolutionists are very intelligent and better people than others. We don't need to even discuss about anything because we already won.
This level of argumentation is a sign of real intelligence, unlike looking for evidence.
Did you notice how argumentation of some of these of atheists resemble that of muslims? I hope insecurity about their "beliefs" wont lead to more concentration camps.
Not like it would be the first or second time.
By the way I didn't understand that either.
First: we're not insecure, we're tired of pointing at you something completely obvious and proven by thousands of different scientists and studies. That's not insecuirty that's simply despair and loss of faith in humanity.
Second: Wtf are you talking about when claiming concentration camps are the fruits of atheists beliefs?
Third: What's the link between Muslims and atheists?
Fundamentalists of the latter are likely to shove arguments down your throat. Those of the former would simply slit it.
Sure, and you have audicity to tell us we are misinformed? Industrial murder was not developed by religious people as faith itself forbids notion of collective guilt. Every single soul is gifted with free will.
You keep coming back here time and again and troll deeply faithful with your idea, that truth is somehow contained in scientific knowledge slowly accumulated by usually religious themselves over the past 500 years as if humanity before then (ie. all your ancestors, mister) were mere animals. Willfully ignorant, that explaining inner workings of natural phenomena doesnt give them meaning or teaches you how to properly treat other human beings.
You all mask ignorance with arrogance. You lack humility, thats why I called you out for being insecure and you are proving me right.
Oh right, as if the sacred texts have a higher standard when it comes to treating unbelievers. I wouldn't be surprised if they're fanatics just start murdering people who won't believe their fairy tale if it's legal. That's why these religions have blasphemy laws, so critics don't rain on their party.
I treat people well because my mind is capable of anticipating how my action would affect them and feel how they will feel, because our brains have the capacity to allow us to "step into other people's shoes". Not because something commanded me to do so or because I'm expecting some reward from some invisible being who never made his existence obvious and who if it ever exists gives zero fucks on what the hell happen to humans.
Lacking humility? Doesn't that also describe religion, which can't handle the complexity, labeling this so and so beliefs of other religions as devil-worshipping etc...
Atheism is basically a religious denial system which need stories like evolution to maintain itself.
Aye. The same way religion maintains itself with stories like a man riding a horse to the moon, someone slashing his father's belly to get his siblings out, some hippie guy catching a river falling from the sky with his dreads to make it flow more smoothly, etc...
Atheism is basically a religious denial system which need stories like evolution to maintain itself.
Thanks Criptyx.
Simple explanation of a complex theory.
But people saying evolution is a hoax are not able to process any cognitive thought. Don't lose too much time with them.
Yes we evolutionists are very intelligent and better people than others. We don't need to even discuss about anything because we already won.
This level of argumentation is a sign of real intelligence, unlike looking for evidence.
Did you notice how argumentation of some of these of atheists resemble that of muslims? I hope insecurity about their "beliefs" wont lead to more concentration camps.
Not like it would be the first or second time.
By the way I didn't understand that either.
First: we're not insecure, we're tired of pointing at you something completely obvious and proven by thousands of different scientists and studies. That's not insecuirty that's simply despair and loss of faith in humanity.
Second: Wtf are you talking about when claiming concentration camps are the fruits of atheists beliefs?
Third: What's the link between Muslims and atheists?
Fundamentalists of the latter are likely to shove arguments down your throat. Those of the former would simply slit it.
Sure, and you have audicity to tell us we are misinformed? Industrial murder was not developed by religious people as faith itself forbids notion of collective guilt. Every single soul is gifted with free will.
You keep coming back here time and again and troll deeply faithful with your idea, that truth is somehow contained in scientific knowledge slowly accumulated by usually religious themselves over the past 500 years as if humanity before then (ie. all your ancestors, mister) were mere animals. Willfully ignorant, that explaining inner workings of natural phenomena doesnt give them meaning or teaches you how to properly treat other human beings.
You all mask ignorance with arrogance. You lack humility, thats why I called you out for being insecure and you are proving me right.
God said this and god does that and god will do this and god as done that..
^
HOW DO YOU ALL KNOW?
^
Are you not making it all up?
So we know your not making shit up we need proof EVIDENCE ..
and that's why we have scientific evidence to prove what you say is real..
Why is one idea of god different to another persons idea of god..
If you had proof you both say the same..
a little fuzzy ball of light that cannot communicate makes everything is it GOD?..
You could ask what made the fuzzy ball of light SO what made your GOD..
Ask yourself this WHAT IS GOD?..
is it something that holds more power than you?..A GOD
Why do we use the word god when you know now through science that a man like being couldn't went
zap and everything is so..
Now people will say no it's something else well then why is it..WHO TOLD YOU THIS?..
So now it comes to the point humans love making shit up..
we like to lie even to ourselves ..Well most people must do because you believe in one big lie GODS and then you lie to yourself and your children..
ALL LAIRS ..
So because of evolution we now have DNA < amazing science DNA science ..
What as your gods done MURDER DEATH KILL..
And yes it is your gods because they do it for their religion..
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Sure, and you have audicity to tell us we are misinformed? Industrial murder was not developed by religious people as faith itself forbids notion of collective guilt. Every single soul is gifted with free will.
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You keep coming back here time and again and troll deeply faithful with your idea, that truth is somehow contained in scientific knowledge slowly accumulated by usually religious themselves over the past 500 years as if humanity before then (ie. all your ancestors, mister) were mere animals. Willfully ignorant, that explaining inner workings of natural phenomena doesnt give them meaning or teaches you how to properly treat other human beings.
...
Sure, and you have audicity to tell us we are misinformed? Industrial murder was not developed by religious people as faith itself forbids notion of collective guilt. Every single soul is gifted with free will.
..
You keep coming back here time and again and troll deeply faithful with your idea, that truth is somehow contained in scientific knowledge slowly accumulated by usually religious themselves over the past 500 years as if humanity before then (ie. all your ancestors, mister) were mere animals. Willfully ignorant, that explaining inner workings of natural phenomena doesnt give them meaning or teaches you how to properly treat other human beings.
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Who is it that knows best about information to say anything about what is misinformed and what not?
You would want to rethink whether industrial murder are not developed by religious people. Quote from ushmm. org: "The population of Germany in 1933 was around 60 million. Almost all Germans were Christian, belonging either to the Roman Catholic (ca. 20 million members) or the Protestant (ca. 40 million members) churches."
Maybe faith is very effective in indoctrinating religious people with its indoctrinating notions of collective guilt: Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"
If no thorough scientific explaining of any inner workings of natural phenomena are being done, there would be no advancement and betterment of societies. It is the only shining light in a otherwise dark world. It forms the base upon which upstanding moral codes and proper conduct are built. We humans ourselves are in fact, natural phenomena.
If the printing press had not been invented, there would be almost no scientific work being done. The 25,000 ancient, hand-written copies of the Bible would still exist with the accuracy they have anyway. The number of new copies would have mushroomed, being checked for accuracy by the churches. But there wouldn't be any evolution theory, or any of the science theories that exist today. Everyone would be influenced far more by the Church and/or the Bible.
Bible laws are good. Spread Bible laws with New Testament love. And all this hinges on the simple printing press.
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Sure, and you have audicity to tell us we are misinformed? Industrial murder was not developed by religious people as faith itself forbids notion of collective guilt. Every single soul is gifted with free will.
..
You keep coming back here time and again and troll deeply faithful with your idea, that truth is somehow contained in scientific knowledge slowly accumulated by usually religious themselves over the past 500 years as if humanity before then (ie. all your ancestors, mister) were mere animals. Willfully ignorant, that explaining inner workings of natural phenomena doesnt give them meaning or teaches you how to properly treat other human beings.
...
Sure, and you have audicity to tell us we are misinformed? Industrial murder was not developed by religious people as faith itself forbids notion of collective guilt. Every single soul is gifted with free will.
..
You keep coming back here time and again and troll deeply faithful with your idea, that truth is somehow contained in scientific knowledge slowly accumulated by usually religious themselves over the past 500 years as if humanity before then (ie. all your ancestors, mister) were mere animals. Willfully ignorant, that explaining inner workings of natural phenomena doesnt give them meaning or teaches you how to properly treat other human beings.
...
Who is it that knows best about information to say anything about what is misinformed and what not?
You would want to rethink whether industrial murder are not developed by religious people. Quote from ushmm. org: "The population of Germany in 1933 was around 60 million. Almost all Germans were Christian, belonging either to the Roman Catholic (ca. 20 million members) or the Protestant (ca. 40 million members) churches."
Maybe faith is very effective in indoctrinating religious people with its indoctrinating notions of collective guilt: Romans 3:23 "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God"
If no thorough scientific explaining of any inner workings of natural phenomena are being done, there would be no advancement and betterment of societies. It is the only shining light in a otherwise dark world. It forms the base upon which upstanding moral codes and proper conduct are built. We humans ourselves are in fact, natural phenomena.
Thanks Criptyx.
Simple explanation of a complex theory.
But people saying evolution is a hoax are not able to process any cognitive thought. Don't lose too much time with them.
Yes we evolutionists are very intelligent and better people than others. We don't need to even discuss about anything because we already won.
This level of argumentation is a sign of real intelligence, unlike looking for evidence.
Did you notice how argumentation of some of these of atheists resemble that of muslims? I hope insecurity about their "beliefs" wont lead to more concentration camps.
Not like it would be the first or second time.
By the way I didn't understand that either.
First: we're not insecure, we're tired of pointing at you something completely obvious and proven by thousands of different scientists and studies. That's not insecuirty that's simply despair and loss of faith in humanity.
Second: Wtf are you talking about when claiming concentration camps are the fruits of atheists beliefs?
Third: What's the link between Muslims and atheists?
Fundamentalists of the latter are likely to shove arguments down your throat. Those of the former would simply slit it.
Sure, and you have audicity to tell us we are misinformed? Industrial murder was not developed by religious people as faith itself forbids notion of collective guilt. Every single soul is gifted with free will.
You keep coming back here time and again and troll deeply faithful with your idea, that truth is somehow contained in scientific knowledge slowly accumulated by usually religious themselves over the past 500 years as if humanity before then (ie. all your ancestors, mister) were mere animals. Willfully ignorant, that explaining inner workings of natural phenomena doesnt give them meaning or teaches you how to properly treat other human beings.
You all mask ignorance with arrogance. You lack humility, thats why I called you out for being insecure and you are proving me right.
Right!
One only need examine the Great Pyramid, and how it is almost perfectly aligned north and south. Yet, it is not quite aligned N & S perfectly... but almost.
At the same time, the Royal Observatory, Greenwich, where the prime meridian is housed, is off by 13 degrees from true north/south. For more info: http://www.rmg.co.uk/discover/explore/prime-meridian-Greenwich and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Observatory,_Greenwich.
We aren't even as accurate, scientifically, as the ancient Egyptians of 5,000 years ago.
Thanks Criptyx.
Simple explanation of a complex theory.
But people saying evolution is a hoax are not able to process any cognitive thought. Don't lose too much time with them.
Yes we evolutionists are very intelligent and better people than others. We don't need to even discuss about anything because we already won.
This level of argumentation is a sign of real intelligence, unlike looking for evidence.
Did you notice how argumentation of some of these of atheists resemble that of muslims? I hope insecurity about their "beliefs" wont lead to more concentration camps.
Not like it would be the first or second time.
By the way I didn't understand that either.
First: we're not insecure, we're tired of pointing at you something completely obvious and proven by thousands of different scientists and studies. That's not insecuirty that's simply despair and loss of faith in humanity.
Second: Wtf are you talking about when claiming concentration camps are the fruits of atheists beliefs?
Third: What's the link between Muslims and atheists?
Fundamentalists of the latter are likely to shove arguments down your throat. Those of the former would simply slit it.
Sure, and you have audicity to tell us we are misinformed? Industrial murder was not developed by religious people as faith itself forbids notion of collective guilt. Every single soul is gifted with free will.
You keep coming back here time and again and troll deeply faithful with your idea, that truth is somehow contained in scientific knowledge slowly accumulated by usually religious themselves over the past 500 years as if humanity before then (ie. all your ancestors, mister) were mere animals. Willfully ignorant, that explaining inner workings of natural phenomena doesnt give them meaning or teaches you how to properly treat other human beings.
You all mask ignorance with arrogance. You lack humility, thats why I called you out for being insecure and you are proving me right.
Thanks Criptyx.
Simple explanation of a complex theory.
But people saying evolution is a hoax are not able to process any cognitive thought. Don't lose too much time with them.
Yes we evolutionists are very intelligent and better people than others. We don't need to even discuss about anything because we already won.
This level of argumentation is a sign of real intelligence, unlike looking for evidence.
Did you notice how argumentation of some of these of atheists resemble that of muslims? I hope insecurity about their "beliefs" wont lead to more concentration camps.
Not like it would be the first or second time.
By the way I didn't understand that either.
First: we're not insecure, we're tired of pointing at you something completely obvious and proven by thousands of different scientists and studies. That's not insecuirty that's simply despair and loss of faith in humanity.
Second: Wtf are you talking about when claiming concentration camps are the fruits of atheists beliefs?
Third: What's the link between Muslims and atheists?
Fundamentalists of the latter are likely to shove arguments down your throat. Those of the former would simply slit it.
@popcorn dude, you're preaching to the choir. Evolution is obviously real (until some overwhelming evidence to the contrary appears, which doesn't seem likely).
I was just pointing out the flaws in BADecker's "two big points".
@criptix, yeah "Nature = God" is an interesting idea, "pantheism" is one form of what you're talking about I believe.
It certainly makes a lot more sense to me that "God" is for example, the four fundamental forces of the universe, than some sort of conscious, anthropomorphised man in the sky.
And you even made up your own god..So who or what is it..
And if you say you don't know then why a god?..
Are you replying to me? I think you might be confused. I agree that a "god" in the conventional sense did not create the Earth - The idea that a supernatural deity clicked its fingers and popped the world into existence is a highly flawed argument with zero evidence to support it.
I didn't say I believed in a god at all. I just meant that I can relate to a pantheist idea of god far more easily than, for example, the Abrahamic god.
Some of it comes down to semantics - what is the definition of a god? One could argue that the force of gravity has many of the attributes of a god. While it is not conscious, it is not fully understood and seems to defy quantum mechanics as we know it. It also, in a way, created Earth and all of the planets and stars, and consequentially all life as we know it.
After all, I don't think even BADecker could tell us exactly who or what his god is. Is the idea of a Christian god that different from the idea that god is the force of gravity?
i would think more of your god if we had anti gravity..
Doesn't take much to impress you..A falling god..
Haha OK so you're trolling, I get it. Your last line did make me chuckle actually
No, firstly it's not my god. Secondly, the god that I speculated is not falling, it makes things fall. There's a difference.
Thirdly, if I was impressed by the idea that god was the force of gravity, then think of my reaction when I saw magnets defy the force of gravity!
If God = Gravity, then Magnets = Satan
I've heard it said that opposites attract. This truth must be universal if you ask me.
No wonder truth seekers swarm this thread!
@popcorn
Ugh... we are talking on a philosophical level about a god entity.
In this case i stated i could accept a god entity which equals our nature/universe/phisycal principles etc pp.
Im not atheist per se, because i have an open minded personality, it is more i guess in direction of an agnostic.
But overall this is not an important factor of my life it is just more of a though experiment.
No but why a god ..Why the need for something more powerful than your self?..Ugh... we are talking on a philosophical level about a god entity.
In this case i stated i could accept a god entity which equals our nature/universe/phisycal principles etc pp.
Im not atheist per se, because i have an open minded personality, it is more i guess in direction of an agnostic.
But overall this is not an important factor of my life it is just more of a though experiment.
Why not it's just science simple science..?
Something went bang because of blah blah blah blah..
Why oh it went bang because of a god or some type of god..
This is just semantics now.
You could just call it nature if you dont like the word god.
Check out the topics about pantheism and spinozism.
In a letter to Henry Oldenburg Spinoza wrote: "as to the view of certain people that I identify god with nature (taken as a kind of mass or corporeal matter), they are quite mistaken".[1] For Spinoza, our universe (cosmos) is a mode under two attributes of Thought and Extension. God has infinitely many other attributes which are not present in our world. According to German philosopher Karl Jaspers, when Spinoza wrote "Deus sive Natura" ("God or Nature") Spinoza meant God was Natura naturans not Natura naturata, that is, "a dynamic nature in action, growing and changing, not a passive or static thing
Did god tell him this OR did he make this up?..God has infinitely many other attributes which are not present in our world..
You see i find it strange why people need a god..
Is it the need to be loved no matter what we do?.
Are you scared to die?
thunder was the start of gods to tell stories to children to make them scared ..
Pack it in jack or the thunder god will get you ..
And thousands of years later we come to this point were people blow themselves up for make believe stories that all started from THUNDER..
And because of this thunder we have people not blaming the thunder but blaming something that they don't even know what it is
..So how did we get here ..Well i don't know but something put us here ..NO SHIT
..Even a reason why things explode..
before the Big bang ..
A black hole sucks all the matter in and the matter gets to heavy for the black hole .
Then because it's to heavy it explodes ripping a new part of the universe to release all it's matter..
Creating new galaxies and solar systems .
And because it's a collapsed black hole you can travel down them into a new part of the universe..
MAYBE ^^.. And that's how aliens travel vast distances MAYBE ..
No that's not what happened a man like being or an unknown thing went zap and then there was a bang..
Just please tell me what you think your gods look like describe it or him..
Nature so a tree is god?..
So dogs piss on god?..
The fact that popcorn1 responds in favor of evolution, shows way beyond any proof that evolution is definitely a hoax.
@popcorn
Ugh... we are talking on a philosophical level about a god entity.
In this case i stated i could accept a god entity which equals our nature/universe/phisycal principles etc pp.
Im not atheist per se, because i have an open minded personality, it is more i guess in direction of an agnostic.
But overall this is not an important factor of my life it is just more of a though experiment.
No but why a god ..Why the need for something more powerful than your self?..Ugh... we are talking on a philosophical level about a god entity.
In this case i stated i could accept a god entity which equals our nature/universe/phisycal principles etc pp.
Im not atheist per se, because i have an open minded personality, it is more i guess in direction of an agnostic.
But overall this is not an important factor of my life it is just more of a though experiment.
Why not it's just science simple science..?
Something went bang because of blah blah blah blah..
Why oh it went bang because of a god or some type of god..
This is just semantics now.
You could just call it nature if you dont like the word god.
Check out the topics about pantheism and spinozism.
In a letter to Henry Oldenburg Spinoza wrote: "as to the view of certain people that I identify god with nature (taken as a kind of mass or corporeal matter), they are quite mistaken".[1] For Spinoza, our universe (cosmos) is a mode under two attributes of Thought and Extension. God has infinitely many other attributes which are not present in our world. According to German philosopher Karl Jaspers, when Spinoza wrote "Deus sive Natura" ("God or Nature") Spinoza meant God was Natura naturans not Natura naturata, that is, "a dynamic nature in action, growing and changing, not a passive or static thing
Did god tell him this OR did he make this up?..God has infinitely many other attributes which are not present in our world..
You see i find it strange why people need a god..
Is it the need to be loved no matter what we do?.
Are you scared to die?
thunder was the start of gods to tell stories to children to make them scared ..
Pack it in jack or the thunder god will get you ..
And thousands of years later we come to this point were people blow themselves up for make believe stories that all started from THUNDER..
And because of this thunder we have people not blaming the thunder but blaming something that they don't even know what it is
..So how did we get here ..Well i don't know but something put us here ..NO SHIT
..Even a reason why things explode..
before the Big bang ..
A black hole sucks all the matter in and the matter gets to heavy for the black hole .
Then because it's to heavy it explodes ripping a new part of the universe to release all it's matter..
Creating new galaxies and solar systems .
And because it's a collapsed black hole you can travel down them into a new part of the universe..
MAYBE ^^.. And that's how aliens travel vast distances MAYBE ..
No that's not what happened a man like being or an unknown thing went zap and then there was a bang..
Just please tell me what you think your gods look like describe it or him..
Nature so a tree is god?..
So dogs piss on god?..
@popcorn dude, you're preaching to the choir. Evolution is obviously real (until some overwhelming evidence to the contrary appears, which doesn't seem likely).
I was just pointing out the flaws in BADecker's "two big points".
@criptix, yeah "Nature = God" is an interesting idea, "pantheism" is one form of what you're talking about I believe.
It certainly makes a lot more sense to me that "God" is for example, the four fundamental forces of the universe, than some sort of conscious, anthropomorphised man in the sky.
And you even made up your own god..So who or what is it..
And if you say you don't know then why a god?..
Are you replying to me? I think you might be confused. I agree that a "god" in the conventional sense did not create the Earth - The idea that a supernatural deity clicked its fingers and popped the world into existence is a highly flawed argument with zero evidence to support it.
I didn't say I believed in a god at all. I just meant that I can relate to a pantheist idea of god far more easily than, for example, the Abrahamic god.
Some of it comes down to semantics - what is the definition of a god? One could argue that the force of gravity has many of the attributes of a god. While it is not conscious, it is not fully understood and seems to defy quantum mechanics as we know it. It also, in a way, created Earth and all of the planets and stars, and consequentially all life as we know it.
After all, I don't think even BADecker could tell us exactly who or what his god is. Is the idea of a Christian god that different from the idea that god is the force of gravity?
i would think more of your god if we had anti gravity..
Doesn't take much to impress you..A falling god..
Haha OK so you're trolling, I get it. Your last line did make me chuckle actually
No, firstly it's not my god. Secondly, the god that I speculated is not falling, it makes things fall. There's a difference.
Thirdly, if I was impressed by the idea that god was the force of gravity, then think of my reaction when I saw magnets defy the force of gravity!
If God = Gravity, then Magnets = Satan
Its funny, that when "atheists" try to explain natural phenomena to each other, they quickly fall back to christian iconography
And where is the rest? The antimatter? The source of life? The source of energy? The source of time? You might end up with full blown hinduistic pantheon of bigger and lesser gods like this. Good luck with your sophistic exercise, though. Mind should be busy.
I was using Christian iconography as a metaphorical joke. If I use theism as a metaphor, is that evidence for a god? I think not.
Do you have an explanation for the things you speak of? Antimatter, the source of life, the source of energy?
If you have an explanation, do you have evidence for it?
Atheists may not be able to explain everything, but they do not make the fallacy of formulating explanations for that which is unexplained. Especially when those explanations are based on flimsy evidence.
What do you think about evolution, Okur?
@popcorn dude, you're preaching to the choir. Evolution is obviously real (until some overwhelming evidence to the contrary appears, which doesn't seem likely).
I was just pointing out the flaws in BADecker's "two big points".
@criptix, yeah "Nature = God" is an interesting idea, "pantheism" is one form of what you're talking about I believe.
It certainly makes a lot more sense to me that "God" is for example, the four fundamental forces of the universe, than some sort of conscious, anthropomorphised man in the sky.
And you even made up your own god..So who or what is it..
And if you say you don't know then why a god?..
Are you replying to me? I think you might be confused. I agree that a "god" in the conventional sense did not create the Earth - The idea that a supernatural deity clicked its fingers and popped the world into existence is a highly flawed argument with zero evidence to support it.
I didn't say I believed in a god at all. I just meant that I can relate to a pantheist idea of god far more easily than, for example, the Abrahamic god.
Some of it comes down to semantics - what is the definition of a god? One could argue that the force of gravity has many of the attributes of a god. While it is not conscious, it is not fully understood and seems to defy quantum mechanics as we know it. It also, in a way, created Earth and all of the planets and stars, and consequentially all life as we know it.
After all, I don't think even BADecker could tell us exactly who or what his god is. Is the idea of a Christian god that different from the idea that god is the force of gravity?
i would think more of your god if we had anti gravity..
Doesn't take much to impress you..A falling god..
Haha OK so you're trolling, I get it. Your last line did make me chuckle actually
No, firstly it's not my god. Secondly, the god that I speculated is not falling, it makes things fall. There's a difference.
Thirdly, if I was impressed by the idea that god was the force of gravity, then think of my reaction when I saw magnets defy the force of gravity!
If God = Gravity, then Magnets = Satan
Its funny, that when "atheists" try to explain natural phenomena to each other, they quickly fall back to christian iconography
And where is the rest? The antimatter? The source of life? The source of energy? The source of time? You might end up with full blown hinduistic pantheon of bigger and lesser gods like this. Good luck with your sophistic exercise, though. Mind should be busy.
@popcorn dude, you're preaching to the choir. Evolution is obviously real (until some overwhelming evidence to the contrary appears, which doesn't seem likely).
I was just pointing out the flaws in BADecker's "two big points".
@criptix, yeah "Nature = God" is an interesting idea, "pantheism" is one form of what you're talking about I believe.
It certainly makes a lot more sense to me that "God" is for example, the four fundamental forces of the universe, than some sort of conscious, anthropomorphised man in the sky.
And you even made up your own god..So who or what is it..
And if you say you don't know then why a god?..
Are you replying to me? I think you might be confused. I agree that a "god" in the conventional sense did not create the Earth - The idea that a supernatural deity clicked its fingers and popped the world into existence is a highly flawed argument with zero evidence to support it.
I didn't say I believed in a god at all. I just meant that I can relate to a pantheist idea of god far more easily than, for example, the Abrahamic god.
Some of it comes down to semantics - what is the definition of a god? One could argue that the force of gravity has many of the attributes of a god. While it is not conscious, it is not fully understood and seems to defy quantum mechanics as we know it. It also, in a way, created Earth and all of the planets and stars, and consequentially all life as we know it.
After all, I don't think even BADecker could tell us exactly who or what his god is. Is the idea of a Christian god that different from the idea that god is the force of gravity?
i would think more of your god if we had anti gravity..
Doesn't take much to impress you..A falling god..
Haha OK so you're trolling, I get it. Your last line did make me chuckle actually
No, firstly it's not my god. Secondly, the god that I speculated is not falling, it makes things fall. There's a difference.
Thirdly, if I was impressed by the idea that god was the force of gravity, then think of my reaction when I saw magnets defy the force of gravity!
If God = Gravity, then Magnets = Satan
@popcorn
Ugh... we are talking on a philosophical level about a god entity.
In this case i stated i could accept a god entity which equals our nature/universe/phisycal principles etc pp.
Im not atheist per se, because i have an open minded personality, it is more i guess in direction of an agnostic.
But overall this is not an important factor of my life it is just more of a though experiment.
No but why a god ..Why the need for something more powerful than your self?..Ugh... we are talking on a philosophical level about a god entity.
In this case i stated i could accept a god entity which equals our nature/universe/phisycal principles etc pp.
Im not atheist per se, because i have an open minded personality, it is more i guess in direction of an agnostic.
But overall this is not an important factor of my life it is just more of a though experiment.
Why not it's just science simple science..?
Something went bang because of blah blah blah blah..
Why oh it went bang because of a god or some type of god..
This is just semantics now.
You could just call it nature if you dont like the word god.
Check out the topics about pantheism and spinozism.
@popcorn dude, you're preaching to the choir. Evolution is obviously real (until some overwhelming evidence to the contrary appears, which doesn't seem likely).
I was just pointing out the flaws in BADecker's "two big points".
@criptix, yeah "Nature = God" is an interesting idea, "pantheism" is one form of what you're talking about I believe.
It certainly makes a lot more sense to me that "God" is for example, the four fundamental forces of the universe, than some sort of conscious, anthropomorphised man in the sky.
And you even made up your own god..So who or what is it..
And if you say you don't know then why a god?..
Are you replying to me? I think you might be confused. I agree that a "god" in the conventional sense did not create the Earth - The idea that a supernatural deity clicked its fingers and popped the world into existence is a highly flawed argument with zero evidence to support it.
I didn't say I believed in a god at all. I just meant that I can relate to a pantheist idea of god far more easily than, for example, the Abrahamic god.
Some of it comes down to semantics - what is the definition of a god? One could argue that the force of gravity has many of the attributes of a god. While it is not conscious, it is not fully understood and seems to defy quantum mechanics as we know it. It also, in a way, created Earth and all of the planets and stars, and consequentially all life as we know it.
After all, I don't think even BADecker could tell us exactly who or what his god is. Is the idea of a Christian god that different from the idea that god is the force of gravity?
i would think more of your god if we had anti gravity..
Doesn't take much to impress you..A falling god..
I don't believe in evolution too, not because I am religious at all but because it is impossible. It is funny too that we are successors of the monkey race. How can that be when monkeys cannot speak, and we can speak. The brain and our own free will is what differs us the human race from other creatures. Other creatures have only instincts and not free will. We the human race are a perfect creation that even the scientist are being marveled from. Our brain is very difficult to decipher and in fact no cure yet for multiply sclerosis. This should be enough that evolution is just a fairy tale.
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