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The problem I have with objections to evolution is that people try to make the science fit their theories rather than let the science speak for itself.

The real problem I have with them is that 99.999% of the people who try to disprove evolution are creationists or religious. They are extremely skeptic about science (that is applied and works on pretty much everything we have today) but they will very easily believe that a man in the sky created everything from scratch because that's definitely a more plausible explanation? If you are going to be so skeptic about scientific theories you should be also skeptic about old books written by some men.

I can't agree more and that is my point they wish to find any small hope of reasons why evolution is wrong based on their religious bias. I get that the science in favour of the theory of evolution isn't perfect but its got so much more to back it up than any religious explanation has.
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June 08, 2017, 05:30:33 AM
The problem I have with objections to evolution is that people try to make the science fit their theories rather than let the science speak for itself.

The real problem I have with them is that 99.999% of the people who try to disprove evolution are creationists or religious. They are extremely skeptic about science (that is applied and works on pretty much everything we have today) but they will very easily believe that a man in the sky created everything from scratch because that's definitely a more plausible explanation? If you are going to be so skeptic about scientific theories you should be also skeptic about old books written by some men.
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The problem I have with objections to evolution is that people try to make the science fit their theories rather than let the science speak for itself.
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June 08, 2017, 04:07:10 AM
You know it's really funny how atheist denounce creation and site their support for Science whiles they haven't given us any definite proof about evolution, Do we catch monkeys and study them for a billions years to see if they will evolve into something else, they have watched too much movies.

The media I think have brainwashed them too much. How come I have become a man from a reptile who become a cat and then who become a monkey and then become a man, how stupid is this ? I wonder what kind of science backs up evolution as the one I have studied at mathematics school surely do not back up unproved theories.


Biology, Microbiology, Anthropology, Archaeology, Embryology, Geology, Paleontology, Genetics, a lot of math. Statistics, computation, machine learning, applied mathematics, are used heavily in a lot of evolutionary work. In fact evolution has been used in computer science. Evolutionary computation is a family of algorithms for global optimization inspired by biological evolution, and the subfield of artificial intelligence and soft computing studying these algorithms. In technical terms, they are a family of population-based trial and error problem solvers with a metaheuristic or stochastic optimization character.

Also a scientific theory can't be unproved, that would make no sense: A scientific theory is an explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can, in accordance with the scientific method, be repeatedly tested, using a predefined protocol of observations and experiments.[1][2] Established scientific theories have withstood rigorous scrutiny and are a comprehensive form of scientific knowledge.

I think you should study more.

Maybe I should study more but you still haven't told me how did I become a man when I was a reptile before then become a cat ,then become a monkey and in the end I become a man. That leaves me a lot of doubts which biology ,microbiology and every other science you mentioned didn't tell me in details or the details are far from complete. I personally believe that only people with limited mental intelligence believe in evolution. Also why don't monkey turn to men right now ? And don't bother to answer these questions as I am sure your answers will not be satisfactory for my thinking. Prove it otherwise stop it as simple as this.

''Why are there still monkeys if men evolved from monkeys'' Is considered the stupidest thing you can say about evolution, please do not say that in front of a scientist because he would smack you. Humans did not evolve from apes, gorillas or chimps. We are all modern species that have followed different evolutionary paths, though humans share a common ancestor with some primates, such as the African ape.
Now, we don't know and probably never will exactly how every organism evolved in details, it's obviously impossible unless we can time travel. However thanks to the different science fields and studies we can determine more or less how it happened.

Perhaps I can give you an easy example of evolution. Peppered Moths are normally white with black speckles across the wings, giving it its name. This patterning makes it well camouflaged against lichen-covered tree trunks when it rests on them during the day. There is also a naturally occurring genetic mutation which causes some moths to have almost black wings. These black forms (called 'melanic') are not as well camouflaged on the lichen as normal 'peppered' forms and so they are more likely to be eaten by birds and other predators. This means that fewer black forms survive to breed and so they are less common in the population than the paler peppered forms. This is the normal situation observed in the countryside of Britain and Ireland.

Normal and Melanic Peppered Moths (Chris Manley)However, in the nineteenth century it was noticed that in towns and cities it was actually the black form of the moth that was more common than the pale peppered form. Industrialisation and domestic coal fires had caused sooty air pollution which had killed off lichens and blackened urban tree trunks and walls. So now it was the pale form of the moth that was more obvious to predators, while the melanic form was better camouflaged and more likely to survive and produce offspring. As a result, over successive generations, the black moths came to outnumber the pale forms in our towns and cities. Since moths are short-lived, this evolution by natural selection happened quite quickly. For example, the first black Peppered Moth was recorded in Manchester in 1848 and by 1895 98% of Peppered Moths in the city were black.

That's what we call evolution, as you can see it's not magic. Some moths simply mutated due to the pollution at the time and survived better than the previous ones because they were harder to detect. There are a lot of mutations and many of them are bad, for example some people might be born with 6 fingers instead of 5, this however doesn't help them in any significant way.
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June 08, 2017, 03:55:51 AM
You know it's really funny how atheist denounce creation and site their support for Science whiles they haven't given us any definite proof about evolution, Do we catch monkeys and study them for a billions years to see if they will evolve into something else, they have watched too much movies.

The media I think have brainwashed them too much. How come I have become a man from a reptile who become a cat and then who become a monkey and then become a man, how stupid is this ? I wonder what kind of science backs up evolution as the one I have studied at mathematics school surely do not back up unproved theories.


Biology, Microbiology, Anthropology, Archaeology, Embryology, Geology, Paleontology, Genetics, a lot of math. Statistics, computation, machine learning, applied mathematics, are used heavily in a lot of evolutionary work. In fact evolution has been used in computer science. Evolutionary computation is a family of algorithms for global optimization inspired by biological evolution, and the subfield of artificial intelligence and soft computing studying these algorithms. In technical terms, they are a family of population-based trial and error problem solvers with a metaheuristic or stochastic optimization character.

Also a scientific theory can't be unproved, that would make no sense: A scientific theory is an explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can, in accordance with the scientific method, be repeatedly tested, using a predefined protocol of observations and experiments.[1][2] Established scientific theories have withstood rigorous scrutiny and are a comprehensive form of scientific knowledge.

I think you should study more.

Maybe I should study more but you still haven't told me how did I become a man when I was a reptile before then become a cat ,then become a monkey and in the end I become a man. That leaves me a lot of doubts which biology ,microbiology and every other science you mentioned didn't tell me in details or the details are far from complete. I personally believe that only people with limited mental intelligence believe in evolution. Also why don't monkey turn to men right now ? And don't bother to answer these questions as I am sure your answers will not be satisfactory for my thinking. Prove it otherwise stop it as simple as this.
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June 08, 2017, 03:40:29 AM
You know it's really funny how atheist denounce creation and site their support for Science whiles they haven't given us any definite proof about evolution, Do we catch monkeys and study them for a billions years to see if they will evolve into something else, they have watched too much movies.

The media I think have brainwashed them too much. How come I have become a man from a reptile who become a cat and then who become a monkey and then become a man, how stupid is this ? I wonder what kind of science backs up evolution as the one I have studied at mathematics school surely do not back up unproved theories.


Biology, Microbiology, Anthropology, Archaeology, Embryology, Geology, Paleontology, Genetics, a lot of math. Statistics, computation, machine learning, applied mathematics, are used heavily in a lot of evolutionary work. In fact evolution has been used in computer science. Evolutionary computation is a family of algorithms for global optimization inspired by biological evolution, and the subfield of artificial intelligence and soft computing studying these algorithms. In technical terms, they are a family of population-based trial and error problem solvers with a metaheuristic or stochastic optimization character.

Also a scientific theory can't be unproved, that would make no sense: A scientific theory is an explanation of some aspect of the natural world that can, in accordance with the scientific method, be repeatedly tested, using a predefined protocol of observations and experiments.[1][2] Established scientific theories have withstood rigorous scrutiny and are a comprehensive form of scientific knowledge.

I think you should study more.
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June 08, 2017, 03:15:58 AM
You know it's really funny how atheist denounce creation and site their support for Science whiles they haven't given us any definite proof about evolution, Do we catch monkeys and study them for a billions years to see if they will evolve into something else, they have watched too much movies.

The media I think have brainwashed them too much. How come I have become a man from a reptile who become a cat and then who become a monkey and then become a man, how stupid is this ? I wonder what kind of science backs up evolution as the one I have studied at mathematics school surely do not back up unproved theories.
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June 07, 2017, 02:56:56 AM
Why there are still monkeys around if they were part of our evolutionary beginnings ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz0gFarCfBE

I can quite get your logic here but if you think about it, there are several species of apes same with other animals and evolution could've taken place with one of these species. Evolution is still the most logical theory of how we came to be.
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June 07, 2017, 01:20:41 AM
Why there are still monkeys around if they were part of our evolutionary beginnings ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz0gFarCfBE


Here's a tip for you, don't ever, EVER say this infront of a biologist because you'd be in fora  wild ride and also, before you start bashing something, make sure you've unleast read a little about it. Humans didn't evolve from apes, we just share the ancestors.  



Nice manifesto, but where's the evidence? I don't need your advice, my cousin is a biochemist and when I speak about evolution with him, he says that he just believes it's true  Wink

'Didn't evolve, we just share..' What?  Grin 'Rock is not a stone, it's a stone'... Just the kind of logic to expect from an evolution believer.
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June 06, 2017, 09:29:58 PM
Why there are still monkeys around if they were part of our evolutionary beginnings ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz0gFarCfBE


Here's a tip for you, don't ever, EVER say this infront of a biologist because you'd be in fora  wild ride and also, before you start bashing something, make sure you've unleast read a little about it. Humans didn't evolve from apes, we just share the ancestors. 

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^^ Here is an article about an experiment which hypothesised exactly what I was talking about - specifically the random organisation of nucleotides into RNA strands with catalytic functions.

http://www.science20.com/stars_planets_life/calculating_odds_life_could_begin_chance
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June 06, 2017, 06:26:22 PM
You know it's really funny how atheist denounce creation and site their support for Science whiles they haven't given us any definite proof about evolution, Do we catch monkeys and study them for a billions years to see if they will evolve into something else, they have watched too much movies.
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