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legendary
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The worst of what potentially can happen is our clearnet domain name seized, in which case we will just switch to some other domain without interruption of operations.
I don't see this a big problem since I already recommend using of onion link anyway.

...which in our case is a nearly impossible task as they will have to break various cryptography standards and decentralized systems in order to reach at least one of our physical ends.
Maybe, unless you have some weak link and leaks from inside your team Wink
I hope nearly impossible is good enough, since we know you are facing powers with unlimited financial sources on the other side.


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I'm curious as to what's the motive behind adding RUNE? Are you planning to implement Thorchain for cross-chain trading for all pairs? or just RUNE ones? I also want to know, if you're going to use Thorchain directly, or simply use Thorswap?
legendary
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However it's not the first time we receive a court order and provide no data with a reference to our ToS, so I doubt anything will happen at all. Once the process is concluded, it should be publicly available at their .gov site, so we'll just grab some popcorn and read it.

What happened during previous Court orders? Did you present there? Did you come with a lawyer...? Did a lawyer go there in your name...? Care to share more details about what happened in the previous situations?
Similar, now... are you going to user a lawyer's services for this order?



We are very proud to be able to fight for the cryptocurrency neutrality and provide resilient services aiming to countermeasure censorship.

People like you are so rare... You are a rara avis, eXch!
legendary
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eXch was not charged with anything up to this date. We got one subpoena from a court in Germany 3 months ago and another one from U.S. Secret Service delegated by a court 7 months ago. We weren't notified about any outcome. It indicates that the cases were either archived or are still being elaborated. In any case, these orders assume requesting data from us in a role of a service provider, not the heist originator, therefore it's doubtful they will come with any enforcement action addressed to our service at all since our service is not even USA/Germany based, nor we have any entities that could be exposed to extradition risks.

Apart from that, we had many other requests this year coming from different police departments around the world related to cybercrime investigations.

No data was disclosed from our end to any of these.

We are also working on creating a /transparency section at our website that should be live this month where we will publish each received LE request.

We are very proud to be able to fight for the cryptocurrency neutrality and provide resilient services aiming to countermeasure censorship.

Thanks for sharing this. Honestly, I am quite surprised that there is so much pressure and demand for data, and I am glad that there are still services that will take care of the privacy of their users.
Can you refer to GDPR compliance and care for the personal data of your users when not providing them in such cases?
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Have some of the previous processes already been concluded or are they still open?
If they were linked for similar charges, can we know the epilogue? Guilty, innocent, some specific penalty or what?

eXch was not charged with anything up to this date. We got one subpoena from a court in Germany 3 months ago and another one from U.S. Secret Service delegated by a court 7 months ago. We weren't notified about any outcome. It indicates that the cases were either archived or are still being elaborated. In any case, these orders assume requesting data from us in a role of a service provider, not the heist originator, therefore it's doubtful they will come with any enforcement action addressed to our service at all since our service is not even USA/Germany based, nor we have any entities that could be exposed to extradition risks.

Apart from that, we had many other requests this year coming from different police departments around the world related to cybercrime investigations.

No data was disclosed from our end to any of these.

We are also working on creating a /transparency section at our website that should be live this month where we will publish each received LE request.

We are very proud to be able to fight for the cryptocurrency neutrality and provide resilient services aiming to countermeasure censorship.
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I believe that the forum is still the fastest and easiest way to find out about new or updated services. It is much more convenient to search here then just google it and wade through the multitude of results in search of what really interests you.
I think this is subjective because you are here and thousands of people have probably never even heard of this iconic place. I also do not agree that Bitcointalk is the best way to learn about something new... if I may, I would rephrase it in the spirit of “Bitcointalk is the best way to learn about some reliable and trusted service.” In the end, my opinion is also subjective.  Roll Eyes

Sure, I cannot argue that there are thousands of people who have never even heard of this forum. Actually, nobody from my acquaintances in the "real world" knows about it, and when I tell them, they are quite surprised. But then again, only very few of them made some efforts to learn more after my introduction.

However, i can conclude from my observations by being here, that forum users tend to come here for new pieces of information. They discuss updated and releases here, that is why I believe, they perceive bitcointalk as the fastest way to find out something new. And of course they learn about some reliable and trusted services here as well.
legendary
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However it's not the first time we receive a court order and provide no data with a reference to our ToS, so I doubt anything will happen at all. Once the process is concluded, it should be publicly available at their .gov site, so we'll just grab some popcorn and read it.


Have some of the previous processes already been concluded or are they still open?
If they were linked for similar charges, can we know the epilogue? Guilty, innocent, some specific penalty or what?
legendary
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I am fine with all kind of translations in case there is some interest in doing so. This is a community after all.

Please find here the Romanian translation in the topic: eXch – schimbă instantaneu BTC / LN / XMR / LTC / ETH / ERC20.

Other than that, I am looking forward to see what will happen on November 16th.
legendary
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It cannot be an easy situation when any individual/organisation (including yourself) receive a Court document demanding various things. Any form of Court summons cannot be taken lightly but from what you have written it seems you have prepared plans. Basically, if you do not have any data on hand because it gets deleted upon user request (or automatically deleted after 15 days), it means there is not much data you have on hand to give to those demanding it.

As you are not obliged to retain information, it seems to be another plus point to use the exchange alongside a no KYC policy.

Our policy is to do the same, except producing information related to exchanges since we don't have it nor obligated to have it, because we do not operate with any financial instrument according to the current legal definitions of cryptocurrency.
legendary
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They may not look so popular here on this forum but apparently outside this forum they indeed are, judging by their volume
Very nice volume, and it's not such a bad thing to be under the radar for some people Wink
I didn't hear about eXch from bitcointalk forum, someone recommended it to me and I saw ratings on kycnot.me website.
So far I didn't have a single complain after using eXch for a while, and that is not something I can say for other exchanges I used in past.

Today we were COMMANDED to appear before the GRAND JURY, however, unfortunately all our customers data was lost in the boating accident during transportation of our servers over a river just right before the receipt of that subpoena. Reportedly.
Sorry to hear about terrible boating accident  Sad
It's going to be interesting to see what happens after November 16...


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I don't know why the sensation is that the subpoena is not such a big deal but I am worried about eXch. What will you do? Are you going to face them on November 16th...? Or... are you going to be absent and see what happens...?

Besides, I see in that paper that it's stated that it should not be made public... What if they will find about the post from the forum?

Is it a big deal for mixers who certainly received many of them already but without a public disclosure? You know the answer, therefore the same applies here. I have purposely linked this post https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62858665 in the subpoena post to demonstrate that it's an ordinary situation for us to handle, however, I will quote the relevant part from that post here:

Now, in regards to law enforcement requests:

eXch was built with an idea to make operators identity disclosure practically impossible so the service can be resistant to law enforcement. Operational security was our priority #1 from the first steps of the project creation.

We have very strict data retention policies that can be compared to most mixers on this forum. We do not log IP addresses (having .onion domain is a proof for that) or any other user metadata and delete order database records 15 days after order completion. We also provide users with an option to request data deletion immediately after order completion which can be done by pressing the "Delete data" button at the order's page (you can find more information at https://exch.cx/tos).

Keep in mind that we don't differ from any mixer on this forum in regards to risks associated with unwanted data disclosure, since any mixer is also a centralized entity that uses the same database technology as we do and a single database can become a weak point of any service anytime, independently of how many times their marketing speech repeats the words "privacy" and "anonymity". We don't use these words much and instead we use full disk encryption on all our servers to prevent any unwanted situations as much as possible. An unexplained reboot of some server is a sign that a server was compromised and it's a clear attempt to compromise our LUKS keys with a modified bootloader.

We do not cooperate with law enforcement nor have to do so, since we are an anonymous entity that works with cryptocurrency only. A few events that could serve as a proof:


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In the first half of 2023, users deposited a total of 9,983 ETH (approximately $17.72 million) into eXch, and deposited a total of 6,608,354 ERC20 stablecoins (approximately $6.6 million) into eXch.

(Note: they were only able to gather these statistics on the Ethereum blockchain, since we use a single aggregation address 0xf1da173228fcf015f43f3ea15abbb51f0d8f1123 for all Ethereum & ERC-20 exchange operations)


Note that it's not the first subpoena we have received and published, nor it it will be the last, since we know how to handle such situations. You shouldn't worry about eXch, but should worry about mixers instead.
Note also that Twitter discloses subpoenas to their affected users independently whether there is a gag order or not, because it's their company policy:



[Twitter link] [Nitter link]

Our policy is to do the same, except producing information related to exchanges since we don't have it nor obligated to have it, because we do not operate with any financial instrument according to the current legal definitions of cryptocurrency.

Other than that, eXch please don't forget about my previous post, in case you missed it.

I am fine with all kind of translations in case there is some interest in doing so. This is a community after all.

legendary
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I don't know why the sensation is that the subpoena is not such a big deal but I am worried about eXch. What will you do? Are you going to face them on November 16th...? Or... are you going to be absent and see what happens...?

Besides, I see in that paper that it's stated that it should not be made public... What if they will find about the post from the forum?

Other than that, eXch please don't forget about my previous post, in case you missed it.
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Eyewitness Photography  Wink

Fortunately the operators survived  :-)
legendary
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Eyewitness Photography  Wink

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Today we were COMMANDED to appear before the GRAND JURY, however, unfortunately all our customers data was lost in the boating accident during transportation of our servers over a river just right before the receipt of that subpoena. Reportedly.





Code:
Exhibit A

Transaction Hashes                                                 Receiving Addresses                        Amount
0x980954ec2a0b7e78e9601c5a4006ef472ef8be99fa294a6416e21815a791e991 0xf1dA173228fcf015F43f3eA15aBBB51f0d8f1123 20000 DAI
0x3f4878860ed422ac1756a08c20edd1e9757d948a3a5e55425e421b678b87c0ae 0xf1dA173228fcf015F43f3eA15aBBB51f0d8f1123 10000 DAI
0xb66e3b0be33732466a76ef336630c6bcb13bbaa02ee4d733b7d1e485f50327a4 0xf1dA173228fcf015F43f3eA15aBBB51f0d8f1123 25650.668859937550803616 DAI
0x308e6f4d790ad68a432022ca2be1129db8b4a8a720e1a5c03ffb1be7beaa2259 0xf1dA173228fcf015F43f3eA15aBBB51f0d8f1123 10000 DAI
0x05ca43e2563d217e71e5a131d2ce19b9dc052192f65e84e2ad6ee6fed1686ad1 0xf1dA173228fcf015F43f3eA15aBBB51f0d8f1123 2000 DAI

Our legal team is on its way to New York already!
legendary
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I believe that the forum is still the fastest and easiest way to find out about new or updated services. It is much more convenient to search here then just google it and wade through the multitude of results in search of what really interests you.
I think this is subjective because you are here and thousands of people have probably never even heard of this iconic place. I also do not agree that Bitcointalk is the best way to learn about something new... if I may, I would rephrase it in the spirit of “Bitcointalk is the best way to learn about some reliable and trusted service.” In the end, my opinion is also subjective.  Roll Eyes
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I must admit that I have first read about eXch here on Bitcointalk forum. Otherwise I would have used the service earlier.

I believe that the forum is still the fastest and easiest way to find out about new or updated services. It is much more convenient to search here then just google it and wade through the multitude of results in search of what really interests you.
legendary
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I have used eXch now for two times to switch BTC to XMR and vice versa. It worked flawlessly both times as expected.
Clear and easy to use interface-> fast -> no KYC -> and small fees.

I must admit that I have first read about eXch here on Bitcointalk forum. Otherwise I would have used the service earlier.
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I agree with you, I wonder why this service isn't more popular around here: no KYC, no account required, nothing complicated. It's fast, cheap and reliable.
Because they are new to trying marketing here using a signature campaign, I believe if they do it at the same time as launching the website, they will get more new customers as same as today.

They may not look so popular here on this forum but apparently outside this forum they indeed are, judging by their volume:



It seems some people in this space remember their service and still trust it, so do I, because I personally remember using this service when they were providing instant Perfect Money to BTC exchanges somewhere back in 2015 and that their Perfect Money trust score was extremely high (something that would require enormous amount of complete deals). Maybe I will find some screenshots on my old drive and post here.

I also doubt they were caring about making tons of promotions when relaunching here since it appears they were confident that this kind of service is rare and will have a lot of ask.

Congrats and welcome back to you, eXch.cc, since you have apparently made it. Hope the forum admins will help you to rename the account.
legendary
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I agree with you, I wonder why this service isn't more popular around here: no KYC, no account required, nothing complicated. It's fast, cheap and reliable.
Because they are new to trying marketing here using a signature campaign, I believe if they do it at the same time as launching the website, they will get more new customers as same as today. But, I think It was also difficult at that time (2014) because massive centralization exchange just expanded. Their challenges will be much greater than today because the people just know if want to exchange cryptocurrency using the traditional exchange (centralization) only.

The decentralization exchange today is very appropriate because many people have been disappointed using centralization exchange because the account frozen, the money was taken away by the owner, and KYC data leak.

The eXch has priority for privacy, the User addresses cannot be tracked easily, this fits perfectly at the moment because that's what the user wants.
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