Topic: [FABLE] The Resurrection of YoBit - page 3. (Read 1885 times)

You know that's not what I'm implying. Stop trying to wring a debate out when there isn't one. YoBit induces spamming != YoBit campaign members are spammers.

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Any exchange involved in the shady act of market manipulation via pump & dumps (knowingly advertising thereof) is absolutely out of the question. I forgot about this, actually.

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It will. I'm sorry.

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Where's the enforceability, though? How do you isolate signature campaigners from people who have regular/personal signatures? How do you tackle members that state, "I'm not getting paid for this."

There is an active running referral program with Yobit, offering 20% of comission for every trade the referral makes.
Yesterday, i reported two threads of two newbie accounts (guess they are alts) in my local board.

OP of this topic deleted the body of his thread (as he can't definetly delete it) and lock it.
As the campaign has no managers, i think this user is somehow related to Yobit. (see his sent feedbacks)

This is why signture campaigns shouldn't be announced out of this forum. I mentioned this long time ago, that there must be a strict set of rules about running campaigns for both managers and participants. At least, participants spreadsheet should be publicly displayed.

Yeah, but the problem with these kind of campaigns is when they allow and pay users for that amount of posts per day they create some kind of a competition for lower quality posters so that everyone wants to reach the maximum number of posts daily to get paid more, specially when there is no quality control over who is going to get picked for these postings except I think the neg trust...

As I said before I just really hope this campaign doesn't affect posts and their contents to the point that you have to actually look for a good quality post among countless spams and shitposts.

Yobit just give opportunities to spammers. I am not saying that all participants are spammer but, most of them. They are very clever and they run new signature campaign by their exchange. They have not bothered to open new thread for their campaign. This is oppurtunity for them who are not accepted any btc signature due to spam. Seems Yobit just need rank. I don't think they are considering or maintain any quality of post. That's why most of board full by Yobit signature. However, I don't think there is any way to prevent them.

I have read the entire Signature campaign thread (as there are only few content) and I fully understood everything. Even if it's max post or not it is still a requirement. And, do you think stupid people who's after some penny will only make a single post or let us say just about 3 to 5 posts per day? I bet NOT, those people will take advantage and surely make 20 posts per day in order to receive higher payments.

I hope that I explained it well Bud.

I understand what you feel and it's good to know that you have good intentions for the forum. Everyone has a chance and I'm not forcing you to back out from joining Yobit, actually I'm not telling anyone not to join Yobit as well. Just take the risk.

Also, I didn't mention anything about scam in Yobit. Seems like you misunderstood something.

If we had a better chance, we would really join other compaigns for sure. Yobit having scam accusations didn't mean that they are really scammer.. Maybe they use '' selective scam '' but the scammed person's should shout out loud so we can hear them.. We never encourage scam and we never want to destroy our beloved Bitcointalk.. Even if I post 50 posts a day, I won't spam the forum and I will try my best to provide a good content here.. Just give us a chance to use their signature for the moment and if the other sig compaigns allows us to join and earn.. We would support em.. But many compaigns are providing unreal requirements.. We always put high efforts but no one ever gave us even 1 merit.(excuse me for being angry).. How the hell could us join good compaigns if they are putting hard requirements?.
We found out that Yobit's sig compaign is the only one gaving us that rate so we will wear the signature and support them because it's a win-win for us and for them. When talking about the fear of spamming the forum, the DT members could red-tag all the spammers if found.

Where you see the 20 posts requirement of the project. They mentioned the highest 20 posts will be count. So if you count a single post then you will be paid for that. 20 posts are maximum not minimum.

Unless you don't spam then you won't be called "Spammer". But have you guys didn't realised or notified something? Do you think 20 post per day is a good requirement for such campaign? You've been here for years but seems like you doesn't know anything about possible spam. By just observing their campaign I immediately noticed that it will only bring spam to the forum as there are no proper rules, proper requirements and designated number of participants for the campaign. Besides all of that you guys are still so proud to wear their signature.

Seeing all those red-trusted users joining the campaign, i'm afraid that the tool which kept users out of prominent campaigns (DT tagging), is going to become useless.

Knowing Yobit, and they way they operate their exchange, i really don't feel as if they deserve much of a chance.

They're a bunch of money-laundering scammers, who try to f* over anyone using their platform with useless ICO's, shittokens, frozen withdrawals/selective scamming, random coin delistings, internal server lag, pump and dumps (orchestrated by the adminstrators of the site themselves!), falsifying ticker names to defraud "ignorant" investors.. The list goes on and on.

Not to mention, they're running a LITERAL ponzi scheme on their website. https://yobit.net/en/investbox/
I thought users advertising ponzi schemes usually got tagged rather quickly?  

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EDIT: Holy shit these IEO's are a scam too. They're literal dogshit.

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They can increase their advertising efforts all they want, i am DEFINITELY not touching their exchange with a ten-feet pole.

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Not trying to moral-high horse anyone here for making a few bucks, but you got to draw a line somewhere, sometime.

Agree with you completely. I am using Yobit occasionally from last 4 years. I always get my withdrawals. Yesterday when I received their mail about campaign, I was to enthusiastic to join it. However, the daily limit of 20 posts are too much, I agree. But that's not necessary. Participants can do less than that and I am certainly ain't going to write anything above 10 a day.

When people will try to earn by creating spam post and the spam will happen for an increasing number of the post then they should be punished. Not all the participant only those people who will break forum rules should deserve a ban. And those people who will make any scam for which community will be looser then they should deserve the negative tag. So, for wearing signature of yobit participant can't deserve Negative tag until yobit proved as a scam exchange.

Just because everyone else seems to have condemned this entire campaign (and all the participants) before it has even really started... But did anyone actually bother to read the campaign ToS?


Should we not actually give them a chance to prove themselves? See if they clamp down on the shitposters/spammers... before we start threatening to tag everyone involved?

Don't get me wrong... I'm not here to promote YoBit as the poster boy for campaign management... And chances are high that there will be some shitposters/spammers striving for the 20post/day "target"... But I think YoBit deserves to be given the opportunity to  demonstrate that they are capable of running a "forum friendly" campaign before just shitlisting the campaign and all the participants.

Same goes for me here. I used yobit and I always had my money in my pocket. I don't know if the DT members will redtag me for using the signature of yobit and I am asking for a clear instruction to be made.. Maybe PM us first or let us know.. Even now.. The situation is unknown. Yobit has some issues with some customers but I was never one of them so I trust them.. About the redtag.. Don't destroy peoples made accounts please.. Let us know and give us a chance first to remove the sig. Yobit having some scam accusation is normal.. It doesn't mean that they are scammers..if the peoples prove that it is scam.. I will delete the sig immediately.

So you are saying if I wear Yobit signature, it will automatically make me spammer? Sorry but I beg to differ.

More like you saying, ok lets all watch bitcoincash try success lets not call it a shitcoin until it demonstrate some quality of a shitcoin lol. The community have to learn that coming together and taking a decision as a community will send these scammers a strong message that, "the community is strong and will always unite to make a decision". but all they see are disagreement, greediness etc in the community that's why they take advantage of these weakness. Just because the exchange haven't scam others doesn't mean it isn't a scam exchange, their actions reported by numerous users speak for them and instead of them clearing the air on these accusations what do they do, they stay mute most time not even responding to a support ticket, email or tweet.

These guys don't have the best interest of the forum at hand and the best thing the forum can do is try to discourage her members from associating with the exchange. Don't forget the more (reputed) well known higher rank users wear their signature the more confident people think of giving this exchange a chance as clearly if you're smart you can make some money off the trading of shitcoins listed on the platform but this shouldn't be encouraged, it causes more damage than good. Posting of 20 meaningful post per day isn't hard I can do that but no matter how constructive I try to be that'll just be spamming. It won't be healthy to the forum making 170 posts weekly irrespective of how constructive you try to be.

You might have changed, but others do not. I can count the number of users of which I have seen change their ways (ponzi supporter, red-trust users, or shitposters) on one hand. That's about as blunt as I can make it.

You speak from an ideal perspective. This world is not ideal.
For every user like you, there are thousands more that will refuse to change their ways. Why? Because it's easier. Because it's more profitable.

This is (in a sense) an example of survivor bias.

I don't mean about instinctly shitposters whom mostly never change their posting habit, but you know what? There are real users, whom simply don't familiar with the forum, posting shit in their first days in the forum. For those kind of users, whom have good progressive attitude to change, like me, such neutral tags might help them to realise their faults, and they will change.
My neutral tag, years ago.  
After received such neutral tag, I was shock, and collected these English books to improve.
Collections for someone who would like to improve English skills

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To conclude, neutral tags on shitposters make sense (kind of help), if you have time to do it.

I used to tag spammers. Back in January of last year. That took a horrendous amount of time and I didn't even crack 1% of the total spammers on-forum.

The neutral tag will be even less impactful and still take an equal amount of time that could be used to (instead) report posts.

Leaving neutral tag on shit posters as early warning for them is good. Shit posters sooner or later will fall into burst posting or plagiarising, so if DT members tag them with neutral trust, and leave a warning mesage for them; they will keep their shit works. Eventually, someday, if they get punishments by plagiarism or something stupid, they won't have chance to blame on anyone else. Maybe, it is one of the way old users help newbies in the forum.