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Quote from: Cryptomultiplier on September 02, 2023, 05:56:35 PM

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Quote from: _act_ on August 30, 2023, 01:52:20 AM

It is on this forum that I knew using fingerprint to unlock wallet device is not good, specifically mobile phones. We know already that we should not have too much bitcoin on a mobile wallet. Let us assume that you have little amount of bitcoin on a mobile bitcoin wallet like Electrum or Bluewallet but you still want security.

Fingerprint is not secure, what about face unlock?

If a fingerprint isn't advisable to use in unlocking a wallet device then face unlock is as well not advisable as the two are just with same risk, while you can be deep asleep someone might take advantage of the moment easily in your unconscious state of sleep. Creating a unique password for the device will be much secure bad perfect in that case.

Exactly. Why even think of using face lock in the first place, knowing that it is more open to be taken advantage of than a normal authentication would.
Barcode is good to use if you care so much about security of your BTC wallet on your device. A very good password with at least one capital letter, signs, number, punctuation, would give hackers or scammers or even AI tough time to dicipher the password.

This might be awkward to use by other people since many are worried about strange incidents might happen but if this is used by the user and properly handle in terms of security measures to avoid data leaking then this is really good added safety measures on everyone's account since no one can easily access your account unless if you say so. But for now to many skeptical about this feature so majority prefer to use finger print or pincode since they think its more convenient.

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Quote from: letteredhub on September 02, 2023, 05:05:14 PM

Quote from: _act_ on August 30, 2023, 01:52:20 AM

It is on this forum that I knew using fingerprint to unlock wallet device is not good, specifically mobile phones. We know already that we should not have too much bitcoin on a mobile wallet. Let us assume that you have little amount of bitcoin on a mobile bitcoin wallet like Electrum or Bluewallet but you still want security.

Fingerprint is not secure, what about face unlock?

If a fingerprint isn't advisable to use in unlocking a wallet device then face unlock is as well not advisable as the two are just with same risk, while you can be deep asleep someone might take advantage of the moment easily in your unconscious state of sleep. Creating a unique password for the device will be much secure bad perfect in that case.

Exactly. Why even think of using face lock in the first place, knowing that it is more open to be taken advantage of than a normal authentication would.
Barcode is good to use if you care so much about security of your BTC wallet on your device. A very good password with at least one capital letter, signs, number, punctuation, would give hackers or scammers or even AI tough time to dicipher the password.

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Face unlock can enhance device security but should not be the sole measure for securing Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies. The effectiveness of face unlock depends on the quality of the facial recognition technology, and even advanced systems can have vulnerabilities. Moreover, the overall security of the device, including a strong passcode or PIN, is crucial in preventing unauthorized access to cryptocurrency holdings.

For greater cryptocurrency security, you should try combining face unlock with additional protective measures such as strong passwords, two-factor authentication, and hardware wallets. The security of the cryptocurrency wallet itself is paramount, and a secure backup and recovery plan should always be in place. The choice of security measures should align with your risk tolerance and the value of the cryptocurrency you're safeguarding, with larger holdings warranting more robust security strategies. Relying solely on face unlock may leave your assets vulnerable to potential risks and threats.

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Quote from: _act_ on August 30, 2023, 01:52:20 AM

It is on this forum that I knew using fingerprint to unlock wallet device is not good, specifically mobile phones. We know already that we should not have too much bitcoin on a mobile wallet. Let us assume that you have little amount of bitcoin on a mobile bitcoin wallet like Electrum or Bluewallet but you still want security.

Fingerprint is not secure, what about face unlock?

If a fingerprint isn't advisable to use in unlocking a wallet device then face unlock is as well not advisable as the two are just with same risk, while you can be deep asleep someone might take advantage of the moment easily in your unconscious state of sleep. Creating a unique password for the device will be much secure bad perfect in that case.

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Quote from: ultrloa on September 02, 2023, 07:21:53 AM

Maybe he find it hassle since he will not say that if he think its good for him. I also didn't use that feature but not the same with his reason since I just don't like to use it as we can't avoid to get wound on our hands and I'm worried about if we can't use our finger print to open up our wallet. But for other its still good since this is additional security measure added for protection so if a user feel to use it then its really a good decision to do. For face unlock well I don't also use that and still doubting to try this feature.

Usually you can always use a pin code to unlock your wallet instead and you can add several fingers from both hands for the fingerprint, so even if you are wounded at several fingers or at a whole hand you will still be able to use the feature with the fingers remaining if you have registered all your fingers, and if you really can't use any of them for some reasons you can use the pin code as an alternative.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on September 01, 2023, 04:57:15 PM

Quote from: _act_ on August 30, 2023, 01:52:20 AM

It is on this forum that I knew using fingerprint to unlock wallet device is not good, specifically mobile phones. We know already that we should not have too much bitcoin on a mobile wallet. Let us assume that you have little amount of bitcoin on a mobile bitcoin wallet like Electrum or Bluewallet but you still want security.

Fingerprint is not secure, what about face unlock?

Really? Who has said that? I don't think it's a bad thing at all to use the fingerprint feature in order to unlock your hot wallet because it's very convenient and quick to use it. When you have to use your wallet several times in a day, it's boring to type your 6 or 8 digits long pin code in order to unlock your wallet and then to type again in order to send or to approve your transaction. Fingerprint safety help to keep your wallet lock when you're not using it without any extra boring thing to do.

Maybe he find it hassle since he will not say that if he think its good for him. I also didn't use that feature but not the same with his reason since I just don't like to use it as we can't avoid to get wound on our hands and I'm worried about if we can't use our finger print to open up our wallet. But for other its still good since this is additional security measure added for protection so if a user feel to use it then its really a good decision to do. For face unlock well I don't also use that and still doubting to try this feature.

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Quote from: _act_ on August 30, 2023, 01:52:20 AM

It is on this forum that I knew using fingerprint to unlock wallet device is not good, specifically mobile phones. We know already that we should not have too much bitcoin on a mobile wallet. Let us assume that you have little amount of bitcoin on a mobile bitcoin wallet like Electrum or Bluewallet but you still want security.

Fingerprint is not secure, what about face unlock?

Really? Who has said that? I don't think it's a bad thing at all to use the fingerprint feature in order to unlock your hot wallet because it's very convenient and quick to use it. When you have to use your wallet several times in a day, it's boring to type your 6 or 8 digits long pin code in order to unlock your wallet and then to type again in order to send or to approve your transaction. Fingerprint safety help to keep your wallet lock when you're not using it without any extra boring thing to do.

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Quote from: _act_ on August 30, 2023, 01:52:20 AM

Fingerprint is not secure, what about face unlock?

Well I don't know and can't say fir sure but I don't think it's advisable to use any of this because I could remember sometime ago when my face could unlock my brothers phone mostly in not too bright environment and lf my face could unlock his phone then I think it could still unlock his wallet if he uses it as a means of privacy.
Well I don't think we should be worried about all of this, and the best way to stay safe is simply using a secure password rather than trying to make things easier with either face recognition or finger print because most times I see typing of long passwords as dutiful.

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Look, I can never rely on face IDs detections dude ... If biometrics aren't fallible, then I'm I supposed to be left with no other options than embracing the face detections? Which, in turns can possibly be manipulated??...lol
I totally agree with omegascreams - it's best to choose some random codes, conjugate some more letters and symbols altogether - in a form you can preserve permanently in your Treasury (preferably with cold wallets) ... As long as your keys aren't lost, your coins are save!!

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Quote from: NotATether on August 31, 2023, 05:32:44 AM

Maybe it can happen with fingerprint recognition too, I don't know. But so far I have not seen that happen.

If the face recognition is possible I doubt if we don't get to hear a case where there is a match for fingerprint too but to the best of my knowledge the only time I think someone's mobile phone that is secured with a fingerprint can be access is either when the person is held at gun point or probably when the person's fingers are used to unlock the phone when he or she is unaware(sleeping). I think the best idea concerning the security of assets is to avoid using the mobile phones where important information and portfolio are kept to move around then have a stronger password to the phone or laptop where important details are kept at home in a hidden place.

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Quote from: _act_ on August 30, 2023, 07:04:43 AM

I take the picture of myself but it does not work, using AI or anything like that will likely fail.

You should read this two sites below:
1. https://fortune.com/2018/11/28/artificial-intelligence-fingerprints-security/
2. https://analyticsindiamag.com/how-to-fool-facial-recognition-systems/

Quote from: _act_ on August 30, 2023, 02:54:37 PM

I do not understand what you are saying. You first said that face unlock can be manipulated in a way someone's photo can be used to unlock the device. Later you said using it with a long password is good. If someone phone is stolen with the long password phone, the person photo can still be used to unlock the device. Which means it is not good to use face unlock.

Everything has a risk.

If you think it's better for centralized entity to keep your password, since you can't keep safe your password alone, you will think non custodial wallet is bad as you don't have any way to recover your coins, in case you lose your seed phrase.

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Quote from: _act_ on August 30, 2023, 01:52:20 AM

It is on this forum that I knew using fingerprint to unlock wallet device is not good, specifically mobile phones. We know already that we should not have too much bitcoin on a mobile wallet. Let us assume that you have little amount of bitcoin on a mobile bitcoin wallet like Electrum or Bluewallet but you still want security.

Fingerprint is not secure, what about face unlock?

Neither fingerprint nor face unlock is secured. They have too many flaws. A family member with the same facial feature and resemblance as you can gain access to your wallet through the face unlock . As most security experts have warned, biometrics shouldn't be used alone. They should be used in addition to an authenticator which makes it quite difficult hack. Say after you have used a your face to unlock then you enter an authenticator code. Something that is very difficult to replicate.

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Quote from: _act_ on August 30, 2023, 01:52:20 AM

It is on this forum that I knew using fingerprint to unlock wallet device is not good, specifically mobile phones. We know already that we should not have too much bitcoin on a mobile wallet. Let us assume that you have little amount of bitcoin on a mobile bitcoin wallet like Electrum or Bluewallet but you still want security.

Fingerprint is not secure, what about face unlock?

Face unlock on most android devices is also not secure and the authentication/security/authoriser is often on the UI level, not directly integrated into how keys are managed or how users accounts are accessed. So I'd say, it does have some security promises but it does guarantee to fill most of the security check list.

At the end of the day, mobile wallets are simply wallets to be used on the go aka "hot wallets" and shouldn't be used as primary storage device for sensitive details.

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As bad security or not, I use all the security methods mentioned like face unlock, fingerprint, 2FA and security via SMS. But the main security thing you need to pay attention to is how you secure the device used to store crypto or as a personal wallet. I only have a mobile wallet that contains several assets and the main assets still use Ledger wallet hardware with better double security. The security of devices and wallets is the responsibility of each user, so don't be careless in doing all kinds of things related to wallets and other sensitive access.

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Quote from: _act_ on August 30, 2023, 01:52:20 AM

It is on this forum that I knew using fingerprint to unlock wallet device is not good, specifically mobile phones. We know already that we should not have too much bitcoin on a mobile wallet. Let us assume that you have little amount of bitcoin on a mobile bitcoin wallet like Electrum or Bluewallet but you still want security.

Fingerprint is not secure, what about face unlock?

The traditional methods are more convenient according to me and same goes with face unlock as we have discussed in biometric related posts.What if you have to undergo any surgery that make it impossible for your wallet to recognize you? There are many possibilities for it so we should have the passwords as a backup and that could help you as additional security but not the way to go with your wallet safety I would also say.

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Quote from: _act_ on August 30, 2023, 01:52:20 AM

It is on this forum that I knew using fingerprint to unlock wallet device is not good, specifically mobile phones.
Fingerprint is not secure, what about face unlock?

I recognised the risks fingerprint security poses by myself, so I've been careful about it. It could only help in faster opening of wallets and confirming transactions, but anyone can still access it while you sleep, being drugged/hypnotized or under duress. This is why I do not keep any substantial amount in my wallet/account that is fingerprint-enabled.

For the face unlock, it's even worse since no bodily contact is needed for it to be open or confirm your transaction. You might risk a small amount with fingerprint and still do other 2FA security in addition. But certainly not for face unlock. I don't know the reason why they created it in the first place.

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It’s a big no, no for me. Using face unlock on mobile devices is a bad idea due to its potential security risks. It might offer convenience but it lacks the level of security provided by traditional passcodes or fingerprint recognition. Face unlock can be easily fooled by using a photo or video of the user making it less reliable for protecting sensitive info. If someone gains unauthorised access to your device they can potentially unlock it by simply pointing it towards your face compromising your privacy.

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Quote from: _act_ on August 30, 2023, 01:52:20 AM

It is on this forum that I knew using fingerprint to unlock wallet device is not good, specifically mobile phones. We know already that we should not have too much bitcoin on a mobile wallet. Let us assume that you have little amount of bitcoin on a mobile bitcoin wallet like Electrum or Bluewallet but you still want security.

Fingerprint is not secure, what about face unlock?

Fingerprint is not safe, your device having the finger print reader to unlock your wallet may malfunction and begin to accept fingerprints that are not even yours, in extreme cases, your fingerprint can be copied, cloned and reproduced for use to beat your fingerprint security.

Face unlock is worse too because asides the fact that it can also malfunction, it is not the best option for every person. For instance, facial unlock may not be able to tell the difference between two very identical twins with very similar facial features, and your wallet may now become accessible to your identical twin.

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In my opinion, using a face ID on a Bitcoin wallet or even just for unlocking your device is very risky because it's easy to unlock your device with just a few seconds of looking at your phone. Someone can just forcefully pick up your phone and place it on your face, and it's going to unlock. My question is, what if it's a thief that just ceases you, collects your phone, and while you are ceased, he or she can just force you to look at your phone to unlock your wallet while they access your funds? For me, it's not really cool to use face ID or even finger prints to lock your Mobil Bitcoin wallet. Even while you are sleeping, your phone can be unlocked if it is positioned in front of your face. Even some experienced old members of this forum, like o_e_l_e_o, who mostly talks about security, would not support these security measures because you have a higher chance of losing your asset to thieves.

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Fingerprint is not secure, what about face unlock?
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Face unlock on Bitcoin wallet devices is generally less secure than traditional methods like hardware keys or strong passwords. Face unlock systems can sometimes be tricked by photos, videos, or even 3D models of your face, leading to false positives. If not implemented properly, face unlock can become a security risk. If an attacker gains access to a high-quality image of your face, they might be able to unlock your wallet. Also facial recognition can be vulnerable to spoofing and may not provide the same level of protection against unauthorized access. It's recommended to prioritize more secure authentication methods for safeguarding your Bitcoin holdings.

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