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I believe that using face unlock adds an effective layer of security especially when we are talking about the use of a small amount of BTC on your phone. IMO the optimal approach involves employing two separate apps on your phone for conducting transactions, thus enhancing security. The first app would be utilized for creating the transaction, while the second one would serve to confirm the transaction using a different code. I'm curious to know if there's a wallet with this kind of functionality available for phones.

To be honest, I haven't used a Bitcoin wallet on my phone so I have no idea if that's available.

However, I believe that if your phone maintains a high level of security and you refrain from installing suspicious software on your device, utilizing face ID to unlock your app should provide a good protection so far.

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I actually use FaceID for all of my wallets and applications, I feel like it's secure and can only be accessed by me. No way anyone is able to make a replicate of me as FaceID by Apple is a very advanced and fairly tested methodology and it should be by default used and suggested to users with any money related application rather it be a Banking App or A Crypto Wallet. Exchanges are also using this for 2FA on login which is great. Fingerprints are outdated and I don't think that is reliable as most of the smartphones no longer have finger scan.

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Even with facial recognition which is already integrated into our smartphones, I have never preferred using it as a method of security in my device because I feel insecure with it let alone using it in my mobile wallet where I have some funds in it, someone can easily scan your face even when you are sleeping or get access by other methods to compromise your wallet, I'm ok with high secured password.

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Iny own opinion finger print and face lock should be put under the same category of security measures and they should share same positivity and negativity as well, they both require the use of the owner to unlock the device but finger print requires physical contact.

I haven't use anyone of them ever since I had a glitch and my friend was able to use his finger print to unlock my device although this happened once but that once could easily have spelt doom if it was the wrong person, so I don't advice finger or face lock security.

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In my opinion fingerprints are safer than face unlock security, fingerprints are difficult to back up when your cellphone is stolen or taken by someone who knows you, while face unlock can still be manipulated with your photo. Each individual has a different way of choosing wallet security, some prefer using complex passwords with different characters, face unlock security and fingerprint security.

Choosing the level of security on your wallet needs to be considered when you are pressed, have a serious accident, or are exposed to water containing chemical compounds (sulphuric acid) which results in your face being damaged, memory loss or forgetfulness. However, fingerprint security remains safe unless one of the fingers used is broken or amputated, but this incident is very rare.

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Quote from: _act_ on August 30, 2023, 01:52:20 AM

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Fingerprint is not secure, what about face unlock?

OT- It reminds me of an incident that occurred recently while transacting with my normal bank app, I enabled confirming transaction with my Face ID which means as soon as I input the amount I wanted to send and click on “ok” instead of inputting my bank pin I’d have to just use my face and it happened that I added an extra “0” to the money that I was supposed to send and as soon as I clicked okay it got confirmed with my face although I was later refunded the extra because I knew the person.

Now look at it from the angle, once someone is able to gain access to your phone all they have to do is to place it in front of your face and they’ll have access to your account and do whatever that they want to do without having to force your passcode from you. To me I won’t enable it in my wallet even if the option is made available to me.

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Quote from: _act_ on August 30, 2023, 01:52:20 AM

It is on this forum that I knew using fingerprint to unlock wallet device is not good, specifically mobile phones. We know already that we should not have too much bitcoin on a mobile wallet. Let us assume that you have little amount of bitcoin on a mobile bitcoin wallet like Electrum or Bluewallet but you still want security.

Fingerprint is not secure, what about face unlock?

They are almost thesame because don't be surprised that when you're sleeping someone can just have access to your phone and place the phone right to your face to get unlocked, any security measures that does not work with how we can secure our private keys is less effective, using password, biometrics or face unlocked features are just device and apps sensitive, they don't secure our funds on the wallet, if they have any of our private keys, they don't need the apps security measures we use before they can steal from us, using a centralized exchange, hot or mobile wallets and applying a security means on them is not secured by any way at all, we are already vulnerable no matter the security measures we take on them.

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I wouldn't use something what can be easily duplicated. Just look at the world. We are in the era of AI. We can make anything with just a piece of information. Face unlock! Seriously? I think it's the worst kind of security. I wouldn't dare use something like that. We can even make our face look like what we would be like in 10 years. These are just surface level threats. & the real question is do we really need it? I don't think so. The best security is being offline. If we could make a fully offline device then it would be the most secure. (Which I think we already have)

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Fingerprint is more secured than face recognition methods to unlocking your smartphones, and all together, it's not safe to rely on both when you have some Bitcoin in your mobile wallet, it's better to invest on a hardware wallet and move your Bitcoin out of your mobile wallet into the hardware wallet.

Mobile wallets are good for daily transactions and I only leave some few hundreds in dollars worth of Bitcoin on such wallets, even if something happens it's just $100+ worth of Bitcoin anyway.

Some people are trying so hard to avoid investing on a hardware wallet, my advice is it's not worth the risk, hardware wallet is the best place to keep your Bitcoin for long term, forget face ID locks and fingerprint security.

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Quote from: avp2306 on August 30, 2023, 02:22:01 AM

Do we really need it? For me not necessary needed to have.

This is only fun for me, I was expecting such replies, the best are pin and password.

Quote from: avp2306 on August 30, 2023, 02:22:01 AM

Since you just need to secure your wallet and for that nothing will happen to you. If you are afraid on your balance stored because you are participating on many investment or other risky actions then try to have separate device and have dummy wallet since from doing this I'm sure that you are much secured for any hackings or other more attacks.

It would be better to make an airgapped device and use a wallet you generated on it. If you can not do that, get yourself a hardware wallet for huge amount of coins to hold.

Quote from: Despairo on August 30, 2023, 02:36:15 AM

I'd say anything that involved with human creature is never be safe since there's a risk involved like lost finger, maturity etc that can change your current body. There's also a risk about privacy since the software will record everything. Someone who can get the information can use AI or create 3D version and then use 3D print generator to create same alike person.

I take the picture of myself but it does not work, using AI or anything like that will likely fail.

Findingnemo post has talked about the most important thing, I too have heard before that a brother was able to unlock his brother phone with face unlike with his face which is what I see to be more reason we should not use face unlock as a security.

Another reason is that if the person is compromised, only what that is needed to unlock his phone is his face for easy entry.

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If you are talking about iOS 3D Face Id then it's technically safer than fingerprint, the case is different with 2D face ID in most of android phone is not better or in some case it's less secure than fingerprint. But I wouldn't recommend using solely biometric security for any wallet, the biometric data still can be stolen. Use multiple layers of security, Password, App Generated 2FA, email generated 2FA, if a lot of money is stored in a mobile wallet, then I wouldn't hesitate to use all of those security, tho I rarely store many fund in my mobile wallet.

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Quote from: _act_ on August 30, 2023, 01:52:20 AM

Fingerprint is not secure, what about face unlock?

If you have enough bitcoins that an attacker purposefully wants to get exactly them, in my opinion it is better not to have any protection methods that are personally tied to you. Because then there is a higher risk that an attacker will not only steal the funds, but also harm you in order to gain access to them. For me, it's better if they try to guess the password than cut off my fingers.

As for the accidental loss of the phone, I would say that a regular password is enough. It is unlikely to be hacked quickly anyway, and as soon as you discover the loss, you will have time to transfer all funds to a new, not compromised address.

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Quote from: _act_ on August 30, 2023, 01:52:20 AM

Fingerprint is not secure, what about face unlock?

Both finger prints and those of face unlock are entirely unsecure, especially on a device that contains your wallet holdings. Password combinations have always been proven to be the best means of security.

Face unlock and that of finger print are just fast means of unlocking one's device, saving you the stress of not typing your passwords from beginning to end, but what has an advantage has a high disadvantage most times. Unless one activates both fingerprint and face unlock on their device, they should never give it access to their wallets. Wallets always make it optional, not a compulsory or mandatory kind of thing.

You can have finger print and face unlock but still not use them on your wallet app, and you can only use your wallet combination pin to access your wallet combination. But if phone security is compromised, it's only a matter of time before the wallet becomes compromised, as with a phone password, anything can be activated and modified.

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I had the opportunity to log in to my laptop almost 15 years ago using facial recognition technology, and I gave it up very quickly because it caused me more problems than benefits, and after that I never used such a method of protection on a smartphone. I agree that this method is even less secure than fingerprint protection, but also both methods can be very easily abused in various situations. Whether it is a physical attack in which the attacker will unlock your device without any problems, or one of your family members will use your face or finger while you are sleeping and peek into your device.

When it comes to mobile wallets, we always have the option of additional protection for each app on the device with a PIN or additional password, so that even if someone manages to unlock the device, they still cannot access our wallet without additional actions.

Therefore, I would recommend for everyone who uses Android to additionally protect all apps that contain sensitive information - and information on how to do this on different devices can be found at the following link -> How to Lock Apps on Android Phones in 2023.

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The name tells us the details that it is Face unlock, meaning that it is at the same level as locking the application using a password or fingerprint, but Face makes customizing the wallet unlock linked to a few users.

The words unlock and lock do not mean encrypting the wallet, hackers can easily steal your money completely if you locked the application with a password, but it protects you from physical attacks if your device is stolen.
Encrypting the wallet with a password provides a layer of security so that even if hackers gain access to a device, they still need the password to be able to spend coins.

Privacy Warning: Pictures of your face may be taken, stored and sent to different servers, so activating the face lock option is bad for privacy.

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Quote from: _act_ on August 30, 2023, 01:52:20 AM

Let us assume that you have little amount of bitcoin on a mobile bitcoin wallet like Electrum or Bluewallet but you still want security.

Then use a strong password.
A highly secure password provides excellent level of security against unauthorized access and does not need to be supported by bio-metric security like face unlock or finger print.

Security is more about what practices you use than the wallet security itself. If you click on random links, download from unverified source and you do not verify the signature (https://bitcoinelectrum.com/how-to-verify-your-electrum-download/), or you adopt other unsafe practices, you will get hacked notwithstanding what security access system you use.

P.S. Both face ID and finger print are terrible for safety.

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Quote from: _act_ on August 30, 2023, 01:52:20 AM

Fingerprint is not secure, what about face unlock?

With biometrics lock, unlock you will have an ace under your sleeve like a password, pin code to unlock your mobile phones when biometrics does not work.

Biometrics or password, pin code only lock your phone access, it does not lock /encrypt your wallet file. It does not directly protect your wallet file.

With wallet file, always use strong password to protect its access and your bitcoin.

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Quote from: _act_ on August 30, 2023, 01:52:20 AM

It is on this forum that I knew using fingerprint to unlock wallet device is not good, specifically mobile phones. We know already that we should not have too much bitcoin on a mobile wallet. Let us assume that you have little amount of bitcoin on a mobile bitcoin wallet like Electrum or Bluewallet but you still want security.

Fingerprint is not secure, what about face unlock?

The bad thing about the face and fingerprint to unlock your wallet is if your mobile phone has been compromise, and there is a malware this could steal those fingerprint and face info that is store in your mobile phone, another thing is if your wallet is set to fingerprint what if something happen to your hand or face, remember that it will not recognize since there is damage, also I have tried before on other facial I'm not sure about other security that uses face recognition but picture does work, but i have tried it before and it works.
Also i recommend that never use your phone as wallet for bitcoin, too dangerous specially android.
But if other users really want to use mobile, there is always a risk on what we do, all we can do is lessen those things that will compromise our wallet.

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I'd say anything that involved with human creature is never be safe since there's a risk involved like lost finger, maturity etc that can change your current body. There's also a risk about privacy since the software will record everything. Someone who can get the information can use AI or create 3D version and then use 3D print generator to create same alike person.

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In this case I prefer the fingerprint sensor security than the face unlock security, anything might happen to the investor things like an accidents that might cause the damages of hes or her face and if anything happens the person's face the wallet will never opens again because the face has changed structure maybe from right to left Grin

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Fingerprints can be somhow good because any Bitcoin wallet that have fingerprints features you can add more than one finger like one from right and the other from left.

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