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Topic: {Facts} Disadvantage of promoting scam signature campaigns that encourage spam. (Read 1726 times)

sr. member
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This thread brings me back to the days when you were still climbing the ranks. Look at how far you've come! Smiley
Just stumbled this and it does need a bump from time to time probably best post coming from a good manager who knows how to pick the right participants in a campaign, bounty participants  should take time to adsorb what's on it, it will surely going to help you in your campaign as bounty participants
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This thread brings me back to the days when you were still climbing the ranks. Look at how far you've come! Smiley
legendary
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If someone forced to meet high number of posts every week then chances of a good poster slipping from their quality posting behaviour to meet such requirements but having 25 or 30 will not be a problem for a poster to reach every week but number of post doesn't alone set the quality of a campaign if they have no restrictions to join in their campaigns.
Cryptotalk participants aren't forced to meet any requirements, there is just a maximum payout of 10 posts per day(And it isn't compulsory to make), which they would pay for, and I do not think that is too much, I can comfortably make ten posts a day without the slightest hint of being called a spammer.

Some campaigns require 25-30 posts per week to get paid, but cryptotalk participant could make 10 post a week and still get paid, what this shows is, it's not the campaign that's solely to blame, users can decide to be spammers whether they are on cryptotalk or not, it just happens so many(spammers)are on that very campaign as the number(participants)is so high.

Yes, there are no restrictions to join the campaign, but yahoo with the effort of the community are breathing down the necks of the spammers, you can join in on the act by reporting a spam post when you see one.  
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Turns you into a spammer
You have to admit that even some top members of the forum has joined campaigns in the past where they have to make a high number of posts but one thing I love about the Cryptotalk campaign is that it does not require you to meet a certain number of posts before you are paid, so if you are not a spammer, you can just make the amount of quality posts you can without having to spam the forum.

So my point is that If you are someone who has a healthy respect for this forum, then you would avoid the pull of greed and do the right thing at all times, I don't think a campaign could turn a good poster into a spammer unless that person makes a conscious decision to spam.
If someone forced to meet high number of posts every week then chances of a good poster slipping from their quality posting behaviour to meet such requirements but having 25 or 30 will not be a problem for a poster to reach every week but number of post doesn't alone set the quality of a campaign if they have no restrictions to join in their campaigns.
sr. member
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Turns you into a spammer
You have to admit that even some top members of the forum has joined campaigns in the past where they have to make a high number of posts but one thing I love about the Cryptotalk campaign is that it does not require you to meet a certain number of posts before you are paid, so if you are not a spammer, you can just make the amount of quality posts you can without having to spam the forum.

So my point is that If you are someone who has a healthy respect for this forum, then you would avoid the pull of greed and do the right thing at all times, I don't think a campaign could turn a good poster into a spammer unless that person makes a conscious decision to spam.
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The quality of the participants post is the next issue to resolve and that can only happen if a manager is been given control over who joins the campaign and posts been eligible for payment.
Yes,cryptotalk is still open for the new participants as far as I know but they may not last long since yahoo and other members were hunting the spammers and the list of banned participants keeps increasing everyday.

IMO,the crypotalk will not going to promote their forum here for very long time since already they got lot of topics,threads which will be convincing enough to run bounties for other projects in cryptotalk.
legendary
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Considering the recent change in number of post eligible for payment daily, the campaigns is heading towards the right direction since a total of just 70 post weekly is the maximum that can be produced by each individual which isn't quite different from other campaign on the forum considering the amount Cryptotalk is paying for that amount.

I totally agree that a step has been taken in the right direction with a reduction in the number of maximum posts, but there is still a big problem with the number of participants that was 531 5 days ago. I think this is something that should definitely change, because regardless of control this campaign is currently the largest source of spam.

What's wrong with campaigns like this is the desire to get as much visibility in as little time as possible. The question is how long the whole thing can take, but obviously, for now, there is enough money to continue such a massive campaign.
legendary
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The quality of the participants post is the next issue to resolve and that can only happen if a manager is been given control over who joins the campaign and posts been eligible for payment.
I think that issue has also been handled, as far as I know Yahoo has been in charge of the campaign for some weeks now and the changes are visible all and around the forum.

cryptotalk is a very attractive campaign pay wise and I think they would not have had this much issue and eyebrows raised if they had hired a good manager at the initial time, they had to be banned before they could understand that the forum has rules, and they rightly adjusted.

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I absolutely agree that it all seems pretty annoying, a large number of posts and a very small percentage of quality posts really pollute the forum to some extent. What any user of this forum can do is report such posts to moderators, or directly to the campaign manager. All other decisions are in a higher instance, so if they think the current situation is OK, then there is no choice but to adapt.

Considering the recent change in number of post eligible for payment daily, the campaigns is heading towards the right direction since a total of just 70 post weekly is the maximum that can be produced by each individual which isn't quite different from other campaign on the forum considering the amount Cryptotalk is paying for that amount.

I know of two campaign paying far less for 60 post so i guess the issue of post numbers has been resolved. The quality of the participants post is the next issue to resolve and that can only happen if a manager is been given control over who joins the campaign and posts been eligible for payment.
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Yup, but don't you find them pretty annoying too? We browse the forum for genuine conversations, only to see necroposts or the same thing over and over.

I absolutely agree that it all seems pretty annoying, a large number of posts and a very small percentage of quality posts really pollute the forum to some extent. What any user of this forum can do is report such posts to moderators, or directly to the campaign manager. All other decisions are in a higher instance, so if they think the current situation is OK, then there is no choice but to adapt.

In addition to everything else mentioned in the OP, I think that the long-term consequences should also be taken into account. YoBit is a very problematic exchange, and although indirectly, it is promoted in a very aggressive and powerful way. There will come a time when some will lose money as a result of promoting such forum/exchange, will anyone take responsibility for that?
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It's actually a fine line between what can be classified as spam, or posting without reading previous posts which results in repetitive posting. I notice many of them do not pay any attention to anything, only number of posts is important.

Yup, but don't you find them pretty annoying too? We browse the forum for genuine conversations, only to see necroposts or the same thing over and over.

While these don't fall under spam, they get old pretty quickly.
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UserU, this stems from the fact that this campaign has more than 500 participants which luckily are now only paid for 10 posts daily, so in theory, this could mean 5000 new posts every day or 35 000 on a weekly basis. Regardless of control many participants still generate spam in the eyes of many users of this forum.

It's actually a fine line between what can be classified as spam, or posting without reading previous posts which results in repetitive posting. I notice many of them do not pay any attention to anything, only number of posts is important.
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It's been disturbing lately that whenever I come across a shitpost, 90% it comes from a Cryptotalk user.

Thankfully yahoo's making radical changes so hopefully we see less spam from this campaign.
legendary
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I presume this is largely inspired by Yobit's resurrection. Thing is though apart from a few exceptions none of its participants would stand a hope in hell of getting into any other campaign. They've managed to prove that within a couple of days.

They're going to hang themselves. I'm sure you can take it on without being hopeless but you'll need to be conscious of a lot of people watching you closely.
Yobit is actually out again with expected post of 20 max daily and they expect no spam, They think they can control spam even with their high rank member requirements?

Initially, the high ranked members criteria should have given them less spam compared to when they did allow lower ranked users and beside they have hired a well reputed manager with years of experience to tackle the quality of post of the campaign although one factor they refused to put into consideration was the minimum merit earned by users been accepted into the campaign this would had prevented dormant account from enrolling.

Best method to prevent or reduce spam would be to give the signature manager the ability to accept quality participants into the campaign that way spammers won't be given the opportunity to spam and get paid.
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maybe with this thread, we can save few members through reconsidering their decision of joining those campaigns after reading these disadvantages.

I presume this is largely inspired by Yobit's resurrection. Thing is though apart from a few exceptions none of its participants would stand a hope in hell of getting into any other campaign. They've managed to prove that within a couple of days.

They're going to hang themselves. I'm sure you can take it on without being hopeless but you'll need to be conscious of a lot of people watching you closely.
Yobit is actually out again with expected post of 20 max daily and they expect no spam, They think they can control spam even with their high rank member requirements?
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legendary
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I was invited to join yobit's signature campaign program, but I was not eligible to participate. I see that they set the rule of maximum 20 post / day, if there are about 1,000 people participating in this campaign, the forum will have to suffer 20,000 spam messages every day. What is the measure for this?
They finally hired a good campaign manager to control the major spam. His job is to check what the users are doing and ban these that are abusing the system to f*ck the forum and earn while doing it.

His list of banned users: List of banned participants in the Cryptotalk Campaign
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I was invited to join yobit's signature campaign program, but I was not eligible to participate. I see that they set the rule of maximum 20 post / day, if there are about 1,000 people participating in this campaign, the forum will have to suffer 20,000 spam messages every day. What is the measure for this?
legendary
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and what is even more funny, you are advertising forum that wants to be competition to bitcointalk.

I don't think the adminstrators or members of Bitcointalk has a problem with this, they aren't scared because in the past, similar platform have tried dethroning Bitcointalk but couldn't success. The problem they should be concerned with, is the level of spam they'll be tacking over the couple of few weeks this campaign will be active. I just went through the list of signature participants and I must say, I'm not impressed. Maybe in the coming few weeks more quality members will engage with the campaign without spamming the forum.

What make a signature campaign stand out apart from the obvious which is their payrate, is the level/number of quality participants participating in that campaign. The campaign already have a quality, well reputed manager, what's left now is quality of posts from participates.
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What about Yobit, they are incentivising spamming behaviour with setting cap at 20 posts per day. If they are interested in quality, cap would be much lower, but instead they decided to do the opposite. They are the key.

So no wonder that majority of participants are spammers, just look at this list

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/yobitcryptotalk-signature-campaign-participants-5188149
The good thing though is that there is no minimum post each day or each week. Yobit already asked for suggestions before which suggests that they are interested in quality. That is the reason why it's being managed by a reputable manager now.

If you see someone who you think is spamming or bursting post, you can always report it to the manager and they be ban if proven. Check the list of already banned participants below.
List of banned participants in the Cryptotalk Campaign
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