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Topic: {Facts} Disadvantage of promoting scam signature campaigns that encourage spam. - page 2. (Read 1797 times)

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I just used this thread as an opportunity to highlight some disadvantage you should definitely consider before joining any campaign, If you can handle posting high number of posts without spamming then you can go ahead.



The key thing is good posters are able to handle their greediness to hunt for maximum money with max post number.

What about Yobit, they are incentivising spamming behaviour with setting cap at 20 posts per day. If they are interested in quality, cap would be much lower, but instead they decided to do the opposite. They are the key.

So no wonder that majority of participants are spammers, just look at this list

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/yobitcryptotalk-signature-campaign-participants-5188149

The campaign now has a manager, I think there won't be much spammers in the near future. The maximum is 20 but there is no minimum, you get paid even for a single post. What incentives spam is not the maximum number of posts by day but the lack of a good campaign manager, if the maximum os low people could just use shills to post more.

Before start of this campaign you werent active for 10 months, and now suddenly you have urge to write here? You see this forum only as source of income, and what is even more funny, you are advertising forum that wants to be competition to bitcointalk.
legendary
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I just used this thread as an opportunity to highlight some disadvantage you should definitely consider before joining any campaign, If you can handle posting high number of posts without spamming then you can go ahead.



The key thing is good posters are able to handle their greediness to hunt for maximum money with max post number.

What about Yobit, they are incentivising spamming behaviour with setting cap at 20 posts per day. If they are interested in quality, cap would be much lower, but instead they decided to do the opposite. They are the key.

So no wonder that majority of participants are spammers, just look at this list

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/yobitcryptotalk-signature-campaign-participants-5188149

The campaign now has a manager, I think there won't be much spammers in the near future. The maximum is 20 but there is no minimum, you get paid even for a single post. What incentives spam is not the maximum number of posts by day but the lack of a good campaign manager, if the maximum os low people could just use shills to post more.
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I just used this thread as an opportunity to highlight some disadvantage you should definitely consider before joining any campaign, If you can handle posting high number of posts without spamming then you can go ahead.

The key thing is good posters are able to handle their greediness to hunt for maximum money with max post number.

What about Yobit, they are incentivising spamming behaviour with setting cap at 20 posts per day. If they are interested in quality, cap would be much lower, but instead they decided to do the opposite. They are the key.

So no wonder that majority of participants are spammers, just look at this list

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/yobitcryptotalk-signature-campaign-participants-5188149
legendary
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The key thing is good posters are able to handle their greediness to hunt for maximum money with max post number. There are some campaigns that have max weekly posts at 50 or 60, and I saw there are many participants don't fullfill max posts.

They usually have a higher pay rate per post, especially if you compare it with Yobit rate. So, missing five posts or so won't give them that much difference. Which is why, a campaign like Yobit tends to increase the spamming from users because they need to get 140 posts a week to get the full payment (around 0.01 BTC or so, isn't it?).

Not saying that Yobit participants == spammers, just to highlight that a good manager is really needed to prevent them from going out of the line.
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I just used this thread as an opportunity to highlight some disadvantage you should definitely consider before joining any campaign, If you can handle posting high number of posts without spamming then you can go ahead.
It is max post counted per day only, and participants must not fullfill exactly 20 posts per day to be paid. There are always two types of posters: bad and good. Good posters will do know when they must stop posting, when they don't see reasons to make posts. Personally, if I don't see interesting topics or interesting discussions, I will not make posts.

The key thing is good posters are able to handle their greediness to hunt for maximum money with max post number. There are some campaigns that have max weekly posts at 50 or 60, and I saw there are many participants don't fullfill max posts. This thing can happen with Yobit campaign too, especially from now on posts will be checked quality before being eligible for payments.
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Yobit is back to start witch hunt Smiley Joke aside, I think as long as it does not create spam, everyone should be able to carry the signature. But I think the dynamics of the forum will still not allow it.

Exactly, I'm not discouraging anyone from joining any campaign of their choice, joining a campaign is a privilege and if you can handle that privilege without abusing it then you're free to go ahead joining any campaign of your chosen. The current yobit associated signature campaign now have a reputed manager in the person of @yahoo62278 which is a positive signs since spam will now be moderated by him.

I just used this thread as an opportunity to highlight some disadvantage you should definitely consider before joining any campaign, If you can handle posting high number of posts without spamming then you can go ahead.
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Yobit is back to start witch hunt Smiley Joke aside, I think as long as it does not create spam, everyone should be able to carry the signature. But I think the dynamics of the forum will still not allow it.
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But I have seen you OP applying for a fix rated bounty campaigns that pays BTC. In my own opinion being into a signature campaign doea not mean that it will make you a spammer and yes I agree with you that it has more risk than joining bounty campaign that only requires one to meet minimum requirements when posting in the forum for ads weekly to receive stakes.

However, it may seems that there are more users joining signature campaign that pays token than pays fix rated through btc. More spammers could be found altcoins,bounties altcoins section so this should be closely monitored by BM to put a stop or remove the user if a certain user spam.in the forum.
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2. Join campaigns with flexible requirements and not strict ones
Some campaigns will require you to have a minimum number of posts and you need to post discussing a certain topic.  By having this type of campaign, you will run out of ideas and you will soon have spams because you just want to meet the requirements.  Better join campaigns with low minimum number of posts and no limitation to the topic that you want to discuss.
There are always required minimum posts per week, and accepted boards from campaigns. Because they pay their funds for campaigns, so they need to get some kind of effects, that in turn force them to require mininum posts per week and specific boards to get their expected effects. That is why gambling sites' campaigns ask for 5 (usually) post in Gambling per week to be paid. It is sure that applicants have to self-assess their ability and their available time to make posts to meed campaigns' requirements before applying. In addition, there are some paid-per-post campaign with very high maximum-post-count, that likely cause spamming. Like what occured with Yobit weeks ago. Personally, I don't join such campaign, and 10 to 15 posts per day look like acceptable figure. Good campaigns mostly reject to pay for burst-posts
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Below are some disadvantage;


[1]: Turns you into a spammer:
[2]: Reduces your chances of getting merited:
[3]: Gets you blacklisted by most reputed managers:
[4]: Ruin your reputation on forum:
[5]: Increase the possibility of getting banned:
[6]: Reduces potential improvements on crypto knowledge:

I think being part of signature campaigns will not automatically make you a spammer or anything related above.  Yet, I do agree on the fact that you will have a higher risk of experiencing one of the things mentioned above.

In order to prevent such risks, I always apply the following:

1. Join campaigns that are same with your advocacy

I mostly join campaigns related to innovation to protect the environment (because I am a nature-lover myself and I think that we really need to make a stand on this issue).  By joining a campaign that you are interested into, you will have the drive to engage with meaningful discussions with other member.

2. Join campaigns with flexible requirements and not strict ones

Some campaigns will require you to have a minimum number of posts and you need to post discussing a certain topic.  By having this type of campaign, you will run out of ideas and you will soon have spams because you just want to meet the requirements.  Better join campaigns with low minimum number of posts and no limitation to the topic that you want to discuss.
legendary
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@OP:

But ofcourse there is no absolute in anything. There is also middle ground as in sometimes you just have few words to say and that is different.

That's fine by the system, infact I'm sure more users will welcome the idea of keeping your post simple & short as well as meaningful. You don't always have to write an eassy each time you intend replying to a thread unless when necessary. I don't have a problem with short reply but you should understand, off topic reply most time can be considered as spam especially when you're getting paid for that.
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1. SC's aka signature campaigns make you feel greedy but if you just want to earn some money by doing something you always do, you can't turn into a spammer. Spammers spam even forums where they don't earn to post.

2. Merit is a personal choice of members and is not restricted to just high rank members. If any member finds your post worthy, they will merit it irrespective of the sig you carry. Not all members ignore users of a sig campaign.

3. If you are a spammer, you would be blacklisted even if you aren't a part of any campaign.

4. Scammers have no reputation while people don't give so much importance to spammers. If you are honest and don't promote a scam campaign, nothing can harm your reputation.

5. That's again dependent on if you spam and has nothing to do with any particular campaign.

6. This point doesn't even make sense  Roll Eyes


I second what erikalui says here.


@OP:

But ofcourse there is no absolute in anything. There is also middle ground as in sometimes you just have few words to say and that is different.

For eg. in this post of mine, i am not really contributing anything honestly to this thread but i am writing just to put an opinion, would that mean i am spamming?

well, i am not even a part of any SC at the moment xD and apparently, most of the people who have posted in this thread are a part of an SC.

So, i think, maybe the managers ought to impose more strict rules leading to less spam.

and yeah i am no saint, i have done my share of sh*tposting back in the day but we all learn along the way isn't that right!
legendary
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Amazing to know there is a manager applies time gaps between posts in order to count as countable posts. Burst posting is one of prohibited kinds of post in the forum. It is one of violations, and I am not sure, but if someone seriously violates it from time to time, it will be considered as spamming, and account might be nuked, in the worst case.

I think it's fine in moderation. Sometimes you're on a roll. It's the people who knock out 20 posts in as many minutes that I find pretty incredible. There's no shortage of people watching out for piss takers and you're going to get shut down in no time at all. The real burst champs almost always read identically to each other too. It's rather eerie.
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Amazing to know there is a manager applies time gaps between posts in order to count as countable posts. Burst posting is one of prohibited kinds of post in the forum. It is one of violations, and I am not sure, but if someone seriously violates it from time to time, it will be considered as spamming, and account might be nuked, in the worst case.
This is what izanagi narukami does in the campaigns he manages (30mins gap) and I believe it's really helpful in putting post bursting and spamming at bar. This is even better than saying maximum of certain posts count daily because someone could do that daily count within an hour and be done for the day.
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Time gap between posts is one of factor can maintain post quality. It's not always right, but it help to reduce spamming speed, and somehow might maintain post quality at a fixed level. When people don't hurry to spam (due to required time gap between posts), they might spend more time to brainstorm before posting.
This is what izanagi narukami does in the campaigns he manages (30mins gap) and I believe it's really helpful in putting post bursting and spamming at bar. This is even better than saying maximum of certain posts count daily because someone could do that daily count within an hour and be done for the day.


I do find it strange how consistently they reject certain sections like off topic and politics and society, and it seems a shame more local boards aren't included, but I guess they know what works for them and what doesn't.
It baffles me too as if those sections don't contribute to the development of this forum. This was why I hailed Darkstar in his decision to pick participants from the local board in his last selection for the Chipmixer campaign.
legendary
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Time gap between posts is one of factor can maintain post quality. It's not always right, but it help to reduce spamming speed, and somehow might maintain post quality at a fixed level. When people don't hurry to spam (due to required time gap between posts), they might spend more time to brainstorm before posting.
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The problem I see here is that campaign managers from these kinds of campaigns tolerate them to do so, if they let their participants to be paid on their low quality posts it let's them see that the campaign manager is ok with that. If they are somehow strict on monitoring their post counts and post quality then the participants themselves will be forced to avoid spamming and spend more time thinking what they will be posting next. With this thing happen it only will lead to the participants spamming the forum just to receive the regular pay.
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I think the projects themselves make the decision not campaign managers I might be wrong though.

Indeed. It's totally down to the person actually paying. It would be an easy way to throw your money away if you're a gambling company whose posters only hang out in development and technical discussion.

I do find it strange how consistently they reject certain sections like off topic and politics and society, and the lack of action in local boards seems a shame, but I guess they know what works for them and what doesn't.

Certainly, the Employer make such decisions i presume, but these has make some sections of this forum more populated than others, like, Bitcoin discussion section, Altcoin Discussion section and Gambling|Gambling Discussion section of this forum. I think, it might be the cause of Merit sources Meriting a particular section of this forum based on his/her interest on that section, (i.e)For example, If i post in Bitcoin Section never expect Merit from me in Altcoin Section, Gambling|Gambling Discussion section, Beginners section, Off-Topic Section among others, lets encourage ourselves(as Merit Sources) to always visit other sections. 
legendary
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I think the projects themselves make the decision not campaign managers I might be wrong though.

Indeed. It's totally down to the person actually paying. It would be an easy way to throw your money away if you're a gambling company whose posters only hang out in development and technical discussion.

I do find it strange how consistently they reject certain sections like off topic and politics and society, and it seems a shame more local boards aren't included, but I guess they know what works for them and what doesn't.
legendary
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One thing that I like in having rules of posting like Hhampuz, he let us post everywhere on this forum to have exposure so there's no reason you can spam in the mega thread.

I don't think he's in charge of the choosing of boards were those interested in promoting the projects he's managing should posts. I say so because, if you look through the history of the campaigns he has managed you'll see some requirements in regrads to specific boards posts should be made in and boards or thread posts made in, will not count towards post counts. I think the projects themselves make the decision not campaign managers I might be wrong though.
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