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Topic: (°_°) facts.org.cn Falun Gong - 法輪功, A racist and sexist cult \(^o^)/ (Read 8009 times)

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you can't really force anybody to commit suicide

brainwashing techniques, totalitarian sects, salafi suicide man-bombs
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First off, you can't really force anybody to commit suicide, it's something people do by and for themselves. Secondly, your body is the only thing that truly belongs to you, you're not born with anything else, if for any reason you don't want to live anymore, you can choose to end your life. You have to remember here that killing oneself is not that simple, for the vast majority of people, committing suicide is unthinkable and undoable, something they couldn't bring themselves to do it in a million years. Whether it's right or wrong is not for anyone to judge because you're not the person committing the act.
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First time I hear of Falun Gong, just did a quick Wikipedia search and to be honest it doesn't seem like anything fundamentally bad or evil. In any case I wouldn't blame the founder for anything his disciples do, he may not be innocent but he can't bear responsibility for the actions of other people. It doesn't matter how charismatic the person/guru/teacher you look up to is, if you kill yourself or kill others because of his teachings, you are still 100% responsible for your actions.
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I think this is propoganda from the chinese government because

http://www.icsahome.com/aboutus

-- Check better, this is not "chinese government  propaganda".

Please, explain, what is bad in "same sex marriages" and "african-chinese marriages".
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I think this is propoganda from the chinese government because people uniting threatens there communist government, that is why it was declared illegal in 1999. I have a friend who is a falun gong practitioner and he would always tell me the crazy things that would happen while he was meditating, like seeing peoples auras and looking into tunnels of light. I always thought is was bs but was interested in what he told me. One day i went over to his house and he was meditating, he asked me if i wanted to join. I never meditated before so I was like ok this might be interesting. He puts on a video of Li Honghzi and he is speaking super fast in Chinese but there are subtitles. He was talking about the history of humans and how there used to be advanced civilizations that now lie at the bottom of the oceans. I became mesmerized by how fast he could speak but make perfect sense. So I'm watching the screen and all of a sudden I notice a gold aura surrounding Li Honghzi, at first i think it's some kind of computer effect so i look away then look back and at first the gold aura is gone, then as i stare it slowly comes back. I did this several times. Once i was convinced it was not some computer effect, and i was really seeing this, i became very interested. I assumed the lotus position the best i could, it's hard to do, and my friend told me to connect my hands on my heart chakra. So i did, and as soon as my hands connected i felt some kind of powerful energy coming from above. Then there was a tunnel of light coming out of the screen, it was spinning with all these symbols, and it slowly reached out to me where I was sitting. Then Li Honghzi was in my head and he was speaking perfect english. It's like my whole life flashed before my eyes and he was telling me all the things i need to improve in my life, it was intense. I looked over at my buddy and he was glowing gold too. I couldn't believe what i was seeing. This event changed my life, I seen the divine and theres no doubt in my mind that god doesnt exist. I am a christian so this was somthing of a confirmation for that. I havent meditated or pursued this practice since, simply because i am a westerner and I wasnt all about buddism. But I know it's real and it's not bs like i used to think. My friend was pretty upset about the organ harvesting, he said over 100,000 practitioners where harvested while still alive for there organs, due to there incredible health they were good recipients. It's fucked up. I never heard about people killing themselves, and my friend that practices isn't like that at all, he's a really happy person and has extremely good morals. So if thats true that fked, I choose not to believe that though and the Chinese government is corrupt so it would make sense why they would put out this anit fulon gong propaganda.
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I suppose the PRC pays you by the post though

Are You searching such job?
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Nobody cares dude. You just posted 7 pages of articles no one will read on an issue no one in the English-speaking world cares about one way or the other. I suppose the PRC pays you by the post though
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Ли Xyнчжи - pacиcт и гoмoфoб.


How to BURNING text of "Falun Gong"
a mind control organisation give a lesson
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Chief Executive's statement

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The Chief Executive, Mr Tung Chee Hwa, made the following statement today (April 25) :

The annual Fortune Global Forum will be held in Hong Kong next month. The world's most prominent investors and businessmen will speak on the future development of the world economy at the Forum. The President and many ministers, governors and mayors of Mainland China will also attend the Forum to give support and to ensure the event is a success.

The reason for us to organise such international conferences is to attract the world's top investors to invest in Hong Kong, to enhance our international image and promote economic development, and to create more employment opportunities for Hong Kong people.

We have noticed that today Falun Gong members held public activities in connection with the rally at Zhongnanhai two years ago. They have also told the media that they are planning to hold a series of activities during the period of the Forum. Clearly such activities go beyond purely religious activities or physical exercise; they represent a deliberate move to undermine the relationship between Hong Kong and the Central Government; these activities interfere with the smooth conduct of the Forum, go against the interests of the HKSAR and its people, and are unacceptable to the community.

I need to stress again that the HKSAR Government will observe closely the activities of the Falun Gong in Hong Kong, and will not allow them to abuse Hong Kong's freedoms and tolerance to affect public peace and order in the HKSAR, or public peace and order in the Mainland.

End/Wednesday, April 25, 2001

http://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/200104/25/0425291.htm
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Falong is a  

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"We don't have anything against gays"  
Huy Lu, a Daly City resident and spokesman for the local Falun Gong group

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.13052971
  

You have writtern here "homosexuality is unnatural", so will You change Your idea"?
Or this "spokesman" is a usual liatr as Master Li?
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If you two don't mind, let me summarize what I think is interesting about this.

China says Falong is an evil cult and kills people, and Falong says China is evil and kills people.

Western world can't possibly understand Falong, you must be Chinese or know Chinese thinking and philosophy to understand it.

So Western world falls for the cries of "We a poor helpless VICTIM" from Falong.

I say Falong is an evil cult, too.

Now one would think this matter could be settled on the basis of FACTS.

Is that possible?

Falong is a word that you made up. Actually, anyone can understand Eastern religions and Falun Gong; some reading comprehension is required...

If you want to say that it is an evil cult, tell us 1) what is a cult and 2) how a cult is different from a religion, if at all. Also: 3) what elements of this cult should be labeled evil?

I am an American and I found these teachings easy to understand. In my opinion, it is not the most enlightening teaching but is lucid, useful, and mostly reasonable as far as it goes. The fact is that the CCP fails to be morally accountable by responding to inquiries about the organ donations as you can see on the wikipedia page, so the implicit conclusion is that vulnerable groups in Chinese society are being exploited in the diabolical organ harvesting scheme. The evidence points to Falun Gong as the main source for organs, and there is apparently a substantial number of victims; details have been posted in this thread (not by OP).

I agree that we can make specific conclusions by listing facts about the situation. Perhaps we can start with the fact of the organ harvesting atrocities.
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China: Reward for Banned Sect Leader
New York Times, August 4, 1999

News Briefs:

China put out a $6,000 reward for information leading to the capture of Li Hongzhi, the New York-based leader of the banned spiritual movement Falun Gong, state-run media reported. Last week, China asked the international police agency Interpol to issue an arrest warrant against Mr. Li, but the agency, based in France, has refused, citing a lack of criminal evidence.

(AP) Compiled
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China's organ supply questioned as transplants soar
China Daily/April 13, 2006
By Le Tian

Hospital officials in Northeast China have lashed out at rumours made by the banned Falun Gong that it had detained followers of the cult, harvested their organs and incinerated their bodies, saying "the accusations are sheer lies."

Officials of the Liaoning Thrombosis Treatment Centre of Integrated Chinese and Western Medicine in Shenyang, in Liaoning Province, said yesterday their hospital lacks the required facilities to conduct organ transplants and has no basement to house the Falun Gong practitioners.

"These accusations are fabricated," said Zhang Yuqin, the hospital's deputy director, in a meeting with reporters organized by the State Council Information Office in Beijing.

Falun Gong followers overseas have spread the rumour through its media the Epoch Times and Minghui website since March 8, saying that more than 6,000 Falun Gong practitioners were imprisoned at the so-called concentration camp in Sujiatun District of the city, and many of them were cremated and their organs harvested.

Later, they changed their wording by saying the "concentration camp" was established in a small hospital, that is, the hospital Zhang works at.

Zhang said the hospital, with only 300 beds, does not have enough space for 6,000 people, nor does it have a "basement" or " incinerator."

"Their lies about a concentration camp are sheer fabrication, and the organ harvesting rumour is utter nonsense," she added.

Zhang has been working for the hospital since 1990. She said the hospital specialized in thrombus diseases, with treatments that combined Western medicine with the use of traditional Chinese herbs.

The hospital annually treats nearly 300,000 patients from China and abroad. A hospital in Seoul has established friendly ties and exchanged experts with the Sujiatun hospital since 1997, according to Zhang.

The Chinese Government banned the Falun Gong as a cult in July 1999 because of illegal acts undertaken by the cult.

The cult has spread false accusations in the public arena and used international IP calls and mobile phone messages to spread their doctrines.

A US consular official in Shenyang visited the hospital on March 22, claiming to be interested in traditional Chinese treatments for thrombosis, and was given a full tour of the facility, said Zhang Xu, another hospital official.

Media such as Japan's NHK, Hong Kong's Phoenix TV and Takung Pao newspaper have visited the hospital to look at the facilities, said the official.

"Seeing is believing. We welcome national and international media to our hospital," he said.

Zheng Bin, deputy head of Sujiatun District where the hospital is located, denounced the rumour as "groundless" at the news conference.

Zheng said the hospital had some Falun Gong followers as patients, but none were in detention.
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Singapore punishes 6-person protest
Post News, Bankkok/February 15, 2007

Singapore -- Six followers of the Falun Gong spiritual movement have been fined the maximum 1,000 Singapore dollars (about 21,700 baht, $645) for taking part in an illegal assembly protesting treatment of fellow practitioners in China, news reports said on Thursday.

During the 16-day trial, the prosecution showed District Judge Terence Chua a video tape taken by an officer, The Straits Times said.

It showed the women distributing and displaying placards and banners in a busy shopping area accusing the Chinese government of atrocities against Falun Gong members.

While the group is legal in Singapore, it is banned in China.

The women - Pang Su Chin, 56, You Xin, 38, Wang Yuyi, 51, Ang Soh Yan, 48, Ng Chye Huay, 42, and Cheng Lujin, 39 - were not represented by lawyers. They paid the fines.

Demonstrations and other gatherings are prohibited in the city- state without a police permit.

The women said that the video tape had been tampered with, but prosecution witnesses denied any editing.

The six insisted that they had done nothing wrong.

Ng has three previous convictions, two of which were on similar charges, while Cheng has one, the report said.
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Li Hongzhi is a Tax-Evader
People's Daily, July 30, 1999

Li Hongzhi, founder of the illegal Falun Gong, earned more than 280,000 yuan from May,1992 to November, 1994 in Changchu, capital of Jilin Province, through giving lectures to his followers.

However, this man paid no income tax until tax authority ordered him to pay the tax he had evaded. This is another evidence proving his accumulation of ill-gotten wealth.
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"Falun Gong: homophobic mind control cult"
San Francisco Sentinal - Letter to the Editor/January 27, 2006
By Samuel Luo

My name is Samuel Luo and my parents are both Falun Gong practitioners who have been hurt and exploited by this cult. Among the many harms done to them, I have been seriously concerned that they have refused needed medical treatment. In 2002, my step-father initially refused help when he had a stroke and he has suffered painful gout attacks unnecessarily for five years. He did so because he was being brainwashed into believing that Li Hongzhi, the founder and leader of this cult has the power to cure illnesses and taking medicine is counter productive.

The Falun Gong is also extremely homophobic. Li teaches that homosexuality is not the standard of being human, the priority of Gods will be to eliminate homosexuals and that gays are demonic in nature. These teachings are honored by all Falun Gong practitioners. Recently when I confronted my mother with these teachings she said that the elimination of gays is already happening. When I wanted her to give specific examples she said that all the natural disasters that happened recently are directed at corrupt people, gays included.

In my efforts to warn the public about the harmful and cultish nature of Falun Gong, my free speech was suppressed. Last year when the International Cultic Studies Association organized a program on the Falun Gong in which I was one of the presenters, the Falun Gong threatened the organization with a lawsuit and successfully suppressed our freedom of speech.

The Falun Gong is preying on the residents of this city I just want people to know that the Falun Gong is not what they claim to be.
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