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Quote from: joshy23 on August 29, 2019, 08:53:34 AM

Quote from: stadus on August 29, 2019, 08:02:10 AM

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Though you are correct since there's a ruling that clarkson can't play without naturalizing him so the team chooses Blatche over him, mentioning those qualifications it's really hard to lose Blatche from the squad, he's dominance as the big man can play the opponents both inside and outside, it's still
better keeping him, if only FIBA allowed both Remy and Jordan then the chance might be much higher.

The goal is to compete and try to step forward if chances open it's door to move in to the second round.

I guess the rules will not be chance anytime soon, they have that rules in place now and if that will be reviewed, it might take years because they'll change it. Just support the Philippines team with their current line up now.

Quote from: Harlot on August 29, 2019, 04:49:00 PM

The Philippine National team didn't even have the proper preparation for the World Cup and judging on what I saw in the internet

Unfortunately they don't have as they have limited players, they are sending their best players from the PBA which the recent conference just ended this month. Their lack of preparation could be one of the factors that will make them loss in this biggest teams in FIBA, but as long as they fight to win, that will already make Filipinos proud as they already understand they have a very slim chances to win against any team in their bracket.

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Speaking of teams who don't stand a chance to do anything of significance in this world cup, 1/3 of those qualified are sooo bad, it will be a miracle if they don't lose all three games by double digits. Seriously, who wants to watch teams like Angola, South Korea or Jordan? I'd so much rather have Slovenia (reigning euro champs), team like Croatia, hell even Latvia will be fun to watch. That first group stage will be hella boring. #facts

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Quote from: bisdak40 on August 28, 2019, 07:33:00 PM

Quote from: Harlot on August 28, 2019, 03:59:31 PM

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It's a no-brainer to say that indeed Italy is way off better than the Philippines. On papers, they are unbeatable by the Philippines given by the quality of players that they had on their squad but this is only a one game affair and anything can happen. Upset is real, though the chance is very very slim but it can happen. Even the president of the Philippines speculated that Gilas won't win against Italy Grin

but the Gilas take that statement as a motivation to prove doubters that they are wrong.

Upsets are possible but I don't think the Philippines has that kind of chance on the World level maybe if we are talking about Asian teams Philippines could definitely be ahead of the top teams in the league. The Philippine National team didn't even have the proper preparation for the World Cup and judging on what I saw in the internet team Italy looks well prepared to face even the toughest teams in the World Cup. I would hate to say it but I think Italy in their bracket will be like a walk in the park for the team and that's only speaking about the talent and level of preparedness they have.

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Quote from: SirLancelot on August 29, 2019, 12:51:45 PM

I am not entirely sure how you decide on a naturalized player though? Like for example in Turkey there is one guy called Wilbekin and he is obviously their naturalized player and that is the official application for their roster, however if you look at Cedi Osman and Ersan Ilyasova both of them are from countries like Uzbekistan or so back in the day, yeah they have been playing for Turkey and been a Turkish citizen for at least 15+ years but that doesn't mean that they are from there, they are from another country which they ran away from and came here to have a new life.

Or, maybe a person whose parents are from another country but he was born in your country? Naturalized has a lot of backdoor tricks if you want to deal with it and believe me nations are already working on those trick systems in their youth national teams.

Similar requirements like in football is needed. There player must have obvious connection with that country. For example he had to live or play in that country for few years, or his close relatives - one of parents, grandparents and etc must be from that countries.
But that just my opinion about these naturalized player. Maybe others don't see problems there.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 28, 2019, 09:48:07 PM

Quote from: Natalim on August 28, 2019, 07:12:38 PM

Quote from: Theb on August 28, 2019, 04:53:59 PM

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It's impossible to get Jordan Clarkson and Remy Martins playing with the Philippines since that's against the rules of the FIBA.
According to the news, https://sports.inquirer.net/362629/too-late-at-this-point-yeng-guiao-says-no-jordan-clarkson-for-fiba-world-cup

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Clarkson can only suit up for the country in Fiba tournaments as a naturalized player since despite being Filipino-American.

Fiba restricts just one naturalized player per team and center Andray Blatche already holds that slot in the Gilas lineup.

Wow!! I wasn't aware of any such restriction. Need to congratulate the FIBA for coming up with such a rule. Else many of the less talented teams would pack their squad with players from the United States and those teams who can't afford these players won't be able to qualify. I have seen this in cricket where many of the teams (such as Qatar, UAE, Singapore.etc) don't have a single citizen playing for them.

From what I have seen the case from other sports, the flood of expat and naturalized players do more harm than good. In the end the local players would lose their interest since they are unable to secure national slots, and it will have an impact on the growth of the game. Also, in a world cup you should be going with your own players rather than the imported ones.

Both players I mentioned have Filipino blood in them, in basic law in most of the countries like the Philippines if you are proven that you have Filipino blood on you that makes you a Filipino citizen as well, the naturalization process is not even a requirement for Fil-foreigners. The sad thing about what FIBA did is they don't recognize people with their citizenship and all it takes is a Passport they have gotten before they were 16 in order to suit up for the national team. This rule is commonly known as the Hagop rule (Hagop is the creator) because some countries like Qatar are giving their citizenship away to talented prospects whom don't even have a single blood of Qatari in them. The Hagop rule really affected a lot of players that have descents in that country just take a look at Jeremy Lin who can't even play for Chinese Taipei since he doesn't also have a passport before 16. As fan of my basketball team this doesn't look right as you don't get to see the best players you have for your country to represent your team.

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Quote from: Golftech on August 28, 2019, 12:48:24 PM

Coaches have their own perspectives when playing friendly competitions against other teams, whether they win or lose they got something to add with their plans and preparations, most of the time the losing team will study the system where they are lacking and try to fill it up with new sets of game play that will be fit for such situations, everything have a reasons not just to compete but also to learned different ideas to keep improving the team.

True. But there could be some cases that are somewhat rare to me that they'll try to lose the game for the opponents not to study their game. I say that it's rare since it's a international game. They know each games.

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Quote from: slocker on August 29, 2019, 03:23:24 AM

With only two days from start and first game here, FIBA took some chances on quotes for winning. I little surprised but this is how they are seeing thing how.

With FIBA Serbia has most chances to take this (probably cuz they won all preparation matches without whole team in rotation), USA is next, then big chance they place Australia as third and Spain as fourth. Rest are France Greece, Lithuania and Russia who won last game over Spain.

This is why I really love the World Cup.
There are so many teams that challenge the title, even if the US is the favorite it is still unpredictable who is going to be the champion. I would love to see though Serbia vs USA in the final with Serbia winning it.
Greece with Giannis will fight for a medal but it would be a hard tournament for them.

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I am not entirely sure how you decide on a naturalized player though? Like for example in Turkey there is one guy called Wilbekin and he is obviously their naturalized player and that is the official application for their roster, however if you look at Cedi Osman and Ersan Ilyasova both of them are from countries like Uzbekistan or so back in the day, yeah they have been playing for Turkey and been a Turkish citizen for at least 15+ years but that doesn't mean that they are from there, they are from another country which they ran away from and came here to have a new life.

Or, maybe a person whose parents are from another country but he was born in your country? Naturalized has a lot of backdoor tricks if you want to deal with it and believe me nations are already working on those trick systems in their youth national teams.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 28, 2019, 09:48:07 PM

Wow!! I wasn't aware of any such restriction. Need to congratulate the FIBA for coming up with such a rule. Else many of the less talented teams would pack their squad with players from the United States and those teams who can't afford these players won't be able to qualify. I have seen this in cricket where many of the teams (such as Qatar, UAE, Singapore.etc) don't have a single citizen playing for them.

From what I have seen the case from other sports, the flood of expat and naturalized players do more harm than good. In the end the local players would lose their interest since they are unable to secure national slots, and it will have an impact on the growth of the game. Also, in a world cup you should be going with your own players rather than the imported ones.

No, it's old rule. And it's really needed. As you may have noticed, lot of teams have naturalized players, usually it's PG's from USA. And not only weak teams use them. Even powerful countries like Spain, Russia, Italy had naturalized. But IMO, even 1 player is too much sometimes. These countries literally buy player to play for the national team. And usually these players don't have any relation with that country, they don't even know language of that country.

Quote from: slocker on August 29, 2019, 03:23:24 AM

With only two days from start and first game here, FIBA took some chances on quotes for winning. I little surprised but this is how they are seeing thing how.

With FIBA Serbia has most chances to take this (probably cuz they won all preparation matches without whole team in rotation), USA is next, then big chance they place Australia as third and Spain as fourth. Rest are France Greece, Lithuania and Russia who won last game over Spain.

I wouldn't mention Russia as possible favorites. I watched most of their games and win against is more like exception from the rule. Spain played without Gasol. And in other games Russia played not impresive.This year they don't have their biggest stars like Shved or Moazgov.

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Quote from: stadus on August 29, 2019, 08:02:10 AM

They can't have both and the team chooses blatche over clarkson as they need a center who can dominate.
Philippines have 7 footers as well, but they are slow unlike Blatche who is an almost all around player, he knows how to dribble, drive, and even shoot 3's, local centers are more like post up players.

I think without clarkson, there are other players that will step up as every FIBA tournament they have new players added in their squad, so let's see if the new players will be able to contribute in this game.

Though you are correct since there's a ruling that clarkson can't play without naturalizing him so the team chooses Blatche over him, mentioning those qualifications it's really hard to lose Blatche from the squad, he's dominance as the big man can play the opponents both inside and outside, it's still
better keeping him, if only FIBA allowed both Remy and Jordan then the chance might be much higher.

The goal is to compete and try to step forward if chances open it's door to move in to the second round.

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Quote from: Jating on August 29, 2019, 04:30:16 AM

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 28, 2019, 09:48:07 PM

Wow!! I wasn't aware of any such restriction. Need to congratulate the FIBA for coming up with such a rule. Else many of the less talented teams would pack their squad with players from the United States and those teams who can't afford these players won't be able to qualify. I have seen this in cricket where many of the teams (such as Qatar, UAE, Singapore.etc) don't have a single citizen playing for them.

FIBA only allow one naturalized player to play so i think it does not have so much impact on the local players. From what i've seen, mostly teams from Asia have a naturalized player playing for them in the FIBA tournament. I think it is good for the low ranking teams to have one because that imported player will bring another level of competition within the team itself.

Philippines have been sending players with naturalised citizenship and we have seen the impact already as they have been doing really good specially in the Asian region. They are now in the top 25-30 based on the last ranking. But I would rather have Clarkson as well included in their line up to increased their chance at least.

I'm not surprised the Serbia and US are the team to beat. Although Australia beat US in the last exhibition match, there could be other teams that should take the 3 spot like Spain and Greece.

They can't have both and the team chooses blatche over clarkson as they need a center who can dominate.
Philippines have 7 footers as well, but they are slow unlike Blatche who is an almost all around player, he knows how to dribble, drive, and even shoot 3's, local centers are more like post up players.

I think without clarkson, there are other players that will step up as every FIBA tournament they have new players added in their squad, so let's see if the new players will be able to contribute in this game.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 28, 2019, 09:48:07 PM

Wow!! I wasn't aware of any such restriction. Need to congratulate the FIBA for coming up with such a rule. Else many of the less talented teams would pack their squad with players from the United States and those teams who can't afford these players won't be able to qualify. I have seen this in cricket where many of the teams (such as Qatar, UAE, Singapore.etc) don't have a single citizen playing for them.

FIBA only allow one naturalized player to play so i think it does not have so much impact on the local players. From what i've seen, mostly teams from Asia have a naturalized player playing for them in the FIBA tournament. I think it is good for the low ranking teams to have one because that imported player will bring another level of competition within the team itself.

Philippines have been sending players with naturalised citizenship and we have seen the impact already as they have been doing really good specially in the Asian region. They are now in the top 25-30 based on the last ranking. But I would rather have Clarkson as well included in their line up to increased their chance at least.

I'm not surprised the Serbia and US are the team to beat. Although Australia beat US in the last exhibition match, there could be other teams that should take the 3 spot like Spain and Greece.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 28, 2019, 09:48:07 PM

Wow!! I wasn't aware of any such restriction. Need to congratulate the FIBA for coming up with such a rule. Else many of the less talented teams would pack their squad with players from the United States and those teams who can't afford these players won't be able to qualify. I have seen this in cricket where many of the teams (such as Qatar, UAE, Singapore.etc) don't have a single citizen playing for them.

FIBA only allow one naturalized player to play so i think it does not have so much impact on the local players. From what i've seen, mostly teams from Asia have a naturalized player playing for them in the FIBA tournament. I think it is good for the low ranking teams to have one because that imported player will bring another level of competition within the team itself.

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Quote from: slocker on August 29, 2019, 03:23:24 AM

With FIBA Serbia has most chances to take this (probably cuz they won all preparation matches without whole team in rotation), USA is next, then big chance they place Australia as third and Spain as fourth. Rest are France Greece, Lithuania and Russia who won last game over Spain.

I have no problem with Serbia and USA being the top 2.
Australia made a huge leap and that is what beating the tournament favorite does Cheesy

Still, I do not agree with them being third. They have little chance advancing into the semis imo.

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With only two days from start and first game here, FIBA took some chances on quotes for winning. I little surprised but this is how they are seeing thing how.

With FIBA Serbia has most chances to take this (probably cuz they won all preparation matches without whole team in rotation), USA is next, then big chance they place Australia as third and Spain as fourth. Rest are France Greece, Lithuania and Russia who won last game over Spain.

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Quote from: bryant.coleman on August 28, 2019, 09:48:07 PM

Quote from: Natalim on August 28, 2019, 07:12:38 PM

Quote from: Theb on August 28, 2019, 04:53:59 PM

If only Jordan Clarkson and Remy Martins was allowed in this world cup I would say that they have a chance to win against Italy and maybe even sweep the whole group.

It's impossible to get Jordan Clarkson and Remy Martins playing with the Philippines since that's against the rules of the FIBA.
According to the news, https://sports.inquirer.net/362629/too-late-at-this-point-yeng-guiao-says-no-jordan-clarkson-for-fiba-world-cup

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Clarkson can only suit up for the country in Fiba tournaments as a naturalized player since despite being Filipino-American.

Fiba restricts just one naturalized player per team and center Andray Blatche already holds that slot in the Gilas lineup.

Wow!! I wasn't aware of any such restriction. Need to congratulate the FIBA for coming up with such a rule. Else many of the less talented teams would pack their squad with players from the United States and those teams who can't afford these players won't be able to qualify. I have seen this in cricket where many of the teams (such as Qatar, UAE, Singapore.etc) don't have a single citizen playing for them.

From what I have seen the case from other sports, the flood of expat and naturalized players do more harm than good. In the end the local players would lose their interest since they are unable to secure national slots, and it will have an impact on the growth of the game. Also, in a world cup you should be going with your own players rather than the imported ones.

I suspect this is a new rules in FIBA, this is actually good so we will see more locals playing in a team, with more locals in a team, that would be more fulfilling if the team won the game. USA is undeniably has a lot of talent, they even don't need to require their best players in the NBA to play for their country now, they just send their mediocre players but still USA is the favorites to win the competition.

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Quote from: Natalim on August 28, 2019, 07:12:38 PM

Quote from: Theb on August 28, 2019, 04:53:59 PM

If only Jordan Clarkson and Remy Martins was allowed in this world cup I would say that they have a chance to win against Italy and maybe even sweep the whole group.

It's impossible to get Jordan Clarkson and Remy Martins playing with the Philippines since that's against the rules of the FIBA.
According to the news, https://sports.inquirer.net/362629/too-late-at-this-point-yeng-guiao-says-no-jordan-clarkson-for-fiba-world-cup

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Clarkson can only suit up for the country in Fiba tournaments as a naturalized player since despite being Filipino-American.

Fiba restricts just one naturalized player per team and center Andray Blatche already holds that slot in the Gilas lineup.

Wow!! I wasn't aware of any such restriction. Need to congratulate the FIBA for coming up with such a rule. Else many of the less talented teams would pack their squad with players from the United States and those teams who can't afford these players won't be able to qualify. I have seen this in cricket where many of the teams (such as Qatar, UAE, Singapore.etc) don't have a single citizen playing for them.

From what I have seen the case from other sports, the flood of expat and naturalized players do more harm than good. In the end the local players would lose their interest since they are unable to secure national slots, and it will have an impact on the growth of the game. Also, in a world cup you should be going with your own players rather than the imported ones.

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Quote from: Harlot on August 28, 2019, 03:59:31 PM

Even though Italy isn't a top 10 team in FIBA they still are a better team compared to what the Philippines have since aside from them having two NBA players in the roster the rest of their squad consists of players playing in the Euroleague which compared to the Filipino players we have all play in a much lower standard competition in the PBA even Blatche's CBA league cannot match the standard of what the Euroleague can bring. If the Philippines really wants to even have a chance to win the game they need to change on how they play and pick up their mistakes when they have fought Australia which completely destroyed them.

It's a no-brainer to say that indeed Italy is way off better than the Philippines. On papers, they are unbeatable by the Philippines given by the quality of players that they had on their squad but this is only a one game affair and anything can happen. Upset is real, though the chance is very very slim but it can happen. Even the president of the Philippines speculated that Gilas won't win against Italy Grin

but the Gilas take that statement as a motivation to prove doubters that they are wrong.

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Quote from: Theb on August 28, 2019, 04:53:59 PM

If only Jordan Clarkson and Remy Martins was allowed in this world cup I would say that they have a chance to win against Italy and maybe even sweep the whole group.

It's impossible to get Jordan Clarkson and Remy Martins playing with the Philippines since that's against the rules of the FIBA.
According to the news, https://sports.inquirer.net/362629/too-late-at-this-point-yeng-guiao-says-no-jordan-clarkson-for-fiba-world-cup

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Clarkson can only suit up for the country in Fiba tournaments as a naturalized player since despite being Filipino-American.

Fiba restricts just one naturalized player per team and center Andray Blatche already holds that slot in the Gilas lineup.

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Quote from: mirakal on August 28, 2019, 12:32:57 AM

To all the Gilas fans out there, what do you think about the upcoming first game between Philippines and Italy.

This are the line offered in my sportsbook..

Philippines to win 13 , Italy to win 1.03.
Philippines +17.5 , Italy -17.5..

What do you think about the Philippines ML? This is so tempting for me.... Grin

That +17.5 for the Philippines might be tempting but you should remember that it's not the first time that the Philippines and Italy will be facing each other in the court. The last time the face head to head was in 2016 and the scoreline was outrageous to see for any Filipino fan. The game ended up 106 to 70 points which is about a 36 point margin in favor of Italy. Even though it was only a tune-up game without any record you will see that both teams took the game seriously, it was not all-star game for them but they were like playing in a serious playoff series. Even if the Philippines have given their best in that game they still fell out big. You should take note that both teams have similar line ups now and way back 2016 so there isn't really any notable players missing in that game to be a game changer for the Philippines. If only Jordan Clarkson and Remy Martins was allowed in this world cup I would say that they have a chance to win against Italy and maybe even sweep the whole group.

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