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October 05, 2022, 10:30:12 PM
Well, in fact, a South American final is what many in the world want to see, it would be something great, I think that Argentina could win there, because Messi really deserves to win a World Cup, but we cannot forget that Neymar also plans to retire from football so he will not play with so much respect for Messi, these considerations that they have had on occasions have been presented and Argentina wins, but now Brazil I see him as very strong, not only because of a much more professional and mature Neymar, I think he will be here proving that Neymar will be able to take his team to the maximum point, which is to win a competition like this.

Would love to see the final between Argentina and Brazil. Personally I would support Argentina, as I am a big supporter even before Messi started playing for them. But at the same time, Brazil would be looking for revenge, after their humiliating defeat during the 2021 Copa America final. And Neymar is just 30 years old. I don't know why he should even consider retirement from international matches at this point. Just doesn't make any sense. Ideally he should be making plans to participate in the 2030 world cup as well.
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October 05, 2022, 09:56:10 PM
Brazil always have a full of talent , in every world cup edition they are the favorite ... but of course the squad strength is not the only parameter to decide which one gonna lift the world cup trophy, more than that ... you need a strong mentality as you might feel nervous as this competition is the most prestigious one among any competition.

Everyone really wanted to lift this trophy for once in lifetime at least.

This time Brazil remains as the favorites and the difference is that their competitors have gone down since the 2018 edition. UEFA teams such as France, Germany and England are not in exceptional form. Only team that can pose a challenge to Brazil right now is Argentina. And I would love to have the final match between Brazil and Argentina for this world cup (don't know whether it is possible or not, given the complicated playoff scenarios). At this point, the gap between Brazil and the other teams seems to be too large.

Well, in fact, a South American final is what many in the world want to see, it would be something great, I think that Argentina could win there, because Messi really deserves to win a World Cup, but we cannot forget that Neymar also plans to retire from football so he will not play with so much respect for Messi, these considerations that they have had on occasions have been presented and Argentina wins, but now Brazil I see him as very strong, not only because of a much more professional and mature Neymar, I think he will be here proving that Neymar will be able to take his team to the maximum point, which is to win a competition like this.

here is a very nice graph showing that argentina can break the current record of italy (to be unbeaten in 37 games) at the world cup.
the argentines need 3 more wins and they will play in group stage against uae, saudi arabia, mexico and poland



I don't think Argentina can win this world cup game. Messi is not smart has before again. The only country (team) which I think that can break the record is Germany or Portugal. The last time in the world cup qualified matches, Argentina was even struggling with Nigeria. In the main match on November, Argentina might not even passed group stage.

Argentina first match is with Saudi Arabia. Though they might win their first leg of the match, football is unpredictable, the weak team can win a strong team if they played well. And in Argentina except Mesi who again. And remember Messi is not strong as before.

--snip--
Going with everything they have with a Messi on the team, versus going with all they have without him is a big difference. Other teams do not have a Messi, and that means they won't be able to produce the same 100% that Argentina could.

There are some other teams with similar powerful players, but not many have it at Messi level. Also, what we are talking about here is that when Messi was on his prime, they did not played at 100% off the pitch, management and coaching and team etc all had troubles, then when they are on the pitch they gave it all, but caused them to be a little worse. Same could happen for many teams in the world for sure.


Even though other team players can play like Messi how many players are in Argentina that played like Messi? Now that Messi is weaken in the pitch, while there are other players that are in the pitch that can play ,more Messi now. So saying that Argentina will break the Italy record sound irony.

Well everything is possible, it is necessary to point out that what you say is very right, both Germany and Portugal have a great motivation, for me Messi is going to be playing this World Cup with a lot of pressure, everyone expects a lot from him, his fans even fans of other countries expect a lot from him and have in their minds that he can win, the only way for Argentina to win the World Cup is for all the Argentine players to play and not be in the shadow of Messi, I have seen in the Argentine team that all the players they are very dependent on Messi, if they are in a difficult situation they all stick to him, and they don't help him as he is, and that is something that has a lot of influence, at least for Messi it becomes more pressure.

The world cup now is at the corner. Its about 46 days left. Everybody should prepare themselves to support their clubs in the tournament. Subscribe your decoders on or by the second week of November so that you not miss any match in the tournament. Again, My best team would been my country team which Nigeria, but since Nigeria is no longer in the tournament I will only choice a favourite team when the matches officially started. As for now, I can not tell. Because looking it from afar is confusing me the more. But I have a best team in my mind to support but I will not say now until the games start.
The Open match between Qatar vs Ecuador is on the 20th of November, 2022 by 7:00pm, I might not have so much interest but the second day match which is England vs Iran is the game I have so much interest to watch. If you want to see or check the fixtures of the matches go the OP FIFA 2022 world cup. Prepare.

I understand what you are saying and I understand your frustration at not having Nigeria in the World Cup, I particularly like the style of African football, especially that of Nigeria, it is very showy and cheerful, but you have Cameroon and Cameroon have a good team, In fact, I am ready for the World Cup a few months ago, and since I am in a country where they can cut off the electricity at any time, what I need is to buy a few liters of gasoline to be able to be prepared just in case to turn on my power plant, but it is good that you urge others to prepare, 46 days is nothing, that happens very quickly, it could be said that you can have more cable TV options, with DirecTV you can watch all the games.
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October 05, 2022, 09:39:14 PM
Even though other team players can play like Messi how many players are in Argentina that played like Messi? Now that Messi is weaken in the pitch, while there are other players that are in the pitch that can play ,more Messi now. So saying that Argentina will break the Italy record sound irony.

No one can play like Messi. But that doesn't mean that the other players are bad. Messi alone can win games for sure, but if you check their record for 2021 and 2022, there was sizable contribution from the other players as well. Ángel Di María, Paulo Dybala and Lautaro Martínez are also in very good form. At least we can say that Argentina is not a one-man army like Portugal. At this point, they can easily defeat teams such as Saudi Arabia and Poland (group stage opponents), even if Messi is not included in the playing XI.
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October 05, 2022, 05:03:46 PM
The world cup now is at the corner. Its about 46 days left. Everybody should prepare themselves to support their clubs in the tournament. Subscribe your decoders on or by the second week of November so that you not miss any match in the tournament. Again, My best team would been my country team which Nigeria, but since Nigeria is no longer in the tournament I will only choice a favourite team when the matches officially started. As for now, I can not tell. Because looking it from afar is confusing me the more. But I have a best team in my mind to support but I will not say now until the games start.
The Open match between Qatar vs Ecuador is on the 20th of November, 2022 by 7:00pm, I might not have so much interest but the second day match which is England vs Iran is the game I have so much interest to watch. If you want to see or check the fixtures of the matches go the OP FIFA 2022 world cup. Prepare.
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October 05, 2022, 04:02:39 PM
here is a very nice graph showing that argentina can break the current record of italy (to be unbeaten in 37 games) at the world cup.
the argentines need 3 more wins and they will play in group stage against uae, saudi arabia, mexico and poland



I don't think Argentina can win this world cup game. Messi is not smart has before again. The only country (team) which I think that can break the record is Germany or Portugal. The last time in the world cup qualified matches, Argentina was even struggling with Nigeria. In the main match on November, Argentina might not even passed group stage.

Argentina first match is with Saudi Arabia. Though they might win their first leg of the match, football is unpredictable, the weak team can win a strong team if they played well. And in Argentina except Mesi who again. And remember Messi is not strong as before.

--snip--
Going with everything they have with a Messi on the team, versus going with all they have without him is a big difference. Other teams do not have a Messi, and that means they won't be able to produce the same 100% that Argentina could.

There are some other teams with similar powerful players, but not many have it at Messi level. Also, what we are talking about here is that when Messi was on his prime, they did not played at 100% off the pitch, management and coaching and team etc all had troubles, then when they are on the pitch they gave it all, but caused them to be a little worse. Same could happen for many teams in the world for sure.


Even though other team players can play like Messi how many players are in Argentina that played like Messi? Now that Messi is weaken in the pitch, while there are other players that are in the pitch that can play ,more Messi now. So saying that Argentina will break the Italy record sound irony.
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October 05, 2022, 01:28:10 PM
--snip--
Going with everything they have with a Messi on the team, versus going with all they have without him is a big difference. Other teams do not have a Messi, and that means they won't be able to produce the same 100% that Argentina could.

There are some other teams with similar powerful players, but not many have it at Messi level. Also, what we are talking about here is that when Messi was on his prime, they did not played at 100% off the pitch, management and coaching and team etc all had troubles, then when they are on the pitch they gave it all, but caused them to be a little worse. Same could happen for many teams in the world for sure.
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October 05, 2022, 11:48:14 AM
On your own prediction, whom do you think will win the tournament and carry the Golden Cup?
If this is the question of who will bring the champions 1,2 and 3 in the upcoming 2022 FIFA World Cup tournament in Qatar, which is scheduled to take place 21 Nev, I think this question is too early to answer, because it is currently still in the qualifying round.

As in the current list of countries qualifying for the 2022 World Cup, it has reached 29 countries, there are still 3 more slots that are still up for grabs at this time out of a total of 32 countries.

I think France, Germany, Spain, Croatia are also good teams and they have qualified for the 2022 FIFA World Cup, for now, Honestly, I don't dare to answer at this time, because the tournament hasn't started yet who will enter the top 10 and so on.

Maybe, if the tournament is already underway and has entered the top 10, I will answer here, who is most likely to win 1,2 and 3 champions.
I agree with you - it's too early to predict the winners at that stage when the matches will start in November.
Also there is a change needed in OP - the poll can be created so that people can easily vote for their favorite team. For me -  Portugal is my favorite.
Now I'm a little surprised when I have to predict who will win, because this hasn't started yet. I can still answer when the question is "which country is your favorite to win the World Cup title this time?" because it puts the country we like. But if the question is like the OP said honestly I can't answer because it has to be judged from a realistic point of view which we have to see from the way they played during the World Cup.
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October 05, 2022, 11:30:20 AM
here is a very nice graph showing that argentina can break the current record of italy (to be unbeaten in 37 games) at the world cup.
the argentines need 3 more wins and they will play in group stage against uae, saudi arabia, mexico and poland



I never expected that Argentina could be that eager this year. Italy has been unbeatable for a long time and it may be at risk because of its current standing. It seems that Argentina has prepared well before facing Italy which their opponent never expected as well. Let's see how Italy will defend its status but I'm rooting for Argentina to change its record.
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October 05, 2022, 11:25:01 AM
here is a very nice graph showing that argentina can break the current record of italy (to be unbeaten in 37 games) at the world cup.
the argentines need 3 more wins and they will play in group stage against uae, saudi arabia, mexico and poland

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October 05, 2022, 10:51:57 AM
There are name players who may not have relevance in the performance of their teams, the World Cup is played by all those summoned, history has shown that many mega stars have spent a World Cup sitting on the bench.

The interesting thing about this World Cup is who is not back, perhaps not even as substitutes.

Qatar is guaranteed a special place in World Cup history as the end of an era of incredible footballers led by the greatest footballer in the history of the sport.

The list is perhaps one of the most talented to make the equivalence with other World Cups, but writing I get a name that within that extensive list, Garet Bale, him unlike Messi, this World Cup is a reward for his magnificent career in football and in a certain way it is the history of the great footballers, achieving things like the one GB did with his national team.
 
In the case of Messi, the only thing that helps him is to win the soccer world cup, if he does not achieve it, nothing takes away that position as the best in sport, but in the history of the world cups an objective classification of players Messi shouldn't be in the top 20.

The World Cup is special for that reason, you only have 30 days to show that you are the best and 4 years for a new attempt.





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October 05, 2022, 10:06:09 AM
@Sithara007 you’re correct because France is over relying on Pogba, who even though hasn’t played much this season will get a walk in the playing 11 provided he’s fit, and that will further create discontent between the player’s. Also Brazil has Casemiro, Anthony besides Neymar so they’re very strong heading in the World Cup, lastly I don’t think that even *Argentina could beat them in the World Cup (*if they clash during the course of the tournament).

Pogba is injured. Even if he recovers ahead of the world cup, I don't know how fit he will be. The good news is that his surgery has been successful. However it looks as if he may miss the world cup this time. Initial estimates suggest that he may be fit to play by the end of October. If that is true, then he will be a part of the French World Cup squad. Now coming to the rivalry between Argentina and Brazil, please don't forget what happened during the Copa America final of 2021. Brazil is having the upper hand now, but the gap is not very wide.
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October 05, 2022, 09:54:12 AM
~snip~
I wonder if Google keeps statistics on its forecasts? I would like to know how accurate they are.

I don't think they do, it's probably just an internal data.

Some people are trying to understand how Google calculates these probabilities and it seems it's all quite private.

At least there are some explanations in that link that might help understand the model a bit better, but we really don't know how accurate it is from outside Google.

If it's just a prediction, of course we can also do it without the reference predicted by google. the name is also a prediction, it will not always be right, but sometimes many people misinterpret predictions. the only thing that is the most fun is the prediction from the results of my own analysis, because that is the most interesting part for us to do before a football match will be held.

but it never hurts to look for prediction references from other sources or it could be from soccer experts.
Speaking of predictions, I remember from the predictions of Paul the Octopus, he is an octopus who lives in an aquarium at the Sea Life Center, Oberhausen, Germany. in the 2010 world cup, which every flag he chose from the two competing countries, had almost 100 percent accuracy, and I think this is just a coincidence. however, back again, the name of the prediction will not always be right.
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October 05, 2022, 09:37:01 AM
there is no doubt that Argentina is the seeded nation in the 2022 FIFA world cup Qatar. and Messi will play for the last time in the world cup. but another country that is seeded is France. And in France there is also Karim Benzema where Benzema will also play for the last time in the World Cup. if these two countries can get to the Finals it will be a great match. but Brazil is really the most superior this time. because many of the star players are from Brazil.

You can't compare these three countries at the same time. Brazil and Argentina are in great form. Momentum is with them, and players such as Messi and Neymar are performing exceptionally well. On the other hand, France recently had a mixed record in international matches. There are rumors of issues in team bonding. And it is not just France. Other UEFA nations are also in quite bad shape. I am talking about countries such as Germany, Netherlands and England as well. CONMEBOL teams are looking in much better shape, when compared to those from other confederations.

@Sithara007 you’re correct because France is over relying on Pogba, who even though hasn’t played much this season will get a walk in the playing 11 provided he’s fit, and that will further create discontent between the player’s. Also Brazil has Casemiro, Anthony besides Neymar so they’re very strong heading in the World Cup, lastly I don’t think that even *Argentina could beat them in the World Cup (*if they clash during the course of the tournament).
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October 05, 2022, 09:11:08 AM
there is no doubt that Argentina is the seeded nation in the 2022 FIFA world cup Qatar. and Messi will play for the last time in the world cup. but another country that is seeded is France. And in France there is also Karim Benzema where Benzema will also play for the last time in the World Cup. if these two countries can get to the Finals it will be a great match. but Brazil is really the most superior this time. because many of the star players are from Brazil.

You can't compare these three countries at the same time. Brazil and Argentina are in great form. Momentum is with them, and players such as Messi and Neymar are performing exceptionally well. On the other hand, France recently had a mixed record in international matches. There are rumors of issues in team bonding. And it is not just France. Other UEFA nations are also in quite bad shape. I am talking about countries such as Germany, Netherlands and England as well. CONMEBOL teams are looking in much better shape, when compared to those from other confederations.
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October 05, 2022, 07:01:45 AM
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The Argentinians will go with everything they have to win the next World Cup, I really think they wasted the opportunity they had when Messi was on his prime just because of internal disputes and now they are seeing that if they do not win this championship then 36 years would have passed since the last time they won the World Cup, and for the fans of Argentina which believe their team to be the best around the world this will be a difficult reality to accept.
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maybe I'm just playing the devil's advocate here but don't you think all teams go with everything they have to win?
I mean, of course some have best chances, and some have more desire,
but in the end, no team goes to the field thinking it won't be the next winner
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October 04, 2022, 11:18:01 PM
Argentina is not the strongest team in the Qatar world cup, in fact, there are many other squads that have more depth than Argentina. it's just that, Argentina has a very consistent performance than the other seeded squad.

It's always interesting to see Argentina, some years they had the strongest squad but didn't win.
They are the last champion of Copa America (2021) against Brazil, and they won again vs Italia (champion of Europe at that time)

Messi will probably give everything he have to be the champion, this is probably the last chance of winning a world cup, and in my opinion the team can support Messi in a better way than Cristiano Ronaldo and Portugal for example.

There are some incredible players too like Di Maria, Otamendi, Dybala, Lautaro and many others.
It's a good generation of Argentinians, we can consider the last chance of Di Maria too

Being realistic, Argentina have great chances to be at least at quarters, top 8 teams, good chance to be at top 4 semi finals, and some chance to be champion.

I will not bet in Argentina to be the champion, but I don't have courage to bet against  Cheesy

The Argentinians will go with everything they have to win the next World Cup, I really think they wasted the opportunity they had when Messi was on his prime just because of internal disputes and now they are seeing that if they do not win this championship then 36 years would have passed since the last time they won the World Cup, and for the fans of Argentina which believe their team to be the best around the world this will be a difficult reality to accept.
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October 04, 2022, 06:51:52 PM
~snip~
I wonder if Google keeps statistics on its forecasts? I would like to know how accurate they are.

I don't think they do, it's probably just an internal data.

Some people are trying to understand how Google calculates these probabilities and it seems it's all quite private.

At least there are some explanations in that link that might help understand the model a bit better, but we really don't know how accurate it is from outside Google.
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October 04, 2022, 11:54:46 AM
Google already shows probability of win, I'll show you an example:



There's a match between Barcelona vs Inter, will be tomorrow and Google shows the probability of winning
So it's safe to say Google is running some numbers to define the odds since they don't provide the source of a third party.

I think they did a mistake, like you said, so, according to math and statistics, the final will be Brazil vs France
I know , it's just a prediction, but it helps people make some decision.
I'll try to find more information about google odds.

* But to be fair, most of sites, forums and services have Brazil favorite, and France 2nd or 3rd place.

Yes, it definitely doesn't look like a leak, because even if they think the Brazil-France final is the most likely, there is no point in publishing this prediction since the probability of this event could be 5% or less. Maybe this is the most likely final compared to other combinations of teams, but when compared with the total probability - 95% of other options, then there is no point in making such loud predictions so that later everyone points out the mistake to you.

I wonder if Google keeps statistics on its forecasts? I would like to know how accurate they are.
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October 04, 2022, 11:37:09 AM
Argentina is not the strongest team in the Qatar world cup, in fact, there are many other squads that have more depth than Argentina. it's just that, Argentina has a very consistent performance than the other seeded squad.

It's always interesting to see Argentina, some years they had the strongest squad but didn't win.
They are the last champion of Copa America (2021) against Brazil, and they won again vs Italia (champion of Europe at that time)

Messi will probably give everything he have to be the champion, this is probably the last chance of winning a world cup, and in my opinion the team can support Messi in a better way than Cristiano Ronaldo and Portugal for example.

There are some incredible players too like Di Maria, Otamendi, Dybala, Lautaro and many others.
It's a good generation of Argentinians, we can consider the last chance of Di Maria too

Being realistic, Argentina have great chances to be at least at quarters, top 8 teams, good chance to be at top 4 semi finals, and some chance to be champion.

I will not bet in Argentina to be the champion, but I don't have courage to bet against  Cheesy
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October 04, 2022, 09:08:22 AM
Argentina is not the strongest team in the Qatar world cup, in fact, there are many other squads that have more depth than Argentina. it's just that, Argentina has a very consistent performance than the other seeded squad. Argentina has proven to have a fantastic match record in recent years, this year's world cup. Argentina has a great chance to be one of the candidates who have the potential to win the championship trophy. however, is not the strongest.
because after all Brazil is the strongest candidate and has complete players than Argentina, even so, teams from the European continent should also not be underestimated. although the performance of France, Germany, England is very low especially in the league of nations. does not mean they will not play well in the world cup later.
there are still some teams even though they are not very top, Belgium, Croatia, Holland, maybe they will give us a surprise.
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