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Quote from: TopT3ns on September 22, 2022, 02:01:26 AM

I think this thread has recently been talking about Religion and getting out of the main topic entitled FIFA 2022 world cup, what should be discussed is about football or the preparation of the competing teams that may occur on the field, not talking about religion or regulations that in that religion, the rules that exist in the FIFA 2022 world cup have been agreed by the organizers so let it run. Enjoy the football match and use the attitude of Tolerance for fellow Humans and no need to discuss Religion further.

You are the one that is now continuing with the religion of a thing because the last three responders did not mention religion, which you could have continued in that way but quoted the former quotes. Yet, religion is important this time because it is not like ever that the world cup is being hosted by secular states, there is no how this will not be a subject of more debate.

Also, the world cup has not started yet, there is little that could be discussed at this time if not for the pressing issues that are being envisaged.

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@Sithara007 sometime I am feeling you are too much biased about Muslim countries because your views are giving this impression about mindset maybe I am wrong but feeling so writing here we have not easy life in any country specially as many calling India and USA as world's democracy champions they are also having many issues which are not fitting into humans rights, but they are working, and these countries are forcing minorities and others to follow them and no one have any objections because they are powerful so if some stick rules are working in Qatar you have to follow them as you are going there just for few days, and you can adjust with this all which is not hard job.

But, talking again and again for things which are no related or surely have impact in past is never been good as you are saying Jamal Khashoggi it's happen in Turkey and I have no doubt it's done by Saudi official, but it's not only or first murder many done by Israel, India and USA for their sack but no one like to talk about this because they have power, and they are hypocrites in my view just talking about Muslims and their belief is surely not good.

I have clarified in one of my previous posts that I don't really care about religion. There are Muslim countries such as Turkey and Morocco, which are quite progressive. My issue is with Arab countries such as Qatar treating their migrant workers like slaves and imposing their regressive culture on others. I would say the same for Christian countries such as Uganda as well. India and US maybe having minor issues related to race and religion. But at least they don't have stone age laws such as the Qataris are having.

I think this thread has recently been talking about Religion and getting out of the main topic entitled FIFA 2022 world cup, what should be discussed is about football or the preparation of the competing teams that may occur on the field, not talking about religion or regulations that in that religion, the rules that exist in the FIFA 2022 world cup have been agreed by the organizers so let it run. Enjoy the football match and use the attitude of Tolerance for fellow Humans and no need to discuss Religion further.

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There are less than 2 months left before 32 teams face off in 64 matches to determine the winner of the FIFA World Cup. The 2022 FIFA World Cup is going to be an awesome show. We're looking forward to watching the FIFA World Cup's opening match. Since we're heading to the biggest festival on earth, this game is sure to draw a big crowd. My excitement is high, but I am looking forward to a new country lifting it this time around.

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Quote from: Ahli38 on September 18, 2022, 10:55:35 PM

hi all friends. The 2022 FIFA World Cup is 62 days away from starting. I want to know, do you feel time is running slowly while waiting until the time for the 2022 FIFA World Cup to start?

I myself feel like time is slowing down. maybe because I can't wait to watch the World Cup game. 2 months to the world cup feels a bit long for me. do you guys feel the same? or quite the opposite?

I know how you feel, the FIFA World Cup is the one of the most watched events all over the world, as soccer is by far the most popular sport, so fans have been waiting patiently since the end of the previous World Cup to feel this same excitement, and while the skill level we can watch on the UEFA Champions League is superior, the intensity demonstrated by the players is many times higher during the World Cup as not only they are playing for themselves but for their countries as well.

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Quote from: dezoel on September 21, 2022, 02:03:10 PM

@Sithara007 sometime I am feeling you are too much biased about Muslim countries because your views are giving this impression about mindset maybe I am wrong but feeling so writing here we have not easy life in any country specially as many calling India and USA as world's democracy champions they are also having many issues which are not fitting into humans rights, but they are working, and these countries are forcing minorities and others to follow them and no one have any objections because they are powerful so if some stick rules are working in Qatar you have to follow them as you are going there just for few days, and you can adjust with this all which is not hard job.

But, talking again and again for things which are no related or surely have impact in past is never been good as you are saying Jamal Khashoggi it's happen in Turkey and I have no doubt it's done by Saudi official, but it's not only or first murder many done by Israel, India and USA for their sack but no one like to talk about this because they have power, and they are hypocrites in my view just talking about Muslims and their belief is surely not good.

I have clarified in one of my previous posts that I don't really care about religion. There are Muslim countries such as Turkey and Morocco, which are quite progressive. My issue is with Arab countries such as Qatar treating their migrant workers like slaves and imposing their regressive culture on others. I would say the same for Christian countries such as Uganda as well. India and US maybe having minor issues related to race and religion. But at least they don't have stone age laws such as the Qataris are having.

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More slogans and campaigns are running to overcome discrimination. Finally these efforts serve to be mere programs that don't make big impact. During the match these cause can be run on the Billboards, so that people will understand the reason behind the armband. Because many things go unnoticed and unknown to the audience.

I am not sure how this will end up. Arabs, especially those in countries such as Qatar and Saudi Arabia are very intolerant to criticism. We all know what happened to Jamal Khashoggi. If the players are courageous enough to wear these armbands, then the Qatari authorities may get provoked and charge them with criminal lawsuits. Anyway, this is a very important lesson for FIFA. Awarding the hosting rights to Qatar was a big mistake. I hope that they will be more careful in the future regarding this.

@Sithara007 sometime I am feeling you are too much biased about Muslim countries because your views are giving this impression about mindset maybe I am wrong but feeling so writing here we have not easy life in any country specially as many calling India and USA as world's democracy champions they are also having many issues which are not fitting into humans rights, but they are working, and these countries are forcing minorities and others to follow them and no one have any objections because they are powerful so if some stick rules are working in Qatar you have to follow them as you are going there just for few days, and you can adjust with this all which is not hard job.

But, talking again and again for things which are no related or surely have impact in past is never been good as you are saying Jamal Khashoggi it's happen in Turkey and I have no doubt it's done by Saudi official, but it's not only or first murder many done by Israel, India and USA for their sack but no one like to talk about this because they have power, and they are hypocrites in my view just talking about Muslims and their belief is surely not good.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on September 21, 2022, 09:34:31 AM

More slogans and campaigns are running to overcome discrimination. Finally these efforts serve to be mere programs that don't make big impact. During the match these cause can be run on the Billboards, so that people will understand the reason behind the armband. Because many things go unnoticed and unknown to the audience.

I am not sure how this will end up. Arabs, especially those in countries such as Qatar and Saudi Arabia are very intolerant to criticism. We all know what happened to Jamal Khashoggi. If the players are courageous enough to wear these armbands, then the Qatari authorities may get provoked and charge them with criminal lawsuits. Anyway, this is a very important lesson for FIFA. Awarding the hosting rights to Qatar was a big mistake. I hope that they will be more careful in the future regarding this.

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Quote from: nullama on September 21, 2022, 09:24:27 AM

Looks like we're going to see many captains wearing this armband in the world cup:

This is for the OneLove campaign which aims to promote diversity and is against discrimination.

Not sure what an armband can do for that, but we'll see it in many European teams captain's arms in this coming world cup.

More slogans and campaigns are running to overcome discrimination. Finally these efforts serve to be mere programs that don't make big impact. During the match these cause can be run on the Billboards, so that people will understand the reason behind the armband. Because many things go unnoticed and unknown to the audience.

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Quote from: blue_hurricanger on September 19, 2022, 04:03:04 AM

I don't have any problem with Qatar being Islamic country. Their country, their rule, I understand that. But if strangers and tourists come to their country for an international event, there should be some leech way here. Because this is a chance to promote your country's tourism industry, not being an arse and flexing your power. Sort of "Yeah my country has a ban on this or that but since you're strangers come from far away, different ideology, religion and such, we'll be lax on you".

There are many countries which have stupid laws but we have to respect them once we are there like in France there is a ban on scarf on women for covering there heads. Between Qatar has relaxed his laws and now viewers who cant survive without alcohol can have beer while watching the game.

This is an international opportunity that places their country on a good edge gor hosting the FIFA world cup and they wouldn't want their internal laws cause some restriction to what they stand to get, if you take a look at the country, you will discover it's fast growing despite it oil boom and cryptocurrency is openly allowed unlike Afghanistan amongs others, this world cup is a tourist adventure on Qatar and this serves open doors to making more money from the event and i trust their security network as well for safety althrough the period.

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Looks like we're going to see many captains wearing this armband in the world cup:

This is for the OneLove campaign which aims to promote diversity and is against discrimination.

Not sure what an armband can do for that, but we'll see it in many European teams captain's arms in this coming world cup.

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Quote from: dezoel on September 21, 2022, 04:40:54 AM

There is too much feud about this all as just because of Qatar is Islamic country, and they are first time hosting event like this with this all I am feeling terrible because right now millions of foreign workers are doing business and job in this country, and they have no issues even mostly are no Muslims, and they are obeying their laws and rules which are implementing when you are in this country for job or business, and you are going to stay here for long time but with this we are only having this event for few days and peoples are crying too much this is surely never been acceptable because you have to understand things how works, and you need to be positive for all things.

Hopefully many updates will be here before start of this event, and we will have no new controversy for this event and FIFA is also working on many aspects which are helpful as you are non-Muslim and going to watch soccer in this conservative Muslim country.

Why are you comparing football fans to migrant workers? Fans are under no obligations to obey the stone age laws in Qatar, as they are spending their hard earned money to watch their favorite players and teams. Migrant workers on the other hand are at the mercy of the Qataris. They are employed in slave like circumstances and need to obey whatever their employer tells them. And don't think that Qatar is doing some sort of charity by hosting this event. They are benefitting enormously, in terms of publicity and increased tourist footfall.

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Quote from: EarnOnVictor on September 20, 2022, 02:14:11 AM

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There are many countries which have stupid laws but we have to respect them once we are there like in France there is a ban on scarf on women for covering there heads. Between Qatar has relaxed his laws and now viewers who cant survive without alcohol can have beer while watching the game.

You have good point there, which buttresses the ones I had discussed earlier. I have read many attacking the decision of FIFA for giving Qatar a chance to host this world cup, but all these do not matter. The question is, can Qatar give us good hosting in terms of the football itself? Yes, they would. Qatar is a Muslim country, and even if they will try to bend some rules, they can't because the world cup sets aside their religion and culture. It is outsiders that should understand and respect it for them.

There is too much feud about this all as just because of Qatar is Islamic country, and they are first time hosting event like this with this all I am feeling terrible because right now millions of foreign workers are doing business and job in this country, and they have no issues even mostly are no Muslims, and they are obeying their laws and rules which are implementing when you are in this country for job or business, and you are going to stay here for long time but with this we are only having this event for few days and peoples are crying too much this is surely never been acceptable because you have to understand things how works, and you need to be positive for all things.

Hopefully many updates will be here before start of this event, and we will have no new controversy for this event and FIFA is also working on many aspects which are helpful as you are non-Muslim and going to watch soccer in this conservative Muslim country.

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Quote from: Smack That Ace on September 19, 2022, 08:49:43 PM

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But the other points that have been raised are valid. Obviously, the laws are different in each country of the world. So, I believe it is not going to be a very big problem for most people. I also think the authority will be cooperative with visitors and tourists.

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I like your point, I don't think this issue is relevant anymore for us to discuss again and again. the article, every country has regulations that must be respected by every foreign citizen who will visit. once there is a world cup show that will be held in Qatar, i think, almost the majority of people who will come directly to visit Qatar are very aware of the rules which of course will be different from the regulations in their country. it should be a benchmark for those who will visit Qatar.

Despite all the discussion about the Qatar controversy, soon we will be watching the EUFA nations League match. and I think, this will be a little entertaining before the world cup tournament performances are held.

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There are many countries which have stupid laws but we have to respect them once we are there like in France there is a ban on scarf on women for covering there heads. Between Qatar has relaxed his laws and now viewers who cant survive without alcohol can have beer while watching the game.

You have good point there, which buttresses the ones I had discussed earlier. I have read many attacking the decision of FIFA for giving Qatar a chance to host this world cup, but all these do not matter. The question is, can Qatar give us good hosting in terms of the football itself? Yes, they would. Qatar is a Muslim country, and even if they will try to bend some rules, they can't because the world cup sets aside their religion and culture. It is outsiders that should understand and respect it for them.

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Quote from: Smack That Ace on September 19, 2022, 08:49:43 PM

If the only problem is Qatar being an Islamic country I really don't think that is the problem for anyone except the person who is saying that it is a problem. Moreover, the problem isn't real, because the problem lies in the mentality of the person. There is no country in the world which is as good as any first-world Islamic country. One of the things that I like about Qatar is that they are not tolerant in any way. They stand for something and that is the religion that they really respect. I really don't have any problems saying if any LGBTQ people feel threatened to come to Qatar to see the world cup, it's not Qatar's problem.

But the other points that have been raised are valid. Obviously, the laws are different in each country of the world. So, I believe it is not going to be a very big problem for most people. I also think the authority will be cooperative with visitors and tourists.

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The fact that Qatar is an Islamic country doesn't have anything to do with the ongoing controversy. There are progressive Islamic nations such as Morocco and Turkey and no one face any issues in these nations (especially LGBTs and unmarried couples). The problem with Qatar is that they have very conservative customs and they want to impose these on the visitors. And don't think that these customs are unique to Arab nations such as Qatar. Some of the third world nations such as Uganda and Kenya do have the same regressive mindset when it comes to LGBTs and live-in couples.

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It's so weird that a country with many restrictions on basic human rights gets to host the World Cup. Heck, Qatar even enforce its rule on the foreigners and tourists, people come to Qatar for the World Cup. Should a World Cup host country be a place of tolerant, natives willing to set aside their traditions, laws, and such for a good host?

"No, my country, my rules. If you have complaints, take it to FIFA". "Who care about international value or being a good host? I pay good money for FIFA to grant me this event and I can flex whatever power I've" Many of you here defend FIFA but the organization has become so shit nowadays.

FIFA or any sports organization can't stop any country from bidding for having rights of hosting event because it's not allowed, so now problem is with Qatar is Islamic country and having their laws and system which is surely for their peoples and those are going into this country for visit or business all have to obey them, and surely we all know how things works now if they are not allowing few things which are against their will then surely we have to accept them as this event is just for 35 to 40 days and many peoples can manage for this time.

Other thing it's first time any Islamic country hosting this event just because of this many peoples like you are feeling frustrated and having no updates about this even now many YouTube and other social media channels are regularly doing things for them and spreading all updates which are important for stay and accommodations into this country.

If the only problem is Qatar being an Islamic country I really don't think that is the problem for anyone except the person who is saying that it is a problem. Moreover, the problem isn't real, because the problem lies in the mentality of the person. There is no country in the world which is as good as any first-world Islamic country. One of the things that I like about Qatar is that they are not tolerant in any way. They stand for something and that is the religion that they really respect. I really don't have any problems saying if any LGBTQ people feel threatened to come to Qatar to see the world cup, it's not Qatar's problem.

But the other points that have been raised are valid. Obviously, the laws are different in each country of the world. So, I believe it is not going to be a very big problem for most people. I also think the authority will be cooperative with visitors and tourists.

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Quote from: KennyR on September 19, 2022, 07:49:43 PM

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This will happen, even for the small minority the association have done the best allowing to enjoy amidst the country's strict rules and regulations. Anyhow at some point there'll be disturbance as everyone won't go along with the flow. By that time things need to be handled in a right way, because for security reasons sometimes outrageous acts will be done which is totally unfair.

Of course it will happen.

It already happened actually, and the World Cup hasn't even started:

Quote from: https://nypost.com/2022/02/23/world-cup-official-facing-100-lashes-7-years-in-qatar-jail-after-reporting-rape/

World Cup official facing 100 lashes, 7 years in Qatar jail after reporting rape

Crazy stories like this will probably be very common when multiple thousands of people from all around the world get there to have a good time.

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Quote from: STT on September 19, 2022, 07:39:10 PM

There are some teams qualified for this World cup who have not been in many years, decades possibly and so its inevitable that fans will be compelled in travelling to Qatar who are entirely unsuitable, cant control themselves and will pay no attention to rules especially not religion. How much trouble is caused and the amount of time to undo all the 'crimes' committed could amount to years of diplomacy to get them back home. People will celebrate with drink and they will drown their sorrows and they wont even even know what side of the planet they are on after a few; I hope this is just a small minority.

This will happen, even for the small minority the association have done the best allowing to enjoy amidst the country's strict rules and regulations. Anyhow at some point there'll be disturbance as everyone won't go along with the flow. By that time things need to be handled in a right way, because for security reasons sometimes outrageous acts will be done which is totally unfair.

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There are some teams qualified for this World cup who have not been in many years, decades possibly and so its inevitable that fans will be compelled in travelling to Qatar who are entirely unsuitable, cant control themselves and will pay no attention to rules especially not religion. How much trouble is caused and the amount of time to undo all the 'crimes' committed could amount to years of diplomacy to get them back home. People will celebrate with drink and they will drown their sorrows and they wont even even know what side of the planet they are on after a few; I hope this is just a small minority.

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Quote from: alegotardo on September 17, 2022, 08:29:13 PM

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I'm sure Qatar will be very well prepared to curb any disorder that may occur during the FIFA World Cup event.
For fans who "can't keep their heads together" after taking a few sips of alcohol, I would recommend not even drinking beer when you go to the stadium, or you could have a bad experience in Qatar behind bars.
We will see what results we will have with this decision, but I am optimistic that the results will be very good and we will have a fantastic World Cup to remember.

There are other laws as well though, we'll have to see how it all works out:

Quote from: https://www.msn.com/en-in/health/medical/qatar-says-no-to-sex-during-fifa-world-cup-2022-fans-can-face-seven-years-of-imprisonment/ar-AAYK57Q

"Sex is very much off the menu, unless you are coming as a husband and wife team," reports the Daily Star reports quoting UK police. "There definitely will be no one-night stands at this tournament. There will be no partying at all really."

"Everyone needs to keep their heads about them, unless they want to risk being stuck in prison… There is essentially a sex ban in place at this year’s World Cup for the first time ever. Fans need to be prepared."

"Fans can also get themselves into trouble if they are caught drunk in public places and there is a death penalty if they are caught smuggling cocaine to Qatar."

Not sure what will happen with multiple thousands of people from all around the world travel to Qatar to watch the world cup and have a great time. There will probably be a clash of cultures.

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