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Quote from: Sithara007 on September 15, 2022, 09:59:04 PM

The drama has started even before the official kickoff of the tournament. If Ecuador is disqualified, then who will replace them? Peru, Chile or Colombia? There is some confusion related to this. Peru is the team that finished at the 5th place (and they lost the playoff to Australia). Colombia is in 6th and Chile is in 7th position.

To understand better:
Peru finished in 4th place, but if Ecuador loses the spot, it will lose the points to another teams, 8 matches to be precise.
The new chart will put Chile in 4 th place, so the spot would be to Chile, not Peru.

Quote from: alegotardo on September 15, 2022, 10:04:26 PM

I believe that, unfortunately, Ecuador should be eliminated from the World Cup.

To be honest, I think FIFA will punish the player Byron Castillo, he will pay some fines, be out of a lot of matches, but FIFA will keep Ecuador on World Cup.
If Fifa decides to punish Ecuador, Peru and another teams will probably see a chance to fight to the spot and will be more complicated.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on September 15, 2022, 05:31:19 AM

Realistically, I really don't believe that any police in the world, and even the one in Qatar, would be able to control thousands of fans from many countries around the world, and check what exactly they drink from a bottle, water or maybe alcohol? Grin

It's simply an impossible mission and it is good that the organizers in Qatar realized this and adapted their very strict rules for the world championship.
Now fans going to Qatar have one less thing to worry about Grin

Qatar has signed a deal with Pakistan Army and Pakistan will also take care of the security during the world cup.
I am not sure if the Pakistani force will be able to manage such a big crowd but than again - looking fwd for the great arrangements.

This is a solution taken, when on the day when the World Cup is held there will definitely be something unexpected. We all know that everyone will respond differently to the rules that are enforced, some do comply and vice versa. It was quite difficult to control the number of people who would attend. But how do we hope that everything that is published is as desired.

When things are planned and managed without flaws it is possible to overcome the unexpected problems that arise. There is very low chances of some problems, because the requirements were the tickets and the security check. Only the audience with ticket will be allowed after security check. So, the crowd management isn't a problem as the number of visitors were already known.

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Quote from: sovie on September 15, 2022, 04:07:08 PM

Quote from: Daniel91 on September 15, 2022, 05:31:19 AM

Realistically, I really don't believe that any police in the world, and even the one in Qatar, would be able to control thousands of fans from many countries around the world, and check what exactly they drink from a bottle, water or maybe alcohol? Grin

It's simply an impossible mission and it is good that the organizers in Qatar realized this and adapted their very strict rules for the world championship.
Now fans going to Qatar have one less thing to worry about Grin

Qatar has signed a deal with Pakistan Army and Pakistan will also take care of the security during the world cup.
I am not sure if the Pakistani force will be able to manage such a big crowd but than again - looking fwd for the great arrangements.

This is a solution taken, when on the day when the World Cup is held there will definitely be something unexpected. We all know that everyone will respond differently to the rules that are enforced, some do comply and vice versa. It was quite difficult to control the number of people who would attend. But how do we hope that everything that is published is as desired.

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Quote from: alegotardo on September 15, 2022, 10:04:26 PM

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This Thursday a key virtual hearing was held for the case that has the selection of Ecuador since Chili ensures that the player Tri Byron Castillo in reality he is Colombian and therefore should not have disputed any of the eight games who played in the playoffs.
FIFA must make a decision in the next 20 days.

Source: https://www.americanchronicles.news/key-hearing-for-the-byron-castillo-case-the-evidence-presented-by-chile-and-what-fifa-could-decide-on-ecuador/

So in 20 days, max October 5, we will know if Ecuador will participate or not the next World Cup.
If not, Chile will be the squad to occupy the spot, I suspect they are already preparing to play.

Oct 5 is only 46 days to the first game, coincidentally Ecuardor will play the first match.

I believe that, unfortunately, Ecuador should be eliminated from the World Cup.

To make matters worse, Byron Castillo decided not to attend the FIFA hearing that he may decide to exclude Ecuador, and this must have made FIFA even angrier.

I even agree that Chile and Peru may be creating a disproportionate controversy, but the absence of Bryon Castillo to clarify the facts is very poorly seen by all who accompany football.

The shocking confession by Byron Castillo to using a fake birth certificate was reported by Sportsmail. I also agree with your opinion. Qatar 2022 World Cup in danger of being canceled for Ecuador. As a result of Ecuador being eliminated and forfeiting all its games, Chile moves up to fourth place in the South American qualifying round. Keeping up with things is somewhat interesting at the moment.

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Quote from: alegotardo on September 15, 2022, 10:04:26 PM

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This Thursday a key virtual hearing was held for the case that has the selection of Ecuador since Chili ensures that the player Tri Byron Castillo in reality he is Colombian and therefore should not have disputed any of the eight games who played in the playoffs.
FIFA must make a decision in the next 20 days.

Source: https://www.americanchronicles.news/key-hearing-for-the-byron-castillo-case-the-evidence-presented-by-chile-and-what-fifa-could-decide-on-ecuador/

So in 20 days, max October 5, we will know if Ecuador will participate or not the next World Cup.
If not, Chile will be the squad to occupy the spot, I suspect they are already preparing to play.

Oct 5 is only 46 days to the first game, coincidentally Ecuardor will play the first match.

I believe that, unfortunately, Ecuador should be eliminated from the World Cup.

To make matters worse, Byron Castillo decided not to attend the FIFA hearing that he may decide to exclude Ecuador, and this must have made FIFA even angrier.

I even agree that Chile and Peru may be creating a disproportionate controversy, but the absence of Bryon Castillo to clarify the facts is very poorly seen by all who accompany football.

This case is one I have been aware for a very long time and I think FIFA at the time had already decided that this was not a big issue, as it is customary with them, I wonder what has happened that it has brought this issue back to the table that now they need to take an urgent decision, personally based on what I know I think Ecuador should be disqualified from the World Cup, but since we are talking about FIFA I'm not so sure this is something that will actually happen.

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Quote from: rdluffy on September 15, 2022, 05:15:28 PM

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This Thursday a key virtual hearing was held for the case that has the selection of Ecuador since Chili ensures that the player Tri Byron Castillo in reality he is Colombian and therefore should not have disputed any of the eight games who played in the playoffs.
FIFA must make a decision in the next 20 days.

Source: https://www.americanchronicles.news/key-hearing-for-the-byron-castillo-case-the-evidence-presented-by-chile-and-what-fifa-could-decide-on-ecuador/

So in 20 days, max October 5, we will know if Ecuador will participate or not the next World Cup.
If not, Chile will be the squad to occupy the spot, I suspect they are already preparing to play.

Oct 5 is only 46 days to the first game, coincidentally Ecuardor will play the first match.

I believe that, unfortunately, Ecuador should be eliminated from the World Cup.

To make matters worse, Byron Castillo decided not to attend the FIFA hearing that he may decide to exclude Ecuador, and this must have made FIFA even angrier.

I even agree that Chile and Peru may be creating a disproportionate controversy, but the absence of Bryon Castillo to clarify the facts is very poorly seen by all who accompany football.

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The drama has started even before the official kickoff of the tournament. If Ecuador is disqualified, then who will replace them? Peru, Chile or Colombia? There is some confusion related to this. Peru is the team that finished at the 5th place (and they lost the playoff to Australia). Colombia is in 6th and Chile is in 7th position. IMO, if Ecuador gets suspended, then the slot should be awarded to Italy, since they are the highest ranking team among all those who have failed to qualify to Qatar 2022. CONMEBOL doesn't deserve 4 slots anyway, if the member nations fight among each other like this.

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Quote from: rdluffy on September 15, 2022, 05:15:28 PM

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This Thursday a key virtual hearing was held for the case that has the selection of Ecuador since Chili ensures that the player Tri Byron Castillo in reality he is Colombian and therefore should not have disputed any of the eight games who played in the playoffs.
FIFA must make a decision in the next 20 days.

Source: https://www.americanchronicles.news/key-hearing-for-the-byron-castillo-case-the-evidence-presented-by-chile-and-what-fifa-could-decide-on-ecuador/

So in 20 days, max October 5, we will know if Ecuador will participate or not the next World Cup.
If not, Chile will be the squad to occupy the spot, I suspect they are already preparing to play.

Oct 5 is only 46 days to the first game, coincidentally Ecuardor will play the first match.

Yeah, pretty much. We now have to just wait and see what happens.

Interestingly in the article they're suggesting even Peru could qualify given an scenario where they don't give a 3 - 0 victory to the opposing team. I don't think I've ever seen that sanction, but I guess there are many open ends still.

The new audio is very interesting. Let's see what they decide in the end.

This whole thing is like a telenovela Grin

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on September 14, 2022, 11:25:22 AM

We agree, as long as the rules do not harm football fans, especially for those who attend the World Cup which will be held, there will be no problem.
Moreover, the Qatari government has relaxed the rules related to alcohol consumption during the World Cup, although with some conditions that are its provisions.
Qatar is the first country hosting the World Cup which is a Muslim country. of course it will have an impact on the strict circulation of alcoholic beverages which are forbidden for Muslims. however, the problem has been resolved with the easing agreed by the organizers.

The spectators will be allowed to drink alcohol three hours before kick-off and one hour after the final whistle, I think this is a win win solution.

Yes that would be a good solution, however everyone should respect this. And this is something I think should be a good solution.
The organizers have considered this, and of course it is adjusted to the conditions of the country where the World Cup is currently being held. Hopefully this can be accepted by all parties including football fans, and it should be.

Realistically, I really don't believe that any police in the world, and even the one in Qatar, would be able to control thousands of fans from many countries around the world, and check what exactly they drink from a bottle, water or maybe alcohol? Grin

It's simply an impossible mission and it is good that the organizers in Qatar realized this and adapted their very strict rules for the world championship.
Now fans going to Qatar have one less thing to worry about Grin

I would be very very careful with such an assessment. When you drink a beer or anything else in California public, it costs you 200 bucks or so. Should the police catch you drinking alcohol in Qatar at a time and in a place that was not part of the agreement they now published, I am not entirely sure how that will end. They will probably be less strict with tourists especially because it is also so much about politics and public reputation, but if you ask me I prefer to get caught by the police in California over getting caught by the police in Qatar.

If I were a tourist in Qatar I would definitely avoid getting wasted and lose control in the slightest. It could even be a stupid sentence with no bad intentions that gets you into very tough and serious trouble. A sentence is not even meant the way and rather represents a typical saying could get you into trouble. I would suggest everyone to be more careful than elsewhere.

Furthermore, even if people themselves aren't drinking, they must pay attention to what their companions are doing, because if the police spots a friend of you doing something illegal, they can punish the entire group. That was already said weeks or a month ago, can't remember exactly, and it looks a really important detail to remember.

Tourists, especially the ones from Europe are seen as wealthy individuals, so I don't doubt some shady officers may try to use the local laws and their authority to earn extra cash through bribery. You are totally right by pointing out tourists should do their best to avoid any kind of issues in foreign lands.

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This Thursday a key virtual hearing was held for the case that has the selection of Ecuador since Chili ensures that the player Tri Byron Castillo in reality he is Colombian and therefore should not have disputed any of the eight games who played in the playoffs.
FIFA must make a decision in the next 20 days.

Source: https://www.americanchronicles.news/key-hearing-for-the-byron-castillo-case-the-evidence-presented-by-chile-and-what-fifa-could-decide-on-ecuador/

So in 20 days, max October 5, we will know if Ecuador will participate or not the next World Cup.
If not, Chile will be the squad to occupy the spot, I suspect they are already preparing to play.

Oct 5 is only 46 days to the first game, coincidentally Ecuardor will play the first match.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on September 15, 2022, 05:31:19 AM

Realistically, I really don't believe that any police in the world, and even the one in Qatar, would be able to control thousands of fans from many countries around the world, and check what exactly they drink from a bottle, water or maybe alcohol? Grin

It's simply an impossible mission and it is good that the organizers in Qatar realized this and adapted their very strict rules for the world championship.
Now fans going to Qatar have one less thing to worry about Grin

Qatar has signed a deal with Pakistan Army and Pakistan will also take care of the security during the world cup.
I am not sure if the Pakistani force will be able to manage such a big crowd but than again - looking fwd for the great arrangements.

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Quote from: Daniel91 on September 15, 2022, 05:31:19 AM

Quote from: maju69 on September 15, 2022, 03:24:34 AM

Quote from: rahmad2nd on September 14, 2022, 11:25:22 AM

We agree, as long as the rules do not harm football fans, especially for those who attend the World Cup which will be held, there will be no problem.
Moreover, the Qatari government has relaxed the rules related to alcohol consumption during the World Cup, although with some conditions that are its provisions.
Qatar is the first country hosting the World Cup which is a Muslim country. of course it will have an impact on the strict circulation of alcoholic beverages which are forbidden for Muslims. however, the problem has been resolved with the easing agreed by the organizers.

The spectators will be allowed to drink alcohol three hours before kick-off and one hour after the final whistle, I think this is a win win solution.

Yes that would be a good solution, however everyone should respect this. And this is something I think should be a good solution.
The organizers have considered this, and of course it is adjusted to the conditions of the country where the World Cup is currently being held. Hopefully this can be accepted by all parties including football fans, and it should be.

Realistically, I really don't believe that any police in the world, and even the one in Qatar, would be able to control thousands of fans from many countries around the world, and check what exactly they drink from a bottle, water or maybe alcohol? Grin

It's simply an impossible mission and it is good that the organizers in Qatar realized this and adapted their very strict rules for the world championship.
Now fans going to Qatar have one less thing to worry about Grin

I would be very very careful with such an assessment. When you drink a beer or anything else in California public, it costs you 200 bucks or so. Should the police catch you drinking alcohol in Qatar at a time and in a place that was not part of the agreement they now published, I am not entirely sure how that will end. They will probably be less strict with tourists especially because it is also so much about politics and public reputation, but if you ask me I prefer to get caught by the police in California over getting caught by the police in Qatar.

If I were a tourist in Qatar I would definitely avoid getting wasted and lose control in the slightest. It could even be a stupid sentence with no bad intentions that gets you into very tough and serious trouble. A sentence is not even meant the way and rather represents a typical saying could get you into trouble. I would suggest everyone to be more careful than elsewhere.

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Quote from: maju69 on September 15, 2022, 03:24:34 AM

Quote from: rahmad2nd on September 14, 2022, 11:25:22 AM

We agree, as long as the rules do not harm football fans, especially for those who attend the World Cup which will be held, there will be no problem.
Moreover, the Qatari government has relaxed the rules related to alcohol consumption during the World Cup, although with some conditions that are its provisions.
Qatar is the first country hosting the World Cup which is a Muslim country. of course it will have an impact on the strict circulation of alcoholic beverages which are forbidden for Muslims. however, the problem has been resolved with the easing agreed by the organizers.

The spectators will be allowed to drink alcohol three hours before kick-off and one hour after the final whistle, I think this is a win win solution.

Yes that would be a good solution, however everyone should respect this. And this is something I think should be a good solution.
The organizers have considered this, and of course it is adjusted to the conditions of the country where the World Cup is currently being held. Hopefully this can be accepted by all parties including football fans, and it should be.

Realistically, I really don't believe that any police in the world, and even the one in Qatar, would be able to control thousands of fans from many countries around the world, and check what exactly they drink from a bottle, water or maybe alcohol? Grin

It's simply an impossible mission and it is good that the organizers in Qatar realized this and adapted their very strict rules for the world championship.
Now fans going to Qatar have one less thing to worry about Grin

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on September 14, 2022, 11:25:22 AM

We agree, as long as the rules do not harm football fans, especially for those who attend the World Cup which will be held, there will be no problem.
Moreover, the Qatari government has relaxed the rules related to alcohol consumption during the World Cup, although with some conditions that are its provisions.
Qatar is the first country hosting the World Cup which is a Muslim country. of course it will have an impact on the strict circulation of alcoholic beverages which are forbidden for Muslims. however, the problem has been resolved with the easing agreed by the organizers.

The spectators will be allowed to drink alcohol three hours before kick-off and one hour after the final whistle, I think this is a win win solution.

Yes that would be a good solution, however everyone should respect this. And this is something I think should be a good solution.
The organizers have considered this, and of course it is adjusted to the conditions of the country where the World Cup is currently being held. Hopefully this can be accepted by all parties including football fans, and it should be.

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Quote from: shogun47 on September 14, 2022, 06:37:19 PM

There is hardly anything to add to this. Countries like Qatar don't host a World Cup because they think they can make money by just hosting it. They do that to polish their reputation throughout the world through psychological manipulation. That is how people work. All of us watch the World Cup, there will be zero to none negative press in Qatar's television. Everyone will be smiling and then the positive feelings and enthusiasm of fans who lie in their arms and celebrate an exciting event. That is what pays off for them. Nothing will change for people who live in danger and fear in Qatar. 6,000 dead people is the absolute minimum estimation as far as I know. It's probably at least double the number and that should have been criticized way harder than it actually was.

Regarding the beer question which seems so important here, the reason that there will be beer is because brewers like Anheuser-Busch InBev put a lot of pressure on the FIFA to get issues resolved with Qatar that there can be beer. It is not because Qatar thinks they want to also welcome Western fans with open arms and demonstrate their good will with a nice gesture. It is because there is political pressure involved and a long-term vision regarding the way how they are perceived globally.

OK. I understand. A much more easier approach would be to treat visitors (both tourists and migrant workers) with a bit of humanity. Anyway, I am not expecting anything from the Arab nations on this regard.

I can understand the concern from Anheuser-Busch and others. They are spending huge amounts of money to sponsor FIFA events. And then the organizers claim that they can't display advertisements or allow the drinks because it is against the local laws. OK. Fine. Then FIFA should reimburse the sponsors. But they are not ready to do that as well.

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Quote from: alegotardo on September 14, 2022, 08:56:01 PM

~snip~
I think this decision was very right.

Qatar is a country that values order and nothing better than controlling the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages, as they are one of the main incentives for chaos, especially at events and festivities where people tend to cross the line.

Those who still want to drink can purchase alcoholic beverages inside hotels and nightclubs as these places have a license to sell. And for those who want to buy at home, all over the country there is an authorized distributor that allows you to buy and consume in a controlled way... I don't think this is as restrictive as they say.

There's also this other aspect that not many people have talked about:

Quote from: https://thetrumpet.ng/qatar-bans-extramarital/

Qatar government have banned extramarital sex between two unmarried people in the 2022 FIFA World Cup, stating that culprits risk seven years of jail terms.

Things are going to be very interesting there, specially after a few beers...

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Quote from: rahmad2nd on September 14, 2022, 11:25:22 AM

The spectators will be allowed to drink alcohol three hours before kick-off and one hour after the final whistle, I think this is a win win solution.

I think this decision was very right.

Qatar is a country that values order and nothing better than controlling the sale and consumption of alcoholic beverages, as they are one of the main incentives for chaos, especially at events and festivities where people tend to cross the line.

Those who still want to drink can purchase alcoholic beverages inside hotels and nightclubs as these places have a license to sell. And for those who want to buy at home, all over the country there is an authorized distributor that allows you to buy and consume in a controlled way... I don't think this is as restrictive as they say.

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These are obviously some publicity stunts that are going to be done by the Qatar authorities. Almost every country does that in my opinion. But I would be really happy if Qatar does not look at it only as a money-making opportunity. I would be happy if Qatar thinks about this as a money-making opportunity and also an opportunity to get recognized in the world because of football. I don't have any high expectations from them in the world cup but I believe that they can do well and learn a lot of things from this world cup. Which is going to be really good for them in the long run if they are actually serious about it.

I don't agree with their thinking. They are assuming that if they splash money and show off their wealth, then everyone will respect them. That is not the case. They would have earned far more respect if they give adequate compensation to the 6,000 or so workers who died during the construction of the world cup stadiums. This tournament is being held over the dead bodies of thousands of poor laborers. And on top of all this, they are also harassing unmarried couples, LGBT individuals and fans who want to have a pint of beer.

There is hardly anything to add to this. Countries like Qatar don't host a World Cup because they think they can make money by just hosting it. They do that to polish their reputation throughout the world through psychological manipulation. That is how people work. All of us watch the World Cup, there will be zero to none negative press in Qatar's television. Everyone will be smiling and then the positive feelings and enthusiasm of fans who lie in their arms and celebrate an exciting event. That is what pays off for them. Nothing will change for people who live in danger and fear in Qatar. 6,000 dead people is the absolute minimum estimation as far as I know. It's probably at least double the number and that should have been criticized way harder than it actually was.

Regarding the beer question which seems so important here, the reason that there will be beer is because brewers like Anheuser-Busch InBev put a lot of pressure on the FIFA to get issues resolved with Qatar that there can be beer. It is not because Qatar thinks they want to also welcome Western fans with open arms and demonstrate their good will with a nice gesture. It is because there is political pressure involved and a long-term vision regarding the way how they are perceived globally.

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We agree, as long as the rules do not harm football fans, especially for those who attend the World Cup which will be held, there will be no problem.
Moreover, the Qatari government has relaxed the rules related to alcohol consumption during the World Cup, although with some conditions that are its provisions.
Qatar is the first country hosting the World Cup which is a Muslim country. of course it will have an impact on the strict circulation of alcoholic beverages which are forbidden for Muslims. however, the problem has been resolved with the easing agreed by the organizers.

The spectators will be allowed to drink alcohol three hours before kick-off and one hour after the final whistle, I think this is a win win solution.

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but is it possible that at the world cup event, the country of Qatar will make concessions to all visitors to buy and drink alcohol in public places?

I had heard in a news that they will slightly attenuate the alcohol ban for the FIFA World Cup 2022. And also heard that there may be a ban on drinking alcohol in the open place, but a separate reserved area will provide for drinking alcohol for only the foreigners. But in my opinion, there is nothing to worry about drinking alcohol or not, as long as the enjoyment of the game is correct

Forbidding a football fan to drink beer is the equivalent of banning hot dogs at a baseball game, mind you, I understand your point and in fact, above all, the World Cup is a family event, it even takes years for some to plan a trip to the World Cup football.

The point is that without a doubt you can watch a soccer game without alcoholic beverages but they are there for the commercial and advertising business they represent, but the prohibitions of those Arab countries are known and they have had to open cultural thoughts to allow it.

As a result, I think we should not ignore any kind of religious beliefs of any kind of people and as a consequence, I think we should obey whatever rules they set.

If they were to create some space where they would be able to sell alcoholic drinks, I think that would be a much better option than fully banning them on the ground.
As for football itself, I believe that it can also be enjoyed without alcoholic beverages, so I do not think it should be that big of an issue for those who attend the game.

One thing I would like to mention is that FIFA should have taken the time to get to know the culture of the Arab countries before they decided to make them the hosts and now that they have already chosen them for the role, they will now have to deal with the rules and regulations of the country or their religious beliefs.

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