FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread - page 191.

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on August 16, 2023, 10:22:14 PM

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The performance of these four teams, Germany, Netherlands, Denmark or Italy, is not the same as before, we have noticed a lot of decline in their performance in the last World Cup. Germany was eliminated from the group stage in the last World Cup. The performance of these teams in Europe must change.

Yeah.. I should have added Italy as well. Until the late 1990s, they constantly ranked as one of the top-5 teams. Now they are not even in top-10 and for Qatar 2022 they didn't even managed to qualify. Central European teams are having serious issues in replacing their retiring players. And this is happening despite the fact that quality of their national leagues remain intact. At the same time, teams like England and France are not facing this issue. A lot of quality players are rising through the ranks in these two nations.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 16, 2023, 12:46:28 PM

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Football is first priority in some countries like Brazil, that's why we can see people think a country like Brazil got more chance to win the world cup ticket than other teams in CONMEBOL, also since the European countries invest much more than other countries, we usually see these teams on Europe have better performance in world cup every year.

The advantage with European teams is that they have the best football leagues in the world. This means that their younger players get a chance to play with some of the best in football. This is a luxury that is not provided to the younger players in CONMEBOL, AFC or CAF. However, the situation is changing now, as Saudi league is gaining a lot of traction. Even then, it is just this one league in AFC, while all the other popular leagues are in UEFA. And despite all this, some of the UEFA teams are in continuous decline (Germany, Netherlands, Danmark.etc).

Its not guarantee with their opportunity for winning FIFA World Cup, you can see what happen England have competitive league and the best around the world but their national team difficult become the winner. Have been more than 50 years England never won World Cup and best achievement lead to semifinal stage. Usually UEFA national teams have bigger chance winning World Cup but last edition on FIFA World Cup 2022 Qatar have CONMEBOL national teams Argentina success become the champion. I am little disappointed with Asian national teams failed to lead until semifinal or final stage and last achievement from South Korea success become third position in World Cup 2002 and have been twenty years.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 16, 2023, 12:46:28 PM

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Football is first priority in some countries like Brazil, that's why we can see people think a country like Brazil got more chance to win the world cup ticket than other teams in CONMEBOL, also since the European countries invest much more than other countries, we usually see these teams on Europe have better performance in world cup every year.

The advantage with European teams is that they have the best football leagues in the world. This means that their younger players get a chance to play with some of the best in football. This is a luxury that is not provided to the younger players in CONMEBOL, AFC or CAF. However, the situation is changing now, as Saudi league is gaining a lot of traction. Even then, it is just this one league in AFC, while all the other popular leagues are in UEFA. And despite all this, some of the UEFA teams are in continuous decline (Germany, Netherlands, Danmark.etc).

Every player from European countries plays football for different clubs for a whole season, which gives European teams an added advantage when it comes to team building. Very few players from African or Asian teams play for some European clubs and they don't get a chance to play a lot of matches throughout the season, so chances of Asian or African teams doing well are very low. Asian or Latin American teams never counter it with European teams, the main reason is that Asian or Latin American players are relatively less powerful than European players, which is why European teams have the most success in countering it.

The performance of these four teams, Germany, Netherlands, Denmark or Italy, is not the same as before, we have noticed a lot of decline in their performance in the last World Cup. Germany was eliminated from the group stage in the last World Cup. The performance of these teams in Europe must change.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on August 16, 2023, 07:50:05 AM

Football is first priority in some countries like Brazil, that's why we can see people think a country like Brazil got more chance to win the world cup ticket than other teams in CONMEBOL, also since the European countries invest much more than other countries, we usually see these teams on Europe have better performance in world cup every year.

I feel like it's more like a cultural thing than anything else. Argentina is not a rich nation at all, they do not have money to invest into anything at all, most of the players that become world stars ended up getting there from a poor family that lived in terrible sheds as well. I believe that there are some born rich ones as well, but not all of them at all. This is why I believe that we need to make sure that things look as good as it could potentially look.

I understand that it is not going to be easy to handle but it is still a situation to see and should be considered a big deal. I know that we are at a stage where we just have to accept whichever teams go from which continent, but it's cultural and not money related.

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Football is first priority in some countries like Brazil, that's why we can see people think a country like Brazil got more chance to win the world cup ticket than other teams in CONMEBOL, also since the European countries invest much more than other countries, we usually see these teams on Europe have better performance in world cup every year.

The advantage with European teams is that they have the best football leagues in the world. This means that their younger players get a chance to play with some of the best in football. This is a luxury that is not provided to the younger players in CONMEBOL, AFC or CAF. However, the situation is changing now, as Saudi league is gaining a lot of traction. Even then, it is just this one league in AFC, while all the other popular leagues are in UEFA. And despite all this, some of the UEFA teams are in continuous decline (Germany, Netherlands, Danmark.etc).

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 15, 2023, 03:01:54 AM

What a load of BS? Just 1.5 slots for these quality teams? Automatic qualification for hosts worked in the past when there was no "co-host" system. But now 4-5 countries are hosting the tournament in one go and all of them want to get direct entry to the world cup. How that is going to work? There should be a limit for direct entries. Maybe in 2034, a dozen countries will put forward a bid to co-host the tournament. What the FIFA is going to do? Are they going to give direct entry to all these 12 teams? IMO, direct entry should be provided to just one team.

That's how hosting works, when you have a team that's hosting, you just have to accept the fact that it's not going to be easy to get in for other teams. I understand that it is going to be tough and I understand that it's not "fair" looking, but at the same time there will be some teams that will end up getting automatic entry in other continents if it wasn't in this continent.

Like what if it was England-France-Netherlands that joined, they would get automatic entry as well, and there will be three teams that will argue, to be fair those three would probably get in anyway, but this three got in anyway as well. All in all, I bet that this is as fair as it gets on the long run, because it happens to everyone equally.

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Quote from: Litzki1990 on August 16, 2023, 04:11:45 AM

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I feel bad about teams like Bolivia and Venezuela. They are much stronger if we compare them with teams such as Danmark and Canada. But they almost never get a chance to participate in the world cup because the number of slots allotted to CONMEBOL is quite limited. And this is why I have always argued that although the first set of 32 teams should be decided on the basis of continental qualifiers, the remaining 16 teams should come from a global qualifying tournament. BTW, when was the last time that Venezuela participated in the FIFA world cup?

World Cup never intended to be fair in reality. European countries are the best teams in the world and have the best players so they have more chances to qualify, yet sometimes top Nations like Italy might risk not playing there if they were not fit.
Asian, African, North Americans and Oceania teams performance are quite limited and their chances to succeed is limited.
South America, Conmebol, comes after UEFA and it is dominated by Brazil and Argentina most of the time. The other teams chances are quite the same.

Europeans have always dominated the World Cup tournament since its inception. Brazil and Argentina are the only Latin American countries outside of Europe that have done well at the World Cup, and no other continent has had any significant success at the World Cup. All the countries that have won the World Cup trophy so far are from Europe and America. So far, no country outside of Europe and America has been able to make a significant performance in the World Cup. Teams from Asia and Africa who qualify for the World Cup don't do very well against the Europeans. As an African country, Morocco played in the semi-finals of the last World Cup, the highest achievement for an African country to play in the semi-finals.

Football is first priority in some countries like Brazil, that's why we can see people think a country like Brazil got more chance to win the world cup ticket than other teams in CONMEBOL, also since the European countries invest much more than other countries, we usually see these teams on Europe have better performance in world cup every year.

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I feel bad about teams like Bolivia and Venezuela. They are much stronger if we compare them with teams such as Danmark and Canada. But they almost never get a chance to participate in the world cup because the number of slots allotted to CONMEBOL is quite limited. And this is why I have always argued that although the first set of 32 teams should be decided on the basis of continental qualifiers, the remaining 16 teams should come from a global qualifying tournament. BTW, when was the last time that Venezuela participated in the FIFA world cup?

World Cup never intended to be fair in reality. European countries are the best teams in the world and have the best players so they have more chances to qualify, yet sometimes top Nations like Italy might risk not playing there if they were not fit.
Asian, African, North Americans and Oceania teams performance are quite limited and their chances to succeed is limited.
South America, Conmebol, comes after UEFA and it is dominated by Brazil and Argentina most of the time. The other teams chances are quite the same.

Europeans have always dominated the World Cup tournament since its inception. Brazil and Argentina are the only Latin American countries outside of Europe that have done well at the World Cup, and no other continent has had any significant success at the World Cup. All the countries that have won the World Cup trophy so far are from Europe and America. So far, no country outside of Europe and America has been able to make a significant performance in the World Cup. Teams from Asia and Africa who qualify for the World Cup don't do very well against the Europeans. As an African country, Morocco played in the semi-finals of the last World Cup, the highest achievement for an African country to play in the semi-finals.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on August 15, 2023, 03:01:54 AM

What a load of BS? Just 1.5 slots for these quality teams? Automatic qualification for hosts worked in the past when there was no "co-host" system. But now 4-5 countries are hosting the tournament in one go and all of them want to get direct entry to the world cup. How that is going to work? There should be a limit for direct entries. Maybe in 2034, a dozen countries will put forward a bid to co-host the tournament. What the FIFA is going to do? Are they going to give direct entry to all these 12 teams? IMO, direct entry should be provided to just one team.

I agree with you on this statement partially because right now we have laps in this new system with co-hosting, but surely we are never going to have 6 or 12 countries are going to host any event because this is never been ideal in practically and FIFA also never go to do experiments like these but still they need to think about this all, and surely we need some better changes for this as well because now with this we already have four teams into group stages which is surely problem.

Here, we need some limits or any strategy which helps for the countries which are going to play qualifiers here we need a competition where these hosts will play, and then we will have just one or two countries to be direct qualifier and all others have to play qualifiers which will make some sense for the all countries as well.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on August 15, 2023, 09:28:46 AM

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I think the main reason of why Brazil qualifies in the world cup every year is mostly because other than Argentina and Brazil other teams in this confederation are not strong enough and they can't race with Brazil for getting qualified that's one good reason for these two teams Brazil and Argentina to have a great chance in every world cup.

All 10 teams from CONMEBOL have world class football skills, and all of them would do great at the World Cup.

Yes, overall Brazil and Argentina are usually better, but the quality of the rest of the teams is really high as well.

Compared to the rest of the world, all these 10 teams are better than most.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on August 15, 2023, 09:28:46 AM

I think the main reason of why Brazil qualifies in the world cup every year is mostly because other than Argentina and Brazil other teams in this confederation are not strong enough and they can't race with Brazil for getting qualified that's one good reason for these two teams Brazil and Argentina to have a great chance in every world cup.

LOL.. have you paid attention to the previous editions of the CONMEBOL qualifiers? It is not easy for Brazil and there were frequent instances of lower ranking teams defeating Brazil. Back in 2018 qualifiers, Chile managed to defeat Brazil by a margin of 2-0. Before that, in 2010 Paraguay managed to defeat them 2-0 and they also famously lost to Bolivia by a margin of 2-1. Bolivia is considered as one of the weakest teams in CONMEBOL, and Paraguay and Chile didn't managed to qualify for the 2022 World Cup. So in short, it is not always a cakewalk for Brazil.

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The current system seems to be as fine as it is, and I think it is going to be fine as well. I think it is going to be something that will be important for the time being and I guess it will definitely matter when the time comes. I think it is going to be important and we are going to see it change a lot. This should be important and we need to have a situation where it will not be simple.

We just need to make sure that life is not that simple for these teams, you can't just take them all and we pick the best ones. This amount of teams would be fine, it is not a lot, it is not not enough neither, it is just enough and this makes sure that they are sending their best teams and will do as much good as it possibly could in the end.

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Quote from: nullama on August 15, 2023, 01:48:31 AM

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In practice it would be 5 teams competing for 1.5 spots, as Brazil has qualified to every single world cup and I do not think we are about to see such an exception, so if the South American bid won the rights to host the world cup the rest of the teams will be under enormous pressure as they will have almost no room for error and a single loss or draw can be enough to get them out of the race to get a ticket to the world cup, so if anything that particular qualifier should be incredibly difficult due to the quality of the teams participating and the limited number of spots available.

You're absolutely right. Brazil will probably qualify undefeated.

As you said, that would leave Bolivia, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, and Venezuela with only 1.5 slots. I think Colombia would get the direct slot and the 0.5 will be battled between Ecuador and Peru, leaving Bolivia and Venezuela completely out. It's going to be a really tough one.

I think the main reason of why Brazil qualifies in the world cup every year is mostly because other than Argentina and Brazil other teams in this confederation are not strong enough and they can't race with Brazil for getting qualified that's one good reason for these two teams Brazil and Argentina to have a great chance in every world cup.

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Quote from: nullama on August 15, 2023, 01:48:31 AM

Quote from: Silberman on August 14, 2023, 11:08:00 PM

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In practice it would be 5 teams competing for 1.5 spots, as Brazil has qualified to every single world cup and I do not think we are about to see such an exception, so if the South American bid won the rights to host the world cup the rest of the teams will be under enormous pressure as they will have almost no room for error and a single loss or draw can be enough to get them out of the race to get a ticket to the world cup, so if anything that particular qualifier should be incredibly difficult due to the quality of the teams participating and the limited number of spots available.

You're absolutely right. Brazil will probably qualify undefeated.

As you said, that would leave Bolivia, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, and Venezuela with only 1.5 slots. I think Colombia would get the direct slot and the 0.5 will be battled between Ecuador and Peru, leaving Bolivia and Venezuela completely out. It's going to be a really tough one.

What a load of BS? Just 1.5 slots for these quality teams? Automatic qualification for hosts worked in the past when there was no "co-host" system. But now 4-5 countries are hosting the tournament in one go and all of them want to get direct entry to the world cup. How that is going to work? There should be a limit for direct entries. Maybe in 2034, a dozen countries will put forward a bid to co-host the tournament. What the FIFA is going to do? Are they going to give direct entry to all these 12 teams? IMO, direct entry should be provided to just one team.

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Quote from: Silberman on August 14, 2023, 11:08:00 PM

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In practice it would be 5 teams competing for 1.5 spots, as Brazil has qualified to every single world cup and I do not think we are about to see such an exception, so if the South American bid won the rights to host the world cup the rest of the teams will be under enormous pressure as they will have almost no room for error and a single loss or draw can be enough to get them out of the race to get a ticket to the world cup, so if anything that particular qualifier should be incredibly difficult due to the quality of the teams participating and the limited number of spots available.

You're absolutely right. Brazil will probably qualify undefeated.

As you said, that would leave Bolivia, Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, and Venezuela with only 1.5 slots. I think Colombia would get the direct slot and the 0.5 will be battled between Ecuador and Peru, leaving Bolivia and Venezuela completely out. It's going to be a really tough one.

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Quote from: nullama on August 13, 2023, 09:25:11 PM

I think that 6.5 slots for CONMEBOL is a fair amount.

Historically there have been only 4.5 slots for 10 teams. The thing is that all of those 10 teams are strong and would perform great at the world cup. So only having 4 or 5 is a shame.

Now with up to 7 teams, I think it's reasonable. More would be too much, I think this is the maximum, 70% of the teams.

If they decide to go with the South American bid for the 2030 world cup, that would be a very interesting qualification, because it would be hosted by 4 teams: Uruguay, Argentina, Chile, Paraguay.

With the current rules, the hosting teams qualify immediately, but there isn't any extra slots for the confederation. So that would mean that 6 teams would be playing to get 2.5 slots. It would be very competitive.

In practice it would be 5 teams competing for 1.5 spots, as Brazil has qualified to every single world cup and I do not think we are about to see such an exception, so if the South American bid won the rights to host the world cup the rest of the teams will be under enormous pressure as they will have almost no room for error and a single loss or draw can be enough to get them out of the race to get a ticket to the world cup, so if anything that particular qualifier should be incredibly difficult due to the quality of the teams participating and the limited number of spots available.

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Quote from: nullama on August 13, 2023, 09:25:11 PM

I think that 6.5 slots for CONMEBOL is a fair amount.

Historically there have been only 4.5 slots for 10 teams. The thing is that all of those 10 teams are strong and would perform great at the world cup. So only having 4 or 5 is a shame.

Now with up to 7 teams, I think it's reasonable. More would be too much, I think this is the maximum, 70% of the teams.

If they decide to go with the South American bid for the 2030 world cup, that would be a very interesting qualification, because it would be hosted by 4 teams: Uruguay, Argentina, Chile, Paraguay.

With the current rules, the hosting teams qualify immediately, but there isn't any extra slots for the confederation. So that would mean that 6 teams would be playing to get 2.5 slots. It would be very competitive.

6.5 may sound a lot, but that is not the case in reality. CONMEBOL has 10 quality teams. Other confederations such as UEFA are having a mix of high-quality and low-quality teams. So even of 7 out of 10 teams qualify from CONMEBOL, three high quality teams are going to miss out. And that is the reason why I wanted a second round of global qualifiers. That will give a fighting chance for teams like Bolivia and Venezuela, who almost never qualify for the FIFA World cup due to the tough competition in CONMEBOL qualifiers.

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Quote from: nullama on August 13, 2023, 09:25:11 PM

Quote from: shogun47 on August 13, 2023, 12:46:28 AM

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If we just take a look at the quota, just the numbers, I think 6.5 slots for CONMEBOL with 10 starting teams is ok, otherwise why even play a qualification? If 7 teams out of 10 can qualify, what would a suggestion be to make it easier for CONMEBOL? 9 slots for 10 teams? I think that is what the discussion is about.

I think that 6.5 slots for CONMEBOL is a fair amount.

Historically there have been only 4.5 slots for 10 teams. The thing is that all of those 10 teams are strong and would perform great at the world cup. So only having 4 or 5 is a shame.

Now with up to 7 teams, I think it's reasonable. More would be too much, I think this is the maximum, 70% of the teams.

If they decide to go with the South American bid for the 2030 world cup, that would be a very interesting qualification, because it would be hosted by 4 teams: Uruguay, Argentina, Chile, Paraguay.

With the current rules, the hosting teams qualify immediately, but there isn't any extra slots for the confederation. So that would mean that 6 teams would be playing to get 2.5 slots. It would be very competitive.

This is interesting to know because, really I wasn't aware that South America wants to pitch their application for the 2030 World Cup. It is interesting because they will be up against Saudi Arabia who, as we now know, are running an unbelievably aggressive PR campaign with all the players they buy and all the social media power they unite behind the Saudi Professional League and when I read about the league and the goals, it is always about 2030 and that the budget for transfers is made that way that they can continue buying players until then and improve the league further. This will be a fierce head to head between Saudi Arabia and their partners and the countries from South America.

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Quote from: nullama on August 13, 2023, 09:25:11 PM

Quote from: shogun47 on August 13, 2023, 12:46:28 AM

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If we just take a look at the quota, just the numbers, I think 6.5 slots for CONMEBOL with 10 starting teams is ok, otherwise why even play a qualification? If 7 teams out of 10 can qualify, what would a suggestion be to make it easier for CONMEBOL? 9 slots for 10 teams? I think that is what the discussion is about.

I think that 6.5 slots for CONMEBOL is a fair amount.

Historically there have been only 4.5 slots for 10 teams. The thing is that all of those 10 teams are strong and would perform great at the world cup. So only having 4 or 5 is a shame.

Now with up to 7 teams, I think it's reasonable. More would be too much, I think this is the maximum, 70% of the teams.

If they decide to go with the South American bid for the 2030 world cup, that would be a very interesting qualification, because it would be hosted by 4 teams: Uruguay, Argentina, Chile, Paraguay.

With the current rules, the hosting teams qualify immediately, but there isn't any extra slots for the confederation. So that would mean that 6 teams would be playing to get 2.5 slots. It would be very competitive.

Even 6+1 slots are more than enough for CONMEBOL because in this confederation never had any team achieving something in the world cup in the last years other than Argentina, Uruguay, and Brazil. Even teams in CONMEBOL other than Venezuela never got themselves into the world cup because they usually can't invest anything in their football and compared to the other teams in other confederations like European teams they never can grow and improve because of lower investments they had.

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Whenever we are talking about having more teams in the world cup as qualified teams, people will usually think about some confederations leaving fewer slots than others.
For example, you may think African countries should get more chances than what they currently have. But if you check the countries and teams who won the world cup in the past, you can understand that Europe got much more titles than other countries, also every time in the world cup there are more countries in Europe we were expecting to see them playing won world cup but they couldn't get qualified for this tournament.

I think it's understandable, think about it in team rankings way and you will realize that it's not really that shocking, we talk about something that will be unique in that aspect and should be considered a good deal one way or another.

I get it, not everyone thinks the same way and some people want equality on this, but the reality is that if we check the rankings of the teams then we will see that most of them at the top are European, and even though there are some good teams from other continents, the overall continent as a Europe has more better teams than any other continent. This makes it easier to decide this and make a clear choice. Hopefully people will realize this and can see world cup without too much complaint.

I'm not a huge fan of same amount of slots per "area". What ends up happening is an uneven balance of poor performing teams. And some of the top teams in the world are left out. I don't know if there is a perfect way to get the right balance but I'm all for having the top teams in the world compete.

I think the way it is,is a great one.The top teams are all given an equal chance to fight for those spots.Now I know that there are many top teams and inevitably some will be left out but that is the beauty of the qualifiers,they show us which team is the most capable of coming to the World Cup by qualifying and winning against other top teams.Since they are a two games qualifiers it means that a huge amount of luck is also needed because as they say the ball is round so even non top teams may be able to come out on top in two single games and as such leaving that top team out of the tournament.

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