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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 05, 2023, 09:43:04 PM

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To be honest, I can't understand where the sarcasm is, as Infantino already lobbies for a World Cup every two years. Of course, as you correctly noted, this will destroy all records, but I think everyone will understand the value of new records compared to those that were set in the old format.

Well.. what is wrong with having a world cup every two years? If leagues such as English Premier League, Ligue1 and Serie A can be conducted every year, spanning for 4-5 months, then what is wrong in having a FIFA tournament every 2 years which will get completed in around 1 month duration? IMO, clubs are having a disproportionate influence in global football and the importance of international competitions are going down. IMO, this is not a move in the right direction, because the clubs only care about money and not about the overall growth of the game.

Do you believe in good ~~fairy~~ officials who take care of the game? Grin

Football is a business. Clubs are those who do business and they are responsible for it with their money. Everything else - FIFA, UEFA and other shit is parasites. I always trust a businessman more (because I have a direct influence on him with my money) than degenerate officials who dispose of the fruits of other people's labor. I have a completely different view of things than you: in my opinion, clubs should have more influence (like the NHL), and all other officials and competitions held by them should be in a marginal niche.

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While we have been discussing about the upcoming FIFA, I would like to add a small information about India. With the win against Kuwait, India became the SAFF Championship Winners of 2023. With this win India have come under the top 100 countries on the FIFA rank list. This doesn't look like a big achievement for others, but as a person from India I find this to be something great.

It is always nice to see some countries climb up the ranking in world soccer although it also means that others had to be dropping in the ranking first Wink

But still when India would take soccer more seriously and it were to establish as a national sport over the coming decades, imagine how much potential the country has to source players from their population. But this shows that population is only a minor factor whether a nation has a good team or not or otherwise China would also be leading the ranking or be in the top 10 or something. Now they are 79th I think.

We always talk about population and ammount of players you can produce, and yes theorically and in maths this its correct, but we see in the reality this doesnt happen.

China still doesnt produce any DECENT player, and thei invest some money on football, USA its developing someone but more from Latin people who emigrates into USA than real USA players.

The main example can be Mexico, a country where football its one of the main sports and they still not making any good in football.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on July 07, 2023, 02:44:26 AM

While we have been discussing about the upcoming FIFA, I would like to add a small information about India. With the win against Kuwait, India became the SAFF Championship Winners of 2023. With this win India have come under the top 100 countries on the FIFA rank list. This doesn't look like a big achievement for others, but as a person from India I find this to be something great.

It is always nice to see some countries climb up the ranking in world soccer although it also means that others had to be dropping in the ranking first Wink

But still when India would take soccer more seriously and it were to establish as a national sport over the coming decades, imagine how much potential the country has to source players from their population. But this shows that population is only a minor factor whether a nation has a good team or not or otherwise China would also be leading the ranking or be in the top 10 or something. Now they are 79th I think.

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Quote from: Fuso.hp on July 06, 2023, 09:09:15 PM

During the last World Cup, there were rumors that Messi and Ronaldo would retire after the Qatar World Cup but they have not yet taken any decision on retirement. In the World Cup in Qatar we saw Ronaldo being benched for a few matches which was a big disappointment for Ronaldo fans. But Messi was unstoppable in the last World Cup. Argentina won the World Cup in Qatar due to his great performance and experience. If Messi wants to play another World Cup, Argentina Football Federation will always welcome him. But it remains to be seen whether Messi can maintain his fitness and whether he will be seen on the field in the next World Cup. But Ronaldo will want to play one more World Cup. Although he has made his career bright, he has not been able to bring success in any significant tournament for the country so far. As Portugal currently has a number of quality players, Ronaldo will want to combine quality players to lead the team to a good position in a major tournament.

Possibilities for Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi will participants in FIFA World Cup 2026, regarding with Portugal and Argentina national teams FIFA matchday, both player take part for their national teams. Looks optimistic with one year later between Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi still get called from their national teams and opening chance for playing in FIFA World Cup 2026. But depend on their performance with club and during not get injured I believe they will be icon for their national teams. Last FIFA World Cup 2022, Cristiano Ronaldo can't show best perform and more spent in the bench, difference with Lionel Messi success help his national teams winning FIFA World Cup tittle and he hasn't planning for retiring from national teams.

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Apart from all the speculation about Lionel Messi at the 2026 World Cup, whether he will still be with Argentina or will he really do what he said some time ago by retiring from the Argentine national team, what is interesting is the record that Lionel Messi made at the World Cup, if he changes his mind and the Argentine coach makes him a main player again in the Argentine national team then the 2026 World Cup will be the 6th World Cup for Messi, he started defending Argentina at the 2006 German World Cup against Serbia. Source
Playing in 6 different World Cups is a record that might be difficult for other players to break, and of course, if he plays in the 2026 World Cup later it will also make his other records increase like playing the most and so on.
The key to his success is why he has been able to play in so many World Cups is consistency, but if he doesn't play again in 2026 it shouldn't matter because he has done a lot for his country, giving the world cup title is the best he has done.

By the way, if we talk about records, then Ronaldo has the opportunity (if he can still take part) to set an "eternal" record (update his current one) - he took part in 5 World Cups and scored goals in each of them. If he can do it on the 6th (at least from a penalty), then I don’t know how many decades it will take for someone to beat this achievement.

That would be a great record to have, but FIFA is so concentrated on making money and extracting as many resources from the world cup that it would not surprise me if at some point they had the fantastic idea, notice my sarcasm, to play the world cup every two years instead of doing so every four years, in which case the record of Ronaldo will be easily crushed, now this may seem unrealistic now but it would not surprise me if they actually tried to do this in a few decades.

that would be a really big change and the world cup is not an easy even to organize
I tend to thing that it'll keep happening with 4 years difference than changing to every 2 years
we'll see

Playing the world cup every two year can never be possible even if fifa comes up wit the ideal, do you guys even know what 2 years is? It is just like closing your eyes and opening it again, two years is not that long.

And like you correctly said, world cup preparation is an easy task, from fifa themselves to the country hosting the match, putting stadium the stadium in shape to meet international standards does not only require money but also requires time..

And also be reminded that the players in the world cup all have other clubs they are playing for, if fifa decides to host the world cup every two years, what time do you think the players will have to prepare for the match?
World cup every two years can not be possible, even fifa won't think or consider such.

exactly, 2 years goes by by the blink of an eye, really fast
having a world cup every two years would also make a mess on local championships with local games and all
it won't change, probably

FIFA can already make a lot of money with it being every four years.

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Quote from: Vaskiy on July 07, 2023, 02:44:26 AM

While we have been discussing about the upcoming FIFA, I would like to add a small information about India. With the win against Kuwait, India became the SAFF Championship Winners of 2023. With this win India have come under the top 100 countries on the FIFA rank list. This doesn't look like a big achievement for others, but as a person from India I find this to be something great.

A country that does not have as good football development as other countries with very advanced football development is certainly an encouraging achievement. If I'm not mistaken with the ranking that India currently has, it will have a chance in the qualifying round to be in the second round and will compete with other countries that must first pass through the first round, and be able to qualify for the 2026 World Cup, of course, what is expected many countries, but it's not easy because Asia only gets a small portion.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 06, 2023, 09:38:20 PM

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Regarding about the stadium that will be used in the final game of the 2026 FIFA World Cup, here's the final detail.

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The final of the 2026 FIFA World Cup will take place on Sunday, July 19, 2026. The MetLife Stadium in New York/New Jersey is the intended stadium and host city for the final match of the 2026 FIFA men’s soccer World Cup in North America.

https://www.2026worldcupnorthamerica.com/fifa-football-final-world-cup-soccer-2026/#:~:text=The%20final%20of%20the%202026,World%20Cup%20in%20North%20America.

AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas has been on the list but because of the said reason above, FIFA has decided that it will be more compelling to the people around the world if they will hold it in the home of New York Jets and New York Giants. Also, MetLife has been chosen to host the final game because it can cater more audience.

In terms of capacity, there is not much difference between the AT&T stadium and the MetLife Stadium. IMO, the fact that weather at that time in Texas can be extremely hostile probably turned the tables for the MetLife stadium. And I haven't heard anything about the capacity in these stadiums getting increased. But there is plenty of time, as the next world cup is three years away. The Lusail stadium, which hosted the final between Argentina and France in the FIFA World Cup in 2022 also had a similar capacity (88,966).

Capacity is not the most important factor for world cup stadiums I mean the stadium can have even 100K capacity but it doesn't really matter if these stadiums don't have the quality they need to have. Since America got three years to rebuild and repair the stadiums for the 2026 world cup, I think they can even do some rework and increase the capacity for some stadiums they are going to use for hosting the world cup.

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While we have been discussing about the upcoming FIFA, I would like to add a small information about India. With the win against Kuwait, India became the SAFF Championship Winners of 2023. With this win India have come under the top 100 countries on the FIFA rank list. This doesn't look like a big achievement for others, but as a person from India I find this to be something great.

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Quote from: Vaculin on July 06, 2023, 04:22:05 PM

Regarding about the stadium that will be used in the final game of the 2026 FIFA World Cup, here's the final detail.

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The final of the 2026 FIFA World Cup will take place on Sunday, July 19, 2026. The MetLife Stadium in New York/New Jersey is the intended stadium and host city for the final match of the 2026 FIFA men’s soccer World Cup in North America.

https://www.2026worldcupnorthamerica.com/fifa-football-final-world-cup-soccer-2026/#:~:text=The%20final%20of%20the%202026,World%20Cup%20in%20North%20America.

AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas has been on the list but because of the said reason above, FIFA has decided that it will be more compelling to the people around the world if they will hold it in the home of New York Jets and New York Giants. Also, MetLife has been chosen to host the final game because it can cater more audience.

In terms of capacity, there is not much difference between the AT&T stadium and the MetLife Stadium. IMO, the fact that weather at that time in Texas can be extremely hostile probably turned the tables for the MetLife stadium. And I haven't heard anything about the capacity in these stadiums getting increased. But there is plenty of time, as the next world cup is three years away. The Lusail stadium, which hosted the final between Argentina and France in the FIFA World Cup in 2022 also had a similar capacity (88,966).

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I personally don't really believe that the two players Messi and Ronaldo can play in the 2026 World Cup, especially about Ronaldo who will be 41 years old when the 2026 World Cup starts. Also about Messi, even though when the 2026 World Cup starts Messi's age is 39 years old but of course, these ages are very unproductive.

Because yes, so far it's probably only about Ibrahimović playing until the age of 40 as a forward.
But the fact is, even though Ibrahimović is physically strong but still, Ibrahimović is also prone to injury. What's more about Messi and Ronaldo who are at least always key players in every match and also, in the World Cup every player doesn't have much rest time. So of course, I am very sure that Messi and Ronaldo will not play at the 2026 World Cup.

Both Ronaldo and Messi place much importance on records. These rivals will want to feature in the next world cup because they like breaking records. Ronaldo did not have a good world cup in Qatar. Coach Fernando Santos humiliated Ronaldo in the tournament that he had to be kept on the bench in some matches. The new coach of Portugal Roberto Martinez respects the Al-Nassr striker. And the good relationship between Martinez and Ronaldo might pave the way for the striker to feature in the next world cup. On the other hand, Argentina's head coach, Lionel Scaloni said that Messi will be welcomed by the national team anytime. This entails that the decision to play in the world cup co-hosted by US, Canada, and Mexico depends on the seven times Ballon d'Or/FIFA Ballon d'Or winner. Messi and Ronaldo will decide if they will feature in the world cup or not.

During the last World Cup, there were rumors that Messi and Ronaldo would retire after the Qatar World Cup but they have not yet taken any decision on retirement. In the World Cup in Qatar we saw Ronaldo being benched for a few matches which was a big disappointment for Ronaldo fans. But Messi was unstoppable in the last World Cup. Argentina won the World Cup in Qatar due to his great performance and experience. If Messi wants to play another World Cup, Argentina Football Federation will always welcome him. But it remains to be seen whether Messi can maintain his fitness and whether he will be seen on the field in the next World Cup. But Ronaldo will want to play one more World Cup. Although he has made his career bright, he has not been able to bring success in any significant tournament for the country so far. As Portugal currently has a number of quality players, Ronaldo will want to combine quality players to lead the team to a good position in a major tournament.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on July 04, 2023, 09:44:35 PM

There is still a lot of confusion regarding the venue for the final match of 2026 FIFA World Cup. The two possible venues are MetLife Stadium in New Jersey and AT&T Stadium in Texas. Both these stadiums are being used by franchises from the National Football League (NFL), and need extensive modifications before they can be used for association football. MetLife Stadium has a larger capacity (82,500 compared to 80,000 for AT&T). As per initial reports, FIFA is leaning towards the stadium in Texas, but they are concerned with extreme temperatures that this region is experiencing recently.

Regarding about the stadium that will be used in the final game of the 2026 FIFA World Cup, here's the final detail.

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The final of the 2026 FIFA World Cup will take place on Sunday, July 19, 2026. The MetLife Stadium in New York/New Jersey is the intended stadium and host city for the final match of the 2026 FIFA men’s soccer World Cup in North America.

https://www.2026worldcupnorthamerica.com/fifa-football-final-world-cup-soccer-2026/#:~:text=The%20final%20of%20the%202026,World%20Cup%20in%20North%20America.

AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas has been on the list but because of the said reason above, FIFA has decided that it will be more compelling to the people around the world if they will hold it in the home of New York Jets and New York Giants. Also, MetLife has been chosen to host the final game because it can cater more audience.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on July 06, 2023, 09:38:32 AM

More than anything I'm waiting to see how some young players are going to perform in the 2026 world cup because more than everything we have eyes on players like Mbappe and Halland and even Osimhen if their teams play in the world cup because these players are still young and not really experienced while in the next three years, all these young players will have a much better situation and I think instead of being worried about other players like Messi we should pay more attention to these young players.

In the upcoming World Cup there will be many players who will most likely not be able to play anymore due to age or they decide to retire. And if that happens then it is now the job of the players we see today to make the matches more interesting. In addition to the names you mentioned, I think there will be new young players who will look forward to their performances or also they will be a stage so that they can show their best so that many big clubs are glimpsed.

Just like you I am also looking forward to this at the World Cup. Every World Cup is held there are always players we are looking for, but in Qatar I see a little difference, because in the Qatar World Cup for me the goalkeeper is the main actor, of course apart from Messi and Ronaldo who are the center of attention every time they compete. All eyes are on these 2 players when they enter the field. In fact, I think the Qatar World Cup is a stage for these two players which is likely to be their last stage at the World Cup.

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More than anything I'm waiting to see how some young players are going to perform in the 2026 world cup because more than everything we have eyes on players like Mbappe and Halland and even Osimhen if their teams play in the world cup because these players are still young and not really experienced while in the next three years, all these young players will have a much better situation and I think instead of being worried about other players like Messi we should pay more attention to these young players.

The Era of only Messi and Ronaldo is passing, the just concluded world cup exposed a lot of young talents for plenty teams, players that will take over from the older generation and even break records that the old generation having Messi and Ronaldo has set. There are many young players to watch out for in every team, even some players who could not play in the last world cup because their team did not qualify or they were not selected will have a chance to shine. I am looking forward to see players like 19 years old Alejandro Garnacho from Argentina.

Three years is a long way to go and not to forget that we have the Copa America, the European Championship and other relevant tournaments until then where younger players already have the chance to present themselves to the international audience. I guess that Mbappe and Haaland will be the absolute superstars in 2026, but it is good to have these years to see whether there are other talents as well who can compete with those two guys for the title and the best player award. For now I don't see anyone to become as good as Mbappe, but for Mbappe to gain more relevance in world soccer he has to leave PSG first. His World Cup performances are crazy already. He played 2 tournaments and has 12 goals, 4 goals behind record holder Klose.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on July 06, 2023, 09:38:32 AM

More than anything I'm waiting to see how some young players are going to perform in the 2026 world cup because more than everything we have eyes on players like Mbappe and Halland and even Osimhen if their teams play in the world cup because these players are still young and not really experienced while in the next three years, all these young players will have a much better situation and I think instead of being worried about other players like Messi we should pay more attention to these young players.

The Era of only Messi and Ronaldo is passing, the just concluded world cup exposed a lot of young talents for plenty teams, players that will take over from the older generation and even break records that the old generation having Messi and Ronaldo has set. There are many young players to watch out for in every team, even some players who could not play in the last world cup because their team did not qualify or they were not selected will have a chance to shine. I am looking forward to see players like 19 years old Alejandro Garnacho from Argentina.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on July 06, 2023, 09:38:32 AM

More than anything I'm waiting to see how some young players are going to perform in the 2026 world cup because more than everything we have eyes on players like Mbappe and Halland and even Osimhen if their teams play in the world cup because these players are still young and not really experienced while in the next three years, all these young players will have a much better situation and I think instead of being worried about other players like Messi we should pay more attention to these young players.

This is a great expectation; i hope the latter players are able to qualify their teams for the FIFA World Cup 2026,

for Mbappe; France are guaranteed to play and qualify for the 2026 FIFA World Cup due to their talents pool (atleast on paper).
For Haaland, it remains to be seen if Norway can push through their qualifying group and get a spot at the FIFA World Cup 2026;
while for Osimhen needs to ensure Nigeria wins their group; and also win the worldcup qualification final knock out round among other Africa worldcup qualifiers group winners

There will be many youngsters at the world cup too, from England, Spain, Italy and also Germany; Uruguay young gems will be looking to qualify and make a statement. Its going to be a huge event.

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More than anything I'm waiting to see how some young players are going to perform in the 2026 world cup because more than everything we have eyes on players like Mbappe and Halland and even Osimhen if their teams play in the world cup because these players are still young and not really experienced while in the next three years, all these young players will have a much better situation and I think instead of being worried about other players like Messi we should pay more attention to these young players.

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Apart from all the speculation about Lionel Messi at the 2026 World Cup, whether he will still be with Argentina or will he really do what he said some time ago by retiring from the Argentine national team, what is interesting is the record that Lionel Messi made at the World Cup, if he changes his mind and the Argentine coach makes him a main player again in the Argentine national team then the 2026 World Cup will be the 6th World Cup for Messi, he started defending Argentina at the 2006 German World Cup against Serbia. Source
Playing in 6 different World Cups is a record that might be difficult for other players to break, and of course, if he plays in the 2026 World Cup later it will also make his other records increase like playing the most and so on.
The key to his success is why he has been able to play in so many World Cups is consistency, but if he doesn't play again in 2026 it shouldn't matter because he has done a lot for his country, giving the world cup title is the best he has done.

By the way, if we talk about records, then Ronaldo has the opportunity (if he can still take part) to set an "eternal" record (update his current one) - he took part in 5 World Cups and scored goals in each of them. If he can do it on the 6th (at least from a penalty), then I don’t know how many decades it will take for someone to beat this achievement.

That would be a great record to have, but FIFA is so concentrated on making money and extracting as many resources from the world cup that it would not surprise me if at some point they had the fantastic idea, notice my sarcasm, to play the world cup every two years instead of doing so every four years, in which case the record of Ronaldo will be easily crushed, now this may seem unrealistic now but it would not surprise me if they actually tried to do this in a few decades.

that would be a really big change and the world cup is not an easy even to organize
I tend to thing that it'll keep happening with 4 years difference than changing to every 2 years
we'll see

Playing the world cup every two year can never be possible even if fifa comes up wit the ideal, do you guys even know what 2 years is? It is just like closing your eyes and opening it again, two years is not that long.

And like you correctly said, world cup preparation is an easy task, from fifa themselves to the country hosting the match, putting stadium the stadium in shape to meet international standards does not only require money but also requires time..

And also be reminded that the players in the world cup all have other clubs they are playing for, if fifa decides to host the world cup every two years, what time do you think the players will have to prepare for the match?
World cup every two years can not be possible, even fifa won't think or consider such.

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Apart from all the speculation about Lionel Messi at the 2026 World Cup, whether he will still be with Argentina or will he really do what he said some time ago by retiring from the Argentine national team, what is interesting is the record that Lionel Messi made at the World Cup, if he changes his mind and the Argentine coach makes him a main player again in the Argentine national team then the 2026 World Cup will be the 6th World Cup for Messi, he started defending Argentina at the 2006 German World Cup against Serbia. Source
Playing in 6 different World Cups is a record that might be difficult for other players to break, and of course, if he plays in the 2026 World Cup later it will also make his other records increase like playing the most and so on.
The key to his success is why he has been able to play in so many World Cups is consistency, but if he doesn't play again in 2026 it shouldn't matter because he has done a lot for his country, giving the world cup title is the best he has done.

By the way, if we talk about records, then Ronaldo has the opportunity (if he can still take part) to set an "eternal" record (update his current one) - he took part in 5 World Cups and scored goals in each of them. If he can do it on the 6th (at least from a penalty), then I don’t know how many decades it will take for someone to beat this achievement.

That would be a great record to have, but FIFA is so concentrated on making money and extracting as many resources from the world cup that it would not surprise me if at some point they had the fantastic idea, notice my sarcasm, to play the world cup every two years instead of doing so every four years, in which case the record of Ronaldo will be easily crushed, now this may seem unrealistic now but it would not surprise me if they actually tried to do this in a few decades.

that would be a really big change and the world cup is not an easy even to organize
I tend to thing that it'll keep happening with 4 years difference than changing to every 2 years
we'll see

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on July 05, 2023, 02:12:37 PM

We think that the best thing Messi did was to leave PSG, because the atmosphere there was very bad, I really don't know how he could resist so much, if in Barcelona they took him out through the back door, then they wanted him back I don't understand how human beings can be like this, it's a great gesture that Messi has rejected them, that's something that can be very significant for his life and when they interview him he himself says that he said NO to Barcelona because of the way they scared him at the beginning, in fact since Messi left Barcelona they never won a UCL again.

Now things for the Argentine star are going to change much more , at Inter Miami things are not as Stressful as in Europe , things can look bad for many , but you also have to think about your well-being as a person and for your family , things can Change from one moment to another and everything is going for a better path.

Barcelona never really had a chance to get him back from the start because he remembers very well how the team he provided his 20 years into and his talents and won so much ended up saying "sorry we can't afford you" and basically kicked him off, and did so by trying to achieve that result for many years and different presidents, so they provided proof that the team was in shambles and in bad budget.

PSG was a weird situation, he played not that bad, sure maybe he wasn't the 90 goals Messi per year by that time, but he had like what 16 goals and 16 assists? That's not too bad is it? I would have guessed he would be liked there. I hope he does a lot better at Miami, not just stats but like I hope his life is better there and loved more there at least.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on July 05, 2023, 05:41:05 PM

~snip~
Not going to talk just about Maimi but most generally in the USA, there are many people from other countries who are losing their and investing in that country.
However, I guess since America got the experience of hosting the world cup in the past they know how to handle these things for the world cup.

I hope the world cup brings some kind of unity, hope, and happiness to the people of the US.

It's not a great life right now for many people there.

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