FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread - page 209.

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Quote from: snipie on April 26, 2023, 08:05:17 PM

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Having more countries will cut the costs of building new stadiums or improving the actual ones by only one nation to having multiple nations that will divide this charge while enjoying more profits from having more games.
It is all commercial business.

But it might also be the case that costs go higher in the case of multiple nations hosting it.

Instead of centralizing everything, and re-utilizing infrastructure, you have to start basically from zero at each country.

Going from zero to one stadium is huge, but going from one to two stadiums is not the same linear increase, it's a bit cheaper, economies of scale.

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Quote from: snipie on April 26, 2023, 08:05:17 PM

Having more countries will cut the costs of building new stadiums or improving the actual ones by only one nation to having multiple nations that will divide this charge while enjoying more profits from having more games.
It is all commercial business.

First of all, a major tournament such as World Cup should be only hosted by countries who have the means to do so. I don't have any issues with countries such as USA, France, England or Japan hosting this tournament, because they already have the facilities available. On the other hand, if you allow small countries such as Qatar (total population of just 300,000 citizens) to host the tournament, then a lot of infrastructure needs to be created newly. I would consider this as wasteful spending. Because after the world cup, most of these new facilities will be kept idle.

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because obviously the European leagues look much more exciting in some clubs and I think that "Magic" will go away.

I don't know about others, but I am finding club football quite boring nowadays. On the other hand, World Cup is where you will find a lot of diversity and representation from all around the world. In simple terms, it is having the same quality as club football (or even better) without the greed for money. And further more, the team bonding and cohesion is much better when compared to league football, as the players are motivated by patriotism and not by money. Even the fans behave well in world cup, when compared to the leagues.

What happens is that in the clubs there is a mixture of many coaches, from European, Asian, South American, all of this influences because when you are in a club, you can even beat a national team from any country, for me a country lose or win according to their players or the quality of the players, for example, if you put Real Madrid to play against a team like Brazil it will be much more difficult for Brazil to win, otherwise you have Real Madrid where there is a presence of German and Spanish players Croatian, Brazilian, French, where they are basically the best in their countries and are concentrated here, the national teams are good, but if there are no good players they should look for those from their local leagues to represent.

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Quote from: nullama on April 26, 2023, 07:38:31 PM

So, because the number of teams will continue to be large, will we now have only multiple countries hosting the future world cups?

I don't think it will be like that, it sounds like an organization hell.

But it might be the plan of FIFA. Maybe this tournament is getting too big, and they need to get many countries on board to get enough money for them.

Having more countries will cut the costs of building new stadiums or improving the actual ones by only one nation to having multiple nations that will divide this charge while enjoying more profits from having more games.
It is all commercial business.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on April 26, 2023, 03:57:35 PM

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Actually, the main host of the 2026 world cup is America that's why most of the world cup games are in America instead of Canada or Mexico and that's maybe because of the more potential they have in America, I think the reason why the let Canada and Mexico help America with hosting the world is just because we have more teams in the world cup and more matches.

So, because the number of teams will continue to be large, will we now have only multiple countries hosting the future world cups?

I don't think it will be like that, it sounds like an organization hell.

But it might be the plan of FIFA. Maybe this tournament is getting too big, and they need to get many countries on board to get enough money for them.

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Quote from: nullama on April 26, 2023, 02:52:21 AM

Quote from: Sithara007 on April 25, 2023, 10:26:08 PM

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80 out of a total of 104 matches are being played in the United States, but FIFA has decided to provide automatic qualification to all the three hosts. This is where I am having an issue. I don't have a problem in case the USA is given automatic entry by the virtue of being the hosts. But what about Canada and Mexico? What is the point in providing them the same benefit, given the fact that they are only hosting a dozen or so matches? It is so unfair to the other teams in the CONCACAF, because the number of slots available for them has been reduced.

I believe it has been a tradition since the initial world cup to have the host qualify automatically.

I mean, can you imagine hosting an event in which you're not even participating?, doesn't seem too fair to be honest. The hosts need to put a lot of money and effort to make it happen, at a minimum they should qualify.

Actually, the main host of the 2026 world cup is America that's why most of the world cup games are in America instead of Canada or Mexico and that's maybe because of the more potential they have in America, I think the reason why the let Canada and Mexico help America with hosting the world is just because we have more teams in the world cup and more matches.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 26, 2023, 03:01:11 AM

Quote from: nullama on April 26, 2023, 02:52:21 AM

I believe it has been a tradition since the initial world cup to have the host qualify automatically.

I mean, can you imagine hosting an event in which you're not even participating?, doesn't seem too fair to be honest. The hosts need to put a lot of money and effort to make it happen, at a minimum they should qualify.

Your logic works when one or two countries are hosting the world cup. But it doesn't work when a large group of countries are co-hosting this tournament. And in 2030 it is going to be even worse. There is a combined bid from Uruguay–Argentina–Chile–Paraguay. If they succeed, then there will be 4 co-hosts and each one will qualify for the tournament automatically. And for all the other teams from CONMEBOL (including Brazil), only 2 spots will be made available for the 2030 World Cup. Do you really believe that this is fair?

I think there are a lot of considerations that had to be made that are not that obvious for us as outsiders to the topics of security, infrastructure, financial abilities and so on and so forth. I don't think that there hasn't been put a lot of thought into this decision. But I do get your point that this auto-qualification is a problem for some people, not for me though.

See, do you think that the host always has an advantage over all other participants? The biggest disadvantage is that the hosts don't have a lot of serious games with their national teams before the tournament actually starts. The qualification is still a good opportunity to find the right team for the right time. I am ok with the three nations already being qualified.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 26, 2023, 03:01:11 AM

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Your logic works when one or two countries are hosting the world cup. But it doesn't work when a large group of countries are co-hosting this tournament. And in 2030 it is going to be even worse. There is a combined bid from Uruguay–Argentina–Chile–Paraguay. If they succeed, then there will be 4 co-hosts and each one will qualify for the tournament automatically. And for all the other teams from CONMEBOL (including Brazil), only 2 spots will be made available for the 2030 World Cup. Do you really believe that this is fair?

Did they change that rule?

Because in the past even if the host qualified, for example Brazil 2014, South America still had their full 4.5 slots, even though Brazil was qualified as host.

In that world cup, on top of Brazil, these teams from South America qualified: Argentina, Colombia, Chile, Ecuador, and Uruguay went on to play against Jordan and qualified. So, overall, there were 6 teams from South America in the 2014 world cup.

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Quote from: nullama on April 26, 2023, 02:52:21 AM

I believe it has been a tradition since the initial world cup to have the host qualify automatically.

I mean, can you imagine hosting an event in which you're not even participating?, doesn't seem too fair to be honest. The hosts need to put a lot of money and effort to make it happen, at a minimum they should qualify.

Your logic works when one or two countries are hosting the world cup. But it doesn't work when a large group of countries are co-hosting this tournament. And in 2030 it is going to be even worse. There is a combined bid from Uruguay–Argentina–Chile–Paraguay. If they succeed, then there will be 4 co-hosts and each one will qualify for the tournament automatically. And for all the other teams from CONMEBOL (including Brazil), only 2 spots will be made available for the 2030 World Cup. Do you really believe that this is fair?

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 25, 2023, 10:26:08 PM

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80 out of a total of 104 matches are being played in the United States, but FIFA has decided to provide automatic qualification to all the three hosts. This is where I am having an issue. I don't have a problem in case the USA is given automatic entry by the virtue of being the hosts. But what about Canada and Mexico? What is the point in providing them the same benefit, given the fact that they are only hosting a dozen or so matches? It is so unfair to the other teams in the CONCACAF, because the number of slots available for them has been reduced.

I believe it has been a tradition since the initial world cup to have the host qualify automatically.

I mean, can you imagine hosting an event in which you're not even participating?, doesn't seem too fair to be honest. The hosts need to put a lot of money and effort to make it happen, at a minimum they should qualify.

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Quote from: nullama on April 25, 2023, 07:07:04 PM

Yeah, that was Korea/Japan 2002, and yes, we've never had three teams hosting it.

By that logic, it would mean that from now on we will always have multiple teams hosting the world cup. Is this going to be the norm?, also, from what I've read it looks like it will be mostly played in the US.

80 out of a total of 104 matches are being played in the United States, but FIFA has decided to provide automatic qualification to all the three hosts. This is where I am having an issue. I don't have a problem in case the USA is given automatic entry by the virtue of being the hosts. But what about Canada and Mexico? What is the point in providing them the same benefit, given the fact that they are only hosting a dozen or so matches? It is so unfair to the other teams in the CONCACAF, because the number of slots available for them has been reduced.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on April 25, 2023, 04:50:02 PM

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We had the world cup with two hosts before if I'm not wrong but still, we never had three countries in a world cup however America is the primary host and Canada/ Mexico are just helping America but I think the reason of why FIFA made three countries hosting the world cup was increasing the number of teams in the world cup that's why we need more hosts instead of one country hosting the world cup.

Yeah, that was Korea/Japan 2002, and yes, we've never had three teams hosting it.

By that logic, it would mean that from now on we will always have multiple teams hosting the world cup. Is this going to be the norm?, also, from what I've read it looks like it will be mostly played in the US.

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Quote from: Silberman on April 25, 2023, 02:17:43 PM

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Well it is true that the American weather is good and the site of the place where the world cup would take place will be quite better with no big restrictions like what happened during the last world cup that people where restricted from drinking beer and other beverages because it was against there law.
Making two countries to host the world cup is a bit very rare to me because I don't think this had been happening before. What I know is that it's only one country that normally host the world cup. Now it would involve two countries.

I remember that after the Korea Japan world cup FIFA was very adamant about the world cup never being hosted by more than one nation, but with the increase on the number of teams, games and stadiums needed for the next world cups then FIFA had to reconsider their posture, so I think that from now own multiple hosts will become the norm, after all if the US cannot host the world cup all by itself then who can?

We had the world cup with two hosts before if I'm not wrong but still, we never had three countries in a world cup however America is the primary host and Canada/ Mexico are just helping America but I think the reason of why FIFA made three countries hosting the world cup was increasing the number of teams in the world cup that's why we need more hosts instead of one country hosting the world cup.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on April 25, 2023, 04:23:02 AM

Quote from: Maslate on April 25, 2023, 03:23:26 AM

Exactly the reason why Qatar World Cup happened in winter season because the humidity and temperature is not that much of a problem compared if they will commence the games in summer just like what we used to because the heat will become a major problem to the audience especially the players who are playing under the heat of the sun. But even if it's already winter season when the games happened in the recent World Cup, the stadiums still needed a lot of help to cool it down.

Qatar is a country with this hot weather and that's why they had cooling devices even in stadiums otherwise considering the number of fans in stadiums it could be so hard for the visitors to even stay in the stadiums that's why as far as I know most of the games was at night and the world cup was in winter to make sure about the weather but we won't have these problems in America and especially in Canada in 2026.

Well, of course, none of these climate problems will surface in the upcoming World Cup 2022 as long as they will not wait until winter to play the games Grin

just kidding.
I mean, North American countries have been known to have their own nice weathers especially in Summer where most games of World Cup usually happens and cooling system inside stadiums will not be needed anymore because even if it's summer time, the weather is still friendly enough for tourists, players, audience and the organizers to enjoy the games.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 25, 2023, 03:30:29 AM

Quote from: Maslate on April 25, 2023, 03:23:26 AM

Exactly the reason why Qatar World Cup happened in winter season because the humidity and temperature is not that much of a problem compared if they will commence the games in summer just like what we used to because the heat will become a major problem to the audience especially the players who are playing under the heat of the sun. But even if it's already winter season when the games happened in the recent World Cup, the stadiums still needed a lot of help to cool it down.

The schedule of FIFA World Cup in 2022 overlapped with some of the major European leagues and many of the clubs were even threatening that they will not release any of the players for the tournament. In the end however, FIFA was able to settle a deal between them and the clubs. However, for me this sends the wrong signal. World Cup is the most important tournament for the sport of football, and greedy clubs want it to be given a low priority. Going forward, I am sure that these sort of clashes will become more frequent.

To be honest they would never do that, there are many players with contracts that states if they go further in world cup and they play at least in 50% of those games, they would get a bonus. This indicates that teams want their players to play in the world cup and play a lot and go further so that their value would go up and you could sell them later on. That is of course useless in most cases and doesn't really happen that often, but at the same time we are talking about a situation that proves that clubs wants their players to go to world cup as well.

Obviously it was a terrible thing that it was right in the middle of the season and I rather watch it during the summer as well, but Qatar is so hot that even for a November-December cup, they had HUGE AC's built into the stadiums to cool it down.

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Quote from: Wakate on April 25, 2023, 09:33:27 AM

Well it is true that the American weather is good and the site of the place where the world cup would take place will be quite better with no big restrictions like what happened during the last world cup that people where restricted from drinking beer and other beverages because it was against there law.
Making two countries to host the world cup is a bit very rare to me because I don't think this had been happening before. What I know is that it's only one country that normally host the world cup. Now it would involve two countries.

I remember that after the Korea Japan world cup FIFA was very adamant about the world cup never being hosted by more than one nation, but with the increase on the number of teams, games and stadiums needed for the next world cups then FIFA had to reconsider their posture, so I think that from now own multiple hosts will become the norm, after all if the US cannot host the world cup all by itself then who can?

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There is an interesting article from Sports Tiger, which details the chances of India qualifying for the FIFA world cup of 2026.

https://www.sportstiger.com/news/heres-how-india-can-be-part-of-fifa-world-cup-2026

This time the Asian teams have been allotted a total of 8.5 slots, compared to 4.5 for Qatar 2022. However, that doesn't mean much for India as they are placed at the 19th position among a total of 47 member nations.

India does not need to play in the first round of AFC qualifiers and they have received a direct entry to Round 2. This round consists of 9 groups, with 4 teams each (total of 36 teams). India has become the most populous nation in the world a few days back (overtaking China). It will be a shame (for them) if they fail to qualify for the FIFA world cup.

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Everything need of the time for the process,So the stadium also need of processing before using for the matches.In many countries,their are lot of good stadium around the world.But we can’t keep the matches all around the world,we need to keep all the matches in one country alone.It’s the only way to make a good impact to the matches.Then easy for the organising team to do administration.

To get the good stadium we need to allow the people to work for it.If the hosting country is developed country like the Qatar,they can easy create with their money.Money plays huge role in the stadium making for the matches.If the budget is high then,we can do more seats available to the fans.It also help the hosting country to earn good money from the seats.The more number of seats allow the more people to enjoy the game.

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nailed it - obviously America and Canada are the great countries. But Qatar was no less than them. They have progressed in all phases of life and they have not kept anything for themselves. They even donated the temporary residential spaces to turkey after the earth quack

We know in America they have a much better situation to host the world cup than Qatar and the reason is they have a better weather situation and better stadiums, in Qatar they had to spend money to build stadiums and hotels while in America they don't need to spend this money. Also because of the weather situation in Qatar, they had to use many cooling devices for even the stadiums while in America they have a much better situation to host the world cup.

One of the most beautiful thing in the next World cup is the weather, the friendly weather will play role in the performance of players . The next world cup will really go smoothly because already everything have been set longtime ago, and will be one of the best world cup tournaments.

Well it is true that the American weather is good and the site of the place where the world cup would take place will be quite better with no big restrictions like what happened during the last world cup that people where restricted from drinking beer and other beverages because it was against there law.
Making two countries to host the world cup is a bit very rare to me because I don't think this had been happening before. What I know is that it's only one country that normally host the world cup. Now it would involve two countries.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on April 25, 2023, 04:23:02 AM

Qatar is a country with this hot weather and that's why they had cooling devices even in stadiums otherwise considering the number of fans in stadiums it could be so hard for the visitors to even stay in the stadiums that's why as far as I know most of the games was at night and the world cup was in winter to make sure about the weather but we won't have these problems in America and especially in Canada in 2026.

The next FIFA World Cup will be held from June-July 2026. And the day-time temperature in Southern cities such as Los Angeles can climb to 30-32 degrees during this time. It may not be as hot as the Arabian peninsula, but many of the European and East Asian teams will be at a disadvantage. Anyway, this is not new. Back in 2014, the world cup was held in Brazil, and many of the host cities were quite hot and humid. My only concern is about the rains. If there is no rain interruption, then I am OK with whatever timeline they decide.

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