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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 11, 2024, 07:13:48 AM

Teams that are overly reliant on one player, doesn't perform well historically. There are many examples, such as Belgium (Romelu Lukaku), Macedonia (Goran Pandeev), Wales (Gareth Bale), in addition to Portugal (Ronaldo). Look at Argentina. They have a more balanced situation. In addition to Lionel Messi, they have players such as Ángel Di María, Julián Álvarez and Lautaro Martínez. France have Olivier Giroud and Antoine Griezmann in addition to Kylian Mbappé. And such teams have performed better than the first category.

Belgium and Portugal are also good examples from today. Belgium wasted their best generation over the years. They could have been way better as a team like winning at least one championship. However nowadays they are mostly relying on Lukaku's extra contribution. He isn't performing like this at Roma now in fact but he has a lot of goals scored for Belgium lately.

Ronaldo is still at the centre of Portugal squad. Portugal still have really skilled other players also but Ronaldo's number of goals in the Euro qualifiers was just a lot. He is also carrying his national team like Lukaku does for Belgium.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on April 12, 2024, 04:41:09 PM

We never saw a player like Figo in Portugal but after a year they had a player like Ronaldo and he had a better performance than Figo in their team. In fact, they never had a player like Deco or Figo but instead, they got something better than these players.
Sometimes all you should do is to give some more chance to the younger players and they can see the reward. We can't expect to see a player like Ronaldo in Portugal anymore but the younger talents can take their place and help the team to get improve for the next World Cup.

Portugal is facing the same problem as Brazil is facing. Despite having a lot of talent at home, many of the emerging players leave for other countries due to the lack of a proper national football league. And those who play in EPL, La Liga or Serie A prioritizes their club instead of the national team. And as far as Portugal is concerned, this country underwent economic upheaval a few years ago, and that time a lot of younger citizens emigrated to greener pastures. This impacted their player pool, without any doubt.

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But I still think both teams should accept these two players are old and they need to think about the other and younger players.

Players like these are not very common for you to have them, you can get players like these that are extraordinary once in 20 decades that is why it is so difficult for the teams of these players to leat them go or retire them. Their are good players in Portugal and Argentina team but can't be compared like these legends. Despite they are of age they still make football interesting to fans. If we are been honest the talented players that we have can't be compared to the standard of these legends. Messi and and Ronaldo have created good memories in football that can't be forgotten.

I agree with you. Ronaldo and Messi are two football icons who will never be replaced. There are no other players even close to their level in their prime. It is difficult to let them go in the national team because they have an extraordinary influence on the team. I remember the moment when Ronaldo encouraged his teammates in the 2016 Euro final even though at that time France was very favored compared to Portugal. Messi also had a big influence on Argentina's overall game at the 2022 world cup in Qatar. So I think it's difficult to keep them from being called up unless they decide to retire.

We never saw a player like Figo in Portugal but after a year they had a player like Ronaldo and he had a better performance than Figo in their team. In fact, they never had a player like Deco or Figo but instead, they got something better than these players.
Sometimes all you should do is to give some more chance to the younger players and they can see the reward. We can't expect to see a player like Ronaldo in Portugal anymore but the younger talents can take their place and help the team to get improve for the next World Cup.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on April 12, 2024, 01:30:55 PM

I feel like Portugal is still doing fine though, not like they are terrible. I get that they may not be as good to win the cup, but they are good enough to be there. Considering how many teams fail to join, being consistently in euro and world cups do mean a lot better and we should consider it to be as good as it gets. I believe that we are seeing a good improvement on the league system as well, they are still below a few leagues that's true but they are growing and getting better anyway.

I feel like the modern social media is getting their hands on it, they are sharing it all over internet, and getting interest from people. I think they are decent, and with a good golden generation one day, they may win it all as well.

Portugal teams on the winning trend by doing fine in EURO 2024 qualifier round and I think their journey to reach FIFA World Cup 2026 qualifier round not get difficult yet. Portugal unbeaten in last qualifier round matches and become one favorite team for winning Euro 2024 in Germany, with good performance in qualifier of Euro seems Portugal will keep improved their performance for World Cup qualifier with European zone not drawing yet.

Portugal still most interested team with many fans expected they can see Cristiano Ronaldo keep playing in last edition of World Cup, Cristiano Ronaldo fans expected with their idol would be the winner for the last edition participating because Ronaldo never success yet winning the most higher level tittle in his career although most ever playing in World Cup.

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Quote from: el kaka22 on April 12, 2024, 01:30:55 PM

I feel like Portugal is still doing fine though, not like they are terrible. I get that they may not be as good to win the cup, but they are good enough to be there. Considering how many teams fail to join, being consistently in euro and world cups do mean a lot better and we should consider it to be as good as it gets. I believe that we are seeing a good improvement on the league system as well, they are still below a few leagues that's true but they are growing and getting better anyway.

But so far I see no other player who can replace Ronaldo. In fact, I never thought we would find a player like CR7 even in the next few years. For the Portuguese national team, of course they are a solid team and they almost never miss playing in the World Cup and Euro Cup. I just hope they can build a solid squad without Ronaldo. Yes, currently Portugal has improved with their better league system. But I think we will be able to see how they perform at Euro 2024 and the 2026 World Cup.

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I feel like Portugal is still doing fine though, not like they are terrible. I get that they may not be as good to win the cup, but they are good enough to be there. Considering how many teams fail to join, being consistently in euro and world cups do mean a lot better and we should consider it to be as good as it gets. I believe that we are seeing a good improvement on the league system as well, they are still below a few leagues that's true but they are growing and getting better anyway.

I feel like the modern social media is getting their hands on it, they are sharing it all over internet, and getting interest from people. I think they are decent, and with a good golden generation one day, they may win it all as well.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on April 10, 2024, 04:33:00 PM

It's not that simple, it's like finding another player of the same quality as if by magic... Cristiano Ronaldo is a legend, he's in the select group of the best players of all time, that's a rarity and maybe someone similar will appear again only in a few decades...

They don't replace him because there's no way to replace him... Only if they put an average player in his place... which isn't a good idea.

Portugal is a very small country, with a population of around 8 million. Their national football league is not as popular as the EPL or the Bundesliga. Given this, I am sure that they will face a lot of issues in replacing Ronaldo once he retires. They tried with some of the younger players during the 2022 Qatar World Cup, but it didn't worked that well. Portugal lost to Morocco and was kicked out of the competition. To be fair, they have very good players such as João Félix, Jota Silva and Rafael Leão. But these players are inconsistent.

That true and indeed Portugal football development there has not experienced significant increase like other countries such as England, Spain, Germany and also France or Italy.
If you look at the domestic competitions of each country, you can clearly show that the Portuguese League is still below several European countries, plus Portugal also doesn't produce many great players.
Only player that was truly born best by Portugal was Ronaldo, who has been football star and is able to become the best player, even for the Portuguese national team there is no other player who can surpass Ronaldo record.
Currently, there are several young players who are always relied on by Portugal, as you have mentioned, but they are not great players and contribute greatly to Portugal, after all they only play well for the clubs they follow.

So far, Portugal has never reached the World Cup final even though there is Ronaldo, problem is that Portugal doesn't have enough talented players who can strengthen the team perfectly.
If conditions like this continue then I sure that Portugal will never be team that really has chance to fight for the World Cup title until the final match.

It will be very difficult for Portugal to be among the first in this cup, if they didn't achieve anything with the legendary team from the beginning of 2000, this won't be the one that will reach... I was remembering that team, it was incredible, for me it was the best Portuguese team of all time... There were several great players: Rui Costa, Deco, Figo, Fernando Couto and also Cristiano Ronaldo himself.

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 11, 2024, 06:38:55 AM

Quote from: criptoevangelista on April 10, 2024, 04:33:00 PM

It's not that simple, it's like finding another player of the same quality as if by magic... Cristiano Ronaldo is a legend, he's in the select group of the best players of all time, that's a rarity and maybe someone similar will appear again only in a few decades...

They don't replace him because there's no way to replace him... Only if they put an average player in his place... which isn't a good idea.

Portugal is a very small country, with a population of around 8 million. Their national football league is not as popular as the EPL or the Bundesliga. Given this, I am sure that they will face a lot of issues in replacing Ronaldo once he retires. They tried with some of the younger players during the 2022 Qatar World Cup, but it didn't worked that well. Portugal lost to Morocco and was kicked out of the competition. To be fair, they have very good players such as João Félix, Jota Silva and Rafael Leão. But these players are inconsistent.

That true and indeed Portugal football development there has not experienced significant increase like other countries such as England, Spain, Germany and also France or Italy.
If you look at the domestic competitions of each country, you can clearly show that the Portuguese League is still below several European countries, plus Portugal also doesn't produce many great players.
Only player that was truly born best by Portugal was Ronaldo, who has been football star and is able to become the best player, even for the Portuguese national team there is no other player who can surpass Ronaldo record.
Currently, there are several young players who are always relied on by Portugal, as you have mentioned, but they are not great players and contribute greatly to Portugal, after all they only play well for the clubs they follow.

So far, Portugal has never reached the World Cup final even though there is Ronaldo, problem is that Portugal doesn't have enough talented players who can strengthen the team perfectly.
If conditions like this continue then I sure that Portugal will never be team that really has chance to fight for the World Cup title until the final match.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on April 06, 2024, 05:58:47 PM

But I still think both teams should accept these two players are old and they need to think about the other and younger players.

Players like these are not very common for you to have them, you can get players like these that are extraordinary once in 20 decades that is why it is so difficult for the teams of these players to leat them go or retire them. Their are good players in Portugal and Argentina team but can't be compared like these legends. Despite they are of age they still make football interesting to fans. If we are been honest the talented players that we have can't be compared to the standard of these legends. Messi and and Ronaldo have created good memories in football that can't be forgotten.

I agree with you. Ronaldo and Messi are two football icons who will never be replaced. There are no other players even close to their level in their prime. It is difficult to let them go in the national team because they have an extraordinary influence on the team. I remember the moment when Ronaldo encouraged his teammates in the 2016 Euro final even though at that time France was very favored compared to Portugal. Messi also had a big influence on Argentina's overall game at the 2022 world cup in Qatar. So I think it's difficult to keep them from being called up unless they decide to retire.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on April 06, 2024, 05:58:47 PM

But I still think both teams should accept these two players are old and they need to think about the other and younger players.

Players like these are not very common for you to have them, you can get players like these that are extraordinary once in 20 decades that is why it is so difficult for the teams of these players to leat them go or retire them. Their are good players in Portugal and Argentina team but can't be compared like these legends. Despite they are of age they still make football interesting to fans. If we are been honest the talented players that we have can't be compared to the standard of these legends. Messi and and Ronaldo have created good memories in football that can't be forgotten.

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Quote from: Distraction on April 11, 2024, 06:55:05 AM

I totally agree with you about this topic. Small countries have bigger issues with growing players like Ronaldo. They aren't like Brazil for example which has a population around 217 million and which is a football country also. However I agree on another thing that Portugal still have skilled players. The thing they will only need is to have a strong team effort after Ronaldo retires.

Portugal or some other national team can't just rely on one player to be carried. This is nonsense if you really want to become successful.

Argentina did this by relying on Messi over the years and barely managed to become a World Cup champion.

Teams that are overly reliant on one player, doesn't perform well historically. There are many examples, such as Belgium (Romelu Lukaku), Macedonia (Goran Pandeev), Wales (Gareth Bale), in addition to Portugal (Ronaldo). Look at Argentina. They have a more balanced situation. In addition to Lionel Messi, they have players such as Ángel Di María, Julián Álvarez and Lautaro Martínez. France have Olivier Giroud and Antoine Griezmann in addition to Kylian Mbappé. And such teams have performed better than the first category.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on April 10, 2024, 04:33:00 PM

It's not that simple, it's like finding another player of the same quality as if by magic... Cristiano Ronaldo is a legend, he's in the select group of the best players of all time, that's a rarity and maybe someone similar will appear again only in a few decades...

They don't replace him because there's no way to replace him... Only if they put an average player in his place... which isn't a good idea.

Portugal is a very small country, with a population of around 8 million. Their national football league is not as popular as the EPL or the Bundesliga. Given this, I am sure that they will face a lot of issues in replacing Ronaldo once he retires. They tried with some of the younger players during the 2022 Qatar World Cup, but it didn't worked that well. Portugal lost to Morocco and was kicked out of the competition. To be fair, they have very good players such as João Félix, Jota Silva and Rafael Leão. But these players are inconsistent.

It will certainly be a big problem to compensate for the lack of Cristiano Ronaldo... perhaps the coach will have to change the tactical system so as not to be stuck with one way of playing to fill the gap that Ronaldo will leave, because as you said, these 3 players (João Félix, Jota Silva and Rafael Leão) may be good players, but they are all 24 years old, it is an age at which they should already have consistency (which is not happening)

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Quote from: Sithara007 on April 11, 2024, 06:38:55 AM

Portugal is a very small country, with a population of around 8 million. Their national football league is not as popular as the EPL or the Bundesliga. Given this, I am sure that they will face a lot of issues in replacing Ronaldo once he retires. They tried with some of the younger players during the 2022 Qatar World Cup, but it didn't worked that well. Portugal lost to Morocco and was kicked out of the competition. To be fair, they have very good players such as João Félix, Jota Silva and Rafael Leão. But these players are inconsistent.

I totally agree with you about this topic. Small countries have bigger issues with growing players like Ronaldo. They aren't like Brazil for example which has a population around 217 million and which is a football country also. However I agree on another thing that Portugal still have skilled players. The thing they will only need is to have a strong team effort after Ronaldo retires.

Portugal or some other national team can't just rely on one player to be carried. This is nonsense if you really want to become successful.

Argentina did this by relying on Messi over the years and barely managed to become a World Cup champion.

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Quote from: criptoevangelista on April 10, 2024, 04:33:00 PM

It's not that simple, it's like finding another player of the same quality as if by magic... Cristiano Ronaldo is a legend, he's in the select group of the best players of all time, that's a rarity and maybe someone similar will appear again only in a few decades...

They don't replace him because there's no way to replace him... Only if they put an average player in his place... which isn't a good idea.

Portugal is a very small country, with a population of around 8 million. Their national football league is not as popular as the EPL or the Bundesliga. Given this, I am sure that they will face a lot of issues in replacing Ronaldo once he retires. They tried with some of the younger players during the 2022 Qatar World Cup, but it didn't worked that well. Portugal lost to Morocco and was kicked out of the competition. To be fair, they have very good players such as João Félix, Jota Silva and Rafael Leão. But these players are inconsistent.

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They can't find a replacement because they won't want to find a replacement and they still think about respecting Ronaldo because he is a great player for his team while that's wrong and they should start seeking.
In fact, they can't find any player because they already have Ronaldo on the team, I think the best thing he can do is to get retire and that's how he can force Portugal to find an alternative player because then they will understand they can't use Ronaldo anymore and they have to find another player instead of him.

It's not that simple, it's like finding another player of the same quality as if by magic... Cristiano Ronaldo is a legend, he's in the select group of the best players of all time, that's a rarity and maybe someone similar will appear again only in a few decades...

They don't replace him because there's no way to replace him... Only if they put an average player in his place... which isn't a good idea.

You cannot go with the legends players forever as those players will have to retire one day. Yes, players like Cristiano Ronaldo or Messi are stars but teams need to find equally good players so that once they retire, the vacuum is filled or there is no vacuum at all.
The teams who foresee the future will always try to find the replacements of the star players before there era comes to an end.

Even saying so, we cannot deny the impact of Cristiano Ronaldo on his football team and globally. It will not be easy to find players with the same skills, dedication and longevity he has achieved, compared to all the players in the history.
It won't be easy to find a player as per his calibre and it might indeed take some time before we witness another player with a similar level of talent and success.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on April 03, 2024, 06:28:15 PM

They can't find a replacement because they won't want to find a replacement and they still think about respecting Ronaldo because he is a great player for his team while that's wrong and they should start seeking.
In fact, they can't find any player because they already have Ronaldo on the team, I think the best thing he can do is to get retire and that's how he can force Portugal to find an alternative player because then they will understand they can't use Ronaldo anymore and they have to find another player instead of him.

It's not that simple, it's like finding another player of the same quality as if by magic... Cristiano Ronaldo is a legend, he's in the select group of the best players of all time, that's a rarity and maybe someone similar will appear again only in a few decades...

They don't replace him because there's no way to replace him... Only if they put an average player in his place... which isn't a good idea.

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Quote from: Leviathan.007 on April 03, 2024, 06:28:15 PM

They can't find a replacement because they won't want to find a replacement and they still think about respecting Ronaldo because he is a great player for his team while that's wrong and they should start seeking.
In fact, they can't find any player because they already have Ronaldo on the team, I think the best thing he can do is to get retire and that's how he can force Portugal to find an alternative player because then they will understand they can't use Ronaldo anymore and they have to find another player instead of him.

Ronaldo is a great player and a role model for most people around the world. I think no one will be able to replace Ronaldo in Portugal. Even Portugal will never again be able to find a player like Ronaldo. I don't think Ronaldo has to retire for Portugal to find a replacement. Ronaldo will give opportunities to young players and will make them work hard to reach the level like him. I think Ronaldo will still be needed by Portugal even when he retires. Portugal needs Ronaldo as a role model, a player who works hard and is very disciplined. I think CR7 is the best of the best for his dedication and hard work.

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Career and fitness like Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi are surely never been easy specially now while we are having new generation players which are having good quality but fitness and quality are not like these legendary players are going to be achieved many records and other things but now having name like them is surely not easy while we have few top players in past which also done historical things but still have nothing like these because they were really on good time and done impressive things which are not easy.
In near future we will have no competitiveness like we have in current era with money is going to be more important for the players instead of having fitness and quality which is also the best thing, hopefully we will have good and positive rivalry between Erling Haaland and Kylian Mbappé.

Christiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi are great players that in the history of football their names can never be forgotten. It is hard to imagine if their would be good players as good as these players. Already will have talented players like Haaland, Mbappe, and others but these players can never be compared to Christiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi. For me I think Christiano Ronaldo and Lionel remains the best players in the history of football. It will be so great in the future if will be a player that can match the energy of these players. I haven't still found any players that is close to Ronaldo and Messi in performance.

You are definitely right and we know even after years when we check the history of football and see how Portugal was performing in the past we can see the amazing performance from Ronaldo and there is the same thing from Messi in Argentina. In fact, Portugal's players could never had these important achievements like Ronaldo, we know some players there like Deco and Figo but they could never had good performances like Ronaldo to bring these achievements for themselves and their teams. Een in Argentina Messi is the first player after Maradona who helped his team ti win the World Cup title.
But I still think both teams should accept these two players are old and they need to think about the other and younger players.

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It's true, well personally for me there are still no players with the quality of CR7 and Messi, for me those two players are the best, of course, there are Haaland and Mbappé who are the most outstanding players in the world, but I think they don't reach the quality of these, I don't know if they are my ideas or I am setting the standard or the bar very high, but for me these two players will always make a difference and that is something that is noticeable, for me these things are like that, although Messi and CR7 are a little older, for me they are still much better than the current players, apart from everything in Portugal itself there is envy among the players of the Portuguese national team. Cancelo's statements did not go down well with anyone, so these types of players They don't have much to talk about if they haven't had a similar or better career than him, in Argentina all the players respect Messi and defend him, I think the difference is very noticeable there, in the World Cup if I want those two to be there and hopefully the match between Argentina and Portugal takes place.

Replacement is never been easy and if you have players like Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi then surely it needs more time while we are having these both players at his best in coming world cup this could be another historic moment for the soccer fans around the world Portugal which is looking for their first ever big success completely fail to bring good development into their soccer system which was expected few years back, but sadly things are never been ideal for them to have good players into their team.

In last few years we have no well noticed players which we can call suitable replacement for these legendary players those are doing their best for years and still we have few good years to watch their game and enjoy this all for few more years.

Some players can never have alternative options at the same level as that player. For example in Brazil we saw a player like Pele or many other superstar players but even after young players like Neymar could never have the same good performance as the other players we saw. I think we should not start seeking for a player at exactly the same level but we should give some chance to the younger players and hope to see better performance from them just like what we saw about Messi in Argentina.
But currently Argentina and Portugal both prefer to keep having their players Ronaldo and Messi for a longer time and they can even use these players in the 2026 World Cup.

It is that it is a fact that things can happen in favor of the best players in the world, it is also as you say, there is no player who approaches one of the greatest like Pelé, so this is different, so I I say that legends like CR7 and Messi are players who must play in the 2026 World Cup, they must do it, we all hope they can play and hopefully a portual vs Argentina shocks, for now things if they peudate to happen in the near future, I I see that like that, many are appealing for young people and yes, it is good to conissate them, but none stands out, and now the most notable are Haaland and Mbappe and it is not the same, they are very good, but not with the quality of these Two moustrus such as Messi and CR7, which is why we all hope that in the next World Cup we will see Messi and CR7.

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Quote from: SATWAT on April 05, 2024, 05:57:10 PM

Career and fitness like Cristiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi are surely never been easy specially now while we are having new generation players which are having good quality but fitness and quality are not like these legendary players are going to be achieved many records and other things but now having name like them is surely not easy while we have few top players in past which also done historical things but still have nothing like these because they were really on good time and done impressive things which are not easy.
In near future we will have no competitiveness like we have in current era with money is going to be more important for the players instead of having fitness and quality which is also the best thing, hopefully we will have good and positive rivalry between Erling Haaland and Kylian Mbappé.

Christiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi are great players that in the history of football their names can never be forgotten. It is hard to imagine if their would be good players as good as these players. Already will have talented players like Haaland, Mbappe, and others but these players can never be compared to Christiano Ronaldo and Lionel Messi. For me I think Christiano Ronaldo and Lionel remains the best players in the history of football. It will be so great in the future if will be a player that can match the energy of these players. I haven't still found any players that is close to Ronaldo and Messi in performance.

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