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Yes and even if there was more material, it doesn't mean that it would be easily comparable as there are so many different things to consider when you compare players with each other.

But I think we are doing it right if we respect them both for their achievements, but I do understand if people have an easier time to like players more that were particularly a part of their lives. In my case this is more Messi and than Maradona, but frankly speaking, I could exactly tell whether one of them was truly better than the other player. What's impressive about both of them is the time they dominated the world of football. It wasn't just a year, not even just a decade, but around two decades.
I think we can't compare GOAT in each generation because each era has different rules and ways of playing which makes the reference very subjective. Maradona played in an era where there were no modern tactics that made team play very collective. In the past, it was very rare to find replays of matches or players, so it was difficult to find weaknesses in players like Maradona. This is different from today where coaches can provide advice and tactics to stop a player who is considered dangerous.

But in the past, football rules were not as strict as they are today, so physical fights were a common occurrence, so great players of the past like Maradona had to have stamina and a strong physique to be able to dribble the ball well. I can't give any other examples but I would like to say that comparing players across each decade is something that cannot be done fairly.

This is right and frankly, it would be awesome to have all these players be able to play for a few seasons during a different generation. Of course I think that a player like Maradona would have been a crazy player in the 2010 Barcelona team with Iniesta, Messi and all the other guys. At the same time I think that a gifted player like Messi would have had great times decades ago as well. I think it is no coincidence that the goal Messi scored against Getafe was so similar to the solo goal that Maradona once scored. Wink

As for the football rules not being as strict, maybe you should watch a video that is called the hardest tackles on Messi. I don't think it can get much harder than that. Wink
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Yes and even if there was more material, it doesn't mean that it would be easily comparable as there are so many different things to consider when you compare players with each other.

But I think we are doing it right if we respect them both for their achievements, but I do understand if people have an easier time to like players more that were particularly a part of their lives. In my case this is more Messi and than Maradona, but frankly speaking, I could exactly tell whether one of them was truly better than the other player. What's impressive about both of them is the time they dominated the world of football. It wasn't just a year, not even just a decade, but around two decades.
I think we can't compare GOAT in each generation because each era has different rules and ways of playing which makes the reference very subjective. Maradona played in an era where there were no modern tactics that made team play very collective. In the past, it was very rare to find replays of matches or players, so it was difficult to find weaknesses in players like Maradona. This is different from today where coaches can provide advice and tactics to stop a player who is considered dangerous.

But in the past, football rules were not as strict as they are today, so physical fights were a common occurrence, so great players of the past like Maradona had to have stamina and a strong physique to be able to dribble the ball well. I can't give any other examples but I would like to say that comparing players across each decade is something that cannot be done fairly.
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I have never seen Maradona play on live TV. All I have seen are a few recorded videos on YouTube and TV. But back then, the TV coverage was of poor quality and it is quite difficult to get a real measurement of his skillset. In case of players such as Pele, such material is even more scarce. All we know about them is sourced from a few match reports and books. Given this, it is very difficult to compare someone in this generation such as Messi, to someone from the old generation like Maradona. Only someone like Claudio Caniggia can make that comparison, since he has seen both of them in action.

I think since then professional sports have gone so far that we cannot compare players from those times with modern ones (I suspect that a team of modern average players would simply destroy a team of Maradona, Pele, Garinchi, Yashin, etc. simply due to training in team tactics and knowledge of statistics on the profitability of actions), it only makes sense to compare how much stronger they were than their generation. And here (again due to the lower level of team play) Maradona is definitely one of the tops in the entire history of football.
The few games I have watched where these players featured show that they had natural talents that set them above their peers. Maradona and Pele were extraordinarily gifted and their presence in a team tended to change the results. A key example is Pele whose efforts were instrumental to the winning of the 1970 World Cup. Another quality of these great players is their uncommon strength. They were able to excel in poor sporting facilities and other challenges that current footballers don't face. I assume that the olden days players will beat these modern-day players because of their uncommon strength and talents.   

Watching players like Pele and Maradona a few years ago was just like watching players Messi and Ronaldo and people from all over the world were interested in watching the playing style of these two players and these two players helped their teams much more than the new players we see these days to win the world cup. For example, we know if Maradona hadn't helped Argentina they couldn't have won win that World Cup but Ronlado could never make Portugal to this achievement.
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I don't think have problem right now with Brazil head coach after appointing Dorival Junior as Brazil's new coach with speculation Carlo Ancelotti will be manager after his contract over with Real Madrid in the end of this season. Right now not any debate yet regarding many people not know well with Dorival Junior although Carlo Ancelotti have good reputation won many trophies from several clubs.

Brazil team have focus for upcoming event Copa America before playing in World Cup qualifier of CONMEBOL zone, Dorival Junior come from with Brazil club manager and actually he know well with culture and game plan adopt later for Brazil national team. Give him space and time become Brazil national team and waiting will have good result on Copa America or he need more time get adapt well to make Brazil success in World Cup 2026.
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The Carlo Anceloti to Brazil coaching was a big bait, i dont know from where, if from the proper circle of Anceloti or from the Brazilian federation of football, but ended up being a clown show.

I can think some words from the Anceloti representative to pressure Real Madrid, but i really dont know what really happen.

carlo anceloti coaching brazil is just a rumour. there has been no talk of a salary contract deal or contract duration.
And Anceloti's contract at Real Madrid is still long until 2026. If you want to take or break the contract, the Brazilian federation must spend more money for the transfer value of the coach. and it will be even more difficult for Anceloti to deal to train Brazil.
I think so too, especially now that Carlo Ancelotti has officially extended his contract at Real Madrid. So it would be very difficult if Brazil had to spend a lot of money to recruit Carlo Ancelotti. I am sure that after Carlo Ancelotti extended his contract with Real Madrid, Brazil will no longer expect him, especially since Brazil must immediately look for another coach because of preparations for the Copa America which will be held in the next few months.
Carlo Ancelotti has extended his contract with Real Madrid and that automatically ends every potential move to any team at least for the next 12 - 15 months unless the club management decides to part ways with him. So the earlier the Brazilian football federation goes for another manager who'll take up the coaching job of the Brazil national team, the better for them.

The Copa America is coming up in less than six months from now and that's why they need to sign a manager that'll study and blend with the team before the commensement of the tournament on other not to experience a poor outing at the tournament
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However, now Ancelotti has officially extended his contract with Real Madrid, so how much money will they spend to redeem him from Real Madrid? Real Madrid themselves certainly don't want to quickly lose their coach, because now Ancelotti is carrying out a process, and that process is for the future of Real Madrid.
Real Madrid is usually a firm club, they definitely want to keep Ancelotti until his contract expires, unless in the middle of the journey Ancelotti seems to have failed, so there is a possibility that Real Madrid will fire him. But so far what he is doing with Real Madrid looks quite good and there are no problems, so it is possible to let him see out his contract.

I mean there is a need for a really big incident to happen which can really bring the point to sacking Ancelotti. But what can happen in the end? At least for this season Real Madrid are going on really smoothly. When it comes to next years in Ancelotti's contract I don't expect Real Madrid to struggle too much either. They are always keeping their squad solid and we already know how Ancelotti manages the team also.  Smiley

Ancelotti to Brazil was such a speculation that I guess most of us believed it was real - truthfully I did.  Grin  But I even saw the news on some reliable sources. It is really a shame to see fake news on such reliable places.  Sad
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The Carlo Anceloti to Brazil coaching was a big bait, i dont know from where, if from the proper circle of Anceloti or from the Brazilian federation of football, but ended up being a clown show.

I can think some words from the Anceloti representative to pressure Real Madrid, but i really dont know what really happen.

carlo anceloti coaching brazil is just a rumour. there has been no talk of a salary contract deal or contract duration.
And Anceloti's contract at Real Madrid is still long until 2026. If you want to take or break the contract, the Brazilian federation must spend more money for the transfer value of the coach. and it will be even more difficult for Anceloti to deal to train Brazil.
I think so too, especially now that Carlo Ancelotti has officially extended his contract at Real Madrid. So it would be very difficult if Brazil had to spend a lot of money to recruit Carlo Ancelotti. I am sure that after Carlo Ancelotti extended his contract with Real Madrid, Brazil will no longer expect him, especially since Brazil must immediately look for another coach because of preparations for the Copa America which will be held in the next few months.
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I have never seen Maradona play on live TV. All I have seen are a few recorded videos on YouTube and TV. But back then, the TV coverage was of poor quality and it is quite difficult to get a real measurement of his skillset. In case of players such as Pele, such material is even more scarce. All we know about them is sourced from a few match reports and books. Given this, it is very difficult to compare someone in this generation such as Messi, to someone from the old generation like Maradona. Only someone like Claudio Caniggia can make that comparison, since he has seen both of them in action.

I think since then professional sports have gone so far that we cannot compare players from those times with modern ones (I suspect that a team of modern average players would simply destroy a team of Maradona, Pele, Garinchi, Yashin, etc. simply due to training in team tactics and knowledge of statistics on the profitability of actions), it only makes sense to compare how much stronger they were than their generation. And here (again due to the lower level of team play) Maradona is definitely one of the tops in the entire history of football.
The few games I have watched where these players featured show that they had natural talents that set them above their peers. Maradona and Pele were extraordinarily gifted and their presence in a team tended to change the results. A key example is Pele whose efforts were instrumental to the winning of the 1970 World Cup. Another quality of these great players is their uncommon strength. They were able to excel in poor sporting facilities and other challenges that current footballers don't face. I assume that the olden days players will beat these modern-day players because of their uncommon strength and talents.   
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I have never seen Maradona play on live TV. All I have seen are a few recorded videos on YouTube and TV. But back then, the TV coverage was of poor quality and it is quite difficult to get a real measurement of his skillset. In case of players such as Pele, such material is even more scarce. All we know about them is sourced from a few match reports and books. Given this, it is very difficult to compare someone in this generation such as Messi, to someone from the old generation like Maradona. Only someone like Claudio Caniggia can make that comparison, since he has seen both of them in action.

I think since then professional sports have gone so far that we cannot compare players from those times with modern ones (I suspect that a team of modern average players would simply destroy a team of Maradona, Pele, Garinchi, Yashin, etc. simply due to training in team tactics and knowledge of statistics on the profitability of actions), it only makes sense to compare how much stronger they were than their generation. And here (again due to the lower level of team play) Maradona is definitely one of the tops in the entire history of football.
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There might be some truth to the idea that what is longer ago, is something that people better understand to value and to hold up. But it's also a question of taste. Some people will prefer Maradona over Messi for sure, and some see it the other way around. I think I am more of a Messi fan because it was part of my generation when he played and we got so many options to watch him play as I said. All these Youtube videos and other resources. There would never be as much material about a player from older generations simply because the technology wasn't there back then.

I have never seen Maradona play on live TV. All I have seen are a few recorded videos on YouTube and TV. But back then, the TV coverage was of poor quality and it is quite difficult to get a real measurement of his skillset. In case of players such as Pele, such material is even more scarce. All we know about them is sourced from a few match reports and books. Given this, it is very difficult to compare someone in this generation such as Messi, to someone from the old generation like Maradona. Only someone like Claudio Caniggia can make that comparison, since he has seen both of them in action.

That's not even right when we compare a player like Maradona with Messi because people in Argentina always try to find another legendary player like Maradona to respect him but that's not right because Maradona in Argentina was playing years ago when everything was different and not same with today they didn't have good coaches and good sports facilities but now Messi started his career in Barcelona's camp and raised as a legendary player in this team. Messi had obviously better chance than Maradona

But there is a logic error in your statement as it was the same for everyone back at the time. This means when Maradona had worse facilities and less support to develop as a player, the same counts for every other player during his generation. So after all it comes down to talent and individual work being put into becoming a better player. I think it is not like comparing a racing car from today with one from 40 years ago because that makes no sense as engines could have never been as efficient and as powerful as they are today. But I still think that people can have an opinion on players and then take into account that eras were different.
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There might be some truth to the idea that what is longer ago, is something that people better understand to value and to hold up. But it's also a question of taste. Some people will prefer Maradona over Messi for sure, and some see it the other way around. I think I am more of a Messi fan because it was part of my generation when he played and we got so many options to watch him play as I said. All these Youtube videos and other resources. There would never be as much material about a player from older generations simply because the technology wasn't there back then.

I have never seen Maradona play on live TV. All I have seen are a few recorded videos on YouTube and TV. But back then, the TV coverage was of poor quality and it is quite difficult to get a real measurement of his skillset. In case of players such as Pele, such material is even more scarce. All we know about them is sourced from a few match reports and books. Given this, it is very difficult to compare someone in this generation such as Messi, to someone from the old generation like Maradona. Only someone like Claudio Caniggia can make that comparison, since he has seen both of them in action.

That's not even right when we compare a player like Maradona with Messi because people in Argentina always try to find another legendary player like Maradona to respect him but that's not right because Maradona in Argentina was playing years ago when everything was different and not same with today they didn't have good coaches and good sports facilities but now Messi started his career in Barcelona's camp and raised as a legendary player in this team. Messi had obviously better chance than Maradona
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The Carlo Anceloti to Brazil coaching was a big bait, i dont know from where, if from the proper circle of Anceloti or from the Brazilian federation of football, but ended up being a clown show.

I can think some words from the Anceloti representative to pressure Real Madrid, but i really dont know what really happen.

carlo anceloti coaching brazil is just a rumour. there has been no talk of a salary contract deal or contract duration.
And Anceloti's contract at Real Madrid is still long until 2026. If you want to take or break the contract, the Brazilian federation must spend more money for the transfer value of the coach. and it will be even more difficult for Anceloti to deal to train Brazil.
This was no rumor because CBF was waiting for the Carlos Ancelotti to give any reply about their wish, but he never talks about this on media or on any platform which was making things difficult for the CBF but as he announces his extension of the contract with Real Madrid they understand this all and started their talk with next candidate Dorival Junior and this all gone successfully so they announce about this all quickly.
Now as we have details between Carlos Ancelotti and Real Madrid it's clear even if he fires from the coach of Real Madrid he can't leave the club as he will serve on any other post which he can't go on any other job until 2026 which is end of all hopes for any other club or country to have him as coach for their team.
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There might be some truth to the idea that what is longer ago, is something that people better understand to value and to hold up. But it's also a question of taste. Some people will prefer Maradona over Messi for sure, and some see it the other way around. I think I am more of a Messi fan because it was part of my generation when he played and we got so many options to watch him play as I said. All these Youtube videos and other resources. There would never be as much material about a player from older generations simply because the technology wasn't there back then.

I have never seen Maradona play on live TV. All I have seen are a few recorded videos on YouTube and TV. But back then, the TV coverage was of poor quality and it is quite difficult to get a real measurement of his skillset. In case of players such as Pele, such material is even more scarce. All we know about them is sourced from a few match reports and books. Given this, it is very difficult to compare someone in this generation such as Messi, to someone from the old generation like Maradona. Only someone like Claudio Caniggia can make that comparison, since he has seen both of them in action.

Yes and even if there was more material, it doesn't mean that it would be easily comparable as there are so many different things to consider when you compare players with each other.

But I think we are doing it right if we respect them both for their achievements, but I do understand if people have an easier time to like players more that were particularly a part of their lives. In my case this is more Messi and than Maradona, but frankly speaking, I could exactly tell whether one of them was truly better than the other player. What's impressive about both of them is the time they dominated the world of football. It wasn't just a year, not even just a decade, but around two decades.
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However, now Ancelotti has officially extended his contract with Real Madrid, so how much money will they spend to redeem him from Real Madrid? Real Madrid themselves certainly don't want to quickly lose their coach, because now Ancelotti is carrying out a process, and that process is for the future of Real Madrid.
Real Madrid is usually a firm club, they definitely want to keep Ancelotti until his contract expires, unless in the middle of the journey Ancelotti seems to have failed, so there is a possibility that Real Madrid will fire him. But so far what he is doing with Real Madrid looks quite good and there are no problems, so it is possible to let him see out his contract.

I wonder when this happened in your opinion? Last season? So, firstly, he reached the semi-finals of the Champions League, and secondly, all of Real's problems were due to Benzema's injuries and the fact that Real did not buy Mbappe or Haaland - but in neither case is Ancelotti's fault.
By the way, in Ancelotti’s new contract there is an option allowing him to remain at the club even after dismissal (if it happens), this has already happened, for example, in the case of Scolari, who, after dismissal from the post of head coach, remained at the club for a couple of years in other positions.
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The Carlo Anceloti to Brazil coaching was a big bait, i dont know from where, if from the proper circle of Anceloti or from the Brazilian federation of football, but ended up being a clown show.

I can think some words from the Anceloti representative to pressure Real Madrid, but i really dont know what really happen.

carlo anceloti coaching brazil is just a rumour. there has been no talk of a salary contract deal or contract duration.
And Anceloti's contract at Real Madrid is still long until 2026. If you want to take or break the contract, the Brazilian federation must spend more money for the transfer value of the coach. and it will be even more difficult for Anceloti to deal to train Brazil.

That is true but what is also true is that Ancelotti has spent quite some time now at Real Madrid so most probably he would want a boost,a final boost to his career by opting to join Brazil and be their coach.The Brazil federation I think would pay more money for transferring him by breaking Real Madrid contract as they would be getting a very good coach which has shown his skills with many club teams.I think he can finally give back glory to Brazil with a much needed World Cup title.
However, now Ancelotti has officially extended his contract with Real Madrid, so how much money will they spend to redeem him from Real Madrid? Real Madrid themselves certainly don't want to quickly lose their coach, because now Ancelotti is carrying out a process, and that process is for the future of Real Madrid.
Real Madrid is usually a firm club, they definitely want to keep Ancelotti until his contract expires, unless in the middle of the journey Ancelotti seems to have failed, so there is a possibility that Real Madrid will fire him. But so far what he is doing with Real Madrid looks quite good and there are no problems, so it is possible to let him see out his contract.
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The Carlo Anceloti to Brazil coaching was a big bait, i dont know from where, if from the proper circle of Anceloti or from the Brazilian federation of football, but ended up being a clown show.

I can think some words from the Anceloti representative to pressure Real Madrid, but i really dont know what really happen.

carlo anceloti coaching brazil is just a rumour. there has been no talk of a salary contract deal or contract duration.
And Anceloti's contract at Real Madrid is still long until 2026. If you want to take or break the contract, the Brazilian federation must spend more money for the transfer value of the coach. and it will be even more difficult for Anceloti to deal to train Brazil.

That is true but what is also true is that Ancelotti has spent quite some time now at Real Madrid so most probably he would want a boost,a final boost to his career by opting to join Brazil and be their coach.The Brazil federation I think would pay more money for transferring him by breaking Real Madrid contract as they would be getting a very good coach which has shown his skills with many club teams.I think he can finally give back glory to Brazil with a much needed World Cup title.
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The Carlo Anceloti to Brazil coaching was a big bait, i dont know from where, if from the proper circle of Anceloti or from the Brazilian federation of football, but ended up being a clown show.

I can think some words from the Anceloti representative to pressure Real Madrid, but i really dont know what really happen.

carlo anceloti coaching brazil is just a rumour. there has been no talk of a salary contract deal or contract duration.
And Anceloti's contract at Real Madrid is still long until 2026. If you want to take or break the contract, the Brazilian federation must spend more money for the transfer value of the coach. and it will be even more difficult for Anceloti to deal to train Brazil.
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I feel Brazil will not have a good time in the Copa America or the World Cup with the current situation they have because they prefer to stick to their plan and use only the Brazilian coaches which can damage the team because they could have much better options for their team.
Traditions can definitely damage Brazil because they have many younger players and good talents in this country but these young players need better coaching to give them a better plan.
Indigenous coaches should be considered even better for national teams as this because of their knowledge of the traditional football style of their team, having been used to their style I was hoping they will understand the players much better than a foreigner would and capitalize on that to getting a perfect blend for the teas performance, the advantage the foreign coach have over indigenous coaches would be that they will be bringing exposure to the team and introducing a better pattern of Play thereby exposing their minds to been able to fit in in the international scene of football which is a very healthy move for young players who are still developing.

It's not okay to rule out the Brazilian coaches totally because out there other countries Who may even want to employ the service of such coach especially if such Coach is world class and have good a good track record and experience aswell
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There might be some truth to the idea that what is longer ago, is something that people better understand to value and to hold up. But it's also a question of taste. Some people will prefer Maradona over Messi for sure, and some see it the other way around. I think I am more of a Messi fan because it was part of my generation when he played and we got so many options to watch him play as I said. All these Youtube videos and other resources. There would never be as much material about a player from older generations simply because the technology wasn't there back then.

I have never seen Maradona play on live TV. All I have seen are a few recorded videos on YouTube and TV. But back then, the TV coverage was of poor quality and it is quite difficult to get a real measurement of his skillset. In case of players such as Pele, such material is even more scarce. All we know about them is sourced from a few match reports and books. Given this, it is very difficult to compare someone in this generation such as Messi, to someone from the old generation like Maradona. Only someone like Claudio Caniggia can make that comparison, since he has seen both of them in action.
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As for the first part of your post, it is complete nonsense and I would like to ask you to explain how you happened to know that. Maybe you got some email back and forth with Messi.

As for the second part of your post, that is your opinion and I respect that. I disagree with you and yet there is no right or wrong, which is quite cool.

I think Messi is the greatest of all time, but then again it might be easier these days to judge like that because we have all these fancy Youtube videos and a million angles preparing the games in the most spectacular ways.

 Grin There it is, I forgot to add that smiley face when I posted, it was simply a joke.

Of course Messi just wanted to win the world cup at any time, just happened to get it after Maradona passed away.

I still believe most people in Argentina prefer Maradona over Messi.

Maybe it's because it was older, it has a bit more of mystery than current times where everything is recorded.

There might be some truth to the idea that what is longer ago, is something that people better understand to value and to hold up. But it's also a question of taste. Some people will prefer Maradona over Messi for sure, and some see it the other way around. I think I am more of a Messi fan because it was part of my generation when he played and we got so many options to watch him play as I said. All these Youtube videos and other resources. There would never be as much material about a player from older generations simply because the technology wasn't there back then.
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