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Quote from: rdbase on August 26, 2024, 01:07:17 AM

Do not know if anyone on here was aware that Telegram's CEO was arrested over the weekend.
Telegram CEO Pavel Durov’s detention extended following arrest in France
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/25/telegram-messaging-app-ceo-pavel-durov-arrested-in-france

Not sure if this will affect their business in the slightest or it will just operate fine since the exact same thing happened to CZ with Binance and he will be released in the coming weeks from his four month term for similar charges except for the drug trafficking part of it.

At this point I am pretty sure most of the forum is aware of the arrest of Pavel. Actually, it is a hot topic in the alternative currencies section of the forum, because how the news has made the price of TONcoin to dump almost a fifteen percent in less than twenty-four hours...
As a side note and having more to do with the topic of this thread you opened, since TONcoin reached the Top 10 of cryptocurrencies by market capitalization, there certainly many gambling and Play-to-Earn projects being developed in their main chain, as itnis shifter and lighter than developing within the Ethereum main chain.
Time will tell, as it stands for now, there have been many people who has lost money because of this news, I expect Pavel to stay in custody for at least some months, due to the nature of the charges being brought against him. Sad

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Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on August 26, 2024, 02:52:06 AM

This is not a game, but simply a way to mine tokens. This method was invented in the Notcoin project, and then this method became popular due to its simplicity. The Hamster Kombat project became widespread mainly because it was widely distributed by crypto influencers. But recently, as the media writes. There was a quarrel between the founders and influencers in the project. Influencers were unhappy that the "mining" lasted too long and the founders of the project were just sitting on advertising traffic and did not give anything for development. This leads to a decrease in the popularity of the project. This also leads to the fact that influencers stop covering this project, give it negative assessments and cover alternative projects. Unfortunately, the project is dying due to the greed, stupidity and incompetence of the founders.

Wow! I didn't know that happened. I mean I am not updated with them because I was not taking the game seriously and I just want to test what is happening inside the said application.
After reading your post, I checked some news about it and I found this which was recently posted.

‘Hamster Kombat’, Other TON Games Protest Arrest of Telegram CEO Pavel Durov
https://decrypt.co/246339/hamster-kombat-ton-games-protest-arrest-telegram-ceo-pavel-durov

Quote from: passwordnow on August 26, 2024, 09:55:54 AM

I've seen some projects that have tried to revive old games which might work too but if it's about sustainability and with money involved, developers need to do something on it. Because they have to make money but also their players too and they need to balance everything so that it will be a win-win for them and also to the players that will dedicate their time and money on it. But again, IMHO, it's gonna take time while we see another crypto game that will storm the market and community with the same impact on what Axie did.

Ads could really help.
MIR4 has ads inside the game too but they are giving it back to the players by means of points where it could be used to draw gacha items in the game. Even if it's a small amount, that is still money that could help survive the game.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on August 25, 2024, 11:24:17 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on August 24, 2024, 06:57:23 AM

They should have done that long before when they're on the peak. But then, it's all about the priorities of the devs and for the main project of Sky Mavis which is the Ronin token and their platform, I am not impressed with how their games are having because they're all circulating still on Axie which IMO is good but they need to do something else to catch people's attention again and if they're able to find success there, they should be careful if that time comes.

I agree with all your pointers out there.

Sure, Axie was one of the successful cryptocurrency-based games, especially in terms of how they market it. But you are right, they cannot just repeat what they did because the people now are looking for something new, something that is not Axie.
I played Plants versus Undead, it's like Axie which relies on the strength of your plants to give you more profits, I played My Defi Pet and it's almost the same as Axie where it also relies on your pet's strength. Most of it was gambling your money to see if you could create something strong to enhance your profits.
I think the only different one was the MMORPG-based crypto games because you could somehow grind your way and still profit in the process. I didn't spend anything in MIR4 and yet I made a lot of money in-game by selling gold and then I sold my whole account using the NFT feature.

It can be done. It just needed a good developer with the right purpose and not a rug pull.

Now that you've mentioned MMORPG-based crypto game and MIR4 despite that I haven't played that, I have witnessed people made money there by just investing their time and no money included. If these companies will create a new gaming project, they really need to do something different and not just copy paste a former project and do it with some money involved in the process of playing the game. It might work but it is not sustainable.

I've seen some projects that have tried to revive old games which might work too but if it's about sustainability and with money involved, developers need to do something on it. Because they have to make money but also their players too and they need to balance everything so that it will be a win-win for them and also to the players that will dedicate their time and money on it. But again, IMHO, it's gonna take time while we see another crypto game that will storm the market and community with the same impact on what Axie did.

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This is not a game, but simply a way to mine tokens. This method was invented in the Notcoin project, and then this method became popular due to its simplicity. The Hamster Kombat project became widespread mainly because it was widely distributed by crypto influencers. But recently, as the media writes. There was a quarrel between the founders and influencers in the project. Influencers were unhappy that the "mining" lasted too long and the founders of the project were just sitting on advertising traffic and did not give anything for development. This leads to a decrease in the popularity of the project. This also leads to the fact that influencers stop covering this project, give it negative assessments and cover alternative projects. Unfortunately, the project is dying due to the greed, stupidity and incompetence of the founders.

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Do not know if anyone on here was aware that Telegram's CEO was arrested over the weekend.
Telegram CEO Pavel Durov’s detention extended following arrest in France
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/25/telegram-messaging-app-ceo-pavel-durov-arrested-in-france

Not sure if this will affect their business in the slightest or it will just operate fine since the exact same thing happened to CZ with Binance and he will be released in the coming weeks from his four month term for similar charges except for the drug trafficking part of it.

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Quote from: passwordnow on August 24, 2024, 06:57:23 AM

Quote from: danherbias07 on August 22, 2024, 06:25:47 AM

I think what they need to improve is how to give back without spending too much. Then, getting a great value of their own token by using a strong marketing team for investors to come in and hold the tokens to create more value. It's a gamble but every cryptocurrency started with that including Bitcoin which first investors did gamble their money and now they are reaping their rewards.

They should have done that long before when they're on the peak. But then, it's all about the priorities of the devs and for the main project of Sky Mavis which is the Ronin token and their platform, I am not impressed with how their games are having because they're all circulating still on Axie which IMO is good but they need to do something else to catch people's attention again and if they're able to find success there, they should be careful if that time comes.

I agree with all your pointers out there.

Sure, Axie was one of the successful cryptocurrency-based games, especially in terms of how they market it. But you are right, they cannot just repeat what they did because the people now are looking for something new, something that is not Axie.
I played Plants versus Undead, it's like Axie which relies on the strength of your plants to give you more profits, I played My Defi Pet and it's almost the same as Axie where it also relies on your pet's strength. Most of it was gambling your money to see if you could create something strong to enhance your profits.
I think the only different one was the MMORPG-based crypto games because you could somehow grind your way and still profit in the process. I didn't spend anything in MIR4 and yet I made a lot of money in-game by selling gold and then I sold my whole account using the NFT feature.

It can be done. It just needed a good developer with the right purpose and not a rug pull.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on August 22, 2024, 06:25:47 AM

Do you mean Axie? Yes, that's true. I really think that crypto games can be great injected with cryptocurrencies. Other companies are already doing it like WeMade and I think they are successfully giving back to the players by using their NFT feature. Still, I don't like the idea of a pyramid scheme like what Axie did and other crypto games that will obviously milk the players first before they can give back unlike others who are relying on advertisements too so that they can continue their business.

I am also a believer that games can be well collaborated with cryptocurrencies. But we've seen it with these NFT games that have became popular but in the end, the hands of the game really is on the hands of the developers and on how they're going to cope with the demand of the market and as well as the demand of the players. I think that those that treats it as a pyramid scheme is because for one to win, there has to be a loser. That's the probable logic that they've got in their minds.

Well, losing and winning is also in gambling so it's not just all about that logic but also has a gamble scheme if we're going to base that about whoever becomes first is the winner and the next ones has to sustain the winners profit.

Quote from: danherbias07 on August 22, 2024, 06:25:47 AM

I think what they need to improve is how to give back without spending too much. Then, getting a great value of their own token by using a strong marketing team for investors to come in and hold the tokens to create more value. It's a gamble but every cryptocurrency started with that including Bitcoin which first investors did gamble their money and now they are reaping their rewards.

They should have done that long before when they're on the peak. But then, it's all about the priorities of the devs and for the main project of Sky Mavis which is the Ronin token and their platform, I am not impressed with how their games are having because they're all circulating still on Axie which IMO is good but they need to do something else to catch people's attention again and if they're able to find success there, they should be careful if that time comes.

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Now if they can create a game that people will get engulfed in such as this new trailer that amazon put out of a movie they will be releasing at the end of this year about the video game genre, then they will have something worth spending hours of your day on:

SECRET LEVEL Reveal Trailer (2024) Prime Video | 4K UHD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tEgL8mRQkw

Due to it just being visually stunning!

Imagine if they made a world in VR just like this.
People would be spending all their living hours on it and getting paid to do it in a type of in-game currency.

The possibilities are unless at that point!

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Quote from: sompitonov on August 14, 2024, 08:59:47 AM

Crypto games seem to be with us forever, because after AKSI showed how much it can be in demand by players with great interest all over the world. Although I do not play these games, because I am too old and cannot compete with the younger generation, for them it is a great opportunity to earn money in their free time. Of course, these games cannot compete with CS2 or DOTA2, but you can earn money here. Moreover, I think that crypto games will gradually evolve and improve graphic design, tokenomics and eventually they will become very popular. I think that those who start their journey in these games will be able to earn quite a lot.

Do you mean Axie? Yes, that's true. I really think that crypto games can be great injected with cryptocurrencies. Other companies are already doing it like WeMade and I think they are successfully giving back to the players by using their NFT feature. Still, I don't like the idea of a pyramid scheme like what Axie did and other crypto games that will obviously milk the players first before they can give back unlike others who are relying on advertisements too so that they can continue their business.

I think what they need to improve is how to give back without spending too much. Then, getting a great value of their own token by using a strong marketing team for investors to come in and hold the tokens to create more value. It's a gamble but every cryptocurrency started with that including Bitcoin which first investors did gamble their money and now they are reaping their rewards.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on August 14, 2024, 08:42:00 AM

Quote from: rdbase on August 14, 2024, 06:50:45 AM

How is Hamster Kombat been progressing lately. Their token value had gone down with the downturn in the cryptomarket in the past week aswell?

Those tokenomics would effect the gameplay if their players are not receiving what they use to when they first started playing and just might end up just as Axie Infinity did and just die suddenly along with their token's value.
Thus nobody really playing it anymore from loss of interest in the gameplay.
Been watching a few videos on how much the average Filipino family makes in a monthly wage on youtube.
So if the numbers are not right, they will just quit playing all together and move on to something else that is more lucrative.

I am not checking the value of their token but I do check the application when I have some time.
Yesterday, they posted a message about how airdrops will be given and it's about the keys that one player receives. The more keys the higher the size of an airdrop each participant will receive.
So, I tried their games where you will receive the keys, and damn it's exhausting. Ads after ads and if you are a gamer of Android applications you will probably hate it. Also, the advertisements popping out are not simple 5-second ads, they take 30 - 45 seconds before they end so you will get sleepy before you can even get one key from playing their games.
Perhaps this is where they will get some of the money for their profits but I doubt it will be the one that will be given to the participants. It's true, it might just become another Axie in the future.

Crypto games seem to be with us forever, because after AKSI showed how much it can be in demand by players with great interest all over the world. Although I do not play these games, because I am too old and cannot compete with the younger generation, for them it is a great opportunity to earn money in their free time. Of course, these games cannot compete with CS2 or DOTA2, but you can earn money here. Moreover, I think that crypto games will gradually evolve and improve graphic design, tokenomics and eventually they will become very popular. I think that those who start their journey in these games will be able to earn quite a lot.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on August 14, 2024, 08:42:00 AM

Quote from: rdbase on August 14, 2024, 06:50:45 AM

How is Hamster Kombat been progressing lately. Their token value had gone down with the downturn in the cryptomarket in the past week aswell?

Those tokenomics would effect the gameplay if their players are not receiving what they use to when they first started playing and just might end up just as Axie Infinity did and just die suddenly along with their token's value.
Thus nobody really playing it anymore from loss of interest in the gameplay.
Been watching a few videos on how much the average Filipino family makes in a monthly wage on youtube.
So if the numbers are not right, they will just quit playing all together and move on to something else that is more lucrative.

I am not checking the value of their token but I do check the application when I have some time.
Yesterday, they posted a message about how airdrops will be given and it's about the keys that one player receives. The more keys the higher the size of an airdrop each participant will receive.
So, I tried their games where you will receive the keys, and damn it's exhausting. Ads after ads and if you are a gamer of Android applications you will probably hate it. Also, the advertisements popping out are not simple 5-second ads, they take 30 - 45 seconds before they end so you will get sleepy before you can even get one key from playing their games.
Perhaps this is where they will get some of the money for their profits but I doubt it will be the one that will be given to the participants. It's true, it might just become another Axie in the future.

One of the main reasons on why i dont really touch up these kind of games on the time that you would really be needing to deal up with advertisements. Its true that it would be just fine if its a 5 second ads
but taking 45-60 then it would really be not worth of your time and it would be better that you should really be doing something which is worth and something that would really be productive.
I have already learnt a lesson with this kind of set up when dealing up with ads related type of games. Remember "Bubble rangers" on which they are really having that kind of option on removing
the ads for $10 on which i have purchased that one and on the time that they do have that TGE then you are really just that getting peanuts. I was really that positive towards that project considering
on the game and on the tokenomics or simply in overall then you could say that it does have the potential but ending up on being a shit. This is why im not never considering on taking up such kind of
airdrops or having those kind of promises. Just like on what everyone is really that saying on here that there's no assurance that you could make money constantly with airdrops.

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Quote from: rdbase on August 14, 2024, 06:50:45 AM

How is Hamster Kombat been progressing lately. Their token value had gone down with the downturn in the cryptomarket in the past week aswell?

Those tokenomics would effect the gameplay if their players are not receiving what they use to when they first started playing and just might end up just as Axie Infinity did and just die suddenly along with their token's value.
Thus nobody really playing it anymore from loss of interest in the gameplay.
Been watching a few videos on how much the average Filipino family makes in a monthly wage on youtube.
So if the numbers are not right, they will just quit playing all together and move on to something else that is more lucrative.

I am not checking the value of their token but I do check the application when I have some time.
Yesterday, they posted a message about how airdrops will be given and it's about the keys that one player receives. The more keys the higher the size of an airdrop each participant will receive.
So, I tried their games where you will receive the keys, and damn it's exhausting. Ads after ads and if you are a gamer of Android applications you will probably hate it. Also, the advertisements popping out are not simple 5-second ads, they take 30 - 45 seconds before they end so you will get sleepy before you can even get one key from playing their games.
Perhaps this is where they will get some of the money for their profits but I doubt it will be the one that will be given to the participants. It's true, it might just become another Axie in the future.

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Quote from: rdbase on August 14, 2024, 06:50:45 AM

How is Hamster Kombat been progressing lately. Their token value had gone down with the downturn in the cryptomarket in the past week aswell?

Those tokenomics would effect the gameplay if their players are not receiving what they use to when they first started playing and just might end up just as Axie Infinity did and just die suddenly along with their token's value.
Thus nobody really playing it anymore from loss of interest in the gameplay.
Been watching a few videos on how much the average Filipino family makes in a monthly wage on youtube.
So if the numbers are not right, they will just quit playing all together and move on to something else that is more lucrative.

Did hamster kombat did end up on having a value? I thought this one had been dump into the garbage considering on the delays but cant really be denied that this one did really make out such huge hype.
Now the current hype is on $DOGS now which is also that getting basing up on the age of your Telegram account. Now that we are really just that seeing that everything is really according to hype.
Although it wont really be that giving out that kind of assurance that you will really be that making money but well as bounty or free things then it wont really be that so bad.

Going back about crypto games for a living then it wont really be something that will really be making out that guarantee that you could really make money anytime. There's no assurance
that any project that you would really be tending to deal with will really be ending up successful. This is why if you do rely your living with this then most of the time you would be fucked up.
There's no way taht y ou could really be able to sustain for long term because if we do tend to look around on which tons of projects are really that ending up on shit
or having no value of their tokens.

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How is Hamster Kombat been progressing lately. Their token value had gone down with the downturn in the cryptomarket in the past week aswell?

Those tokenomics would effect the gameplay if their players are not receiving what they use to when they first started playing and just might end up just as Axie Infinity did and just die suddenly along with their token's value.
Thus nobody really playing it anymore from loss of interest in the gameplay.
Been watching a few videos on how much the average Filipino family makes in a monthly wage on youtube.
So if the numbers are not right, they will just quit playing all together and move on to something else that is more lucrative.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on August 09, 2024, 08:15:00 AM

So, I am still testing that Hamster Kombat game and I think I know now why Iran's government is calling it a distraction. The game requires time to acquire the points because it replenishes so quickly that you almost have to open it every hour or less just to get those points. Then, there are the other daily rewards and how to earn more that will take some time to receive them.
Now I realize this is not just an idle game, it's like you are playing a text-based game in exchange for rewards and you are upgrading your skills to acquire more of the tokens. I have not opened it for like 2 days and I saw that it didn't give me the points that I should have considering it should be more.
Still, I am not hooked on this game, I don't find it appealing, Iran is probably right that this is just a distraction and could be a waste of time in the future.

Also, I have not seen yet where is the part that players could buy the coins to rush their token accumulation.

Quote from: rdbase on August 09, 2024, 06:56:07 AM

While checking youtube early today noticed these playable games within the site:
https://www.youtube.com/playables

They say no downloads.

So are big tech companies starting to see how successful these in-games are and looking to capitalize on it from the wake of telegram P2E games?
Seems like they are testing the waters and then might start their own ecosystem of tokenization in the future if the numbers are right to them,

Checked. It says the page is not available. Have you seen what's inside of it?

Yes here are the games available to play but only within the youtube site:

So it might be region restricted.

As for Iran's restriction on Hamster Kombat towards their citizens, they are a country looking to designate war recently so they are restricting any outside influence that can be detrimental to their region's security and this a warranted action by their military.

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So, I am still testing that Hamster Kombat game and I think I know now why Iran's government is calling it a distraction. The game requires time to acquire the points because it replenishes so quickly that you almost have to open it every hour or less just to get those points. Then, there are the other daily rewards and how to earn more that will take some time to receive them.
Now I realize this is not just an idle game, it's like you are playing a text-based game in exchange for rewards and you are upgrading your skills to acquire more of the tokens. I have not opened it for like 2 days and I saw that it didn't give me the points that I should have considering it should be more.
Still, I am not hooked on this game, I don't find it appealing, Iran is probably right that this is just a distraction and could be a waste of time in the future.

Also, I have not seen yet where is the part that players could buy the coins to rush their token accumulation.

Quote from: rdbase on August 09, 2024, 06:56:07 AM

While checking youtube early today noticed these playable games within the site:
https://www.youtube.com/playables

They say no downloads.

So are big tech companies starting to see how successful these in-games are and looking to capitalize on it from the wake of telegram P2E games?
Seems like they are testing the waters and then might start their own ecosystem of tokenization in the future if the numbers are right to them,

Checked. It says the page is not available. Have you seen what's inside of it?

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While checking youtube early today noticed these playable games within the site:
https://www.youtube.com/playables

They say no downloads.

So are big tech companies starting to see how successful these in-games are and looking to capitalize on it from the wake of telegram P2E games?
Seems like they are testing the waters then might start their own ecosystem of tokenization in the future if the numbers are right to them,

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Ton coin telegram's token gets listed on Binance:
https://www.theblock.co/post/310222/binance-toncoin-ton-spot-trading

Even though CZ is in jail until September, so he will be released next month.
https://www.fxstreet.com/cryptocurrencies/news/bnb-rallies-as-cz-begins-jail-term-202406032024

Sentenced in April but paid the fine so reduced to 4 months:
https://www.coindesk.com/policy/2024/06/03/former-binance-ceo-cz-begins-4-month-prison-sentence-in-california
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/04/30/binance-founder-changpeng-zhao-cz-sentenced-to-four-months-in-prison-.html

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It is sad to hear that you have such a difficult situation in your country. It is really difficult when high unemployment and low wages prevent people from providing for their families. I hope that the Philippines can come out of the crisis and improve the economic situation so that people can find stable and decent jobs.

The solution is working abroad, Filipinos have decent English skill, hard worker and humble, so developed countries do need them for blue collar jobs. Even though they only earn minimum wages in developed countries, but the salary is enough to survive there and they can still send some amount for their family.
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I hope that someday Filipinos will be able to find good work opportunities at home and won't have to go abroad to make a living. It would be great if the economic situation improves enough so that people can stay with their families and still earn a decent income.

If they cant be able to find online, then why they cant really just that find out locally or physically? It is really just that there are people who are really that too lazy on doing stuffs.
When it comes to opportunity then there are really tons of opportunity on which you could really be able to take or something that you could really be able to deal with.
As for making up some living via gambling then it would really be just that 101% gamble and its not something that would really be worth that you should be taking into consideration.

Gambling should really be just that for fun and on the time or moment that you do see yourself that engaging into it then enjoyment and entertainment is something that could be felt.
There are really just that people's desperation on what makes other people who do have what it takes despite of that huge potential loss or negative then it
will really causing up such huge problem.

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Quote from: rdbase on July 30, 2024, 08:47:26 AM

~snip

Heard that it is listed on some well known exchanges.
Might already be on Binance on their Binance chain or even Coinbase with their base chain.
So if there is any doubt, it doesn't really matter since it has corporate investors invovled.
Thus does not really matter at this point of the game, if you know what I mean.

As for it being a ponzi scheme, when the players are getting paid I really don't think they care if it is or not.
They will roll with it just as long they are getting paid until that it stops then they know the game is over at that point.
Literally.

Yes, I think it is. That's the plan in their roadmap, to be listed in different exchanges in July of 2024 so they might've listed also in not so popular exchanges but it's still going to help boost their hype and I don't think that would do good for the crypto community.

Another country is claiming this game has become a problem for them.
How Telegram Game Hamster Kombat Got 300 Million Users—and the Ire of Iran’s Military
https://www.wired.com/story/telegram-game-hamster-kombat-massive/

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You are a hamster, you want to get rich, and you’re also the CEO of a crypto exchange. This is the premise of Hamster Kombat, the new Telegram “mini-game” that claims to have more than 300 million players. It’s become so popular that in June, an Iranian military leader accused it of distracting voters amidst the country’s elections, saying it was a tool in the West’s “soft war” against Iran’s theocracy.

So we could say many Iranians are also playing this game. It looks like it is widespread in most of the countries in Asia because many Filipinos are also hooked on this. Well, it's okay if they will have nothing to lose but when you invest something, be sure to pull out when there's a chance for profit.
Still, I would not recommend it to anyone. It may not take your money as a free player but the time will be a distraction to our daily household/work tasks just like what Iran authorities are saying.

After reading that article I got curious, I tried checking what was happening as a free player only. I don't know why it's a distraction since there are only tasks that can be done once. Maybe I am missing something or it's different when you are invested.

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