Topic: Filipinos Playing crypto games for a living - Developer even says it is gambling - page 2. (Read 1739 times)

I am a big fan of crypto games but all in all I am here for the money, I don't care what will happen after, and right now I see that Sony is creating a layer 2 for web3 games too called Sonieum, also a big web3 game is already listed on Sony store, I believe gaming will do well in coming months.

Gaming is also gambling too because you won't always win, even in web2 games you can't always beat the boss until you find it weak point, come to think about Call of duty multiplayer, there will always be others that are tougher than you, so you won't always win.

Right now there isn't a perfect game built with good tokenomics, most of them are like ponzi kinda, but like I've said, I don't care about that but the money that I am ready to make in the bull market, as for gamers in Philippines, my advice is they should get into the games early, the longer the game is the harder it gets to make money out of them.

Simple, money!
You understand that in order to play to earn somebody must bring in the money for your reward, you have millions of players you need to bring in millions. You have for example 10 million players, each needs to make like $100 a month to be happy, this translates into 1 billion each month that needs to be injected in the game, 12 billion each year, this can be possible only if you add new 120 million players and each spends for started on average $100. Now you have 130 million players that each want $100 a month so....get ready... 170 billion is needed each year or 20 times!!!!! the revenue of Blizzard or Electronic Arts.

The problem with all those games is that they have been built on an MLM scheme basis, they produce unlimited tokens that need unlimited resources, and it's simply impossible for them to survive in the long run.
Imagine what would be the price of any item in the world if everyone started making it, every single person in the world would plant potatoes for example, the outcome would be that potatoes would be worthless since everyone has more than they need and nobody buys it, such is the problem with play to earn models.


If Hamster Kombat turns into a rugpull it will be the end of mini-games and their tokens, there will be millions of frustrated users who have spent hours working for this stuff and if they don't get anything decent they will never touch these kinds of games again!

You have touched upon a very interesting philosophical question. Indeed, why shouldn't play-to-earn game developers maintain interest in their games over the long term? Of course, it is difficult. But nevertheless, there is nothing impossible about it. Players' interests do change, but this does not mean that developers cannot follow these interests and adjust game mechanics to their interests. However, those commentators who claim that the main goal of game developers is to wait for the hype, secure profits and abandon the game are right. We see this scenario almost always.

Thought to start playing they don't require to pay anything , just as they progress through the game and level up then they would. But not at first.
Heard some news today they were going to stop the game since the trouble the platform that they are using has been in the since last week with the arrest of their current CEO and investigations happening as we speak.
Essentially a rug-pull by the game developers of Hamster Kombat because they can not afford to keep the company going with the in-game currency dumping along with the platform's own TON coin.

That's how it should go, while the pockets of the players could be the main source of these games revenue and what they're going to give back to their community. They could be open in advertisement and any sponsorships just to keep going with the game without hitting the pockets of the player but at the same time, they're giving back. Well, there are really different thoughts and plans for each game's development and if the main goal is to give fun to the players, I don't think that many of these developers have that goal.

The main plan of the most of them is to make money and not to miss the train when the game they have developed became on hype. We've seen various games that have became popular but then lost its popularity a little by little and that's one of the realities into these games that the devs will never be able to control. Like players are growing up and getting older and the interest changes but if they retain a good and sustainable economy, I don't think players that benefit the game will quit.

I guess that these devs have realized that creating a hype and making the game's temporary success is easy than maintaining it and regaining its glory.

At this point I am pretty sure most of the forum is aware of the arrest of Pavel. Actually, it is a hot topic in the alternative currencies section of the forum, because how the news has made the price of TONcoin to dump almost a fifteen percent in less than twenty-four hours...
As a side note and having more to do with the topic of this thread you opened, since TONcoin reached the Top 10 of cryptocurrencies by market capitalization, there certainly many gambling and Play-to-Earn projects being developed in their main chain, as itnis shifter and lighter than developing within the Ethereum main chain.
Time will tell, as it stands for now, there have been many people who has lost money because of this news, I expect Pavel to stay in custody for at least some months, due to the nature of the charges being brought against him. 

Wow! I didn't know that happened. I mean I am not updated with them because I was not taking the game seriously and I just want to test what is happening inside the said application.
After reading your post, I checked some news about it and I found this which was recently posted.

‘Hamster Kombat’, Other TON Games Protest Arrest of Telegram CEO Pavel Durov
https://decrypt.co/246339/hamster-kombat-ton-games-protest-arrest-telegram-ceo-pavel-durov
Ads could really help.
MIR4 has ads inside the game too but they are giving it back to the players by means of points where it could be used to draw gacha items in the game. Even if it's a small amount, that is still money that could help survive the game.

Now that you've mentioned MMORPG-based crypto game and MIR4 despite that I haven't played that, I have witnessed people made money there by just investing their time and no money included. If these companies will create a new gaming project, they really need to do something different and not just copy paste a former project and do it with some money involved in the process of playing the game. It might work but it is not sustainable.

I've seen some projects that have tried to revive old games which might work too but if it's about sustainability and with money involved, developers need to do something on it. Because they have to make money but also their players too and they need to balance everything so that it will be a win-win for them and also to the players that will dedicate their time and money on it. But again, IMHO, it's gonna take time while we see another crypto game that will storm the market and community with the same impact on what Axie did.

This is not a game, but simply a way to mine tokens. This method was invented in the Notcoin project, and then this method became popular due to its simplicity. The Hamster Kombat project became widespread mainly because it was widely distributed by crypto influencers. But recently, as the media writes. There was a quarrel between the founders and influencers in the project. Influencers were unhappy that the "mining" lasted too long and the founders of the project were just sitting on advertising traffic and did not give anything for development. This leads to a decrease in the popularity of the project. This also leads to the fact that influencers stop covering this project, give it negative assessments and cover alternative projects. Unfortunately, the project is dying due to the greed, stupidity and incompetence of the founders.

Do not know if anyone on here was aware that Telegram's CEO was arrested over the weekend.
Telegram CEO Pavel Durov’s detention extended following arrest in France
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/8/25/telegram-messaging-app-ceo-pavel-durov-arrested-in-france

Not sure if this will affect their business in the slightest or it will just operate fine since the exact same thing happened to CZ with Binance and he will be released in the coming weeks from his four month term for similar charges except for the drug trafficking part of it.

I agree with all your pointers out there.

Sure, Axie was one of the successful cryptocurrency-based games, especially in terms of how they market it. But you are right, they cannot just repeat what they did because the people now are looking for something new, something that is not Axie.
I played Plants versus Undead, it's like Axie which relies on the strength of your plants to give you more profits, I played My Defi Pet and it's almost the same as Axie where it also relies on your pet's strength. Most of it was gambling your money to see if you could create something strong to enhance your profits.
I think the only different one was the MMORPG-based crypto games because you could somehow grind your way and still profit in the process. I didn't spend anything in MIR4 and yet I made a lot of money in-game by selling gold and then I sold my whole account using the NFT feature.

It can be done. It just needed a good developer with the right purpose and not a rug pull.

I am also a believer that games can be well collaborated with cryptocurrencies. But we've seen it with these NFT games that have became popular but in the end, the hands of the game really is on the hands of the developers and on how they're going to cope with the demand of the market and as well as the demand of the players. I think that those that treats it as a pyramid scheme is because for one to win, there has to be a loser. That's the probable logic that they've got in their minds.

Well, losing and winning is also in gambling so it's not just all about that logic but also has a gamble scheme if we're going to base that about whoever becomes first is the winner and the next ones has to sustain the winners profit.

They should have done that long before when they're on the peak. But then, it's all about the priorities of the devs and for the main project of Sky Mavis which is the Ronin token and their platform, I am not impressed with how their games are having because they're all circulating still on Axie which IMO is good but they need to do something else to catch people's attention again and if they're able to find success there, they should be careful if that time comes.

Now if they can create a game that people will get engulfed in such as this new trailer that amazon put out of a movie they will be releasing at the end of this year about the video game genre, then they will have something worth spending hours of your day on:



SECRET LEVEL Reveal Trailer (2024) Prime Video | 4K UHD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tEgL8mRQkw

Due to it just being visually stunning!

Imagine if they made a world in VR just like this.
People would be spending all their living hours on it and getting paid to do it in a type of in-game currency.


The possibilities are unless at that point!

Do you mean Axie? Yes, that's true. I really think that crypto games can be great injected with cryptocurrencies. Other companies are already doing it like WeMade and I think they are successfully giving back to the players by using their NFT feature. Still, I don't like the idea of a pyramid scheme like what Axie did and other crypto games that will obviously milk the players first before they can give back unlike others who are relying on advertisements too so that they can continue their business.

I think what they need to improve is how to give back without spending too much. Then, getting a great value of their own token by using a strong marketing team for investors to come in and hold the tokens to create more value. It's a gamble but every cryptocurrency started with that including Bitcoin which first investors did gamble their money and now they are reaping their rewards.

Crypto games seem to be with us forever, because after AKSI showed how much it can be in demand by players with great interest all over the world. Although I do not play these games, because I am too old and cannot compete with the younger generation, for them it is a great opportunity to earn money in their free time. Of course, these games cannot compete with CS2 or DOTA2, but you can earn money here. Moreover, I think that crypto games will gradually evolve and improve graphic design, tokenomics and eventually they will become very popular. I think that those who start their journey in these games will be able to earn quite a lot.

One of the main reasons on why i dont really touch up these kind of games on the time that you would really be needing to deal up with advertisements. Its true that it would be just fine if its a 5 second ads
but taking 45-60 then it would really be not worth of your time and it would be better that you should really be doing something which is worth and something that would really be productive.
I have already learnt a lesson with this kind of set up when dealing up with ads related type of games. Remember "Bubble rangers" on which they are really having that kind of option on removing
the ads for $10 on which i have purchased that one and on the time that they do have that TGE then you are really just that getting peanuts. I was really that positive towards that project considering
on the game and on the tokenomics or simply in overall then you could say that it does have the potential but ending up on being a shit. This is why im not never considering on taking up such kind of
airdrops or having those kind of promises. Just like on what everyone is really that saying on here that there's no assurance that you could make money constantly with airdrops.

I am not checking the value of their token but I do check the application when I have some time.
Yesterday, they posted a message about how airdrops will be given and it's about the keys that one player receives. The more keys the higher the size of an airdrop each participant will receive.
So, I tried their games where you will receive the keys, and damn it's exhausting. Ads after ads and if you are a gamer of Android applications you will probably hate it. Also, the advertisements popping out are not simple 5-second ads, they take 30 - 45 seconds before they end so you will get sleepy before you can even get one key from playing their games.
Perhaps this is where they will get some of the money for their profits but I doubt it will be the one that will be given to the participants. It's true, it might just become another Axie in the future.

Did hamster kombat did end up on having a value? I thought this one had been dump into the garbage considering on the delays but cant really be denied that this one did really make out such huge hype.
Now the current hype is on $DOGS now which is also that getting basing up on the age of your Telegram account. Now that we are really just that seeing that everything is really according to hype.
Although it wont really be that giving out that kind of assurance that you will really be that making money but well as bounty or free things then it wont really be that so bad.

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Going back about crypto games for a living then it wont really be something that will really be making out that guarantee that you could really make money anytime. There's no assurance
that any project that you would really be tending to deal with will really be ending up successful. This is why if you do rely your living with this then most of the time you would be fucked up.
There's no way taht y ou could really be able to sustain for long term because if we do tend to look around on which tons of projects are really that ending up on shit
or having no value of their tokens.

How is Hamster Kombat been progressing lately. Their token value had gone down with the downturn in the cryptomarket in the past week aswell?

Those tokenomics would effect the gameplay if their players are not receiving what they use to when they first started playing and just might end up just as Axie Infinity did and just die suddenly along with their token's value.
Thus nobody really playing it anymore from loss of interest in the gameplay.
Been watching a few videos on how much the average Filipino family makes in a monthly wage on youtube.
So if the numbers are not right, they will just quit playing all together and move on to something else that is more lucrative.

Yes here are the games available to play but only within the youtube site:

So it might be region restricted.

As for Iran's restriction on Hamster Kombat towards their citizens, they are a country looking to designate war recently so they are restricting any outside influence that can be detrimental to their region's security and this a warranted action by their military.