Filipinos Playing crypto games for a living - Developer even says it is gambling

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Quote from: AliMan on September 24, 2024, 06:48:06 AM

Quote from: Reid on September 24, 2024, 06:39:57 AM

It is gambling on a different way. When I heard about MMORPG being injected with cryptocurrencies and NFT's I saw an opportunity to make money too and so I tried them. I am a fan of MMORPG ever since I was a kid. i.e. Ragnarok, Flyff, and more.
In that era, you spend money by buying scratch cards so that you could log-in the game, without it you cannot even play.
Now, it's way different, you can play for free and they made it better, you can make money out of it and if you want to make money faster, you buy their premiums and VIP. So, yes, it is gambling in a different way, the same with the likes of gacha games which for me is a waste of money because all you are receiving is entertainment but nothing in return.

Everybody has their own choice and preference, if they've been entertained instead of expecting something in return and yet there's no frustrations then it's not a big deal. We just need to have patience on this certain idea since the involvement here is play for free and once subscribing to vip will be the best decision to make then that's an independent idea for everybody who really wanted those games they like in crypto considering gambling is the main concern.

Somehow gaming is well known activities for Filipinos and I find it more ideal on what they currently do with these P2A games out there since instead of wasting their time playing those games which didn't give them benefits or return, they could able to monetized their time by playing those enjoyable P2A games which currently available right now.

We don't know their financial status, but I think they are not relying their income to those games since for sure that they know everything is unstable or unsure with those projects. Provably majority of them is just doing their thing in that category when they have free time. Some may stay since maybe they like the game they are playing and might they engage with pay to earn which provably implemented to get their chance more higher to win and earn good figures if the project succeed.

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Quote from: AliMan on September 24, 2024, 06:48:06 AM

Quote from: Reid on September 24, 2024, 06:39:57 AM

It is gambling on a different way. When I heard about MMORPG being injected with cryptocurrencies and NFT's I saw an opportunity to make money too and so I tried them. I am a fan of MMORPG ever since I was a kid. i.e. Ragnarok, Flyff, and more.
In that era, you spend money by buying scratch cards so that you could log-in the game, without it you cannot even play.
Now, it's way different, you can play for free and they made it better, you can make money out of it and if you want to make money faster, you buy their premiums and VIP. So, yes, it is gambling in a different way, the same with the likes of gacha games which for me is a waste of money because all you are receiving is entertainment but nothing in return.

Everybody has their own choice and preference, if they've been entertained instead of expecting something in return and yet there's no frustrations then it's not a big deal. We just need to have patience on this certain idea since the involvement here is play for free and once subscribing to vip will be the best decision to make then that's an independent idea for everybody who really wanted those games they like in crypto considering gambling is the main concern.

I agree with you! We need to be patient with this new innovations, you can never tell what good will come out of it. it's just like airdrops, people literally play games do task, accumulate points or coins and on listing it's being converted to whatever monetary value the project owners have built it with. So this game might not be different, people already play games online some people, spend hours gaming just for the fun of it so converting that m time they spend into money looks like a win win situation.

Although, I'm not certain how long they have to play the game, how much they get from it but a Philippine in this trend said they even earn from this games more than their minimum salary so I guess it's a good option for them and we should just give the project time to to grow better. In summary if people can play games for hours for fun they might as well do it and get paid and with time just like airdrops or crypto decide what to do with the money.

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Quote from: Reid on September 24, 2024, 06:39:57 AM

It is gambling on a different way. When I heard about MMORPG being injected with cryptocurrencies and NFT's I saw an opportunity to make money too and so I tried them. I am a fan of MMORPG ever since I was a kid. i.e. Ragnarok, Flyff, and more.
In that era, you spend money by buying scratch cards so that you could log-in the game, without it you cannot even play.
Now, it's way different, you can play for free and they made it better, you can make money out of it and if you want to make money faster, you buy their premiums and VIP. So, yes, it is gambling in a different way, the same with the likes of gacha games which for me is a waste of money because all you are receiving is entertainment but nothing in return.

It's just that the main goal of game developers is the reason why they launched it in the first place. There are goals for this, for example, buying VIP items so that developers can make a profit. I stopped playing cryptocurrency games a long time ago because they are primitive and I can't stand them, even if they offer me a minimum income. In the end, it all comes down to competing with each other and if the players who play without over-crying are too strong, then we simply have no chance against them. These are mainly schoolchildren who skip school and have plenty of time for this. It is impossible for me, an adult, to compete with them in the game and I understand this.

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Quote from: Reid on September 24, 2024, 06:39:57 AM

It is gambling on a different way. When I heard about MMORPG being injected with cryptocurrencies and NFT's I saw an opportunity to make money too and so I tried them. I am a fan of MMORPG ever since I was a kid. i.e. Ragnarok, Flyff, and more.
In that era, you spend money by buying scratch cards so that you could log-in the game, without it you cannot even play.
Now, it's way different, you can play for free and they made it better, you can make money out of it and if you want to make money faster, you buy their premiums and VIP. So, yes, it is gambling in a different way, the same with the likes of gacha games which for me is a waste of money because all you are receiving is entertainment but nothing in return.

Everybody has their own choice and preference, if they've been entertained instead of expecting something in return and yet there's no frustrations then it's not a big deal. We just need to have patience on this certain idea since the involvement here is play for free and once subscribing to vip will be the best decision to make then that's an independent idea for everybody who really wanted those games they like in crypto considering gambling is the main concern.

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It is gambling on a different way. When I heard about MMORPG being injected with cryptocurrencies and NFT's I saw an opportunity to make money too and so I tried them. I am a fan of MMORPG ever since I was a kid. i.e. Ragnarok, Flyff, and more.
In that era, you spend money by buying scratch cards so that you could log-in the game, without it you cannot even play.
Now, it's way different, you can play for free and they made it better, you can make money out of it and if you want to make money faster, you buy their premiums and VIP. So, yes, it is gambling in a different way, the same with the likes of gacha games which for me is a waste of money because all you are receiving is entertainment but nothing in return.

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I found this nice article for us to read. It talks about Pavel Durov and how it might affect the digital freedom.

Digital Freedom on Trial: Telegram’s CEO in Custody
https://tradeflock.com/arrest-allegations-accountability/

Is It an Attack on Digital Freedom?

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The arrest of Pavel Durov has far-reaching significance for digital freedom. It highlighted the growing tension between governments and tech companies over content moderation and corporate responsibility. While Durov faces serious charges, his arrest also exposes a contradiction in the West’s approach to content regulations. Tech CEOs like Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg, who oversee social media platforms with their content moderation challenges, are not facing similar charges or allegations. This discrepancy raises questions about the consistency and fairness of regulatory actions across different jurisdictions in the West.

Consistency. I think what the writer wants to point out is it should be fair to Durov since a lot of social media applications are also not too good at content moderation. Not just X and Facebook, there's a lot more out there.
So why Telegram?
The home of: Gambling? Scam attempts? Cryptocurrency project rugpulls? Well, we can also see a lot of those on Facebook and it actually was the first home of such things.

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The arrest of Pavel Durov in France has ignited a global debate on digital freedom and tech companies’ responsibilities. While the charges against him are serious, the overall implications of his arrest can not be ignored. It exposes the inconsistencies in how different countries approach tech platform regulations and raises critical questions about the future of digital freedom in an increasingly interconnected world.

It's scary and if these charges do get him in jail for a long time, the other application owners who do the same should now be careful with their contents. Or, will it just be Durov? Now that will be questionable.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on September 05, 2024, 04:16:06 AM

@rdbase, now it's all coming out.

Unregistered gambling platforms inside Telegram. I have heard of this but didn't try it because there are so many options out there so why the heck should I gamble in a platform that is used for messaging? I just don't get it.
Anyway, there's so many things that Telegram seems to be having a hard time cleaning up and that includes scammers and rug pull projects using their platforms to victim people.

Now, they added more such as gambling and investment applications such as Hamster Kombat. I bet Durov will have a hard time escaping this one despite all the support that he is getting from different popular people.

And there's even an article telling the story of Durov and the start of Telegram here.
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/opinion/article/2024/09/05/pavel-durov-s-arrest-marks-the-emergence-of-sovereign-digital-spaces_6724871_23.html#

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For the best, this is the story of a platform that was built in opposition to censorship and digital surveillance in Russia. Following the Russian government's takeover of the VKontakte social network he had created, Durov went into exile in Dubai in 2014 to develop the Telegram app, avoiding the political regulators and security services of his home country. Initially little known, the new network quickly achieved success, particularly in Russia, where it became the preferred communication channel for all opponents of the regime (independent journalists, human rights defenders, opposition activists).

In 2018, exasperated by its excesses of freedom, Russian authorities tried to block the application on its soil but failed considering the inventiveness of Telegram's designers, who found technical means of circumventing censorship. The demonstrations organized to protest the blocking, which notably included the participation of Alexei Navalny, turned Durov into the herald of the free internet in Russia. Since then, Telegram has been hosting a wide range of content. Russia's democratic media outlets (Novaya Gazeta, Dojd, Meduza) remain there. It is one of the last places of media and political pluralism for opposition figures banished from the public arena and now, since the massive aggression against Ukraine, for the most part forced into exile.

I guess that's the reason why it's filled with black agendas. Censorship. Governments won't like that.

Due to it's own in-app currency called TON coin.
They want it's users to make use of it so to have it become more valuable towards the cryptocurrency market.
But due to recent events with Durov it has backfired and lost a significant amount while it was on a surge upwards towards the $6.80usd mark. Last I looked it was hovering around $4.68usd when you view the coin's chart there was a dramtic dump in the price once news broke of his arrest.

But I agree with your very last statement, the CEO had no recollection of what is going on with his app and it has become an entity on it's own devoid of any sort of control at this point.
And this is including those unregistered gambling platforms.

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@rdbase, now it's all coming out.

Unregistered gambling platforms inside Telegram. I have heard of this but didn't try it because there are so many options out there so why the heck should I gamble in a platform that is used for messaging? I just don't get it.
Anyway, there's so many things that Telegram seems to be having a hard time cleaning up and that includes scammers and rug pull projects using their platforms to victim people.

Now, they added more such as gambling and investment applications such as Hamster Kombat. I bet Durov will have a hard time escaping this one despite all the support that he is getting from different popular people.

And there's even an article telling the story of Durov and the start of Telegram here.
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/opinion/article/2024/09/05/pavel-durov-s-arrest-marks-the-emergence-of-sovereign-digital-spaces_6724871_23.html#

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For the best, this is the story of a platform that was built in opposition to censorship and digital surveillance in Russia. Following the Russian government's takeover of the VKontakte social network he had created, Durov went into exile in Dubai in 2014 to develop the Telegram app, avoiding the political regulators and security services of his home country. Initially little known, the new network quickly achieved success, particularly in Russia, where it became the preferred communication channel for all opponents of the regime (independent journalists, human rights defenders, opposition activists).

In 2018, exasperated by its excesses of freedom, Russian authorities tried to block the application on its soil but failed considering the inventiveness of Telegram's designers, who found technical means of circumventing censorship. The demonstrations organized to protest the blocking, which notably included the participation of Alexei Navalny, turned Durov into the herald of the free internet in Russia. Since then, Telegram has been hosting a wide range of content. Russia's democratic media outlets (Novaya Gazeta, Dojd, Meduza) remain there. It is one of the last places of media and political pluralism for opposition figures banished from the public arena and now, since the massive aggression against Ukraine, for the most part forced into exile.

I guess that's the reason why it's filled with black agendas. Censorship. Governments won't like that. Cheesy

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The arrest of Durov is a delicate matter, as for us who we are outside the spotlight it's hard to measure how conniving he was with the criminals operating inside Telegram. Was he really conniving with drug dealers, terrorists and children abusers, or was he just ensuring the privacy right of each Telegram's user?

At same time, are French authorities defending the society from the corruption practiced by the criminals, or are they just using this situation as an excuse to completely get rid of privacy for the common citizen?

After all, Telegram is only good or evil depending the person who is making usage of this tool. The offensive against Telegram is a pitty for those who just want to have their privacy respected, but on the other hand, it's good that criminals are having their schemes stopped somehow, even if temporarily.

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^^
P2E is a form of gambling because are you guaranteed anything after you play? Certainly not.
Players are investing their time into the game, so if those who are playing do not view their time as valuable than it wouldn't be considered gambling.
As someone had mentioned before these games on telegram require you to make in-game purchases so to level up and continue playing, so they have hooked them in right when starting to play the game thinking they can just play for free and earn. But it is at a slower rate and will take them years to achieve in weeks from what they would if they just paid for those in-game purchases.

Something called the TGCasino telegram casino made some news this past week of the CEOs arrest in France:

source: https://sbcnews.co.uk/featurednews/2024/08/27/durov-telegram-illicit-game

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Quote from: rdbase on September 01, 2024, 07:34:57 AM

Quote from: passwordnow on August 30, 2024, 11:53:55 AM

Finally, the TGE for Hamster Kombat has come. I don't have it but I am happy for my friends that have been tapping for so long that this has now been supported in the exchanges that they can trade the token that will be generated. Some exchanges have already gave the date of listing it and it is in less than a month now. Hope for it folks that there won't be any reason for them anymore to delay it.

TGE what is that exactly? Exchange listing if it is then which one will it be available for trading once it is released to all those users?
On the very first day expect a massive dump of the coin on to that exchange then.

Yes, it's the exchange listing as well. TGE means token genetion event. I am also guessing that a massive dump is about to come there. But it won't be surprising if some delay might possible happen again as it did before.

Quote from: rdbase on September 01, 2024, 07:34:57 AM

Also was wondering about another thread I had just noticed about:
PH Senator pushes a Ban to POGOs and All Sort of Online Gambling...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ph-senator-pushes-a-ban-to-pogos-and-all-sort-of-online-gambling-5501566

Will this affect the P2E ecosystem because I believe the Philippines will find a way to say this is gambling and to have it banned under this law they look to put in place.

P2E is different from gambling so I don't think that there's any relation to that. But who knows soon if some connection will be done by the rulers, officials or senators for something to push like that.

Quote from: rdbase on September 01, 2024, 07:34:57 AM

We can all agree that any government, no matter which corner of the world you are in, will try and find a way to tax or outright ban if it's citizens are making an income that is not in their control.

This is so true, no can skip that taxation from whatever we're all earning from.

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Quote from: passwordnow on August 30, 2024, 11:53:55 AM

Quote from: rohang on August 29, 2024, 09:34:59 AM

Regardless whether such games are total scams or not, telegram being in trouble is super bad news as many legit sites use it extensively for their business

Telegram isn't in trouble just because Durov has been arrested. But maybe he is unless he will step down as the CEO to protect the company.

Quote from: rohang on August 29, 2024, 09:34:59 AM

$HMSTR will be launched in just about a month and alot of it depends on telegram still being 'legal' is most countries, Even India hinted they might be looking at the shady stuff happening in some corners of telegram Shocked

Finally, the TGE for Hamster Kombat has come. I don't have it but I am happy for my friends that have been tapping for so long that this has now been supported in the exchanges that they can trade the token that will be generated. Some exchanges have already gave the date of listing it and it is in less than a month now. Hope for it folks that there won't be any reason for them anymore to delay it.

TGE what is that exactly? Exchange listing if it is then which one will it be available for trading once it is released to all those users?
On the very first day expect a massive dump of the coin on to that exchange then.

Also was wondering about another thread I had just noticed about:
PH Senator pushes a Ban to POGOs and All Sort of Online Gambling...
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ph-senator-pushes-a-ban-to-pogos-and-all-sort-of-online-gambling-5501566

Will this affect the P2E ecosystem because I believe the Philippines will find a way to say this is gambling and to have it banned under this law they look to put in place.
We can all agree that any government, no matter which corner of the world you are in, will try and find a way to tax or outright ban if it's citizens are making an income that is not in their control.

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Quote from: rohang on August 29, 2024, 09:34:59 AM

Regardless whether such games are total scams or not, telegram being in trouble is super bad news as many legit sites use it extensively for their business

Telegram isn't in trouble just because Durov has been arrested. But maybe he is unless he will step down as the CEO to protect the company.

Quote from: rohang on August 29, 2024, 09:34:59 AM

$HMSTR will be launched in just about a month and alot of it depends on telegram still being 'legal' is most countries, Even India hinted they might be looking at the shady stuff happening in some corners of telegram Shocked

Finally, the TGE for Hamster Kombat has come. I don't have it but I am happy for my friends that have been tapping for so long that this has now been supported in the exchanges that they can trade the token that will be generated. Some exchanges have already gave the date of listing it and it is in less than a month now. Hope for it folks that there won't be any reason for them anymore to delay it.

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Quote from: rdbase on August 28, 2024, 02:36:56 PM

Durov who was in custody since late last week had been released and transferred to French court for possible indictment.
"Whatever Durov’s portrayal a government arresting the founder and CEO of a popular social media platform over its content is considered extraordinary and historic.
After France's officials detained Durov, Telegram released a statement saying that “its absurd to claim that a platform or its owner are responsible for abuse of that platform,” adding that the platform complies with European Union laws."
source: https://www.npr.org/2024/08/28/nx-s1-5091295/telegram-ceo-pavel-durov-french-custody-investigation

That could be also said about Ulbricht and the Silk Road who ended up with a double life sentence for over the last decade.

I don't know how Durov could get away from his cases.

Telegram founder faces probe into alleged ‘acts of violence’ against his child in Switzerland
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/08/29/europe/telegram-pavel-durov-swiss-child-allegations-intl-latam/index.html
It's piling up.

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French prosecutors told CNN they have requested more information from Switzerland over allegations that Telegram founder Pavel Durov conducted “acts of violence” against one of his children.

Now the big question: How this will affect the crypto games in the Telegram application? One of them is Hamster Kombat which is being played by millions of people. I bet there are a lot of investors and players who are now doubting where the project's future is. Did the make the wrong gamble or will it still continue its promise?

I mean, this is a big problem considering it's the Telegram founder who is being accused of many cases and that is where their application is set.

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Regardless whether such games are total scams or not, telegram being in trouble is super bad news as many legit sites use it extensively for their business

$HMSTR will be launched in just about a month and alot of it depends on telegram still being 'legal' is most countries, Even India hinted they might be looking at the shady stuff happening in some corners of telegram Shocked

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Quote from: rdbase on July 08, 2024, 08:25:50 AM

Seen a video released recently about how the video game industry had been trying to reinvent itself by offering a reward in the form of cryptocurrency for those who choose to play their games.

It's only unknown crypto projects that are doing it though which pop-up outta nowhere and equally fast to disappear and they don't make a dent in overall gaming industry, mainstream studios are still sticking with usual in-game items as rewards.

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You can decide for yourself if this statement has any truth to it or if those companies are just taking advantage of the situation to the impoverished who do not have stable work.

They are doing it on their own free will, and no one is forcing them to play, so how is that taking advantage? If they do not find it worth it, they can stop playing, as simple as that.

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Durov who was in custody since late last week had been released and transferred to French court for possible indictment.
"Whatever Durov’s portrayal a government arresting the founder and CEO of a popular social media platform over its content is considered extraordinary and historic.
After France's officials detained Durov, Telegram released a statement saying that “its absurd to claim that a platform or its owner are responsible for abuse of that platform,” adding that the platform complies with European Union laws."
source: https://www.npr.org/2024/08/28/nx-s1-5091295/telegram-ceo-pavel-durov-french-custody-investigation

That could be also said about Ulbricht and the Silk Road who ended up with a double life sentence for over the last decade.

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Quote from: rdbase on August 27, 2024, 06:15:16 PM

Quote from: passwordnow on August 26, 2024, 12:06:43 PM

That's how it should go, while the pockets of the players could be the main source of these games revenue a

Thought to start playing they don't require to pay anything , just as they progress through the game and level up then they would. But not at first.
Heard some news today they were going to stop the game since the trouble the platform that they are using has been in the since last week with the arrest of their current CEO and investigations happening as we speak.
Essentially a rug-pull by the game developers of Hamster Kombat because they can not afford to keep the company going with the in-game currency dumping along with the platform's own TON coin.

Well, there's some news about it although it's not new anymore because they've mentioned it before about the TGE and it has been delayed. I've seen the community of it not really impressed at all and are expecting for some more delays from the announced one recently.

Quote from: Julien_Olynpic on August 28, 2024, 01:10:10 AM

You have touched upon a very interesting philosophical question. Indeed, why shouldn't play-to-earn game developers maintain interest in their games over the long term? Of course, it is difficult. But nevertheless, there is nothing impossible about it. Players' interests do change, but this does not mean that developers cannot follow these interests and adjust game mechanics to their interests. However, those commentators who claim that the main goal of game developers is to wait for the hype, secure profits and abandon the game are right. We see this scenario almost always.

They are right, most of these play to earn games are launched at the right time. Like this time, we're on the bull run and many of them are starting to push their projects because interest of the people are there once again. But if they're going to launch that on a bear market, they won't get that much attention for sure.

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Quote from: rohang on August 28, 2024, 06:41:37 AM

Seen many ads and friends talking about it.

Is hamster kombat actually legit or a scam ? are people able to convert those to real money ?

I use telegram alot but never really looked into all these things Shocked

Nobody really knows since this is an ongoing investigation on the CEO of the company platform where he is being charged with some serious allegations including illegal gambling, drug trafficking and distribution of sexually explicit images of minors. And there is no getting away with that if found to be guilty of doing any sort of those activities.

https://x.com/wikileaks/status/1828151621651447908

They are set to make their decision on his fate later on today:
https://financialpost.com/pmn/french-prosecutors-set-to-charge-or-release-telegram-ceo-pavel-durov-as-his-custody-order-expires

https://x.com/CP24/status/1828747450422882781

A little of a background check on how this person got into his business it is today which it's wealth of information is more valuable to governments officials across the globe than one might think:

https://time.com/7015129/pavel-durov-arrest-france-telegram

Think of what happened to Andrew Tate of his most recent arrest in Romania with being charged with human trafficking to know the extend governments will go to apprehend individuals who are vocal about freedoms they are entitled too and see them as a problem.
https://www.politico.eu/article/telegram-pavel-durov-arrest-emmanuel-macron-france-social-media

Macron was seen checking his telegram right after he landed in France and arrested right infront of him.
French President Macron Continues To Use Telegram After CEO Durov's Arrest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQAieE7z_yg

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Seen many ads and friends talking about it.

Is hamster kombat actually legit or a scam ? are people able to convert those to real money ?

I use telegram alot but never really looked into all these things Shocked

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