Topic: Flat Earth - page 219. (Read 1095196 times)

On a globe the size of the earth - some 24,000 miles in circumference - the curvature of water that finds its own level is not measurable by any means we have today, except at distances. Why not? Because the measurement would have to be in angstroms, the size of the water molecules themselves. We have no way to reduce heat in water sufficiently, while at the same time keeping the water liquid, to reduce the motion of the molecules so that we can measure the curvature. Study microcalorimetric functions. However. We know that water curves in a container with adhesion and cohesion. So, we know that water can curve, and not find its own level.


If there is no other container, gravity, cohesion or adhesion, or a combination of the three, will contain the water.


Water does indeed take the shape of an exterior surface. Consider how many people have been wiping their dishes dry after washing them, for thousands of years. Also, dunk a basketball or tennis ball or golf ball in water. Even when the ball is only in the water for a few seconds, the water sticks to the surface of the ball when you pull it out of the water. In other words, it is wet. Turning the ball 360 degrees in a 24-hour period doesn't have anything to do with how dry or wet the ball remains; so, "spinning ball effect" doesn't apply one way or the other.


If you take a partial vacuum system, one which has a gas evenly distributed/dispersed throughout the vacuum, and you place a chunk of solid material within the system, there will be more gas that gathers at the surface of the chunk than there is in any other place in the vacuum system. This means that there is NOT a sudden cut-off of gas. What it means is that there is a gradual lessening of gas as you move away from the chunk.

Globe earth is like this. Ignore the effect of the solar winds for a moment. You need oxygen tanks while climbing at the summit of Mount Everest, because the air is so thin up there that there isn't enough to breathe. The higher you go, the less the air. There is not sudden cut-off. But gravity definitely causes a gradual reduction of air until you reach a point that is near a pure vacuum. Note that in near Earth orbit around the sun, there is still at least one proton ion for every cubic centimeter of space. There is no pure vacuum in near Earth orbit.


Regarding ships and horizons, lie down on the ground, with the side of your head on the ground, and look out of your eye that is nearest the ground. Do this on a flat surface like a sidewalk, but best a flat, straight road. Note where the horizon is. Next, lie down on a table, in the exact same place, but 2.5 feet above the road. See that the position of the horizon has changed. Objects on the road drop off the horizon at different points. You don't really need a telescope for this, but use one if you want. Ships at sea and horizon measurement is stupid... doesn't prove anything because of too many variables. Road horizon at a couple of inches off the surface of the road is a good indicator. Experiment this way and that, and you will see that there is definitely horizon with objects below or partially below the road horizon.

Right you need to square it.  You left that out last time.  It makes a huge difference.

Do you have any shots of the horizon slanting off from left to right?  If so please share as that would influence a lot of people to come back to sphere earth.  You would actually prove the curvature at that point.  You would change all our direct realities.

For now the things I know for myself are.

Water finds its level
Water needs a container or it will flow
Water will not take the shape of an exterior surface (roundness of the earth)
Vacuums cannot exist next to pressurized systems without equalizing

If I'm to change my view from "we are not on a sphere" I need something that I experience for myself that would prove the spherical nature of the earth.  Else, I am putting what I experience in my own life to the side to believe in what authority and consensus tells me.  

For me the boat disappearing behind the curve just doesn't do it for me as with stronger and stronger viewing devices I can bring the ship back until the atmospheric conditions make that impossible.  Yes I have really done this as when I was first introduced I tried to disprove it as a science project with my son.  Its the same as watching your friend travel away from you a distance.  He will start disappearing form the bottom half as he moves out in the distance.

So the Archimedes (?) boat going behind the curve experiment was the first thing we tested as that was the easiest. 

I have also moved locations (thanks crytpo) where I have almost on unobstructed view.  Its crazy to see airplanes fly seemingly straight up from the horizon (like a rocket) then level off as it gets above you then it appears to sink back down and appear to crash into the horizon once again.  We then started taking one point perspective art classes to learn how our eyes work and realize what we see is not reality as the plane was level the entire time.  

The next thing I looked into was the two sticks in the ground experiment Eratosthenes did.  This however is an issue due to the close sun theory.  When first introduced the close sun seems outrageous however sextants and theodolites show the sun is about 3k miles away.  Not 93 million.  Navigators have been using these tools for 100's of years without issue.  Then upon looking further the entire concept that the sun in 400x larger than the moon and it just so happens its 400x further away just doesn't sit right with me.  That's one hell of a coincidence.  So this one was out (for me).  

The fact moonlight is colder than moon shade is also a cool experiment.  Does not prove shape whatsoever but an interesting experiment to do none the less.  

One time for the record I do not claim any flat earth model as my own.  The reality is I have no idea.  I just know the sphere and level water does not work for me.  The obvious answer (from what we were told in school)  to the curving water is gravity however the Cavendish experiment and lack of being able to demonstrate it after 200 years does not allow me to put my direct reality on hold.  We know how things fall but do not know why they fall.  Tyson De Grasse has even stated this.  Not sure if you buy into him or not.  

The funny thing about all this is my son and I have learned way more "accepted science" in this journey than we would have if we did not discover this debate. 

7.98" per mile squared unless you don't trust Pythagoras either.

Let's say your eyes are at 5 feet and you're standing at the edge of the water. Your horizon is at ~3 miles, so you'll see pretty much the whole boat at that distance.

Have to admit.... I'm not an expert on the indisputable science of a giant frisbee shaped earth
as you brilliant trolls well educated flat earth sages seem to be. I mean its on a Bitcointalk thread...so it has to be true.
Hey you  wouldn't be trolling my ass would you?

This is not correct.  Please try again.

"The curvature adds an ~8 inch drop per mile" = WRONG

How can you speak up when you don't even know the fucking curvature formula.  All the while spouting off like your know about this shit. 

Only you and notbatshit are claiming that. The curvature adds an ~8 inch drop per mile, so it would have to be a very small boat (~50 inches) and your eyes/camera would have to be at the water lever for it to go beyond your horizon in 3 miles.

A more realistic distance is 10-20 miles depending on how tall the boat is and where you're standing.

Obviously it get's smaller, but you can see the thin mirage line at the end, what the hell happened to the rest of the boat?

FTFY



The video shows a boat being engulfed by a mirage exactly as I described. The bottom part of the ship is covered by a reflection of the area just above it. As the boat gets farther away it gets smaller as the mirage which remains the same size covers more and more of it. Eventually the angular size of the boat is so small the entire vessel is engulfed and disappears.

Its great you're now admitting the mirage at the horizon is a fact but, you need to go the full distance and admit the Earth is flat, that or kill yourself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDdwP0Ucomk

RIP IN PEPERONIS. Min 2:00 and beyond, you can see the lights showing where the mirage starts and ends clearly showing how more than half of the boat is hidden by the horizon, get rekt.

Stupid fucks never think to look left and right and think hmmm where is the curve while claiming a boat completely disappears right in front of them 3 miles out.    Horizon is perfectly level.  A sphere will drop off equally in all directions you dumb fucks. 

Keep calling these globe disciples out.  People wanting to learn are going to see the truths you are dropping and further investigate. 

I loved how you schooled that stupid fuck BADecker on mirages and he just goes onto his next fallacy.  Not wanting to learn.  Just spewing his BS brainwashing.  Intelligent people will see his game.  Vod is still my favorite dumb ass though.  Something about fat fuck Canadians I just can't get enough of.

Direct provable reality.
FACT - Water always finds it's level.
FACT - Water does not conform to the exterior of a shape.
FACT - Vacuums cannot exist next to a pressurized environment without a barrier

They want us to put our direct reality on hold to believe their fantastic stories of bendy water and vacuums existing next to pressurized systems without equalizing.  No thanks.

Can't wait to hear their next claim.  You know they're brainwashed or shills as you give them proof after proof and they just jump to some other stupid shit.  Not wanting to learn or further themselves.

Also these shills/brainwashing victims on this forum are fairly amateur at this.  Most of the shit they are spewing is absolutely ridiculous and easy to rebuff.

A boat disappears bottom up into a mirage at the horizon and that's a provable fact.




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I got you shills so fucking red handed here with your lies. Everybody with a P900 camera knows there's no hump of water three miles out tall enough to hide an entire sailboat. You can see a shoreline twenty or thirty miles across the water. It's also fucking obvious when you look at the horizon, it's perfectly flat and you fucking liars are claiming that over three miles there's a giant mound of water that a sailboat goes up, over and behind all while remaining perfectly vertical? You can literally film the reflections from the mirage at the horizon with your camera.

Who cares? Anybody can prove the horizon doesn't have anything to do with flat earth by doing this - https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.46245374. This also proves the earth isn't flat.

My sentiments exactly...

If I were the OP for a bitcointalk thread that was ,like say, discussing the indisputable fact that a
giant pink teapot orbits the earth and people were still engaging me 600
pages and 3 years later... damn straight I'd keep up the charade....

They're pretending that fata morgana mirages don't exist and claiming the effect caused by the mirage is actually a giant hump of water three miles out that ships are sailing up, over and behind. Fucking idiots or liars, take your pick.

I answered the fucking question in my first reply:

When it is almost all the way over the horizon on a globe.

Where is the boat? When does that happen to the boat, ever?

Says the guy who has been posting in a thread since 2015 in something he doesn't believe in. 

Watch the birdie (the flying one), then go kill yourself.