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legendary
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April 14, 2017, 09:12:44 PM
For the simple reason that, anybody, as a simple person, living in his/her simple life, would see exactly the same thing on either a flat earth or a globe earth. God was writing for simple people... people who at the time had no scientific knowledge. If God had explained earth to them in the scientific way, they wouldn't have understood. Nowadays we have been able to explain globe earth to ourselves in ways that we understand.

The point is, you and I can go out and look at the sky and the ground, right now, and see the same thing that would be seen on either a flat earth or a globe earth. That is the thing that God describes for people... not the thing that they would see if they understood science, nor the thing that they would see if they were a hundred-thousand miles off into space.

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Oh, I think we did more than that.  We have essentially invalided all of the science in the Bible.   - Actually, you have invalidated your own thinking.

- The universe was not created in 6 days - But you know that what you say is not necessarily true, even from your own stand point. You were not one of the people who received the word directly from God. And you weren't there. So, you don't know.
- Earth does not have a dome above it - But it appears to, and essentially does if you look at the earth and sky with your simple sight.
- Earth is not 6000 years old - Not exactly. But a little older, well under 7,000-y-o.
- Global flood 4000 years ago did not happen - Closer to 4,500 years ago - http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm.
- Genetic variation is not due to a massive incest starting with Adam and Eve, - True. - it is a result of evolution over millions of years - False, because probability math shows that there was no evolution, and the idea of millions of years is intentional falsity by scientists.
- we have evolved from other primates, and we were not created from dirt by some spirit (I do not even know what that means) - Again, probability math shows that evolution is solidly impossible, and irreducible complexity proves it. The fact that you do not even know what something you wrote means, shows that you don't know what you are talking about, by your own admission.
- women were not created from the rib bone - The one woman that was made from a rib, was fashioned from it, not created from it.

We have explained how the universe was started, how galaxies, stars, solar system have (and are) forming.  We have found other planets in other solar systems.  We have started a project to ultimately send small nano spaceships to the closest star 4 light years away, we have detected gravitational waves, we have discovered and observed matter at the subatomic level, the list goes on... - When you look through the science fiction writer explanations of science over the last several hundred years, you will find all kinds of variation in explanations of the same things. Nothing has changed. Science law is fact. Science theory should be considered fiction until it is proven to be science law.

I think you are selectively cherry picking science like you are cherry picking your Bible. - Seems to me that you are the one who did the cherry picking in the Bible. You listed some Bible stuff. But you missed most of it.

I urge you to cherry pick science, eventually, you will understand that the Bible is a collection of Bronze Age nonsense. It is literary work.


If you categorize science law in one category, and science theory in another category, you will find that the science theory category is far larger. The theory category is the science fiction category, and most of the scientists know this.

At least the Bible is a collection of eye witness accounts. Often descriptions of things in the Bible defied the understandings of those who wrote them down. But they did their best to give us an accurate account of what they saw.


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You really believe Earth is less than 7000 years old?  and you are talking about science?  So dinosaurs did not exist?  Were fossil records faked?  Ice cores also faked?  Living trees with more rings than 9000 also fakes?
Pyramids were built after the flood, so Noah would have to fuck his wife, his daughters and granddaughters pretty much constantly, and he still would not be able to make enough people to build the pyramids.

You cannot be that stupid.  
Ask yourself. Where did you get all that knowledge that you have of the way things exist? Wasn't it from reading about it in books, online, or hearing about it in college? You didn't go out and do the work yourself, did you? Did you ever think that the people who told you all this knowledge you have, might have been mistaken? Maybe they were lying.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaZxc7tam4A

I'm sorry, I think you need to have your head examined.  FE and 6000-7000 year old Earth are the same types of nonsense.  Both are described in Bible.
Since you are willing to believe the interpretations of scientists, many of whom do not agree with each other, and some of whom have shown that your stuff is a complete lie, I have a bridge to sell you... real cheap.



How you can read the Bible and believe any of it, beats me.  You know FE is not true, but yet you believe the biblical account of FE.  How is it possible?
Why do you think that the Bible has an account of FE? Such a thing isn't in the Bible. In fact, there are places where the Bible indicates that the earth is a globe.



You just skip the parts of Bible (word of God) that were proven to be completely flat out false and continue to believe the rest of the nonsense.
There aren't any parts like this... nowhere in the whole Bible.



Was God wrong about FE when he asked his scribes to describe FE model in the Bible?

Or maybe, just maybe the people who wrote about FE in the Bible were wrong?  Proving yet again that people wrote Bible based on their imagination (no god was involved).


Again, flat earth isn't in the Bible. It is you who seems to think that it is for some reason. Are you starting to adopt the flat earth beliefs?

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April 14, 2017, 09:11:48 PM
I would like to advance the hypothesis that the earth is triangle. Working on proving this in the next 1 year.
legendary
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April 14, 2017, 08:18:33 PM
For the simple reason that, anybody, as a simple person, living in his/her simple life, would see exactly the same thing on either a flat earth or a globe earth. God was writing for simple people... people who at the time had no scientific knowledge. If God had explained earth to them in the scientific way, they wouldn't have understood. Nowadays we have been able to explain globe earth to ourselves in ways that we understand.

The point is, you and I can go out and look at the sky and the ground, right now, and see the same thing that would be seen on either a flat earth or a globe earth. That is the thing that God describes for people... not the thing that they would see if they understood science, nor the thing that they would see if they were a hundred-thousand miles off into space.

Cool

Oh, I think we did more than that.  We have essentially invalided all of the science in the Bible.   - Actually, you have invalidated your own thinking.

- The universe was not created in 6 days - But you know that what you say is not necessarily true, even from your own stand point. You were not one of the people who received the word directly from God. And you weren't there. So, you don't know.
- Earth does not have a dome above it - But it appears to, and essentially does if you look at the earth and sky with your simple sight.
- Earth is not 6000 years old - Not exactly. But a little older, well under 7,000-y-o.
- Global flood 4000 years ago did not happen - Closer to 4,500 years ago - http://www.albatrus.org/english/theology/creation/biblical_age_earth.htm.
- Genetic variation is not due to a massive incest starting with Adam and Eve, - True. - it is a result of evolution over millions of years - False, because probability math shows that there was no evolution, and the idea of millions of years is intentional falsity by scientists.
- we have evolved from other primates, and we were not created from dirt by some spirit (I do not even know what that means) - Again, probability math shows that evolution is solidly impossible, and irreducible complexity proves it. The fact that you do not even know what something you wrote means, shows that you don't know what you are talking about, by your own admission.
- women were not created from the rib bone - The one woman that was made from a rib, was fashioned from it, not created from it.

We have explained how the universe was started, how galaxies, stars, solar system have (and are) forming.  We have found other planets in other solar systems.  We have started a project to ultimately send small nano spaceships to the closest star 4 light years away, we have detected gravitational waves, we have discovered and observed matter at the subatomic level, the list goes on... - When you look through the science fiction writer explanations of science over the last several hundred years, you will find all kinds of variation in explanations of the same things. Nothing has changed. Science law is fact. Science theory should be considered fiction until it is proven to be science law.

I think you are selectively cherry picking science like you are cherry picking your Bible. - Seems to me that you are the one who did the cherry picking in the Bible. You listed some Bible stuff. But you missed most of it.

I urge you to cherry pick science, eventually, you will understand that the Bible is a collection of Bronze Age nonsense. It is literary work.


If you categorize science law in one category, and science theory in another category, you will find that the science theory category is far larger. The theory category is the science fiction category, and most of the scientists know this.

At least the Bible is a collection of eye witness accounts. Often descriptions of things in the Bible defied the understandings of those who wrote them down. But they did their best to give us an accurate account of what they saw.


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April 14, 2017, 08:02:20 PM
The Michaelson-Morley Experiment and Airy's Failure both failed to detect any motion of the Earth and both are peer reviewed. When taken with the peer reviewed Sagnac Experiment proving the existence of an aether you've got the peer reviewed scientific evidence the Earth is flat that you're looking for, that is of course unless you want argue in favor of a geocentric sphere HAHA HAHA. ...

Bonus:

Gleason's flat-earth map is patented.

We've done this dance notbatman.

Both the Michelson-Morley and Sagnac experiments didn't prove the presence of an aether but ironically (for you) the Sagnac effect can be used to prove that the Earth is rotating.

Fuck off, both M&M and Airy's Failure (keyword here is failure), prove the Earth is motionless. As for Sagnac's interferometer measurements at 10% of the predicted velocity of Earth's rotation and with a sidereal cycle they most certainly do not prove the Earth is rotating but that there's an aether drift.

So yes, we've done this dance before and you're still on the losing side of the argument, faggot.

Your ability to draw conclusions from data is right up there with your ability to will over people using your eloquent terms of endearment for others who don't share your point of view.

First you state that Michelson-Morley's and Airy's experiments prove that the Earth is motionless, then you go on that Sagnac's experiment proves that there's an aether drift. Your failure here is that if there is an aether drift then the Earth is moving through this aether and your two statements contradict each other.


[...snip...] I made a minor edit; M&M actually measured the aether drift (10% predicted velocity), I believe they used Sagnac's interferometer.[...snip...]


Again, if the experiment proves an aether drift then it proves the Earth is moving.

Lastly, Sagnac didn't perform his experiment until the early 1900s and yet you believe that Michelson and Morley used his version of interferometer back in 1887??? Lift your game son.
legendary
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April 14, 2017, 07:52:55 PM
For the simple reason that, anybody, as a simple person, living in his/her simple life, would see exactly the same thing on either a flat earth or a globe earth. God was writing for simple people... people who at the time had no scientific knowledge. If God had explained earth to them in the scientific way, they wouldn't have understood. Nowadays we have been able to explain globe earth to ourselves in ways that we understand.

The point is, you and I can go out and look at the sky and the ground, right now, and see the same thing that would be seen on either a flat earth or a globe earth. That is the thing that God describes for people... not the thing that they would see if they understood science, nor the thing that they would see if they were a hundred-thousand miles off into space.

Cool
So that's your answer 'god lied to us'
You make me sick you intolerable rat weasel bastard.!

No, God didn't lie. How do we know He didn't lie? Because He didn't leave us in a prison of ignorance. Rather, He gave us enough freedom so that we could find the rest of the truth any time we wanted. This is the thing that we have found starting thousands of years ago... that the earth is a globe.

Imagine that you wanted to explain Quantum Physics to a 5-year-old. Would you throw a bunch of high math on a blackboard and say to the kid (who can't even read, yet), "Pretty clear, kid, right?"

God explained what we were seeing in the way we would understand. But he left the ways open for us to find out more when the time would come that we would be able to understand.

Since your language in your post shows intent to defame me, and maybe God at the same time, you SHOULD be sick. But it is you making yourself sick by your wicked attitude.

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April 14, 2017, 05:17:29 PM


Don't be a retarded and racist Brokeback hermaphrodite.

RESEARCH FLAT EARTH
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=%22flat+earth%22


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April 14, 2017, 05:09:32 PM
^ Thanks for quoting however, I made a minor edit; M&M actually measured the aether drift (10% predicted velocity), I believe they used Sagnac's interferometer.

Also stop with the Relativity bullshit, big E was a kike and his theory literally saved the world i.e. the M&M Experiment had proven the Earth motionless and Relativity saved the globe by explaining away the empirical results with an absurd ass backwards theory of waves in nothing.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/wBzqOa9y02I/hqdefault.jpg

Until you start to realize that the earth is a globe, and...
... the aether is a solid with ...
... a bunch of parallel universes occupying it...
... all out of phase with each other...
... thereby creating the appearance of space...

... you are going to keep on missing some of the greatest aspects of the aether.

Cool

There's a difference between you and me that is that I understand the quaternion based vector calculus that Maxwell devised to explain electromagnetism. You're just full of it dude, you have no clue what the aether is.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5d/3b/99/5d3b99ad88627616ae389fb1415ce66e.jpg

Good. Then you know that Maxwell's work is just theory. Isn't it about time that you admit that flat earth has not even been recognized as theory? Why? Because there is proof that the earth is a globe. Go ahead and understand the theory. But if you understand it the same way you understand flat earth, all you are doing is understanding science fiction.

Cool

BADecker,  but Bible says Earth is flat.

FE model matches exactly what is described in the Bible.  Firmament, waters above and below, when Jesus will come back EVERYONE on Earth will see him,  heavens will open and he will kinda drop on the elevator, there was a piece about the tallest tree where you can see all the world to the edges (Antarctica on the flat model I assume).

So how can you believe in the Bible but not believe in the FE model?  Just curious.

FE model matches perfectly the Bronze Age model described in the Bible. 

For the simple reason that, anybody, as a simple person, living in his/her simple life, would see exactly the same thing on either a flat earth or a globe earth. God was writing for simple people... people who at the time had no scientific knowledge. If God had explained earth to them in the scientific way, they wouldn't have understood. Nowadays we have been able to explain globe earth to ourselves in ways that we understand.

The point is, you and I can go out and look at the sky and the ground, right now, and see the same thing that would be seen on either a flat earth or a globe earth. That is the thing that God describes for people... not the thing that they would see if they understood science, nor the thing that they would see if they were a hundred-thousand miles off into space.

Cool
So that's your answer 'god lied to us'
You make me sick you intolerable rat weasel bastard.!
legendary
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April 14, 2017, 04:59:03 PM
^ Thanks for quoting however, I made a minor edit; M&M actually measured the aether drift (10% predicted velocity), I believe they used Sagnac's interferometer.

Also stop with the Relativity bullshit, big E was a kike and his theory literally saved the world i.e. the M&M Experiment had proven the Earth motionless and Relativity saved the globe by explaining away the empirical results with an absurd ass backwards theory of waves in nothing.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/wBzqOa9y02I/hqdefault.jpg

Until you start to realize that the earth is a globe, and...
... the aether is a solid with ...
... a bunch of parallel universes occupying it...
... all out of phase with each other...
... thereby creating the appearance of space...

... you are going to keep on missing some of the greatest aspects of the aether.

Cool

There's a difference between you and me that is that I understand the quaternion based vector calculus that Maxwell devised to explain electromagnetism. You're just full of it dude, you have no clue what the aether is.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5d/3b/99/5d3b99ad88627616ae389fb1415ce66e.jpg

Good. Then you know that Maxwell's work is just theory. Isn't it about time that you admit that flat earth has not even been recognized as theory? Why? Because there is proof that the earth is a globe. Go ahead and understand the theory. But if you understand it the same way you understand flat earth, all you are doing is understanding science fiction.

Cool

BADecker,  but Bible says Earth is flat.

FE model matches exactly what is described in the Bible.  Firmament, waters above and below, when Jesus will come back EVERYONE on Earth will see him,  heavens will open and he will kinda drop on the elevator, there was a piece about the tallest tree where you can see all the world to the edges (Antarctica on the flat model I assume).

So how can you believe in the Bible but not believe in the FE model?  Just curious.

FE model matches perfectly the Bronze Age model described in the Bible. 

For the simple reason that, anybody, as a simple person, living in his/her simple life, would see exactly the same thing on either a flat earth or a globe earth. God was writing for simple people... people who at the time had no scientific knowledge. If God had explained earth to them in the scientific way, they wouldn't have understood. Nowadays we have been able to explain globe earth to ourselves in ways that we understand.

The point is, you and I can go out and look at the sky and the ground, right now, and see the same thing that would be seen on either a flat earth or a globe earth. That is the thing that God describes for people... not the thing that they would see if they understood science, nor the thing that they would see if they were a hundred-thousand miles off into space.

Cool
legendary
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April 14, 2017, 04:00:47 PM
^ Thanks for quoting however, I made a minor edit; M&M actually measured the aether drift (10% predicted velocity), I believe they used Sagnac's interferometer.

Also stop with the Relativity bullshit, big E was a kike and his theory literally saved the world i.e. the M&M Experiment had proven the Earth motionless and Relativity saved the globe by explaining away the empirical results with an absurd ass backwards theory of waves in nothing.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/wBzqOa9y02I/hqdefault.jpg

Until you start to realize that the earth is a globe, and...
... the aether is a solid with ...
... a bunch of parallel universes occupying it...
... all out of phase with each other...
... thereby creating the appearance of space...

... you are going to keep on missing some of the greatest aspects of the aether.

Cool

There's a difference between you and me that is that I understand the quaternion based vector calculus that Maxwell devised to explain electromagnetism. You're just full of it dude, you have no clue what the aether is.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5d/3b/99/5d3b99ad88627616ae389fb1415ce66e.jpg

Good. Then you know that Maxwell's work is just theory. Isn't it about time that you admit that flat earth has not even been recognized as theory? Why? Because there is proof that the earth is a globe. Go ahead and understand the theory. But if you understand it the same way you understand flat earth, all you are doing is understanding science fiction.

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April 14, 2017, 12:00:48 PM
Flat Earth may be you have in mind that

 Huh Roll Eyes Cheesy Grin

No we're not a disc floating in space, think snow globe. Oh wait....
legendary
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April 14, 2017, 11:59:08 AM
^ Thanks for quoting however, I made a minor edit; M&M actually measured the aether drift (10% predicted velocity), I believe they used Sagnac's interferometer.

Also stop with the Relativity bullshit, big E was a kike and his theory literally saved the world i.e. the M&M Experiment had proven the Earth motionless and Relativity saved the globe by explaining away the empirical results with an absurd ass backwards theory of waves in nothing.



Until you start to realize that the earth is a globe, and...
... the aether is a solid with ...
... a bunch of parallel universes occupying it...
... all out of phase with each other...
... thereby creating the appearance of space...

... you are going to keep on missing some of the greatest aspects of the aether.

Cool

There's a difference between you and me that is that I understand the quaternion based vector calculus that Maxwell devised to explain electromagnetism. You're just full of it dude, you have no clue what the aether is.

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April 14, 2017, 11:51:56 AM
Flat Earth may be you have in mind that

 Huh Roll Eyes Cheesy Grin
legendary
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April 14, 2017, 10:50:36 AM
^ Thanks for quoting however, I made a minor edit; M&M actually measured the aether drift (10% predicted velocity), I believe they used Sagnac's interferometer.

Also stop with the Relativity bullshit, big E was a kike and his theory literally saved the world i.e. The M&M Experiment had proven the Earth motionless and Relativity saved the globe by explaining away the empirical results with an absurd ass backwards theory of waves in nothing.



Until you start to realize that the earth is a globe, and...
... the aether is a solid with ...
... a bunch of parallel universes occupying it...
... all out of phase with each other...
... thereby creating the appearance of space...

... you are going to keep on missing some of the greatest aspects of the aether.

Cool
legendary
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April 14, 2017, 10:26:12 AM
^ Thanks for quoting however, I made a minor edit; M&M actually measured the aether drift (10% predicted velocity), I believe they used Sagnac's interferometer.

Also stop with the Relativity bullshit, big E was a kike and his theory literally saved the world i.e. the M&M Experiment had proven the Earth motionless and Relativity saved the globe by explaining away the empirical results with an absurd ass backwards theory of waves in nothing.

legendary
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April 14, 2017, 09:51:54 AM
The Michaelson-Morley Experiment and Airy's Failure both failed to detect any motion of the Earth and both are peer reviewed. When taken with the peer reviewed Sagnac Experiment proving the existence of an aether you've got the peer reviewed scientific evidence the Earth is flat that you're looking for, that is of course unless you want argue in favor of a geocentric sphere HAHA HAHA. ...

Bonus:

Gleason's flat-earth map is patented.

We've done this dance notbatman.

Both the Michelson-Morley and Sagnac experiments didn't prove the presence of an aether but ironically (for you) the Sagnac effect can be used to prove that the Earth is rotating.

Fuck off, both M&M and Airy's Failure (keyword here is failure), proves the Earth is motionless. As for Sagnac, at 10% of the predicted velocity of Earth's rotation and with a sidereal cycle it most certainly does not prove the Earth is rotating but that there's an aether drift.

So yes, we've done this dance before and you're still on the losing side of the argument, faggot.


Oh, that's right! I forgot in my previous post that you are a funny farm fantasizing fanatic. Amidst all that logical fantasizing, you seem to be in the expletive, foul language direction, as well. Perhaps not perverted as noWman13666, but in that general direction. Sorry about offering a more or less, logical post previously.

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April 14, 2017, 09:10:09 AM
The Michaelson-Morley Experiment and Airy's Failure both failed to detect any motion of the Earth and both are peer reviewed. When taken with the peer reviewed Sagnac Experiment proving the existence of an aether you've got the peer reviewed scientific evidence the Earth is flat that you're looking for, that is of course unless you want argue in favor of a geocentric sphere HAHA HAHA. ...

Bonus:

Gleason's flat-earth map is patented.

We've done this dance notbatman.

Both the Michelson-Morley and Sagnac experiments didn't prove the presence of an aether but ironically (for you) the Sagnac effect can be used to prove that the Earth is rotating.

Fuck off, both M&M and Airy's Failure (keyword here is failure), prove the Earth is motionless. As for Sagnac's interferometer measurements at 10% of the predicted velocity of Earth's rotation and with a sidereal cycle they most certainly do not prove the Earth is rotating but that there's an aether drift.

So yes, we've done this dance before and you're still on the losing side of the argument, faggot.
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April 14, 2017, 08:35:58 AM
The Michaelson-Morley Experiment and Airy's Failure both failed to detect any motion of the Earth and both are peer reviewed. When taken with the peer reviewed Sagnac Experiment proving the existence of an aether you've got the peer reviewed scientific evidence the Earth is flat that you're looking for, that is of course unless you want argue in favor of a geocentric sphere HAHA HAHA. ...

Bonus:

Gleason's flat-earth map is patented.

We've done this dance notbatman.

Both the Michelson-Morley and Sagnac experiments didn't prove the presence of an aether but ironically (for you) the Sagnac effect can be used to prove that the Earth is rotating.
legendary
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April 14, 2017, 07:48:26 AM
The Michaelson-Morley Experiment and Airy's Failure both failed to detect any motion of the Earth and both are peer reviewed. When taken with the peer reviewed Sagnac Experiment proving the existence of an aether you've got the peer reviewed scientific evidence the Earth is flat that you're looking for, that is of course unless you want argue in favor of a geocentric sphere HAHA HAHA. ...

Bonus:

Gleason's flat-earth map is patented.

However, these things don't prove the earth is flat. Why not? There are many other things that show that the earth is nearly spherical.

At best, these experiments you list, show that some of the scientific theories we have about the way the universe works are inconclusive. The theory of the electric universe - http://www.thunderbolts.info/ - is bringing clarity to a lot of standard cosmology.

I believe the ultimate result will be the reconciliation of the ideas you talk about, with the fact of a globe earth, and a generally spherical universe.

I, also, believe that science will never get a true picture of physics. Why do I believe this? There are too many things that we don't know about the dimensions. The fact that electromagnetics is a rather easy form of energy for us to "play with," and that it took thousands of years for us to get a handle on it so that we can use it the way that we do, shows that we are simply not aware of, possibly, many other forms of "energy" that could be substantially greater than electromagnetics.

Rather than promoting flat earth, you should be throwing your energy at disproving cosmological theory that doesn't match the facts of the way things work. For example, the Theory of Relativity has been around for a long time. Although it has been proven to work in some ways, there are other ways that it doesn't seem to hold true. This is why it has not been elevated to science fact.

You could use your studies to tweak relativity theory so that a "right" relativity theory could come into existence, rather than trying to prove the existence of something that clearly doesn't exist.

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April 14, 2017, 06:14:06 AM
The Michaelson-Morley Experiment and Airy's Failure both failed to detect any motion of the Earth and both are peer reviewed. When taken with the peer reviewed Sagnac Experiment proving the existence of an aether you've got the peer reviewed scientific evidence the Earth is flat that you're looking for, that is of course unless you want argue in favor of a geocentric sphere HAHA HAHA. ...

Bonus:

Gleason's flat-earth map is patented.
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