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From http://www.plasmacosmology.net/history.html:
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A Brief History of Plasma I
Kristian Birkeland (1867-1917), Norway
Birkeland was amongst the first to speculate that the Northern Lights were charged particles ejected from the Sun, captured by the Earth's magnetic field, and directed towards the polar atmosphere. To prove this theory, Birkeland performed his famous 'Terella' experiment, where he artificially created the aurora in the laboratory. His theories were initially laughed at, and it is only now in the space age that measurements from satellites are proving Birkeland correct.
Significantly, his approach to science was broad, comprising observation and laboratory experimentation in addition to mathematical modelling. He was not content with a merely theoretical approach, despite having trained as a mathematician.
He is probably Norway's greatest ever scientist, and many of his works are still used as reference materials. The electric currents that flow from space are named after him -- Birkeland currents. He is recognised for bringing Plasma and Electromagnetism into Cosmology, but while many of his ideas are widely accepted, his cosmological theories are less well known. He died aged 49 just when a working committee was in the process of nominating him for the Nobel Prize in Physics.
Sydney Chapman (1888-1970) was regarded as a leader in the field of interplanetary magnetospheric physics for a while after the death of Birkeland. He took an approach very similar to that of Big Bangers, relying heavily on mathematical models, and refused to even discuss many of Birkeland's ideas. According to his models, currents were confined to a sphere that extended little beyond the Earth. He failed to recognise the complex three dimensional relationship between the Earth's magnetosphere and the currents flowing from the Sun. He proposed, in contradistinction to Birkeland's ideas, that currents were restricted to the ionosphere, and that the Earth moved through a vacuum. He was wrong.
Irving Langmuir (1881-1957), USA
Langmuir (1881-1957) was the first to use the term 'Plasma' in 1927, borrowing it from Blood Plasma to describe the almost life-like and self-organising behaviours of a plasma when in the presence of electrical currents and magnetic fields.
He discovered Plasma Sheathes, now called Double Layers, having observed the electrons and ions of a plasma separating during experimentation. DLs are one of the most important features of plasma behaviour.
He also defined and explained the term 'valence' as part of his description of the atom. Few textbooks, however, recognise the influence that Langmuir had on the development of our understanding of the nature of the atom.
He became the first 'non-academic' chemist to receive the Nobel Prize, an accomplishment he realised in 1932. Langmuir probes, which can be used in space, are named after him.
Hannes Alfven (1908-1995) - The Father of modern Plasma Physics, Sweden
Alfven (1908-1995) is generally regarded as the Father of modern Plasma Physics. He continued the work of Birkeland, feeling very much in spirit with him, and eventually won a Nobel Laureate for his ground-breaking contributions. He was not always highly regarded by the scientific establishment because of his controversial ideas, however, and suffered no little condescension and ridicule in his lifetime.
In fact it now seems bizarre that he wasn't awarded the Nobel Prize until 1970, especially considering his many fundamental accomplishments. For some time he was forced to publish in journals that did not enjoy international readership. His ideas finally became known to the general scientific community through his ground-breaking book, Cosmical Electrodynamics, published by Oxford University Press in 1950.
Alfven took a practical and intuitive approach to science, insisting that theories of cosmological phenomena must agree with laboratory experiments. (The definition of 'laboratory' being broadened to include experiments in space.) Having started out as an engineer, his methods were in direct opposition to the approach generally favoured by Big Bangers, that of starting-out from idealised mathematical principles.
In 1937 Alfven proposed that our galaxy contained a large-scale magnetic field and that charged particles moved in spiral orbits within it, owing to forces exerted by the field. Plasma carried the electrical currents which create the magnetic field.
While many of Alfven's theories are now well known, like those of Birkeland, the cosmological implications of his work also remain to be fully recognised. Ironically, some have put this down to the very simplicity of many of these ideas.
David Bohm (1917-1992), USA
Bohm was the plasma theoretician and cosmologist who discovered the instabilities and resistivity of magnetized plasmas that now bear his name.
There are many others who probably should be mentioned, but this web site aims only to serve as an introduction to the emerging paradigm.
Today, a growing body of scientists, engineers, and independent researchers are continuing the work of these pioneers. They have taken up the gauntlet in defiance of some of the more entrenched thinking that still permeates the mainstream. See the links page for further details.
Summation
Both Hannes Alfven and Irving Langmuir won Nobel Laureates for their work, and Kristian Birkeland probably would have done had he lived long enough. It seems unfortunate, therefore, that their work in cosmology, and the implications of their work in this field, remain largely unrecognised. Alfven's criticism of the Big Bang, it has to be said, certainly rankled with some of the powers that be.
Kristian Birkeland (1867-1917), Norway
Birkeland was amongst the first to speculate that the Northern Lights were charged particles ejected from the Sun, captured by the Earth's magnetic field, and directed towards the polar atmosphere. To prove this theory, Birkeland performed his famous 'Terella' experiment, where he artificially created the aurora in the laboratory. His theories were initially laughed at, and it is only now in the space age that measurements from satellites are proving Birkeland correct.
Significantly, his approach to science was broad, comprising observation and laboratory experimentation in addition to mathematical modelling. He was not content with a merely theoretical approach, despite having trained as a mathematician.
He is probably Norway's greatest ever scientist, and many of his works are still used as reference materials. The electric currents that flow from space are named after him -- Birkeland currents. He is recognised for bringing Plasma and Electromagnetism into Cosmology, but while many of his ideas are widely accepted, his cosmological theories are less well known. He died aged 49 just when a working committee was in the process of nominating him for the Nobel Prize in Physics.
Sydney Chapman (1888-1970) was regarded as a leader in the field of interplanetary magnetospheric physics for a while after the death of Birkeland. He took an approach very similar to that of Big Bangers, relying heavily on mathematical models, and refused to even discuss many of Birkeland's ideas. According to his models, currents were confined to a sphere that extended little beyond the Earth. He failed to recognise the complex three dimensional relationship between the Earth's magnetosphere and the currents flowing from the Sun. He proposed, in contradistinction to Birkeland's ideas, that currents were restricted to the ionosphere, and that the Earth moved through a vacuum. He was wrong.
Irving Langmuir (1881-1957), USA
Langmuir (1881-1957) was the first to use the term 'Plasma' in 1927, borrowing it from Blood Plasma to describe the almost life-like and self-organising behaviours of a plasma when in the presence of electrical currents and magnetic fields.
He discovered Plasma Sheathes, now called Double Layers, having observed the electrons and ions of a plasma separating during experimentation. DLs are one of the most important features of plasma behaviour.
He also defined and explained the term 'valence' as part of his description of the atom. Few textbooks, however, recognise the influence that Langmuir had on the development of our understanding of the nature of the atom.
He became the first 'non-academic' chemist to receive the Nobel Prize, an accomplishment he realised in 1932. Langmuir probes, which can be used in space, are named after him.
Hannes Alfven (1908-1995) - The Father of modern Plasma Physics, Sweden
Alfven (1908-1995) is generally regarded as the Father of modern Plasma Physics. He continued the work of Birkeland, feeling very much in spirit with him, and eventually won a Nobel Laureate for his ground-breaking contributions. He was not always highly regarded by the scientific establishment because of his controversial ideas, however, and suffered no little condescension and ridicule in his lifetime.
In fact it now seems bizarre that he wasn't awarded the Nobel Prize until 1970, especially considering his many fundamental accomplishments. For some time he was forced to publish in journals that did not enjoy international readership. His ideas finally became known to the general scientific community through his ground-breaking book, Cosmical Electrodynamics, published by Oxford University Press in 1950.
Alfven took a practical and intuitive approach to science, insisting that theories of cosmological phenomena must agree with laboratory experiments. (The definition of 'laboratory' being broadened to include experiments in space.) Having started out as an engineer, his methods were in direct opposition to the approach generally favoured by Big Bangers, that of starting-out from idealised mathematical principles.
In 1937 Alfven proposed that our galaxy contained a large-scale magnetic field and that charged particles moved in spiral orbits within it, owing to forces exerted by the field. Plasma carried the electrical currents which create the magnetic field.
While many of Alfven's theories are now well known, like those of Birkeland, the cosmological implications of his work also remain to be fully recognised. Ironically, some have put this down to the very simplicity of many of these ideas.
David Bohm (1917-1992), USA
Bohm was the plasma theoretician and cosmologist who discovered the instabilities and resistivity of magnetized plasmas that now bear his name.
There are many others who probably should be mentioned, but this web site aims only to serve as an introduction to the emerging paradigm.
Today, a growing body of scientists, engineers, and independent researchers are continuing the work of these pioneers. They have taken up the gauntlet in defiance of some of the more entrenched thinking that still permeates the mainstream. See the links page for further details.
Summation
Both Hannes Alfven and Irving Langmuir won Nobel Laureates for their work, and Kristian Birkeland probably would have done had he lived long enough. It seems unfortunate, therefore, that their work in cosmology, and the implications of their work in this field, remain largely unrecognised. Alfven's criticism of the Big Bang, it has to be said, certainly rankled with some of the powers that be.
what century is this? my time machine must have worked if this is a topic for discussion 
what century is this? my time machine must have worked if this is a topic for discussion
I was reading some article yesterday about this theme and honestly, I was very surprised!
The whole thing that the Earth is flat is really illogical for me because, then how we can explain the phenomena about how the planets circling around the sun, or the Sun and the Moon circling around our planet and we have day and night like natural phenomena?
Maybe this thing can be true, but if you try to imagine the Earth like a disc. She will be still round, but instead we looking at her like ball, this time it will be a flat disc who is circling in our solar system.
I am not saying that this can not be true, but I wan to say... Try to imagine the world like coin and you will see that this will be possible!
The whole thing that the Earth is flat is really illogical for me because, then how we can explain the phenomena about how the planets circling around the sun, or the Sun and the Moon circling around our planet and we have day and night like natural phenomena?
Maybe this thing can be true, but if you try to imagine the Earth like a disc. She will be still round, but instead we looking at her like ball, this time it will be a flat disc who is circling in our solar system.
I am not saying that this can not be true, but I wan to say... Try to imagine the world like coin and you will see that this will be possible!
There would be no such thing as a solar system. The stars just rotate in the sky above us. You would pretty much have to scrap everything you know about science and the sky and gravity and start over.
I was reading some article yesterday about this theme and honestly, I was very surprised!
The whole thing that the Earth is flat is really illogical for me because, then how we can explain the phenomena about how the planets circling around the sun, or the Sun and the Moon circling around our planet and we have day and night like natural phenomena?
Maybe this thing can be true, but if you try to imagine the Earth like a disc. She will be still round, but instead we looking at her like ball, this time it will be a flat disc who is circling in our solar system.
I am not saying that this can not be true, but I wan to say... Try to imagine the world like coin and you will see that this will be possible!
The whole thing that the Earth is flat is really illogical for me because, then how we can explain the phenomena about how the planets circling around the sun, or the Sun and the Moon circling around our planet and we have day and night like natural phenomena?
Maybe this thing can be true, but if you try to imagine the Earth like a disc. She will be still round, but instead we looking at her like ball, this time it will be a flat disc who is circling in our solar system.
I am not saying that this can not be true, but I wan to say... Try to imagine the world like coin and you will see that this will be possible!
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You must all be the true geniuses on this planet. Nobody else know what they're talking about. Not scientists, not astronomers, not mathematicians, not Einstein, and certainly not I.
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You must all be the true geniuses on this planet. Nobody else know what they're talking about. Not scientists, not astronomers, not mathematicians, not Einstein, and certainly not I.
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I'm not calling these groups idiots, fools and retards I'm calling them liars and shills, at least the top brass.
Stop for a minute and think about whether that really makes any sense at all.
There's rampant fraud in science with the wealthiest 1% using it to baffle the masses with bullshit.
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You must all be the true geniuses on this planet. Nobody else know what they're talking about. Not scientists, not astronomers, not mathematicians, not Einstein, and certainly not I.
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You must all be the true geniuses on this planet. Nobody else know what they're talking about. Not scientists, not astronomers, not mathematicians, not Einstein, and certainly not I.
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I'm not calling these groups idiots, fools and retards I'm calling them liars and shills, at least the top brass.
Stop for a minute and think about whether that really makes any sense at all.
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You must all be the true geniuses on this planet. Nobody else know what they're talking about. Not scientists, not astronomers, not mathematicians, not Einstein, and certainly not I.
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You must all be the true geniuses on this planet. Nobody else know what they're talking about. Not scientists, not astronomers, not mathematicians, not Einstein, and certainly not I.
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I'm not calling these groups idiots, fools and retards I'm calling them liars and shills, at least the top brass.
Earth is a sphere, its obvious since it rotates, revolves around the sun and the moon around the earth and the planets around the sun.. All these things can be observed with a telescope.
Stating that the earth is flat in 2015 is just a joke. Like this thread. Funny stuff here .. that's about it.
Stating that the earth is flat in 2015 is just a joke. Like this thread. Funny stuff here .. that's about it.
So the Earth rotates and revolves around the Sun does it?
Consider this, according to spinning globe theory the Earth rotates on its axis 360° every 24 hours and makes one revolution around the Sun every 365 days. If we start counting days at midnight after 180 days the Sun would be high in the sky at midnight.
As for a telescope you can see terrestrial objects (atmospheric conditions permitting) so far away they should be under miles of curvature and not visible according to spinning globe theory.
Note you mention "atmospheric conditions permitting," such as atmospheric refraction, which is exactly why you do see things that would otherwise be blocked by Earth's curvature. This is why you see the Chicago skyline from 60 miles away (due to refraction) but can't see the ground, the streets, single-story buildings, etc. from 60 miles away (because they are blocked by the curvature).
I debunked your atmospheric refraction argument a few posts back, not definitively but debunked none-the-less. There are better examples than Chicago @ 60 miles that would have you trying to explain away miles and miles not just a few hundred feet.
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Oh, by the way, the Earth rotates 360 degrees every 23 hours, 56 minutes, and 4 seconds. Rounding to 4 minutes difference, over 180 days the difference becomes...wait for it...12 hours (i.e. 4 x 180 / 60 = 12hrs). Why else do you think the sun rises/sets at different times each day?
"A mean sidereal day is 23 hours, 56 minutes"
"Briefly, sidereal time is a 'time scale that is based on the Earth's rate of rotation measured relative to the fixed stars' rather than the Sun."
"Another way to see this difference is to notice that, relative to the stars, the Sun appears to move around the Earth once per year. Therefore, there is one fewer solar day per year than there are sidereal days. This makes a sidereal day approximately 365.24⁄366.24 times the length of the 24-hour solar day, giving approximately 23 hours, 56 minutes, 4.1 seconds (86,164.1 seconds)."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidereal_time
The Sun doesn't just appear to move around the Earth every 24 hours, it actually does! The stars also rotate above our heads; once every 23 hours, 56 minutes.
1) You didn't debunk anything. Your math was atrocious. Atmospheric refraction explains all other similar observations (islands, ships, you name it).
Edit: Tip: to debunk something, you need to prove it wrong, not just say something you think is correct. This means showing an error in my calculations or method of calculating. You didn't even use the same method to show me why I'm wrong.
2) Yeah, you keep telling yourself that. Go believe at face value what a bunch of ill-informed, uneducated, youtube bloggers have to say. It must be so nice and comforting that the lot of you have stumbled upon a truth that billions of others have failed to realize. You must all be the true geniuses on this planet. Nobody else know what they're talking about. Not scientists, not astronomers, not mathematicians, not Einstein, and certainly not I.
...but youtube bloggers...and some musicians, apparently...
This (Flat Earth) wouldn't be an official movement without music. There are hundreds of songs and videos, here are a few:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSU39Jt9cfA
"FLAT RAP by PAYDAY MONSANTO"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M-BzQ_76D0
"The Earth Is Flat (Flat Earth Song)"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aVFYjy1wWM
"Thomas Dolby Live - "The Flat Earth" @ Largo, 2012" -- CELEBRITY FLAT EARTHER!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcBxvIF-f_0
"Brainstorm - Flat Earth [Official Music Video]"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APrF0NJphhs
"Nas-Patience ft. Damian Marley (lyrics on screen)"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toTrcpW0E-c
"The World is Flat | I've Calculated it Myself"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYAcT3pgyA0
"Eskobar - Flat Earth"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNBT7NodggY
"Jeni and Billy Sing The World is Flat" -- WARNING COUNRTY MUSIC!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTrP75F09o8
"Counting Stars - Flat Earth Society"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faxi7UG7llo
"Flat Earth: Sphere Buster's Song - All You Need Is ONE!"
Bonus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfwkD_OEwOY
"Flat Earth Truth in Music" -- 11 min exposé
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSU39Jt9cfA
"FLAT RAP by PAYDAY MONSANTO"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M-BzQ_76D0
"The Earth Is Flat (Flat Earth Song)"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aVFYjy1wWM
"Thomas Dolby Live - "The Flat Earth" @ Largo, 2012" -- CELEBRITY FLAT EARTHER!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcBxvIF-f_0
"Brainstorm - Flat Earth [Official Music Video]"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APrF0NJphhs
"Nas-Patience ft. Damian Marley (lyrics on screen)"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toTrcpW0E-c
"The World is Flat | I've Calculated it Myself"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYAcT3pgyA0
"Eskobar - Flat Earth"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNBT7NodggY
"Jeni and Billy Sing The World is Flat" -- WARNING COUNRTY MUSIC!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTrP75F09o8
"Counting Stars - Flat Earth Society"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faxi7UG7llo
"Flat Earth: Sphere Buster's Song - All You Need Is ONE!"
Bonus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfwkD_OEwOY
"Flat Earth Truth in Music" -- 11 min exposé
B. o. B. put out a new mixtape, the whole album is called WATER - We Are The Enemy Really
He calls out NASA in Uncomfortable
In Purple Mountain PSA, he says he outgrew the fishbowl, in an obvious reference to Operation Fishbowl.
Earth is a sphere, its obvious since it rotates, revolves around the sun and the moon around the earth and the planets around the sun.. All these things can be observed with a telescope.
Stating that the earth is flat in 2015 is just a joke. Like this thread. Funny stuff here .. that's about it.
Stating that the earth is flat in 2015 is just a joke. Like this thread. Funny stuff here .. that's about it.
So the Earth rotates and revolves around the Sun does it?
Consider this, according to spinning globe theory the Earth rotates on its axis 360° every 24 hours and makes one revolution around the Sun every 365 days. If we start counting days at midnight after 180 days the Sun would be high in the sky at midnight.
As for a telescope you can see terrestrial objects (atmospheric conditions permitting) so far away they should be under miles of curvature and not visible according to spinning globe theory.
Note you mention "atmospheric conditions permitting," such as atmospheric refraction, which is exactly why you do see things that would otherwise be blocked by Earth's curvature. This is why you see the Chicago skyline from 60 miles away (due to refraction) but can't see the ground, the streets, single-story buildings, etc. from 60 miles away (because they are blocked by the curvature).
I debunked your atmospheric refraction argument a few posts back, not definitively but debunked none-the-less. There are better examples than Chicago @ 60 miles that would have you trying to explain away miles and miles not just a few hundred feet.
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Oh, by the way, the Earth rotates 360 degrees every 23 hours, 56 minutes, and 4 seconds. Rounding to 4 minutes difference, over 180 days the difference becomes...wait for it...12 hours (i.e. 4 x 180 / 60 = 12hrs). Why else do you think the sun rises/sets at different times each day?
"A mean sidereal day is 23 hours, 56 minutes"
"Briefly, sidereal time is a 'time scale that is based on the Earth's rate of rotation measured relative to the fixed stars' rather than the Sun."
"Another way to see this difference is to notice that, relative to the stars, the Sun appears to move around the Earth once per year. Therefore, there is one fewer solar day per year than there are sidereal days. This makes a sidereal day approximately 365.24⁄366.24 times the length of the 24-hour solar day, giving approximately 23 hours, 56 minutes, 4.1 seconds (86,164.1 seconds)."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidereal_time
The Sun doesn't just appear to move around the Earth every 24 hours, it actually does! The stars also rotate above our heads; once every 23 hours, 56 minutes.
This (Flat Earth) wouldn't be an official movement without music. There are hundreds of songs and videos, here are a few:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSU39Jt9cfA
"FLAT RAP by PAYDAY MONSANTO"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M-BzQ_76D0
"The Earth Is Flat (Flat Earth Song)"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aVFYjy1wWM
"Thomas Dolby Live - "The Flat Earth" @ Largo, 2012" -- CELEBRITY FLAT EARTHER!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcBxvIF-f_0
"Brainstorm - Flat Earth [Official Music Video]"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APrF0NJphhs
"Nas-Patience ft. Damian Marley (lyrics on screen)"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toTrcpW0E-c
"The World is Flat | I've Calculated it Myself"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYAcT3pgyA0
"Eskobar - Flat Earth"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNBT7NodggY
"Jeni and Billy Sing The World is Flat" -- WARNING COUNRTY MUSIC!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTrP75F09o8
"Counting Stars - Flat Earth Society"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faxi7UG7llo
"Flat Earth: Sphere Buster's Song - All You Need Is ONE!"
Bonus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfwkD_OEwOY
"Flat Earth Truth in Music" -- 11 min exposé
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSU39Jt9cfA
"FLAT RAP by PAYDAY MONSANTO"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M-BzQ_76D0
"The Earth Is Flat (Flat Earth Song)"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aVFYjy1wWM
"Thomas Dolby Live - "The Flat Earth" @ Largo, 2012" -- CELEBRITY FLAT EARTHER!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcBxvIF-f_0
"Brainstorm - Flat Earth [Official Music Video]"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APrF0NJphhs
"Nas-Patience ft. Damian Marley (lyrics on screen)"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toTrcpW0E-c
"The World is Flat | I've Calculated it Myself"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYAcT3pgyA0
"Eskobar - Flat Earth"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNBT7NodggY
"Jeni and Billy Sing The World is Flat" -- WARNING COUNRTY MUSIC!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTrP75F09o8
"Counting Stars - Flat Earth Society"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faxi7UG7llo
"Flat Earth: Sphere Buster's Song - All You Need Is ONE!"
Bonus:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfwkD_OEwOY
"Flat Earth Truth in Music" -- 11 min exposé
At what altitude can you notice the curvature of the Earth? Skeptics should take a high altitude oceanic flight because I'm pretty sure they could see for themselves at 20,000+ ft.
The horizon is flat and rises to eye level no matter what altitude you're at. Also keep in mind the windows of airplanes are curved and distort the image you see.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnzUgKZ8m2k
"Amazing flight of a balloon to the edge of space"
You should have added a picture:
Also, they felt the need to change cameras to make the earth seem more round in this video, I personally think they went a bit too far...These pics are from the same video, seen here.
Why the hell would someone put the caption "33km and the Earth is flat" on a picture with a curved horizon? Look at that photo...the horizon is curved. It's plain as day.
You post three photos, two of which show curvature (one with a fisheye lens), and one with a field of view so narrow that it's laughable. "Hey, the horizon looks flat based upon my 10-degree field of view!" L. O. L.
Earth is a sphere, its obvious since it rotates, revolves around the sun and the moon around the earth and the planets around the sun.. All these things can be observed with a telescope.
Stating that the earth is flat in 2015 is just a joke. Like this thread. Funny stuff here .. that's about it.
Stating that the earth is flat in 2015 is just a joke. Like this thread. Funny stuff here .. that's about it.
So the Earth rotates and revolves around the Sun does it?
Consider this, according to spinning globe theory the Earth rotates on its axis 360° every 24 hours and makes one revolution around the Sun every 365 days. If we start counting days at midnight after 180 days the Sun would be high in the sky at midnight.
As for a telescope you can see terrestrial objects (atmospheric conditions permitting) so far away they should be under miles of curvature and not visible according to spinning globe theory.
Note you mention "atmospheric conditions permitting," such as atmospheric refraction, which is exactly why you do see things that would otherwise be blocked by Earth's curvature. This is why you see the Chicago skyline from 60 miles away (due to refraction) but can't see the ground, the streets, single-story buildings, etc. from 60 miles away (because they are blocked by the curvature).
Oh, by the way, the Earth rotates 360 degrees every 23 hours, 56 minutes, and 4 seconds. Rounding to 4 minutes difference, over 180 days the difference becomes...wait for it...12 hours (i.e. 4 x 180 / 60 = 12hrs)
I still can't believe someone would even think about this. Don't you have something better to do in your life? Probably not. The point still stands; you can build a cheap mini rocket and fly it upwards with a camera.
yup..
and because of the tidal bulge it's actually technically more of a football shape.
partially because of the sun's gravity but mostly because of the Moon's gravitational pull.
the side the moon is facing gets drawn up and pulled on and then the opposite side of the earth gets the same.
..a football shape.
Really?
Look at the evidence without your preconceived biases and you'll see the problems also. Here is a few problems with the standard model among hundreds...What is keeping the all powerful vacuum of space from sucking off earths atmosphere? Please Explain to me how the moon gravity is strong enough to pull our oceans yet earths gravity hasn't pulled the moon into us yet. I could literally go on for hours about this. Why was relativity created to dismiss experiments such as Aires failure which prove the earth isn't moving?
Clear thinker using common sense video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv6vjpgYbzQ
enjoy watching.
1) What properties do you believe space has that would necessarily suck away Earth's atmosphere? What is the basis for your assumption? To make such an assumption, you must have a theory or model of how and why this would work.
2) With regards to the Earth and its oceans and the moon, first you need to know what gravity is. According to general relativity, objects with mass create curvatures in space. The effects this curvature has on other nearby objects is what we call gravitational force. We know that space curves as a result of mass because this was confirmed by astronomers testing Einstein's theory. Initially, this was confirmed when astronomers were able to observe distant stars that should have been blocked by the Sun but were visible because their light bent around the Sun due to the curvature in space as a result of its mass.
So, because the Moon and Earth are also mass objects like the Sun, they also create curvature in space. The gravitational forces created by each body affect the other, but because Earth is something like 80 times more massive than the Moon, its gravitational pull is much greater. This doesn't mean the Moon's pull is negated; it still exists, and we see its effects on our oceans (i.e. The tides).
The moon doesn't crash into Earth because it's in orbit. If you imagine throwing a rock horizontally, the rock falls to Earth due to gravity. If you were to throw a rock really, really far (say, a few kilometers) it would fall to Earth too, but to hit the ground it would need to fall farther to account for Earth's curvature, and so it would. Now, if you threw a rock really, really, REALLY far, it's possible that you could throw it so hard that it would keep falling and falling but never hit the ground, and instead it would circle the Earth as it continually falls around Earth's curvature. This is what happens with the moon; it's continually falling towards Earth but never hits it because it is at the right speed and distance from Earth that it stays in orbit. And so 'round and 'round it goes.
According to general relativity ONLY. It is just one of many man made theories.
Is it in line with the Word, the LOGOS? ......i don't think so.
And according to observation, experimentation, replication, etc.
I have no idea why you're bringing up religion. The "word" doesn't even provide an explanation whatsoever for the issues mentioned in the post (i.e. Some vague notion that space should "suck off" Earth's atmosphere, tidal motion, etc.).
Are you suggesting that your evidence for a flat earth is a book (the Bible) that gives zero explanation for these things?
Hypothetical conversation:
Me: The earth is round because of x, y, and z.
You: The earth is flat because the Bible doesn't even mention x, y, and z.
Me: The Bible doesn't provide any alternative explanation, either.
You: And that means the Earth is flat.
Me: ...the hell?
Earth is a sphere, its obvious since it rotates, revolves around the sun and the moon around the earth and the planets around the sun.. All these things can be observed with a telescope.
Stating that the earth is flat in 2015 is just a joke. Like this thread. Funny stuff here .. that's about it.
Stating that the earth is flat in 2015 is just a joke. Like this thread. Funny stuff here .. that's about it.
So the Earth rotates and revolves around the Sun does it?
Consider this, according to spinning globe theory the Earth rotates on its axis 360° every 24 hours and makes one revolution around the Sun every 365 days. If we start counting days at midnight after 180 days the Sun would be high in the sky at midnight.
As for a telescope you can see terrestrial objects (atmospheric conditions permitting) so far away they should be under miles of curvature and not visible according to spinning globe theory.
Earth is a sphere, its obvious since it rotates, revolves around the sun and the moon around the earth and the planets around the sun.. All these things can be observed with a telescope.
Stating that the earth is flat in 2015 is just a joke. Like this thread. Funny stuff here .. that's about it.
Stating that the earth is flat in 2015 is just a joke. Like this thread. Funny stuff here .. that's about it.
On our flat Earth, when the sun is directly overhead here in Sandwich, IL, which countries around the plane are experiencing nighttime
As you can see from the map below the Sun is never directly overhead within the continental United States.
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