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Quote from: fiulpro on August 17, 2020, 11:59:30 AM

Hello

I wanted to write this post because I recently stumbled across an article where apparently a minor was accidentally allowed in an offline casino and it got me thinking how it would be easier for kids to reach the gambling sites online.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/15/australia/australia-casino-underage-gambling-intl-hnk-scli/index.html

This happened in Australia.

I do know of wonderful online casino sites who are taking care of people who are struck by the pandemic at the same time creating a support helpline for the customers.

Few things I would like to discuss here:

1) If KYC along with other information is needed to make sure Minors cannot access the gambling sites , I do think we should support it , until and unless the company agrees to take care of the privacy and data of their customers that I know they happily will.

If a minor can get in and play in an online gambling casino, then the parents should be blame for this, it's the responsibility of the parents to make sure that their children cannot access online gambling sites and online adult sites, they have an option to block gambling sites or they can monitor their children's activities online.

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Quote from: kotajikikox on August 21, 2020, 04:09:38 AM

Quote from: Sadlife on August 20, 2020, 10:03:02 AM

Thart's pretty hard, and also impossible. Even with the implementation of KYC to major online gambling sites in the world, there's still many casino's and sports bookie's out there that doesn't require it. In fact they promote; anonymity due to some people unable to play online gambling because of the government laws in their country. That's why, i think it's impossible to prevent children from visiting these kind of sites.

there are many place to make bets and Kids nowadays knows about that specially that almost all of them has their own gadgets and direct access to Internet?
they can sur whatever they want inside their rooms.
This same reason why my family make sure that we are talking everyday about what the kids are doing and they must be truthful in telling which sites they are entering,because if i found ou that they are lying?they will be grounded in gadget for months and in internet.

This could also be a factor why a lot of young ages or minors are prone to get involved in online gambling. It's because they are exposed too much on gadgets that they can discover different things and access them because of curiosity without their parents knowing.

Kids nowadays are so smart with gadgets that they even know a lot of things compared to their parents. Parents really are an important role in preventing their kids to get involved in this kind of activity at a young age.

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Quote from: Saint-loup on August 21, 2020, 06:00:07 AM

Yes you're right, even exchanges are doing things like that, this is highly dishonest and scammy. Those casinos have to be denounced.
We need a wall of shame in the section.

I hear complaint similar to this, actually we hate that but if that is in their TOS, I guess we have no choice but to comply, otherwise, we will lose our money. Just like in an exchange, for instance Binance exchange, we can trade without KYC but if we hit over the limit, then we need to comply with the KYC in order to trade and withdraw our money.

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Quote from: Shasha80 on August 19, 2020, 04:17:52 PM

I agree with the opinion of most of the members here regarding crypto gambling sites should not apply KYC procedures for
overcoming age restrictions for gambling. Because it is not in accordance with the basic principles of cryptocurrency which
prioritizes anonymity and privacy. Indeed, the role of parents is very important, by providing education for children under
18 years of age, so they do not access gambling sites and adult sites.

I agree with you, this type of measure is in contradiction with the crypto philosophy : libertarian, decentralized and anonymous.
If people think KYC is a better thing, there is no point in gambling with cryptos anymore. Fiat gambling is perfect for that.

But the problem is Casinos usually don't ask for KYC while you are playing but once you Hit a Good win?then this is the start of sacrifice because they will Push KYC and in the end will accuse you of having multiple account in which categorized as cheating.
how many cases we have seen here and until now this is happening .

Yes you're right, even exchanges are doing things like that, this is highly dishonest and scammy. Those casinos have to be denounced.
We need a wall of shame in the section.

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Quote from: Kong Hey Pakboy on August 21, 2020, 05:23:19 AM

The only problem with KYC is our privacy and our reputation that someone could hack their system and steal someone's information to used it in their illegal activities, that is why bounty hunters and investors don't trust KYC in new projects nowadays because it might turned out to be a scam project. But if there are minors that has an interest to gamble in a crypto casino, maybe requiring a KYC should be implemented, and parents should always monitor their children if they are getting involved in gambling sites.

With the scams that has happened in past and privacy issue, people just differ whenever there is a KYC formality needs to be completed and consider it as a high risk of data breach. Thus, this does not suit it and there is no other way as such to identify if the minors are gambling or not. Onus lies on parents at large to check what their kid is doing it.

KYC wouldn't stop these kids from gambling.

We are not even talking about KYC but there are a lot of kids that can actually buy games online that is not suitable with their age, how can they do that? They use their parent's card and account. It is impossible to accurately pinpoint a kid gambling unless they are showing it to everyone. Parents should really control their children, that is the only way. If they really wanted, they could start a seminar for these parents.

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Quote from: Kong Hey Pakboy on August 21, 2020, 05:23:19 AM

The only problem with KYC is our privacy and our reputation that someone could hack their system and steal someone's information to used it in their illegal activities, that is why bounty hunters and investors don't trust KYC in new projects nowadays because it might turned out to be a scam project. But if there are minors that has an interest to gamble in a crypto casino, maybe requiring a KYC should be implemented, and parents should always monitor their children if they are getting involved in gambling sites.

With the scams that has happened in past and privacy issue, people just differ whenever there is a KYC formality needs to be completed and consider it as a high risk of data breach. Thus, this does not suit it and there is no other way as such to identify if the minors are gambling or not. Onus lies on parents at large to check what their kid is doing it.

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The only problem with KYC is our privacy and our reputation that someone could hack their system and steal someone's information to used it in their illegal activities, that is why bounty hunters and investors don't trust KYC in new projects nowadays because it might turned out to be a scam project. But if there are minors that has an interest to gamble in a crypto casino, maybe requiring a KYC should be implemented, and parents should always monitor their children if they are getting involved in gambling sites.

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Gambling casinos should be given the free will whether to impose KYC or not unless they are all required by law to implement it to every single gambler. If not, they are not bound to implement it simply because non-KYC gambling could be abused by minors.

The issue of minors playing in crypto casinos falls under parental guidance. Parents should monitor their children and make sure they are not involved in gambling. Even with KYC, gambling sites do not have the capacity to verify one by one their clients, beyond those information submitted to them.

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Quote from: Sadlife on August 20, 2020, 10:03:02 AM

Thart's pretty hard, and also impossible. Even with the implementation of KYC to major online gambling sites in the world, there's still many casino's and sports bookie's out there that doesn't require it. In fact they promote; anonymity due to some people unable to play online gambling because of the government laws in their country. That's why, i think it's impossible to prevent children from visiting these kind of sites.

there are many place to make bets and Kids nowadays knows about that specially that almost all of them has their own gadgets and direct access to Internet?
they can sur whatever they want inside their rooms.
This same reason why my family make sure that we are talking everyday about what the kids are doing and they must be truthful in telling which sites they are entering,because if i found ou that they are lying?they will be grounded in gadget for months and in internet.

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Quote from: Sadlife on August 20, 2020, 10:03:02 AM

Thart's pretty hard, and also impossible. Even with the implementation of KYC to major online gambling sites in the world, there's still many casino's and sports bookie's out there that doesn't require it. In fact they promote; anonymity due to some people unable to play online gambling because of the government laws in their country. That's why, i think it's impossible to prevent children from visiting these kind of sites.

Don't forget that there are many ways that they can use if they really want to play , asking for KYC will not help at all if the persons can bought a kyc verified account to an older persons so having it doesn't help it will just make it difficult for players that protect their identity in playing for personal security reasons.

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Quote from: reliable on August 20, 2020, 11:00:51 AM

Quote from: Sadlife on August 20, 2020, 10:03:02 AM

Thart's pretty hard, and also impossible. Even with the implementation of KYC to major online gambling sites in the world, there's still many casino's and sports bookie's out there that doesn't require it. In fact they promote; anonymity due to some people unable to play online gambling because of the government laws in their country. That's why, i think it's impossible to prevent children from visiting these kind of sites.

Another reason is that if kids want to play as they have money and if they lose this will results some profits to the casinos so this opportunity no business owner would like to give up. And if KYC needs to be done then people may not be willing to share their information due to the trust factor.

Kids or adult have same chances and that is more on losing than winning so i think it is not about the ages but the reality that gambling sites are created to Bag peoples money so the thing is either you limit yourself from playing or lose at all.

Government has nothing to do with this because we have our free will.

and if we lose its our mistake while same as if we win,because for sure we will come back to play again and again.

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Quote from: imstillthebest on August 21, 2020, 01:35:04 AM

Quote from: maydna on August 20, 2020, 09:46:23 PM

Quote from: Ryker1 on August 20, 2020, 06:57:41 PM

We cannot blame the gambling casinos here for our kids if they will be involved in gambling. Because that is our responsibility to guide them in a right way for their own better future. Kepp communicating them and monitor their activity will help them to be a good person someday. So KYC is not important, that can help for privacy protection of the player.

Yes, in these situations, the gambling casino is like a tool for every people, whether they want to use the casino or not. But if that is related to our kids, we need to take care of them, don't let them online alone, especially if they are in their room for a long time. We can teach them about something good instead of letting them use their mobile phones or laptops or computers to search for something they don't know. If they want to search for something, we need to stay beside them to teach or tell them. Perhaps, KYC is still required if the government still insists on knowing about the people who often play gambling and want to get tax from the casino.

tool ? to escape the reality for a while and to have fun or forget problems temporarily . for adults only but for kids , kids have thier own kind of fun and its not gambling . not saying gambling is bad but its a habit to us that we should teach kids educational stuffs until they are on their right age . i agree that we must watch our kids when they use electronic devices but if this is not possible , we can check the history of the browsers to see if they visit gambling site or not .

I think you misunderstood what he said.
He said that gambling is a tool for everyone, but it excludes the kids since he stated that if it is related to the kids, the adult ones are the one who is responsible to take care of them.

To OP, I think this should really give attention, there's a lot of possible problems they might face if kids will really get into online casinos. Even without requiring KYC, but there should be some kind of security to avoid kids to get in.

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Quote from: maydna on August 20, 2020, 09:46:23 PM

Quote from: Ryker1 on August 20, 2020, 06:57:41 PM

We cannot blame the gambling casinos here for our kids if they will be involved in gambling. Because that is our responsibility to guide them in a right way for their own better future. Kepp communicating them and monitor their activity will help them to be a good person someday. So KYC is not important, that can help for privacy protection of the player.

Yes, in these situations, the gambling casino is like a tool for every people, whether they want to use the casino or not. But if that is related to our kids, we need to take care of them, don't let them online alone, especially if they are in their room for a long time. We can teach them about something good instead of letting them use their mobile phones or laptops or computers to search for something they don't know. If they want to search for something, we need to stay beside them to teach or tell them. Perhaps, KYC is still required if the government still insists on knowing about the people who often play gambling and want to get tax from the casino.

tool ? to escape the reality for a while and to have fun or forget problems temporarily . for adults only but for kids , kids have thier own kind of fun and its not gambling . not saying gambling is bad but its a habit to us that we should teach kids educational stuffs until they are on their right age . i agree that we must watch our kids when they use electronic devices but if this is not possible , we can check the history of the browsers to see if they visit gambling site or not .

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What you should have said in your OP was that the mother snuck the child into the Casino by opening an emergency exit door to allow the child to sneak into the Casino. It's a non issue. Children aren't allowed into Casinos - the only way they would be found inside is as the article sates they illegally gained access.

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Quote from: Ryker1 on August 20, 2020, 06:57:41 PM

We cannot blame the gambling casinos here for our kids if they will be involved in gambling. Because that is our responsibility to guide them in a right way for their own better future. Kepp communicating them and monitor their activity will help them to be a good person someday. So KYC is not important, that can help for privacy protection of the player.

Yes, in these situations, the gambling casino is like a tool for every people, whether they want to use the casino or not. But if that is related to our kids, we need to take care of them, don't let them online alone, especially if they are in their room for a long time. We can teach them about something good instead of letting them use their mobile phones or laptops or computers to search for something they don't know. If they want to search for something, we need to stay beside them to teach or tell them. Perhaps, KYC is still required if the government still insists on knowing about the people who often play gambling and want to get tax from the casino.

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Quote from: Oilacris on August 20, 2020, 05:56:04 PM

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You cant say that kids wont able to learn or do need to be teach them first before they can able to have grasp on things.We know that they can learn fast and if their curiosity is high then tendency
on exploring and learning that thing he likes will be on next in line.

Well, this was right. Even the gambling casino has a KYC for the sake of the minor age will not be involved, --they will always find ways just to gamble due to their curiosity on it. We know kids nowadays if they need to cheat they will do and if they wanted to. Minors are easy to be addicted and that is a target to those businesses out there either gambling or not, --these young people are too weak and perhaps did not know the real value of money, and as long as they had parents to ask for their leisure.

We cannot blame the gambling casinos here for our kids if they will be involved in gambling. Because that is our responsibility to guide them in a right way for their own better future. Kepp communicating them and monitor their activity will help them to be a good person someday. So KYC is not important, that can help for privacy protection of the player.

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Quote from: carriebee on August 19, 2020, 12:01:42 PM

Quote from: akram143 on August 18, 2020, 04:38:29 PM

Almost every crypto gambling sites to have restirctions to age factors but performing KYC is not really advisable when it comes to crypto sites because people here wants anonymous while playing so you can't demand them to provide all their details if they want to gamble there.If minors doesn't have to access the gambling sites then it is in the hands of their parents, if kid doesn't have enough money then he wouldn't think about gambling.

I like your point because some gamblers don't want to provide kyc. Even me personally I don't like to expose my identification in any site. What I can see for this is on the parents to guide their kids not to explore any gambling site.

It is the casinos right to do KYC or not, this happened to be instructed by the central government especially when they are fully handed by the government, in short they are living by the book provided by the government. But then there is nothing wrong with KYC procedures as long as the data will be stored privately. Most of us are just afraid for an instance of hacking incidents where our data could be steal and use in illegal activity. The data disclosure is what we are afraid of, they can even sell it without us knowing and could just told us that their system was breached. None of us will really know.

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Quote from: reliable on August 20, 2020, 11:00:51 AM

Quote from: Sadlife on August 20, 2020, 10:03:02 AM

Thart's pretty hard, and also impossible. Even with the implementation of KYC to major online gambling sites in the world, there's still many casino's and sports bookie's out there that doesn't require it. In fact they promote; anonymity due to some people unable to play online gambling because of the government laws in their country. That's why, i think it's impossible to prevent children from visiting these kind of sites.

Another reason is that if kids want to play as they have money and if they lose this will results some profits to the casinos so this opportunity no business owner would like to give up. And if KYC needs to be done then people may not be willing to share their information due to the trust factor.

Casino wants profit but they don't need money from minors, imagine how much minors can only afford to gamble, that's only a small slice of pie on the total amount they are making on a daily basis. So they gave a warning, it's up to gamblers to follow it or now, unfortunately, no one could verify if gamblers are minors or not since we are talking of online casinos here that offers anonymous gambling.

If there's a casino to regulate, that should be fiat casinos.

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Quote from: MCobian on August 20, 2020, 02:05:01 PM

Parental supervision is the main key so that children do not get involved with gambling sites, which it is feared that children cannot control
themselves, so as not to become addicted to gambling. But the problem is it's difficult to supervise the child 24/7, there must be a moment
for both parents to be busy and children have sufficient free time to access gambling sites. To overcome this, parents must be able to provide
education and understanding that gambling sites are not good for them.

I don't know why kids will be stumble upon to a gambling sites if no one is teaching them. The parents should watch their kids activities behind the internet to avoid a mess in the near future. That's why there are apps available in the internet so that parents could watch what their kids been doing in the internet. I don't know if their parents really did play gambling then forgot to logout or hide their gambling activity so that their kids won't accidentally open it. It is their responsibility to provide their kids the right information and avoid the adult stuff from them when it is not the right time yet.

You cant say that kids wont able to learn or do need to be teach them first before they can able to have grasp on things.We know that they can learn fast and if their curiosity is high then tendency
on exploring and learning that thing he likes will be on next in line.

With that then dealing up with gambling wont really be that hard specially if he do deal with luck based games like dice or slots which isnt really hard for you to play or even on a very minimal
supervision or even dealing with your own wont be that hard.

For offline casino then it would be more easy since it would be tactile and you can really hold those machines with your hands.I can say that casino management
had some fault on letting minors do get in into the premises.

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Quote from: reliable on August 20, 2020, 11:00:51 AM

Quote from: Sadlife on August 20, 2020, 10:03:02 AM

Thart's pretty hard, and also impossible. Even with the implementation of KYC to major online gambling sites in the world, there's still many casino's and sports bookie's out there that doesn't require it. In fact they promote; anonymity due to some people unable to play online gambling because of the government laws in their country. That's why, i think it's impossible to prevent children from visiting these kind of sites.

Another reason is that if kids want to play as they have money and if they lose this will results some profits to the casinos so this opportunity no business owner would like to give up. And if KYC needs to be done then people may not be willing to share their information due to the trust factor.

Majorities of gamblers who doesn't want to reveal their identities will not accept this KYC process. They will be moving to another
places where they will not be requires to produced those important information.
Casino owners might have differences regarding to this position knowing that they are concerned with the benefits that they can
get from any adjustment that needed to be done.

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