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Quote from: Natalim on August 19, 2020, 05:34:03 PM

Agree, parents as the educator is more effective that the law created by the government.

What I see in this digital era is many parents seem doesn't care with their kids. If you meet your friends with their kids, their parents will not protect their kids, but their parents busy to talk with their friends. That happens too in their homes because I see many parents in their homes still busy with their mobile phone just to chat with other friends, watch a movie, or browse the website. They think that if they give mobile phones to their kids, it will help their kids to learn anything they want, but that is wrong.

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Quote from: Shasha80 on August 19, 2020, 03:17:52 PM

I agree with the opinion of most of the members here regarding crypto gambling sites should not apply KYC procedures for
overcoming age restrictions for gambling. Because it is not in accordance with the basic principles of cryptocurrency which
prioritizes anonymity and privacy.

Yes, I believe in anonymity and privacy, but that is only from wallet to wallet as transactions in blockchain is anonymous.
However, gambling sites is not anymore in our control, if government will regulate it and require them to implement KYC to clients, we can't do anything about it because in the first place gambling site are not decentralized.

We can only achieve anonymity if we have a decentralized gambling sites.

The government can force crypto gambling site to follow their rule if the casino wants to continue their business, and the casino cannot do anything except follow. I think the government want to know who are the customers for every casino, and how much money they spend in a month, so if they see one gambler use too big money, the government can investigate it and see what it happens. But the gambler itself will have another chance to search for the other gambling website that is running without applying KYC. If the gamblers found the site, they will register and stay in that site because they can hide their identity from anyone.

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Quote from: Shasha80 on August 19, 2020, 03:17:52 PM

I agree with the opinion of most of the members here regarding crypto gambling sites should not apply KYC procedures for
overcoming age restrictions for gambling. Because it is not in accordance with the basic principles of cryptocurrency which
prioritizes anonymity and privacy.

Yes, I believe in anonymity and privacy, but that is only from wallet to wallet as transactions in blockchain is anonymous.
However, gambling sites is not anymore in our control, if government will regulate it and require them to implement KYC to clients, we can't do anything about it because in the first place gambling site are not decentralized.

We can only achieve anonymity if we have a decentralized gambling sites.

Quote from: Shasha80 on August 19, 2020, 03:17:52 PM

Indeed, the role of parents is very important, by providing education for children under
18 years of age, so they do not access gambling sites and adult sites.

Agree, parents as the educator is more effective that the law created by the government.

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I agree with the opinion of most of the members here regarding crypto gambling sites should not apply KYC procedures for
overcoming age restrictions for gambling. Because it is not in accordance with the basic principles of cryptocurrency which
prioritizes anonymity and privacy. Indeed, the role of parents is very important, by providing education for children under
18 years of age, so they do not access gambling sites and adult sites.

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I think the crypto gambling casinos should not require a KYC.They should require it only when they suspect someone has done some hacking or found a glitch in their system and won huge amount of money in a really short time,I am not talking about someone winning a huge jackpot here obviously.I think nowadays in our society we see kids or minors,someone who is under 18 to take drugs,drink alcoholic drinks and smoke unfortunately.I agree it is the parents responsibility nowadays and crypto casinos should adopt to this and start removing KYC which is going against the nature of crypto in general,Monero for example which is can be used as an untraceable transaction if the users both agree on it.

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Quote from: akram143 on August 18, 2020, 03:38:29 PM

Almost every crypto gambling sites to have restirctions to age factors but performing KYC is not really advisable when it comes to crypto sites because people here wants anonymous while playing so you can't demand them to provide all their details if they want to gamble there.If minors doesn't have to access the gambling sites then it is in the hands of their parents, if kid doesn't have enough money then he wouldn't think about gambling.

I like your point because some gamblers don't want to provide kyc. Even me personally I don't like to expose my identification in any site. What I can see for this is on the parents to guide their kids not to explore any gambling site.

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Quote from: nelson4lov on August 18, 2020, 01:14:50 AM

The rate at which kids are getting involved with technology and stuffs that are way above their levels is alarming. For adults, it might be easy to control the addiction or greed to keep playing but for kids, Its a little more difficult. However, I don't think enforcing KYC on gambling websites is the way to go. That would just be doing more harm than good as privacy is our most valuable asset in the internet.

KYC is a very critical decision to implement by the platform, first, it could limit their potential players because most of the time, people prefers to stays anonymous for privacy reason. But we need to dig deeper for their reasons why in order to enforce a KYC restrictions. Most of the time, we are afraid that a platform might expose or leak our personal sensitive informations. That falls within the reliability of the platforms. If there will be an international standards for regulating gambling casinos, it could help us to accept their TOS regarding KYC. Therefore, limiting younger ages to be involved in gambling.

Anyway, it isn't just the KYC that could solve this problem. I like that you state this:

Quote from: nelson4lov on August 18, 2020, 01:14:50 AM

The viable solution right now is just to raise more awareness for parents to restrict their children from certain online activities including gambling.

It is not bad that they could see their parents gambling, or to see gambling sites online through ads, what is bad is when parents didn't care about it since they should be the one supervising their child to understand the risk of taking part in gambling at age when these kids doesn't have any source of income yet.

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Almost every crypto gambling sites to have restirctions to age factors but performing KYC is not really advisable when it comes to crypto sites because people here wants anonymous while playing so you can't demand them to provide all their details if they want to gamble there.If minors doesn't have to access the gambling sites then it is in the hands of their parents, if kid doesn't have enough money then he wouldn't think about gambling.

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My family was quite open-headed when it got to gambling.. I remember as a kid, I also went to the horse racing track with my Grandfather and he placed the bets for us under his credentials. (We worked out the fixtures after breakfast or the night before from newspapers and then we went to the
track and he placed the bets. Grin

(This is something that I cherish and it is good memories that I would take to my grave)

I cannot see why parents or adult members of the family cannot do this for entertainment with their kids under direct adult supervision. Roll Eyes

(People would say that by doing that you are creating a gambling addiction with kids, but people allow their kids to smoke and drink at a early age.

A child under adult supervision can be warned by the adult about the dangers of gambling addiction and they could teach them the warning signs and when to stop.

Online gambling is a bit different, because you do not know if the kids stole the credit card and the password and verification documents... so the adult might only find out later that their private documents was used to register at a gambling site. Tongue

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Quote from: fiulpro on August 17, 2020, 10:59:30 AM

Hello

I wanted to write this post because I recently stumbled across an article where apparently a minor was accidentally allowed in an offline casino and it got me thinking how it would be easier for kids to reach the gambling sites online.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/15/australia/australia-casino-underage-gambling-intl-hnk-scli/index.html

This happened in Australia.

I do know of wonderful online casino sites who are taking care of people who are struck by the pandemic at the same time creating a support helpline for the customers.

Few things I would like to discuss here:

1) If KYC along with other information is needed to make sure Minors cannot access the gambling sites , I do think we should support it , until and unless the company agrees to take care of the privacy and data of their customers that I know they happily will.

2) I do think we have to seriously take this matter in consideration , Gambling is a sport , an activity , a leisure for people , I do support it when done in moderation but when it comes to kids , I do think each and everyone of us is entitled to look into this matter seriously.

I want to open this thread to engage the attention of the esteemed online Gambling sites here , so that they can at least give this a thought.

Maybe we need to think beyond KYC, but then again there is a thin line between privacy and regulation , but I do think this matter is of utmost importance.

Please share your thoughts and suggest how we can tackle this issue.

Yeah, I have heard of that. The worst part is, it is their parents that let them in. They watched the gambling. Sad parenting to be honest.
Eventually each and every casino will have to ask for their users to go through the KYC process. The regulators are catching up. You can't escape them. You will have to follow the rules if you want to continue operating your casino. But like you said, privacy becomes an issue. There is no way you can tackle this but to trust the casino who you are providing your information to.

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I understand your stance and point of view. For the record, I also don't like some restrictions that the law prevents us from. But in most cases, it has been in the interest of everyone. I acknowledge that some individuals grow faster than their age in terms of common sense / knowledge. Gambling for example, do you think its a good idea for say, a 10 year boy to be actively gambling? I don't think so.

I have no problem with people giving their children education about certain topics that are rarely discussed in most homes. In fact, I actually think it's a good idea to give them heads up that such stuffs exist but it's bad when you allow them participate in it.

As a father I will ask you one thing: Would you like your kids to learn about the world from you or from others?
This questions sums it up, as a parent I need to learn my children to understand the world! Gambling is a vice, as many
other vices, but you have to show them how to control their needs for excitement, to risk what they can afford to lose,
how to behave and to know the risks involved if they overdo it! Or you would rather let it to learn from others?
If my 10-year-old kid is good at some sport or in some e-sport, and he shows in interest in making some bets, I would gladly
show him and try to explain to him how to survive in long-term! But my children are under 10 for now, and believe me gambling
is the last of my worries!

It would depend on how you do deal with things or on how you do arrange it up as a parent.We do have our own ways to raise and handle out our children but over all we do think on whats good for them.
neither we do have some open kind of thinking where accepting the possibilities for them to get involved even if we dont like it or totally trying your best for them not to learn about it.It all matters
on how you do handle but be sure that they would really understand on whats the risk because this would be the most important so that they wont easily stumbled out on a site just because of their curiosity towards it.
Imposing KYC just because of this incident? it wont really be enough specially on physical casinos because if people or staffs into that place do allow them to enter then it wont really make a difference to imply it.
For online ones then we know that this one isnt really preferable by many.

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Quote from: nelson4lov on August 18, 2020, 01:26:43 PM

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I understand your stance and point of view. For the record, I also don't like some restrictions that the law prevents us from. But in most cases, it has been in the interest of everyone. I acknowledge that some individuals grow faster than their age in terms of common sense / knowledge. Gambling for example, do you think its a good idea for say, a 10 year boy to be actively gambling? I don't think so.

I have no problem with people giving their children education about certain topics that are rarely discussed in most homes. In fact, I actually think it's a good idea to give them heads up that such stuffs exist but it's bad when you allow them participate in it.

As a father I will ask you one thing: Would you like your kids to learn about the world from you or from others?
This questions sums it up, as a parent I need to learn my children to understand the world! Gambling is a vice, as many
other vices, but you have to show them how to control their needs for excitement, to risk what they can afford to lose,
how to behave and to know the risks involved if they overdo it! Or you would rather let it to learn from others?
If my 10-year-old kid is good at some sport or in some e-sport, and he shows in interest in making some bets, I would gladly
show him and try to explain to him how to survive in long-term! But my children are under 10 for now, and believe me gambling
is the last of my worries!

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Quote from: DoublerHunter on August 18, 2020, 12:09:34 PM

^ In most cases, we can not literally monitor if a minor is using since it does not require a camera in gambling (for real), kids nowadays are smart enough, some can even know the flow of the stock market and most of them can navigate the computer expertly. KYC is the best way to do it, nevertheless, parents should be aware that their kids can imitate them exactly what they are doing. But the problem is, gamblers avoid KYC for their privacy.

There are spying softwares available in the markets, if parents are too worried about their kids going the wrong way, they should definitely buy it if they don't have time available to be given to their kid. These things will occasionally occur mostly in rich families because of the fact that rich parents don't often look behind their children and support the old tradition that a maid will look after their kids, whilst the truth is, maids don't give a damn about how kids are living, how they behave and where they go. If parents start watching their children, find them gambling and then calmly ask them where did they get to know it? Why did they gamble? What was their mindset? I'm sure their kids will definitely cope up with the situation they get stuck either due to addiction or any depression.

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Talking about children who are free to play online, for me this is not a big deal, they have parents who will guide them, and it is the responsibility of their educating parents.
And it is possible for a site to ask for kyc verification data, if they really intend to play, it's not a big problem for them to send kyc with fake data.

This matter should need to be discussed. Kyc can be mandatory in a gambling site and with that in my view Iâ€™m opposed submitting my personal identification in an online just to gamble. The best thing for this is the parents should be the one must guide their kids not to be involved in gambling as this may result in addiction. During these times we have noticed some other kids are exposed to online gambling and it is necessary that parents are really strict about this kind of matter.

Yes, that's why I don't really agree with gambling sites that ask for personal data information from the gambling site, if only playing gambling is asked for kyc data, it's better if I play real and real gambling, for children's problems it's parents' business those who educate, because they know what is best for their child

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To be fair, the girl wasn't given the all clear by the staff. Her trashy mother sneaked her in through an exit door and should be even more responsible than the casino for being a piece of shit mother.

I don't think you will get much support around here for KYC. Most users, gamblers or not, are against KYC. Many accidents from the past have proven that those employed to protect our privacy and security have been hacked and private data has been leaked many times.
Gambling is not a sport and I don't see any reason why it should be considered as a sport.

Culture and manners are though at home. If the parents took their time to instill rightness and morality, many other things would be easier.

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I respect the law, but I don't agree with every rule! This is one of the rules I don't agree with. Some people mature faster,
some kids become aware of the world around quickly. I can't agree that people under 18 should be banned from doing things,
I am for education, educate kids about everything, same as I learned my kids will have to learn how to deal with the world,
with all the tempting things around that are dangerous in many ways, not just financial way!

I understand your stance and point of view. For the record, I also don't like some restrictions that the law prevents us from. But in most cases, it has been in the interest of everyone. I acknowledge that some individuals grow faster than their age in terms of common sense / knowledge. Gambling for example, do you think its a good idea for say, a 10 year boy to be actively gambling? I don't think so.

I have no problem with people giving their children education about certain topics that are rarely discussed in most homes. In fact, I actually think it's a good idea to give them heads up that such stuffs exist but it's bad when you allow them participate in it.

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Quote from: nelson4lov on August 18, 2020, 01:14:50 AM

The rate at which kids are getting involved with technology and stuffs that are way above their levels is alarming. For adults, it might be easy to control the addiction or greed to keep playing but for kids, Its a little more difficult. However, I don't think enforcing KYC on gambling websites is the way to go. That would just be doing more harm than good as privacy is our most valuable asset in the internet. The viable solution right now is just to raise more awareness for parents to restrict their children from certain online activities including gambling.

Quote from: Bezobraznike on August 18, 2020, 12:00:15 AM

I made my first sports bet around that age! That was almost 30 years ago, back then you could buy alcoholic drinks and cigars
without any problems, and I don't think there's something wrong with me. Back then there was a lot more freedom for all of us.

You turned out just fine but there are other kids when exposed to gambling, they can easily get addicted and can go as far as stealing just to fill their gambling hunger. By law, no one under 18 should be allowed to gamble.

I respect the law, but I don't agree with every rule! This is one of the rules I don't agree with. Some people mature faster,
some kids become aware of the world around quickly. I can't agree that people under 18 should be banned from doing things,
I am for education, educate kids about everything, same as I learned my kids will have to learn how to deal with the world,
with all the tempting things around that are dangerous in many ways, not just financial way!

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^ In most cases, we can not literally monitor if a minor is using since it does not require a camera in gambling (for real), kids nowadays are smart enough, some can even know the flow of the stock market and most of them can navigate the computer expertly. KYC is the best way to do it, nevertheless, parents should be aware that their kids can imitate them exactly what they are doing. But the problem is, gamblers avoid KYC for their privacy.

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That is some of the dilemma with the modern technology nowadays. Talking about gambling, no one knows who's behind the screen or an account, point taken that there is FAQ and the Terms of Services already but these are incidents that are almost uncontrollable. If gambling sites would implement more strict protocols then it may result to some players not being happy about that.

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Quote from: fiulpro on August 17, 2020, 10:59:30 AM

I wanted to write this post because I recently stumbled across an article where apparently a minor was accidentally allowed in an offline casino and it got me thinking how it would be easier for kids to reach the gambling sites online.

I do know of wonderful online casino sites who are taking care of people who are struck by the pandemic at the same time creating a support helpline for the customers.

Few things I would like to discuss here:

1) If KYC along with other information is needed to make sure Minors cannot access the gambling sites , I do think we should support it , until and unless the company agrees to take care of the privacy and data of their customers that I know they happily will.

2) I do think we have to seriously take this matter in consideration , Gambling is a sport , an activity , a leisure for people , I do support it when done in moderation but when it comes to kids , I do think each and everyone of us is entitled to look into this matter seriously.

Offline casinos? I guess those works in games since they can play with Artificial Intelligence with different kinds of difficulties but having an offline casino that you want to benefit from can either be already made or its just for fun. It is true that people that being stuck in the pandemic is really boring and going to physical casinos is prohibited but having an Online Casino that can make you feel that you are also in a real one can be quite good since that is what people who have hobbies like that are looking for. KYC is only natural since they also want to play with other people even though they are anonymously masked from each other.

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For the casinos they should not be allowing it as physically it can be checked by asking id card and then doing verification. For online it wold be difficult to do so because firstly people do not want to use the KYC as not sure if it can be misused. Secondly for kids, parents need to monitor them and should make them aware about the consequences of gambling at young age.

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