Topic: FortuneJack making 120,000 dollars disappear from my account! - page 2. (Read 2721 times)

@JollyGood, before starting, do you know Ali of mind your language? He's my best actor ever:) (it is your name on the forum that made me think of him)

I agree, and this is the professional way to deal with it. This is not me, and I am not a professional in communications. I am just a private individual, a user of FortuneJack, who got 105000 euros stolen from him.

Have you ever seen a scammer admit? You know 1xbit right? They also claim all of their scams are according to "their terms and conditions". Just take a look at the last scam accusation against them.

No, it means that the majority have no morals and are of low value, it wouldn't be the first community in human history to be as such, and we've seen much worse. I did nothing wrong on FortuneJack, I only made bets that they accepted, and did not cheat.

That is correct, and that would be the right thing to do for the next step. It's taking too long for my lawyer to assess the case but it's going to court, there is going to be a lawyer taking this to court no matter what. And there's going to be the appeal, and then the highest courts in the country if needed.


Yeah I like participating here in some of the threads, even if I'm being red tagged and getting no merit at all for it.

There is no other "view" on this than the screenshots of my bets shown in this thread. Theft is theft and accepting it is wrong.

Do you want me go check their terms and conditions where it says they must pay winning bets? With all the respect, no sorry.

Please check on page 2 of this thread, what was written by the FortuneJack representative. He is falsely claiming that one player cannot win more 100,000 euros in sportsbets (and it's not 100k euros per one player, it's 100k euros per bet) although I had 2 different bets involved, which should make it 100,000 euros*2=200,000 euros.  

Upon checking their terms, it seems that they no longer have this term and that they changed them. They've already made their steal. You must agree not a lot of people have a 200k win on sports.

Can you elaborate on what is coming?

As for you not having regrets about your posting style and chosen words, I hoped you would have a different view retrospectively but I am not in your position and therefore cannot fully understand what you are going through. I do think posting with some control of frustration and anger will be better when engaging with members.

I made no such assumption but I do think engaging a general courteous manner with all parties including a reputable gambling/gaming website even if you make a scam allegation against them. I would say that the correct protocol would be to keep calm when engaging with members across the spectrum with differing views while presenting facts and evidence to back up your claim and standing your ground.

And though it would probably mean nothing in the context of this thread, as far my opinion is concerned I am 100% certain (on the basis of what I have read thus far) what is clear is that FortuneJack have not accepted any wrong doing on their part and they claim they operate within their Terms and Conditions.

You seem to have failed, you did not succeed when you attempted to get the community to pressure FortuneJack. The majority of forum members that are aware of the situation have not backed you, your claim or your flag. Does that mean you should change something in your approach or does that mean you are still going to remain on the same track.

It is clear they will never pay you what you are claiming because they deny scamming you and they claim they are operating within their Terms of Service that you signed up to when you decided to play there.

The only option you have is a legal one and that route will mean you having to find a lawyer either on a no-win-no-fee basis or basically you will have to pay their fees from your own pocket. And if you ever got to that stage there is no guarantee you will win.

Yes I noticed some of your posts in other threads, it is good to see you trying to become a more active member of the community by posting in other threads.

Regarding you wanting to ensure even if one person was to avoid FortuneJack or the other organisations that did not help you then it might be considered as some form of success, I think you have made the point. If you want to regularly bump this thread in order to sustain your aims then it means it might bring you some sort of closure while holding hopes of receiving a payment from FortuneJack.

Other forum members have stated their opinions on how they saw your case and they are entitled to their views. As far as my position is concerned, I still have not read all the information related to the scam allegation but FortuneJack deny wrongdoing as per their Terms and Condition and those were what you signed up on their website. It is clear they will not pay you because they claim they did nothing wrong.

Without a doubt they (FortuneJack) and all other gaming/gambling websites should not allow bets to be placed in the first place if they will be voided later. This is because of the obvious conflict of interest in a scenario:

- there is a win which they could refuse to pay and instead refund the wagered amount and inform the user of a breach of the ToS
- there is a losing bet placed but they will not inform the user about the breach of ToS therefore will not refund that particular bet and the user remains none the wiser

I would advise you to move on from this episode with a view that you wagered around €4700 and won around €92,000. As for the other €5700 you wagered which could have brought you around €100,000, just take it as you receiving your wagered amounts back but the winnings were disputed by the website operator.

If you decide to continue your claim: Can you point out in this link to their Terms and Conditions exactly which parts of the contract you claim were broken by FortuneJack?

And after that, can you point out in the same Terms and Conditions which parts of the contract FortuneJack claim were broken by you?

https://fortunejack.com/faq/terms_and_conditions

Exactly. Some people since they are anonymous here and don't believe in God have no shame. Some people, though publicly known, like Boris Kiknadze the CEO of FortuneJack, still have no shame whatsoever. And thanks for supporting my flag.


You're funny Loyce, you want to convince us that you know not a single reader will change his mind about playing on a bookie that deleted a player's bet history after a win, and that they only paid 100,000 euros for one bet instead of the amount actually won and that is 200,000 euros for 2 bets, that should have been paid according to their terms. You're not only digging yourself deeper with the scammers but also making fun of yourself. The truth is you just don't know if this thread has made a big player look for another platform than FortuneJack.

The reader of this topic will just see that ForjuneJack paid you close to €100k, just as their Terms state. That won't stop them from playing, but I hope it will make more people actually read through the Terms.

I am a new user on this forum, but I supported this flag. I have read 90% of these posts on this case, and I think I fully understood what this is all about. Given that I have a lot of experience with sports betting, I can identify with the OP here.

First of all, FortuneJack accepted all bets. Why did they accept them if it contradicted their rules? The main question.

Another very important question - why were the bets canceled after the outcome of the matches was known? Why didn't they do it before? I'm pretty sure FortuneJack wouldn't void bets if they were losing bets.

Furthermore, it is very unprofessional to have rules, and allow in game to break rules with just one click. A lot of space is left for such cases. In my opinion, very tendentious rules and deliberately written precisely for such cases.

To make matters worse, the OP placed big market bets - Bundesliga and Ligue 1. At any major bookmaker in the world, he could easily bet much larger amounts than this and have no problems.

Edit: Deleting bets is just a special level of shame and unprofessionalism.

You can check page 2 of this thread.


These are correct, except bet#2 that is 475 euros. We are talking approximately of course.

Yes

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All you stated above is correct. I can confirm they deleted my bet history after my win. Although to be clear when they saw the evidence for my bets they did not deny that my bets happened and did not alter my history.


I was frustrated because I have been a victim of theft. I am not disappointed in the way I reacted and I think it is normal, but that's not the end of it, and more is coming. The sooner this gets resolved the better. If you think they were going to pay me my 100k win depending on how I react to their behaviour I think you're mistaken.

They made a final decision, there is nothing I can do personally. I asked for support to try get the community pressure them.

As of now, they must pay the remaining winnings of my 2 bets + interest rate for being late. Payment must be made in euros values.

Lately I have been posting a lot less, and not so much about FortuneJack. Though I hope to get only one person who reads my posts to avoid using FortuneJack, and any of the organisations advertised here, and not fall in the same trap as I did.

First, where is the link showing comments from FortuneJack stating the reasons they cancelled bets #2, #3 and #4 on the basis they were identical to bet#1?

Second, (without showing screenshots) in simple English can you confirm the amounts wagered and the winnings expected, or edit them from the following list:

bet#1 = €4750 @ 20.48 = €92,500
bet#2 = €495   @ 20.48 = €9642
bet#3 = €4750 @ 19.84 = €89,490
bet#4 = €500   @20.42  = €9710

Third, what was total amount you wagered in all the bets that you are disputing? According to what is in bold above the amount totals €10,495. Is this correct?

Fourth, according to what is in bold above the winnings amount to €201,342. Is this correct?

Fifth, if you are claiming €201,342 but you received €92,500 + the wagered €4750 totalling €97,250 from bet#1 along with €495, €4750 and €500 wagers on bets#2, #3 and #4 then things become clearer. That means you are claiming you were scammed out of €104,092. Is this correct?

I read some of what you wrote about data vanishing along with you stating what FortuneJack should and should not do but keeping all that and their ToS for a moment aside, can you confirm if the above is correct.

I do not know what happened in this case but am trying to understand.

I cannot be sure but I think I posted maybe once in one of your threads related to this issue and cannot be sure what I wrote. I am trying to read up to understand what you state happened, what FortuneJack say happened and what actually happened. It will take time and even then there might not be full clarity.

I must add I am very disappointed in the way you get aggressive and post with a lot of frustration instead engaging with members (who agree or disagree with your version of events) in an acceptable manner. What did you achieve by alienating the FortuneJack representative to the degree they made their final comment on the subject matter?

If you on one hand are taunting them making it clear you do not want them to make any more comments then why are posting in the forum seeking support? The logical thing to have done would be for you to keep them in the conversation because ultimately they are the ones who could (if they chose to) make any payment to you in the event they accept liability for an error. From what I read thus far they do not accept liability, they claim they did not scam you.

The Curaçao Gaming Control Board does not seem like it will do anything to give you an outcome you want. You also have mentioned AskGamblers and stated they are effectively useless with you even resorting to profanities against them therefore it is safe to assume you believe you will not be assisted by any group or association in what you feel is improper conduct by FortuneJack.

As mentioned, I need to read up on this to understand what happened but assuming what I wrote above is accurate, what would be an acceptable outcome for you?

Your flag has far more opposition than it does support, it has no momentum and you seem to have zero chance of FortuneJack accepting liability for your claimed losses and they have already said they will make no more comments regarding this case and you have welcomed that by telling them you do not want them to come back to post about it.

Therefore keeping your stance in mind:  what do you hope to achieve by posting about your allegations in the forum?

Another interesting article about FortuneJack "deleting bet histories" here: https://www.cryptoinfowatch.com/fortunejack-when-gambling-houses-wont-pay-winnings/

It doesn't look like I'm the only one they've done that to.

Ok thks Loyce for taking the time to assess this.
Of course they're not putting that in their terms. They want to cancel as much winning bets as they feel like.

The 2 implied agreements that they violated were:
-They're not supposed to consider bets as "identical" bets that they present as different on their own betting page. No definition of the word "identical" in their terms. "Which team wins the rest of the match" is a different bet than "final result"
-Contrary to what some have suggested here, they definitely do not refund losing identical bets, and that's perfectly in line with their terms: they "reserve the right" to cancel identical bets. So they CAN cancel them but not necessarily. Here the implied agreement is perhaps you are supposed to cancel the bets before the outcome? Because otherwise if the bet wins they cancel, if the bet loses they don't cancel, and that's what we call "scamming somebody for a bet", and the implied agreement when you deal with a decent human or organisation is that they're not supposed to scam you. If ALL identical bets were cancelled, that would have been another story.

Let anybody come and explain to me what "bets" 2, 3 and 4 are (please check my OP for the details of these bets). They are something destined to make you either lose in 95% of cases or get refunded in the best case. This is the very definition of a scam.

I was asked to respond here.

After reading most of the topic, including FortuneJack's response about their Terms, I won't Support the Flag that claims they "violated a casual or implied agreement".
I do think the Terms are shitty though. If certain bets are not allowed, cancel them before the match.

You should clarify this in your Terms and Conditions.

Great news: The regulator of FortuneJack, AntillePhone N.V., has been condemned to pay more than 500,000 dollars fine (excluding procedure fees) to a Turkish player on one of their licensees. The guy wins 175,000 dollars, and yet the operator considers this as a valid reason to lock him out of his account. I mean can you imagine? A Curacao judge, ordering a local company to pay a foreign individual.

https://www.curacaochronicle.com/post/local/antillephone-sentenced-to-more-than-half-a-million-dollars-in-damages/

The player got lucky he had a honest judge, but this only means one thing: on some of these crooked Curacao websites you'll have to win both your bet and a lawsuit to get some value for your deposit.

Please support my flag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=303298;page=iflags

Yeah kinda weird but that's what happened. I had an account without email so they asked me to send them email. But at that time I knew I was never going back because it is extremely stinky to get locked out of your account for "wrong password" and you know your credentials are correct....

I do not know 5Dimes. Even if things are improving a bit recently, I'd stay away from any casino "regulated" in Curacao. You'd need to win both your bet and a lawsuit to get paid for a deposit.

On the other hand I'd rather not deviate too much from the subject of this topic which is a scam accusation against FortuneJack

Hey there, you've come to the right place. Just check out 1xBit on this forum and you'll find a wealth of information. I'll be honest: I think they're much worse than fortunejack. Their spectrum of selective scamming seems to be much larger than that of FortuneJack. I myself made the mistake to play on 1xBit and got lucky to be paid, but at some point I was locked out of my account ("wrong password", which happens to a lot of people) but luckily had no money. If you have money by the time they lock you, good luck.

As far as some people defending FortuneJack, it might be a little shocking, I agree, and I first had the impression that this was terrible and why are they all against me etc but upon looking on the bigger picture, at least 90% supported me, even after FortuneJack posted their response. The people that came in swearing and cursing I discovered later were employees of FortuneJack promoting this scam (such as @Hhampuz)

I read this whole thread and it makes me sick to my stomach! These shameless fucks let you place a bet and after you win, they remove a big chunk of your winnings because "it violates their TOS"?? 99% of their user don't read a single word of their TOS, who does even have time for that crap? Why are some cocksuckers even defending FortuneJack here, I don't understand? Like are you supposed to feel good because they paid you less than 50%? Are you morons braindead? I fully support you dude. I can't believe such pathetic scums exist. I heard that casinos that are licensed in Caracao have the right to not even pay you if they don't want. Absolutely putrid. Thanks for this thread, I will never use this website. This is my first ever post. I came here to do some research about 1xbit. What's your experience with 1xbit?

Very interesting article to read about this case here:
https://www.cryptoinfowatch.com/is-fortunejack-a-panicky-casino-that-doesnt-pay-big-winnings/


Please support my flag here:
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Please support my flag. I'm a bit late to this but I didn't know such a system exists before I read recently about another scam with LTC Casino.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=303298;page=iflags


Players on FortuneJack, just beware, who are reading this, and who've read the 150+ pages of their sportsbook terms and conditions alone (without accounting for their general terms and conditions), a kind reminder:

-FortuneJack can decide to cancel any bets THEY consider identical, and that is after the outcome of the bet
-Contrary to what the FortuneJack representative claims, it could affect winnings below 100,000 euros. As a matter of fact, I got paid only 95,000 euros as FortuneJack representative rightly announced so, and all of my remaining bets that won were "cancelled" (And the lost bets, duplicate or not, were not cancelled)

Fun fact: the CEO of FortuneJack, Boris Kiknadze, is also the CEO of Orbital Gaming. Here's what you can read about Orbital Gaming: "Established in 2019, Orbital Gaming is an innovative game development company, which revolutionized and altered the traditional way of the gambling industry."

Do you understand what that even means? Well, here we have an example of "revolutionanizing and altering the traditional" way of gambling: when your bets are accepted, the bookmaker waits for the outcome of your bet. If you win, you get back your original bet. Isn't this revolutionary? Have you heard about such things in the "old traditional days?"

This is the new innovative way of gambling.

Fun Fact: The CEO of FortuneJack, Boris Kiknadze, who most likely is behind the decision to steal my winning bets, doesn't even put FortuneJack in his LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/boris-kiknadze/

Not so long ago, last December, he spoke publicly as the CEO of FortuneJack: https://twitter.com/World_GES/status/1430817431887519747/photo/1

Pretty new damning evidence against FortuneJack. But if this doesn't work with the regulator (that would be really surprising), I do not know how a court could rule against me. I will be giving updates as soon as I get a final ruling from the regulator.

A new complaint with the regulator has been opened since 4 to 5 days ago, as apparently I could contest the first ruling (which was done very quickly to be honest, am not sure they're aware my bets were cancelled after result). I made a simple summary of my bets and explained what happened in more details. No answer yet, but let's hope for the best. Same thing with another 88,000 euros complaint solved that got no answer as well, so I really hope they're working on this one.