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Topic: FortuneJack making 120,000 dollars disappear from my account! (Read 2729 times)

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I’m a bit busy these days, I should go to my archives and bring back the photos. If someone has them and can put them back great, if not I’ll be doing it shortly.

@Slow Death thank you for answering how this could be done. On the other hand you’re asking a lot of information that I just wouldn’t care sharing. This forum as I said, is mostly made of dishonest people (for the “hero” and “legendary” members mainly) who probably live in third world countries and fill this forum with their shit posts to get some dirty money from signature campaigns. They are incapable of helping anyone or doing anything good basically.
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Nonsense TOS have no legal value.the player will win the case without problems. the site can only delay the case but will lose and pay with the interest
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The pictures in the original post were visible for almost 2 years until very recently, anyone knows why? Can they just disappear like that by themselves?

you can find the answer here:

I think that what it is is that imgur added a new very restrictive per-IP limit on image downloads. So all ip.bitcointalk.org requests are blocked, but even many Tor exit nodes are being blocked, for example.

I'm not going to attempt to play some cat-and-mouse game with imgur, so people will just have to use a different service such as TalkImg.

source: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.62230993

here you have the solution to the problem:

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/talkimgcom-image-hosting-for-bitcointalk-5450546

I think I'm already repeating myself but it doesn't cost me anything to repeat what I wrote in this thread, you said that you denounced them in court, before you didn't say in which court the process is taking place, as if when you say in which court it is taking place the process would obstruct the progress of the process when that makes no sense, I have never heard anyone say that they cannot mention the name and location of the court in which a particular case is being heard because it will affect the process, that does not exist, mention details as:

1 - place where the process is running
2 - case number so that people can verify that there is an open case in court x or y or z
3 - possible dates for the trial and hearings with the judge
4 - how many auditions have been held so far between you, the judge and the casino

this will not jeopardize the progress of the process, this is not a secret of justice that you cannot disclose, because to remind you that you are accusing the casino in this forum, and you who created this thread, it is up to you to provide evidence, but at least I see you didn't put anything in the court, and I'll repeat once again that you're unlikely to be able to win this case because you agreed with their TOS and from what I could understand there was nothing scam, the court (if that's what you really put them in court ) will decide in favor of the casino and close the case and you will have spent money on a lawyer and wasted time instead of living your life and forgetting about them
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The pictures in the original post were visible for almost 2 years until very recently, anyone knows why? Can they just disappear like that by themselves?

Thank you @Alphie12 for pointing that out in this thread: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/fortunejackcom-ongoing-lawsuit-120k-usd-stolen-shady-practices-5449674
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I do not know what FortuneJack terms and conditions state about jurisdiction therefore if your lawsuit is proceeding, which country will it take place in and do you have a date for the hearing?

It takes place in Curacao. I am not giving any details on the lawsuit (for now), but for sure there are legal proceedings ongoing.

You're one of the very few respectable members here (even if you did not support my flag), nice to see you're still out there.
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Now I am getting it. It is not too late for Fortune-Jack to iron the issue. Because all what I see is misunderstanding.
Neither side is claiming it is a misunderstanding, in fact both are adamant they are correct and that is why they are unable to find a solution. There is still a chance this can get settled out of court privately but that would be up to both parties to find a way to do it.
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I have been rating them as one of the best casino in the casinos space. But from this issue, I can't say anything for now. The only people that can come and clear the air for this matter is Fortunejack casino and not even the manager in the forum but the representative of the ANN thread can also solve the anxiety. And since you sued them in the law court, let wait and see what will happen. Bit this is a simple issue the company would have solve without third party involvement.
They did respond to the issue through their official forum profile. In this thread and probably else where, In case you missed out on the responses
Check here;

1. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58318813
2. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58318691

I think we are quite certain what their position is regarding this issue.
Wow!!! This issue has been on ground for more than one year plus. Op was really handling the case from his private end. You is bringing it out because he could not bear it again and there were no good responses from Fortune-Jack and that made him to create threads. Now I am getting it. It is not too late for Fortune-Jack to iron the issue. Because all what I see is misunderstanding. From what Fortune-Jack is saying is that if their verification process has finished, the op deposit can be refunded. In any casino there policies which the gamblers must follow, and the op had some similar bets so they have to make the plus and minutes to refund the balance or canceled the game base on the terms and conditions.
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The interesting part is that PaperWallet replied to the post you added and he made several more posts in that threads as well as making other posts regarding the same issue elsewhere.

Keeping aside for a moment which party will win a potential Court case and also keeping aside for a moment the question of which party conducted themselves correctly in the scam allegation, if the OP has managed to get a lawyer to take this all the way to Court it might be the first time a member of this forum has done something like that and it could set a precedent.

I am sure if the case gets to Court, FortuneJack will be able to hire the best lawyers to defend themselves and will probably win and case but the OP seems determined to take this to Court. FortuneJack believe they did nothing wrong and the OP believes he did nothing wrong, maybe they will reach an agreement before it gets to Court.

I think we are quite certain what their position is regarding this issue.
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I have been rating them as one of the best casino in the casinos space. But from this issue, I can't say anything for now. The only people that can come and clear the air for this matter is Fortunejack casino and not even the manager in the forum but the representative of the ANN thread can also solve the anxiety. And since you sued them in the law court, let wait and see what will happen. Bit this is a simple issue the company would have solve without third party involvement.
They did respond to the issue through their official forum profile. In this thread and probably else where, In case you missed out on the responses
Check here;

1. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58318813
2. https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58318691

I think we are quite certain what their position is regarding this issue.
legendary
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I have been rating them as one of the best casino in the casinos space. But from this issue, I can't say anything for now. The only people that can come and clear the air for this matter is Fortunejack casino and not even the manager in the forum but the representative of the ANN thread can also solve the anxiety. And since you sued them in the law court, let wait and see what will happen. Bit this is a simple issue the company would have solve without third party involvement.
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If I recall correctly you once wrote that the licencing board in Curacao was not effective and refused to help you. If the situation has now proceeded to a lawsuit it shows you are very determined to fight in something you believe in and to present evidence to try to win your case in front of a judge.

Also, what is very important to note is that since FortuneJack have not settled with you out of Court it means they also are very determined to have their day in front of a Judge to prove they have no case to answer for and that they did nothing wrong.

I do not know what FortuneJack terms and conditions state about jurisdiction therefore if your lawsuit is proceeding, which country will it take place in and do you have a date for the hearing?

What's happening now is that justice will soon prevail, in my opinion, since the lawsuit is going forward. That's a lucky thing to get justice on this earth though.
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What's happening now is that justice will soon prevail, in my opinion, since the lawsuit is going forward. That's a lucky thing to get justice on this earth though.
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I am not sure if I can disclose anything about this case as far as legal process is going, so to stay on the safe side I'm not saying anything.

Though what's for sure is that I'm not going to make any deals with these thieves, it's going all the way through court until they pay. I'd rather lose the lawsuit than make a deal with thieves. And God is a witness of what happened.


Good approach man you can also tell your lawyer to write a latter to their domain names about this scam

I don't know what you mean, but what's for sure is that the only job my lawyer has is the ongoing lawsuit.
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I am not sure if I can disclose anything about this case as far as legal process is going, so to stay on the safe side I'm not saying anything.

Though what's for sure is that I'm not going to make any deals with these thieves, it's going all the way through court until they pay. I'd rather lose the lawsuit than make a deal with thieves. And God is a witness of what happened.


Good approach man you can also tell your lawyer to write a latter to their domain names about this scam
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I am not sure if I can disclose anything about this case as far as legal process is going, so to stay on the safe side I'm not saying anything.

Though what's for sure is that I'm not going to make any deals with these thieves, it's going all the way through court until they pay. I'd rather lose the lawsuit than make a deal with thieves. And God is a witness of what happened.
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How is the situation progressing OP?
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Just to be more precise about this case, because everything now has been more accurately calculated:

The amount stolen is exactly 108,132.04 euros, so even more than the approximate 100,000 euros previously stated.

As of now for them to get in order they'll also have to pay in addition to that interest and legal fees.
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Great news! It's official: The case is going to the Curaçao courts.
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And after that, can you point out in the same Terms and Conditions which parts of the contract FortuneJack claim were broken by you?
Please check on page 2 of this thread, what was written by the FortuneJack representative. He is falsely claiming that one player cannot win more 100,000 euros in sportsbets (and it's not 100k euros per one player, it's 100k euros per bet) although I had 2 different bets involved, which should make it 100,000 euros*2=200,000 euros.  

Upon checking their terms, it seems that they no longer have this term and that they changed them. They've already made their steal. You must agree not a lot of people have a 200k win on sports.

The terms haven't changed since that parts of the contract remains in the terms, as far as I can tell:

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If a User places several identical bets, the Company reserves the right to cancel similar ones and consider the first placed bet as active.

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The maximum payout (where the “payout” means the product of stake amount and the coefficient of the bet) that we shall be obliged to pay to You in respect of any single bet, shall be limited to and in no event shall exceed the amount of mBTC equivalent to EUR 100 000 (one hundred thousand) at the time of placing the bet (the “Maximum Payout Limit”). You acknowledge and agree that for certain Sportsbook Services your approved staking level may mean that You may have the apportunity to win above the Maximum Payout Limit. Also, the amount of the total winning, including the amount above the Maximum Payout Limit, may be deposited on Your Account. If the payout exceeds the Maximum Payout Limit, only the Maximum Payout Limit shall be granted. The term about the Maximum Payout Limit is specific to the sportsbook Services and prevails over the similar term contained in general Terms and Conditions, if any.
source: https://fortunejack.com/faq/sportsbook

These are the same parts of the terms that FortuneJack quoted in their reply on page two.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58318691


Ok thank you for pointing that out! So these are the terms they claim as an excuse to not pay 200,000 euros win for 2 bets, claiming the max win per one bet is 100,000 euros. Not to forget they accepted my bets, waited for 4 hours for the results of both matches, then decided to cancel the winning bets.
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And after that, can you point out in the same Terms and Conditions which parts of the contract FortuneJack claim were broken by you?
Please check on page 2 of this thread, what was written by the FortuneJack representative. He is falsely claiming that one player cannot win more 100,000 euros in sportsbets (and it's not 100k euros per one player, it's 100k euros per bet) although I had 2 different bets involved, which should make it 100,000 euros*2=200,000 euros.  

Upon checking their terms, it seems that they no longer have this term and that they changed them. They've already made their steal. You must agree not a lot of people have a 200k win on sports.

The terms haven't changed since that parts of the contract remains in the terms, as far as I can tell:

Quote
If a User places several identical bets, the Company reserves the right to cancel similar ones and consider the first placed bet as active.

Quote
The maximum payout (where the “payout” means the product of stake amount and the coefficient of the bet) that we shall be obliged to pay to You in respect of any single bet, shall be limited to and in no event shall exceed the amount of mBTC equivalent to EUR 100 000 (one hundred thousand) at the time of placing the bet (the “Maximum Payout Limit”). You acknowledge and agree that for certain Sportsbook Services your approved staking level may mean that You may have the apportunity to win above the Maximum Payout Limit. Also, the amount of the total winning, including the amount above the Maximum Payout Limit, may be deposited on Your Account. If the payout exceeds the Maximum Payout Limit, only the Maximum Payout Limit shall be granted. The term about the Maximum Payout Limit is specific to the sportsbook Services and prevails over the similar term contained in general Terms and Conditions, if any.
source: https://fortunejack.com/faq/sportsbook

These are the same parts of the terms that FortuneJack quoted in their reply on page two.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.58318691
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