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legendary
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However, we would like to thank for your feedback and added interest in our casino games, including the Provably Fair ones. The thoughts and intentions of the community is our top priority, as a result, we’ve requested them to consider the following concern of the user, regarding the client/server seed changes, and we will be updating it in the upcoming weeks, so everyone can feel safe while playing at the properties of FortuneJack.

Is this a real update in a few weeks, or will it end up like Adrenaline which has still not been fixed after more than a year (and apparently moved back to the real provably fair section which is a lie)?

Do you plan on ever fixing Adrenaline or do you plan on continuing to falsely advertise it as provably fair?
@DarkStar_

Thanks for mentioning the unfortunate issue we made while updating the old layout of the FJ website.

As for now, Adrenaline is removed from the Provably Fair category and will not be placed back to the same list unless the provider entirely updates it according to the PV standards.

Once again, sorry for the inconvenience - we're always open for the suggestions and criticisms of the crypto gambling community, as it's the only place, FortuneJack, as the company plans to build the authority as well trustworthiness. Don't hesitate to continue exploring the ins and outs of the games, providers and the overall platform as a whole, so our team can continue building the products that the audience loves and enjoys playing with.

Thanks for taking action  Smiley
I hope it is actually fixed sooner than later. It shouldn't be too difficult to do, just copy the very good bustabit implementation that many other sites have used for that style of game.
legendary
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However, we would like to thank for your feedback and added interest in our casino games, including the Provably Fair ones. The thoughts and intentions of the community is our top priority, as a result, we’ve requested them to consider the following concern of the user, regarding the client/server seed changes, and we will be updating it in the upcoming weeks, so everyone can feel safe while playing at the properties of FortuneJack.

Is this a real update in a few weeks, or will it end up like Adrenaline which has still not been fixed after more than a year (and apparently moved back to the real provably fair section which is a lie)?

Do you plan on ever fixing Adrenaline or do you plan on continuing to falsely advertise it as provably fair?




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@DarkStar_

Thanks for mentioning the unfortunate issue we made while updating the old layout of the FJ website.

As for now, Adrenaline is removed from the Provably Fair category and will not be placed back to the same list unless the provider entirely updates it according to the PV standards.

Once again, sorry for the inconvenience - we're always open for the suggestions and criticisms of the crypto gambling community, as it's the only place, FortuneJack, as the company plans to build the authority as well trustworthiness. Don't hesitate to continue exploring the ins and outs of the games, providers and the overall platform as a whole, so our team can continue building the products that the audience loves and enjoys playing with.
legendary
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Good work webtricks and DarkStar_ in bringing up these things. I know FJ are decent people, and believe they don't mean to do all these things, because even for us here in crypto (or myself anyway) it took me a while to understand what provably fair meant. But if we don't remind them, they'll forget. I have seen a few things here not answered and they're not generally so important but PF is a big issue for us. Let's wait and see.
legendary
Activity: 1918
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However, we would like to thank for your feedback and added interest in our casino games, including the Provably Fair ones. The thoughts and intentions of the community is our top priority, as a result, we’ve requested them to consider the following concern of the user, regarding the client/server seed changes, and we will be updating it in the upcoming weeks, so everyone can feel safe while playing at the properties of FortuneJack.

Is this a real update in a few weeks, or will it end up like Adrenaline which has still not been fixed after more than a year (and apparently moved back to the real provably fair section which is a lie)?

Do you plan on ever fixing Adrenaline or do you plan on continuing to falsely advertise it as provably fair?


Yesterday I sent a personal message to FJ to inquire if the matter is closed from their end so I can make my final statement and whether they wanna stick to the statement that 'they still consider current Dice probably fair even though they are ready to change the implementation in next update'.

To which I got the reply that they are still looking into the additional insights I provided in post number #8528 and will get back to me on 3rd September. Let's see what reply they come up with.
legendary
Activity: 2772
Merit: 3284
However, we would like to thank for your feedback and added interest in our casino games, including the Provably Fair ones. The thoughts and intentions of the community is our top priority, as a result, we’ve requested them to consider the following concern of the user, regarding the client/server seed changes, and we will be updating it in the upcoming weeks, so everyone can feel safe while playing at the properties of FortuneJack.

Is this a real update in a few weeks, or will it end up like Adrenaline which has still not been fixed after more than a year (and apparently moved back to the real provably fair section which is a lie)?

Do you plan on ever fixing Adrenaline or do you plan on continuing to falsely advertise it as provably fair?
newbie
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Can someone please help me?

I am deaf and in a wheelchair. I am currently confined to my home due to having COVID. I made a deposit at FortuneJack and won without a bonus. They are denying my withdrawal because I used a sms services instead of a registered phone. I explained to them I do not own a phone because I am deaf and disabled so I send and received texts thru sms services. I play at various casinos with the same method and none of them have ever gave me any problems. I read thru this thread and see FJ will allow players to signup thru VPNs but would deny me because I used SMS services? Will someone help me? Help me somebody.



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Hey @Winnie33 ,

After reviewing the case related to your account, our fraud department has found out that it violates FortuneJack's Terms and Conditions.

Despite the fact of breaking the rules, we're ready to release the DEPOSIT amount back to your wallet. There's nothing to be done on our end.

After the confirmation, we will have to terminate the user according to the existing policy, listed publicly onto the website.

Check your inbox
legendary
Activity: 3038
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Meh.
This is sad you all are doing this disabled person like this. They said they were deaf and was suffering from Corona. Yet you still are going to punish them because they used a SMS service? Fortune Jack has sunk to a new all-time low. Especially if they used their own money to win. This right here is along with you just being busted for cheating your players, is a good reason why people needs to avoid this casino.  

I'm surprised you can even form comprehensive replies in this thread considering you are both blind and delusional.

The ignore button was made specially for people like you and I'm about to add you to it.

So do it? lmao. Doesn't change the fact that you've been here for years twisting everything anyone ever says and made yourself out to look like an idiot.
hero member
Activity: 1299
Merit: 502
This is sad you all are doing this disabled person like this. They said they were deaf and was suffering from Corona. Yet you still are going to punish them because they used a SMS service? Fortune Jack has sunk to a new all-time low. Especially if they used their own money to win. This right here is along with you just being busted for cheating your players, is a good reason why people needs to avoid this casino. 

I'm surprised you can even form comprehensive replies in this thread considering you are both blind and delusional.

The ignore button was made specially for people like you and I'm about to add you to it.
hero member
Activity: 1299
Merit: 502
Can someone please help me?

I am deaf and in a wheelchair. I am currently confined to my home due to having COVID. I made a deposit at FortuneJack and won without a bonus. They are denying my withdrawal because I used a sms services instead of a registered phone. I explained to them I do not own a phone because I am deaf and disabled so I send and received texts thru sms services. I play at various casinos with the same method and none of them have ever gave me any problems. I read thru this thread and see FJ will allow players to signup thru VPNs but would deny me because I used SMS services? Will someone help me? Help me somebody.

Sorry that you had to experience this from this casino group. But if you look around they are known for making up excuses to void wins and they are known for stalling payment. I knew when they was trying to charge people to withdraw winnings this was a telltale sign to STOP depositing with them. I hope you get better from the CoronaVirus its a nasty disease and I have had family and friends to die from it. I for one will be boycotting this casino from here on out. Shame on Fortune Jack!
legendary
Activity: 3038
Merit: 6194
Meh.
This is sad you all are doing this disabled person like this. They said they were deaf and was suffering from Corona. Yet you still are going to punish them because they used a SMS service? Fortune Jack has sunk to a new all-time low. Especially if they used their own money to win. This right here is along with you just being busted for cheating your players, is a good reason why people needs to avoid this casino. 

I'm surprised you can even form comprehensive replies in this thread considering you are both blind and delusional.
hero member
Activity: 1299
Merit: 502
Can someone please help me?

I am deaf and in a wheelchair. I am currently confined to my home due to having COVID. I made a deposit at FortuneJack and won without a bonus. They are denying my withdrawal because I used a sms services instead of a registered phone. I explained to them I do not own a phone because I am deaf and disabled so I send and received texts thru sms services. I play at various casinos with the same method and none of them have ever gave me any problems. I read thru this thread and see FJ will allow players to signup thru VPNs but would deny me because I used SMS services? Will someone help me? Help me somebody.



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Hey @Winnie33 ,

After reviewing the case related to your account, our fraud department has found out that it violates FortuneJack's Terms and Conditions.

Despite the fact of breaking the rules, we're ready to release the DEPOSIT amount back to your wallet. There's nothing to be done on our end.

After the confirmation, we will have to terminate the user according to the existing policy, listed publicly onto the website.

This is sad you all are doing this disabled person like this. They said they were deaf and was suffering from Corona. Yet you still are going to punish them because they used a SMS service? Fortune Jack has sunk to a new all-time low. Especially if they used their own money to win. This right here is along with you just being busted for cheating your players, is a good reason why people needs to avoid this casino. 
legendary
Activity: 2352
Merit: 1204
www.fortunejack.com
Can someone please help me?

I am deaf and in a wheelchair. I am currently confined to my home due to having COVID. I made a deposit at FortuneJack and won without a bonus. They are denying my withdrawal because I used a sms services instead of a registered phone. I explained to them I do not own a phone because I am deaf and disabled so I send and received texts thru sms services. I play at various casinos with the same method and none of them have ever gave me any problems. I read thru this thread and see FJ will allow players to signup thru VPNs but would deny me because I used SMS services? Will someone help me? Help me somebody.



-
Hey @Winnie33 ,

After reviewing the case related to your account, our fraud department has found out that it violates FortuneJack's Terms and Conditions.

Despite the fact of breaking the rules, we're ready to release the DEPOSIT amount back to your wallet. There's nothing to be done on our end.

After the confirmation, we will have to terminate the user according to the existing policy, listed publicly onto the website.
newbie
Activity: 2
Merit: 0
Can someone please help me?

I am deaf and in a wheelchair. I am currently confined to my home due to having COVID. I made a deposit at FortuneJack and won without a bonus. They are denying my withdrawal because I used a sms services instead of a registered phone. I explained to them I do not own a phone because I am deaf and disabled so I send and received texts thru sms services. I play at various casinos with the same method and none of them have ever gave me any problems. I read thru this thread and see FJ will allow players to signup thru VPNs but would deny me because I used SMS services? Will someone help me? Help me somebody.
legendary
Activity: 2352
Merit: 1204
www.fortunejack.com
Fortunejack whats happen whith yuor hight odds on LIVE BASKETBALL ?
when i start betting here. that was ods like 1.95-1.95 for live NBA and other top basketball matches! after  change to 1.91 - 1.91  - its ok! it still good odds!
and now  1.83 - 1.83 !!!  for NBA Women
realy!?
why did you make it so low?

also before you had bonuses for those who bet on sports! now there is none of this !!!
I don't want to go to another bookmaker! but odds like 1.83 - 1.83 are worse than any bookmaker using same platform  (same like Betcoin.ag, Sportsbet.io, Playbetr.com) !!!
You are forcing me (and other users) to leave you and place bets with another bookmaker!

Can you get the odds back on basketball like it used to? well, or make them the same as those of your competitors?

Please answer - you are no longer interested in accepting sports bets? Are you planning to make normal odds, no lower than your competitors?

all I can say about the Fortunejack bookmaker is its very high reliability! I have never had any problems with payments, and I keep up to 0.8BTC on my account and am not afraid to lose them.

But, when I have a choice where to bet 1.83-1.83 (fortunjack) or 1.9 - 1.9 (betcoin.ag ) - my choice is obvious! If you don’t change it back as it was, then I (and other players) will have to go to another bookmaker !!!

please return as it was before or do the same as your competitors! I do not want to leave...

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👋 @MishaYo,


Thanks for providing the feedback. From time to time, we do update the odds, depending onto the market changes.

As for now, they're regulated and standing still according to the current bookmaker's trends. Feel free to let me know if there's anything that I can guide you with - will gladly assist you.
newbie
Activity: 148
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Fortunejack whats happen whith yuor hight odds on LIVE BASKETBALL ?
when i start betting here. that was ods like 1.95-1.95 for live NBA and other top basketball matches! after  change to 1.91 - 1.91  - its ok! it still good odds!
and now  1.83 - 1.83 !!!  for NBA Women
realy!?
why did you make it so low?

also before you had bonuses for those who bet on sports! now there is none of this !!!
I don't want to go to another bookmaker! but odds like 1.83 - 1.83 are worse than any bookmaker using same platform  (same like Betcoin.ag, Sportsbet.io, Playbetr.com) !!!
You are forcing me (and other users) to leave you and place bets with another bookmaker!

Can you get the odds back on basketball like it used to? well, or make them the same as those of your competitors?

Please answer - you are no longer interested in accepting sports bets? Are you planning to make normal odds, no lower than your competitors?

all I can say about the Fortunejack bookmaker is its very high reliability! I have never had any problems with payments, and I keep up to 0.8BTC on my account and am not afraid to lose them.

But, when I have a choice where to bet 1.83-1.83 (fortunjack) or 1.9 - 1.9 (betcoin.ag ) - my choice is obvious! If you don’t change it back as it was, then I (and other players) will have to go to another bookmaker !!!

please return as it was before or do the same as your competitors! I do not want to leave...

?
legendary
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What webtricks says is true and it's been pointed out many times before. RNG systems are the current implementations of fairness. They need to be audited and then they need to be checked every now and then but this is NOT provably fair, because we still need to trust a third party in this case Orbital Labs.

So maybe just change the sectioning and not call it provably fair:)
hero member
Activity: 1299
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FJ has been cheating its players for years. I and others have pointed this out. They knew full well what they were doing.
legendary
Activity: 1918
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^  Somebody hire this guy.  He seems to know his stuff.  And the way you went about the whole thing should be an example of what to do, being constructive about it and all...  It keeps the sites on their toes but they improve their service at the same time.  Good job.

Thanks @tokeweed. I appreciate your words.
legendary
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^  Somebody hire this guy.  He seems to know his stuff.  And the way you went about the whole thing should be an example of what to do, being constructive about it and all...  It keeps the sites on their toes but they improve their service at the same time.  Good job.
legendary
Activity: 1918
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The vast majority of the casinos, building, running and implementing the Provably Fair games, use the same methodology that our platform does. The new dice game was publicly released only after successfully meeting the requirements of the industry standards, leading to us having the official certification of doing it so (Certificate issued by ITech Labs - Random Number Generator (RNG) by Orbital LLC and found that the RNG complies with the relevant standards).
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Okay! Since you mentioned Random Number Generator (RNG) and Certification by ITech Labs, I should explain how RNG and Provably Fair system are two different concepts and contribute differently to the Fairness.

What is Random Number Generator (RNG)?

RNG algorithm is used to make sure that the results are:
  • unpredictable
  • non-repeatable
  • uniformly distributed

Casino decides a starting seed which in unknown to the public. Then uses popular hashing algorithm like SHA-1, SHA-2 to generate hashes for the successive rounds of betting. It is more of a precautionary step for Casino (host) than for Player. If results are based on RNG, casino can make sure that players don't anticipate the pattern of result generation by studying large number of bets because every bet is unpredictable, non-repeatable and uniformly distributed than the previous one. However, RNG Certificate doesn't prove that Casino is following the RNG Algorithm too because it is no way possible for player to verify the process of seed generation since it is done in back-end.

In order to involve player in the result generation process and ensure that player can verify the results, Provably Fair Algorithm is followed.

Now I am citing the text from the whitepaper of Crypto Gambling Foundation:

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• hostSeed: Shall be kept in secret until the end of a particular game. Similar to a private key in asymmetrical cryptography.
• publicSeed: Players should only generate or contribute to it (with equal amounts of influence) after a commitment (e.g. cryptographic hash) of hostSeed has been broadcast to every participant of a particular game.

Remark 2.1.1. Broadcasting a commitment of hostSeed amongst players not only protects hostSeed from being revealed early, but serves as a verification of integrity, proving that during a game, hostSeed could not have been tampered without notice.

Using a mix of the entire hostSeed and publicSeed (e.g. by concatenating them) as an initialization parameter for randomization, every participant may have an influence on the outcome of results, with a negligible chance of manipulation in favor of any entity.
Source: https://cryptogambling.org/whitepapers/provably-fair-algorithms.pdf

Ok! Now I want you guys to read the above text at least 2 times and then decide if current implementation of FortuneJack is Provably Fair or not.

What is Crypto Gambling Foundation?

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The Crypto Gambling Foundation prides itself in the verification and promotion of genuine true fair gambling operators. Through our processes and strict ideologies, players can know that the operators are running a completely transparent gambling experiences, and operators can not only evaluate their operators and coding, but also benchmark their practices with those industry leaders who are paving the way for the future of online gambling.
To be a verified operator by us, means that we have evaluated the provably fair algorithm built into these providers platform to be true and fair. As a player, it’s always best practice practice to also test and verify the fairness of your bets regularly to ensure further integrity checks.

There are several reputable casinos which have verified their Provably Fair Script from Crypto Gambling Foundation namely, bustabit, primedice, Stake, cyberdice, rocket.run, bustadice, Crypto.Games, DuckDice, OneHash, BitVest and BC.Game.

You were talking about industry standards, this is Provably Fair Standard and if FortuneJack passes this standard with current implementation, I will keep quiet and won't accept any gift/reward. But I am 100% sure that FortuneJack will fail this standard because hostSeed changes after the change of publicSeed.



I am not doubting FortuneJack and not accusing you guys of cheating the players. I am fully convinced that you guys are surely following RNG mechanism while computing Server Seeds for the players. But if you guys are claiming that you are Provably Fair too then make sure that you are following the most appropriate standard of Provably Fair. This should be your flow of determining bet result as per Provably Fair System:

Step 1: Generate a server seed using Random Number Generator (RNG) algorithm.
Step 2: Generate  SHA-256 hash of the server seed (i.e. generated in step 1).
Step 3: Generate next server seed following RNG algorithm.
Step 4: Generate  SHA-256 hash of the next server seed (i.e. generated in step 3).
Step 5: Generate a client seed using front-end javascript of user's browser.
Step 6: Show SHA-256 of the server seed (generated in Step 2), SHA-256 of the next server seed (generated in Step 4) and client seed (generated in Step 5) to the user.

Now if user decides to change the client seed, he will have the SHA-256 of next server seed and can rely that casino is not cheating because casino is already committed to the server seed generated in Step 3 for next bet.
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