Topic: FreeBitco.in-$200 FreeBTC⭐Win Lambo🔥0.2BTC DailyJackpot🏆$32,500 Wager Contest - page 1254. (Read 559465 times)

That's a coincidence, the reason I had a chat with him yesterday was that he came up with an idea for a new promotion and he wanted to ask my opinion on it. It's not a one-off event, it is going to be a monthly promotion. Anyway, after that, I got to thinking we should do something special for our 5th birthday when it comes later this year, (around October 29th IIRC) so I'm going to mention that to him as well.

Let's ask Wetsuit if it is possible to add some special rewards during some of these festivities?

This I also don't understand. It should be logique that whenever you find a person using a botnet or cheating and you ban them that he loses all his earnings. By still paying out these banned members they will keep on creating new accounts etc...

But how can you remove those detection if there is a solving captcha which will counter the bot? I believe this is pretty good enough whenever you want to use bot because it prevents them for stealing the faucet mode but how can it still be abused if you already put protection? So you mean that to avoid this, you just blocked them like that? And later you will processed their account by asking them to make a deposit to make sure they are for real?

Giving regulations would be the same as giving instructions to the botters as how to avoid detection. It's not as simple as the number of times in a day, a few people are being blocked because they match the same pattern a very large botnet was using.

The problem with just using the ban hammer approach alone is that we always allow everyone to withdraw regardless of what they were banned for. I need to speak to wetsuit to understand his reasoning for doing that. But it means the bots don't lose anything and just make new accounts to start again.

Some of us oldies still play but statistically speaking newer accounts have a much higher probability of being active. That's why they win more often. If you go back through the history you will see some older accounts have won prizes. I'm looking forward to the day I win and everyone claims it's fixed as result. 

Just a coincidence IMO, the winners could be any members no matter they are new or old members. You may say the opposite thing if you see that the winners are mostly old members.
The chance is obviously based on how many tickets you own for every round but the luck decide who will be the winners. So just keep on playing no matter you are claiming free tickets or buying it with deposit.

Is it only me who noticed that in the last 3 Lottery games, the majority of winner's IDs are mostly newer profiles? I figured it out based on the profile IDs with 8 digits and starting 11******, 12****** and 13******
Especially in the 154th round. Is it because old players don't play anymore? Or there's another explanation. For example my profile ID is 7 digits and starts with 309****. I've created my account last year. I've almost never seen an old lplayer like me among the lottery winners. is there any explanation upon this? I'm simply wondering. Nothing personal.

Is it because old players don't play anymore?

Then, regarding solosss madness. I do not agree with how he is expressing himself, but I do consider the possibility of the site taking extreme measures to stop bots. Most of the time this measures comes with high collateral damage (as we are seeing for the last 10-20 posts).

IMHO, I prefer to be part of collateral damage from a hammer-ban (and ask for support to restore such account) than the site manipulating rolls or cheating for the sake of stopping bots by cutting profits to everyone (bots and humans).

Every faucet would be at least 10 times bigger than it is today if there weren't  bots out there.

Licensed by whom? A government authority that inspects an RNG once a year? No thanks, I'll stick to provably fair sites where I can verify for myself if they are cheating.

First of all, I didn't directly accuse that FreeBitco is manipulating the Rolls because I wouldn't be taken seriously if I did so.
It's better to provide all the information necessary so you can check it by yourselves and even maybe convince FreeBitco to improve their system.


I will explain this in two stages:
First the current (and exploitable) implementation:

1) You Login into FreeBitco and click on the "THIS GAME IS PROVABLY FAIR!"
2) In this screen, the Server *promises* that it will calculate the next roll using your Client Seed + next Nonce + Server Seed. (Server sends you the Hash of that seed so you can check it later, that's perfectly implemented).
3) You save the server seed hash and you hit Roll.
4) The server does all the math. Using the Client Seed, the Nonce, and the secret Server Seed.
5) Then here is where the server MAY say: Oh wait.. I do not like this roll. Let's use the Client Seed, the Nonce, but let's break the promise of which Seed we were going to use.
6) You verify your bet using the bet History (which was saved by the Server). The math here rounds up perfectly and the game seems provably-fair.

There are two problems for you with this implementation regarding how can you verify that you were cheated:
1) You will need to do this for probably thousands of rolls until the server attempts to cheat on you.
2) Once you eventually find a discrepancy, you will be left proof-less and alone. The server promised you it was going to use Hash111 but ended up using Hash222, in the History it stored Hash222 for you to verify/share the bet result.


Now, here is the basic idea on how it should be implemented:

1) Server generates a new secret Seed. Sets the Nonce to 0. And returns you the SHA256 of that Seed.
2) When you roll, you provide your own Client seed to the server.
3) The server calculates the roll using it's secret seed + nonce + client seed.
4) Server increases the Nonce by one. And keeps the same server seed for the next roll.
5) If I want to verify my bets (and only if I ask for it). The server reveals it's secret seed to me and re-executes step 1 for future rolls.
6) The server should add an entry to the history saying that I manually requested the server to reveal the seed.

This way, the server should be able to calculate all rolls without changing the promised seed unless you ask for the seed. Also, you don't need to save each server seed hash and compare it with the one used in the rolls history.
(It can still cheat you into saying you asked for the Seed for verifying before you actually rolled and thus generating a losing seed)
But at least this way it will be way more visible for you to see if your are being cheated, because you will see that the server changed the seed without you asking to reveal the seed.

It's not perfect. But this way it will be extremely hard for them to conceal the cheating.
To compensate the problem of this proposed approach, an option is that the server provides and resets the server Seed and Nonce every week. This way the server cannot cheat the History by saying that you requested the seed for verifying when you didn't.
You will only be able to verify your bets every week, but it can be optional with a setup with a cooldown.


Sorry for the delayed response. I'll do my best to answer all the details.

I do exactly the same thing like you. I have disabled lotery tickets to have more reward points and I always buy 50 tickets for the lottery. Hopefully one day we will be lucky  .

well, you are in violation of your own rules, advertise bot sites for gambling. (despite the fact that the rules of the site prohibit any bots).

unlike you, I teach people to trade, to earn on trade, it is trade-the main source of profit, not faucet.

The fact that users decide to play-so it's only their decision, I do not force them to lose. Moreover, recently I was convinced that you have dishonest mechanisms, if you play, only on licensed gambling games, and not on self-made, which you can twist as you like.

For someone who claims to be knowledgeable on the matter, you seem to have missed that automatic captcha solving on a large scale is extremely resource intensive. They have hosting costs to cover.

You're someone who makes money from advertising the illusion of free money with your bot that uses very expensive captcha solvers. They pay the fees and you take the referral income. Then they lose 2x more than they claimed from the faucet gambling and you pocket the referral income on that as well. You certainly are a hypocrite to accuse us.

Write that botnet have cost recognition captchas - even though everyone knows what a botnet is software for captcha recognition, which recognizes free.

#solosss please stop posting nonsense. Why would the owner of the most successful faucet/gambling site want to close down their site and disappear for $50-$100 deposits? The site generate a shitload of money from the gambling side of this site and possibly from the "deposits" too.

Just imagine if they have say 100 000 active users and each of these users deposited $100 on the "Saving account", then that would amount to $10,000,000. They give 4% interest to the users, but they might get 6% to 10% interest from some other investment. So after interest of 4% is paid to the user, they take say 2%, which equals $200,000 per year.

This does not even include the gambling returns and the income from the mining operation.