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It doesn't matter what percentage it is. If someone is doing something wrong, they WILL be told about it.


If you are running a business or a trade, you BETTER well know what the hell you are doing. And, again, if you don't, and you fuck up, you WILL be told about it. Right now everyone just sits on their hands, and hopes someone else (the regulatory agency in government) tells you about it.


Like I said, you're an idiot who thinks everyone else is, too. Do you need the government to tell you that you feel bad ON TOP of telling you how to behave, too?


Public school. Very socialist, moderately socialist, and religious, throughout the years. Community college, public university, and other studies. Lots of reading and books from a very young age (I started reading books when I was 3). Slow evolution from hard-left socialist through moderate socialist, to "we only need government for defense," and finally to "fuck it, AnCap will happen whether we want it to or not, might as well embrace it."
How about you?


I don't have to, because the question ignored my original statement. Let me repost it with bolding relevant parts:

You don't have to have a contract to understand that you will be seriously fucked with if you fuck someone else over. And no government or regulation is required for it.

The fallacy in your answer is where you use the boldfaced phrase. When you say others, are you referring to a percentage of the population? If so, what about the remaining percentage? The other fallacy in your argument is the assumption you make that every person out there actually knows every mistake they might be making. The world is indeed more complex that it was back in the day when Cro-Magnon man hunted on the icy banks of rivers in Eastern Europe.

Regulations are important in today's world of industry and population density. Can you think why? Or are you indeed one of those who doesn't actually know all the cause and effects of actions within today's societies, economies and the natural ecosystems? How much do you know? The reality is, nobody expects that much from you in terms of knowledge, but instead, it's expected that you should accept some regulations instead.

Please share with me the general sources of learning you have been the recipient of, to come by your views. Are they balanced? Are they biased? Are they well known? Are they critically acclaimed? What citations do these sources have?

Oh, and please answer those questions about the contracts.

Just because YOU can't see the point of being a good person so others leave you alone and want to interact, socialize, and trade with you, doesn't mean others can't. As I said, you have some really fucked up views of what people actually are like. You don't actually carry a set of law tomes with you to refer to when you are going on with your day-to-day interactions with people do you?

Freedom is doing what you want, and knowing that there are consequences for doing things others may not want. Those consequences may in turn limit your freedom, and are not limited to legal consequences, because legal consequences often limit the freedom of others to get their justice as well.

Lethn, no derailment is occurring here. We're discussing what freedom is, and how one's idea of freedom doesn't measure up. I asked the above fellow three questions. I'm awaiting his answer.

Now tell me this (and I am vary serious). How is it that because you reside in a forum that is mostly a niche crowd, that you feel intelligent when you gang up on the few who don't hold your niche views? Are you not able to hold your own in a debate by yourself? Say, just you and me. Can you do that?

I challenge you to answer the three questions I asked above. Or are you also an angry and misinformed individual?

The anger is evident in this post:


The misinformed aspect is evident in his malformed ideas of contracts.

Irony alert

FirstAscent, stop trying to troll and derail threads just because when you are on topic you get your arse kicked in a debate.

In general, there are not. You do shit. Everyone else suffers a little bit because of it. But I don't see the reality of everyone of those individuals having a contract with you. Do you?

You and 50 of your friends do shit. Everyone else suffers a little bit because of it. But I don't see the reality of everyone of those individuals having a contract with you and  50 of your friends. Do you?

50 percent of the world's population does shit. Everyone else suffers a little bit because of it. But I don't see the reality of 3.5 billion individuals having a contract with the rest of the world's population. Do you?


You're behaving like an angry and misinformed individual. I feel sorry for you.

For causal relationships, there are agreements, understandings, and contracts. Moving on.


LOL! Because you say so?

Freedom is... not giving a shit what some power-hungry psychopath says, or whom he wishes would control you.

But true. I have since edited it further.

rofl

FTFY

a word that has no meaning out side of specific contexts. (i.e. i have the freedom to ____) What you mean to say is liberty not freedom.

so what is liberty? liberty is the *freedom* to pursue your own ends free from coercion so long as your means are not responsible for coercing other individuals.

That works when there is no causal relationship between you and the rest of society.

Freedom is being able to protect myself however I want to and to be able to make as much money as I want to without anyone telling me how I can or cannot do it.

Freedom is... When you don't consider "rights" to be freedoms you were given, but freedoms that were always there.

I agree with you there. I was referring changing speed limits and not paying attention to the posted signs.

Ignorance of the law is only a defense granted to, and by, the government itself. "Those who enforce the law cannot possibly be expected to know what civil rights are!" is their effective refrain.

That is a very dangerous idea. If a law is not self evident, or someone doesn't understand why what they are doing is inherently wrong, it's a horrible law. Mainly because it gives governments the power to pass arbitrary laws without actual legal purpose, for the sole reason of arresting people. Thats the way Soviet Russia worked and achieved power early on when it was arresting anyone those in power deemed enemies of the state.

something sociopaths have no business even thinking about, let alone defining.

Freedom is a concept. True freedom can never really exist, because the freedoms of one will always impinge on the freedoms of others.

Myrkul's mindless post is an example of him engaging in deflection. Or perhaps he really is as dumb as a bag of hammers. Note that in his question, it really appears that he does not have a clue what a speeding ticket is for. Just to clarify, and I hope I don't need to embellish in further posts: speeders, if not punished, continue to speed until an accident might kill others, such as pedestrians (it has happened) or individuals in other cars who were obeying the speed limit. It's rather unfathomable that myrkul really doesn't appear to understand this.