You want to tell me what good a speeding ticket does the person who is harmed as a result of a driver speeding? (Assuming anyone is actually harmed... and if not, who gives a fuck?)
Victimless crimes FTW.
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Victimless crimes FTW.
You want to tell me what good a speeding ticket does the person who is harmed as a result of a driver speeding? (Assuming anyone is actually harmed... and if not, who gives a fuck?)
Its cumulative so maybe not today or tomorrow, but some day the motorist might hurt someone by their speeding, so if you continue to ticket them when they speed, it usually encourages them to slow down. It is the deceleration impact that kills people and the person going faster has the advantage in these cases. That is one of the reason we have speeding laws.
Though I wonder why uniformity trumps fairness.
Fairness cannot exist without uniform application.
I see, so we should make the speed limits in all the US states the same? Otherwise they're not fair, right?
Wow. What a weak comeback. I doubt one freeway will feel that it got unfair treatment as opposed to another freeway.
Not really. Both encounter the same speed limit on the same highway.
But it's not uniform from highway to highway! What if on one highway, the speed limit is 65, but on the other, it's 55? A motorist traveling from one highway to another could get charged with speeding for doing something that was not before he took the exit. And a motorist traveling from Highway to city streets suffers even more stiff penalties for doing something that was perfectly legal only moments before. It's madness, I tell you.
Ignorance of a law is not a defense.
Though I wonder why uniformity trumps fairness.
Fairness cannot exist without uniform application.
I see, so we should make the speed limits in all the US states the same? Otherwise they're not fair, right? And we should make the highway speeds the same as the city street speeds. That's fair, right?
No, just an equal application of the posted speed limited law.
... being able to not give a shit about what the other guy thinks freedom is.
I had a friend in school who died in a car crash, the reality is that these kind of deaths that you talk about don't happen as often as mainstream media claim...
Couldn't get past the quoted part. You're basing your claims from data taken from a world where there are speed limits and people get tickets for speeding. You sound somewhat immature, and you're the last person I'd like to have driving down the road near me sans speed limits and speeding tickets.
lol I am immature, but not in the way you think, I'm not the one who's being an opportunistic twat like a number of other people on this forum and trying to politically stampede people because of a certain recent events, I think both sides are being pathetic.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/14/mortality-statistics-causes-death-england-wales-2009
While this is 2009, it's still pretty damn recent, I'm sure you could find more recent data, but it shows that we die here in the UK more from disease and GASP! mental health disorder and disease than a bloody car or even inanimate objects in general, maybe we should be doing more about mental health than speeding etc.? Anyway, that's as much as I want to talk about the subject on an unrelated thread, go make your battleground some place else, but I suspect you're running around in other threads because you're getting your arse kicked by Science and Math.
So you present a case where you want deaths reduced, and simultaneously argue against effective measures to reduce deaths through speed limits. Very strange.
Here's a hint: Explore methods to reduce deaths. That's a good thing. But don't be counterproductive at the same time.
I had a friend in school who died in a car crash, the reality is that these kind of deaths that you talk about don't happen as often as mainstream media claim...
Couldn't get past the quoted part. You're basing your claims from data taken from a world where there are speed limits and people get tickets for speeding. You sound somewhat immature, and you're the last person I'd like to have driving down the road near me sans speed limits and speeding tickets.
lol I am immature, but not in the way you think, I'm not the one who's being an opportunistic twat like a number of other people on this forum and trying to politically stampede people because of a certain recent events, I think both sides are being pathetic.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/14/mortality-statistics-causes-death-england-wales-2009
While this is 2009, it's still pretty damn recent, I'm sure you could find more recent data, but it shows that we die here in the UK more from disease and GASP! mental health disorder and disease than a bloody car or even inanimate objects in general, maybe we should be doing more about mental health than speeding etc.? Anyway, that's as much as I want to talk about the subject on an unrelated thread, go make your battleground some place else, but I suspect you're running around in other threads because you're getting your arse kicked by Science and Math.
I had a friend in school who died in a car crash, the reality is that these kind of deaths that you talk about don't happen as often as mainstream media claim...
Couldn't get past the quoted part. You're basing your claims from data taken from a world where there are speed limits and people get tickets for speeding. You sound somewhat immature, and you're the last person I'd like to have driving down the road near me sans speed limits and speeding tickets.
What a coincidence. I wouldn't trust you in a "reasonable and prudent" speed zone, either. Unless some authority tells you what and how, you're lost. I kinda feel sad for you.
I had a friend in school who died in a car crash, the reality is that these kind of deaths that you talk about don't happen as often as mainstream media claim...
Couldn't get past the quoted part. You're basing your claims from data taken from a world where there are speed limits and people get tickets for speeding. You sound somewhat immature, and you're the last person I'd like to have driving down the road near me sans speed limits and speeding tickets.
I had a friend in school who died in a car crash, the reality is that these kind of deaths that you talk about don't happen as often as mainstream media claim, most people go about there lives perfectly happy without hurting anyone, it's all just bullshit sensationalism to make laws far tighter than they even need to be. I live in the UK where there are quite literally speed camera's anywhere, you think those fuckers ever gave a shit about my friend? No, they place them at the top of hills when you're about to accelerate to try and catch you off guard and then at the bottom when you're going to be going a bit faster than you normally would because of gravity. It's all just designed to make the government money with fines, in reality all it's going to do is make people more nervous than they need to be when they drive because they have more things to concentrate on. Oh and you think speeding and guns are the only fucking thing that get people killed? If I hadn't been on the look out and checking carefully before I exited places etc. I could very well have knocked over a good dozen of pedestrians, not through any particular fault of my own but because they weren't even bothering to watch where they were going since they were on their phones etc. or just in their own world, maybe there should be a ban on that sort of thing as well. Yes, you can't leave the house without making sure you're properly awake and don't drift off so you can react to your surroundings properly.
Sorry for the rant for those in thread and LOL it's funny you talking about reality FirstAscent, you sound like someone who has been living in a bubble their whole life.
Sorry for the rant for those in thread and LOL it's funny you talking about reality FirstAscent, you sound like someone who has been living in a bubble their whole life.
You want to tell me what good a speeding ticket does the person who is harmed as a result of a driver speeding? (Assuming anyone is actually harmed... and if not, who gives a fuck?)
It appears you can't fit the discussion to reality. Try thinking about your question again.
You want to tell me what good a speeding ticket does the person who is harmed as a result of a driver speeding? (Assuming anyone is actually harmed... and if not, who gives a fuck?)
I'm sorry, but all the dumbasses out there think they can do this and that and it won't hurt anybody else, because, by gosh, they know what they're doing. But then how come these accidents happen where innocent people get killed? Such as speeding, or fucking around with a gun, or failing to follow building codes, etc.
It's bad enough as it is, because the above references are with laws. Imagine them without laws and total freedom for the dumbasses to do as they want, because they think they know what they're doing (which they don't).
It's bad enough as it is, because the above references are with laws. Imagine them without laws and total freedom for the dumbasses to do as they want, because they think they know what they're doing (which they don't).
poo I misread, sorry about that, I just woke up LOL 
Now I read it better there's no way I'd let that happen because I actually follow my beliefs
a lot of the people who claim to hold our beliefs and stuff don't actually follow them and just use it to blend in with society, like mainstream politicians. People end up being killed in accidents anyway no matter what you do though sadly, it's just a fact of life, there's little you can do to prevent it, so we may as well enjoy life until it happens, most of the time laws get brought about is because it's one or two people or a one in a million disaster when there are other perfectly careful people who do just fine normally.
Now I read it better there's no way I'd let that happen because I actually follow my beliefs
a lot of the people who claim to hold our beliefs and stuff don't actually follow them and just use it to blend in with society, like mainstream politicians. People end up being killed in accidents anyway no matter what you do though sadly, it's just a fact of life, there's little you can do to prevent it, so we may as well enjoy life until it happens, most of the time laws get brought about is because it's one or two people or a one in a million disaster when there are other perfectly careful people who do just fine normally. They will not find me such easy prey 
I'm not sure you understand what I'm saying.
They will not find me such easy prey
Being able to do whatever you want so long as it doesn't hurt others in the process.
I guess I take a simpler view on it
I guess I take a simpler view on it
Lots of people get killed accidentally by others who hold beliefs such as yours. It sucks.
Being able to do whatever you want so long as it doesn't hurt others in the process.
I guess I take a simpler view on it
I guess I take a simpler view on it
...that quality of life where one may follow the dictates of conscience without molestation.
Therefore, all speed limits everywhere should be exactly the same, in order to be fair to all motorists.
Reasonable and prudent sounds good...
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