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In any case the comparison is indeed not very appropriate because in terms of age, in terms of achievement it is also very far now. because if you really want a comparison, at least look for an equal comparison because Mbappe and Messi don't really match in terms of performance because from any perspective there are quite significant differences.
When you say Mbappe is better in terms of performance, it's quite natural, because the age is also very different. If you say Messi is better in terms of individuals, this achievement is also reasonable because he is nearing the end.

In this case I also agree with you, because what Messi already has, obviously, Mbappe doesn't necessarily have at this point. Both have different achievements in their careers and also different speed in the game, but it's about accuracy and how to carry the ball past their opponents in the game. I see that things are not that much different so it is correct to compare the two, it is very less suitable to do except with players who are both senior in their football career.

Because of this exact reason people usually compare them at their age. So if Mbappe is 23, then they compare what Messi did until 23 and that is just unreal, dude has been a force of football for nearly 2 decades, in a year or two it will be 2 decades to be fair.
And by age 23 he already achieved more than what Mbappe did, and by 35 or so Mbappe will probably not have what Messi has neither. The type of dominance Barcelona had for a while is the key to what Messi did of course, and Mbappe doesn't have that because with all the money in the world you could not build a La Masia and players like Xavi and Iniesta and Puyol and Pique, and many others who contributed to Messis amazing career.

Mbappe is already breaking a lot of records and it is not impossible for him to take away some of the records that Messi has. He is already scoring a lot of goals for his club and country and is playing in one of the best teams in the world. If he starts scoring more per season he will be close to some of the Messi records. Mbappe won already a world cup and now is missing the champions league and ballon dor and that is just a matter of time

Breaking Messi's records may not be impossible for Mbappe. But it is very difficult. Messi probably won 4 Ballon d'Or at the age of 23. But Mbappe has yet to win a single Ballon d'Or. Messi won 7 Ballon d'Or. Can Mbappe win 7? Mbappe, on the other hand, has already won the World Cup. But Messi could not win the World Cup. If Messi can win the World Cup this year, he will be considered as the great player of all time.

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Injuries can actually be a problem for PSG. I mean especially the injuries affecting their attacking line directly. PSG are a team that depend on their very strong attacking trio of Messi, Neymar and Mbappe. Even when one of these three players is injured they are in a really big trouble. By trouble I mean the Champions League of course. Because when it comes to the Ligue 1, I don't think PSG would have big difficulties even in a situation that they play with only one of this trio. Especially if that one is Mbappe. Grin

PSG need to preserve their players very well until their Bayern Munich matchup. They already have the upper hand on Bayern Munich I think. Because Neuer is not able to play during the rest of the season. Mane's condition is doubtful for the first leg also. If PSG keep their crucial players healthy they might start 1-0 ahead already.

Indeed, Bayern Munich has lost its main goalkeeper, who must be sidelined for the rest of the season. But let's not forget that mentality is also important in big games like this. And I can say the mentality that the Bayern Munich squad has is better than Paris Saint Germain.
Paris Saint Germain has a luxurious squad on every front, even the players who are on the bench are no less luxurious than their main players. It's just that the Paris Saint Germain players are not as harmonious as the team they will face. This is also homework for Galtier.

Lionel Messi and Mbappé are still very active at the World Cup. And the main competition is coming. So there is still a very high chance that these two are very likely to get injured.
In addition, Neymar is already recovering from an injury that he suffered during the World Cup. Even though he did play for Brazil, I do not think that he is hundred percent fit to play.
I really hope that neither Messi nor Mbappé gets injured in the final.

Because I really do not think that Neymar is a player capable of playing the whole 90 minutes defectively for PSG. I think they are going to face a really big problem. I do not know how they will be able to actually preserve their players. But I agree with you that they might actually have the upper hand because Bayern Munich is also suffering from some injury problems. PSG will be able to take advantage of that.

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Mbappe has much better potential at his relatively young age, before that Messi also had great speed and smart at Barcelona. Lionel Messi and Mbappe have their own uniqueness and advantages, that's all we can say for now because Mbappe still has a long way to grow better, but I think Messi is also a smart person even very smart. Anyway, PSG already have Messi and Mbappe and this team dominating the French league so far.

Messi has received several awards, at the age of 23 years. two from the Balon D'Or, he had gotten at a relatively young age. an achievement that is difficult to be rivaled by any player. Messi also has speed and good balance when dribbling, he has had everything besides the world cup trophy. Mbappe is a very talented young player, unfortunately Mbappe's individual titles are not as flashy as Messi's.

Mbappe only has an advantage over Messi in the form of a world title. and now, they will fight each other for the world cup trophy for their country. Mbappe is a young talent, at his age he is showing his skills. Unfortunately, he is not equipped with a good attitude. his career could fade, if he could not control his own ego.
on the other hand, Haaland is a candidate who will become his rival for various awards. these two young stars, will be one of the next golden generation.

@Doell A lot of people are saying that Mbappe is unstoppable at this age. But I think we need to remember that Lionel Messi was also an absolute demon at this age. It’s just because of the age of Lionel Messi, he is not able to do what he did when he was 19 or 20 years old.

@rahmad2nd I also agree that the only advantage of Mbappé over Lionel Messi is the World Cup. Let’s see if Lionel Messi can change that in the upcoming World Cup final on the 18th of December 2022. This one trophy is going to basically complete the career of Leonel Messi. After that, he can be called "the actual GOAT".

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In any case the comparison is indeed not very appropriate because in terms of age, in terms of achievement it is also very far now. because if you really want a comparison, at least look for an equal comparison because Mbappe and Messi don't really match in terms of performance because from any perspective there are quite significant differences.
When you say Mbappe is better in terms of performance, it's quite natural, because the age is also very different. If you say Messi is better in terms of individuals, this achievement is also reasonable because he is nearing the end.

In this case I also agree with you, because what Messi already has, obviously, Mbappe doesn't necessarily have at this point. Both have different achievements in their careers and also different speed in the game, but it's about accuracy and how to carry the ball past their opponents in the game. I see that things are not that much different so it is correct to compare the two, it is very less suitable to do except with players who are both senior in their football career.

The problem is that sometimes a lot of people compare these things as if these are equal even though this is very difficult to compare in any way I even say they can't be compared in any way.
Messi is the goat at the moment and of course there should be more appreciation for him, on the other hand Mbappe can be categorized as one of the good regenerates to keep football growing and that is a fact that cannot be changed because Messi's age is now almost approaching retirement age .

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In any case the comparison is indeed not very appropriate because in terms of age, in terms of achievement it is also very far now. because if you really want a comparison, at least look for an equal comparison because Mbappe and Messi don't really match in terms of performance because from any perspective there are quite significant differences.
When you say Mbappe is better in terms of performance, it's quite natural, because the age is also very different. If you say Messi is better in terms of individuals, this achievement is also reasonable because he is nearing the end.

In this case I also agree with you, because what Messi already has, obviously, Mbappe doesn't necessarily have at this point. Both have different achievements in their careers and also different speed in the game, but it's about accuracy and how to carry the ball past their opponents in the game. I see that things are not that much different so it is correct to compare the two, it is very less suitable to do except with players who are both senior in their football career.

Because of this exact reason people usually compare them at their age. So if Mbappe is 23, then they compare what Messi did until 23 and that is just unreal, dude has been a force of football for nearly 2 decades, in a year or two it will be 2 decades to be fair.

And by age 23 he already achieved more than what Mbappe did, and by 35 or so Mbappe will probably not have what Messi has neither. The type of dominance Barcelona had for a while is the key to what Messi did of course, and Mbappe doesn't have that because with all the money in the world you could not build a La Masia and players like Xavi and Iniesta and Puyol and Pique, and many others who contributed to Messis amazing career.

Mbappe is already breaking a lot of records and it is not impossible for him to take away some of the records that Messi has. He is already scoring a lot of goals for his club and country and is playing in one of the best teams in the world. If he starts scoring more per season he will be close to some of the Messi records. Mbappe won already a world cup and now is missing the champions league and ballon dor and that is just a matter of time

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In any case the comparison is indeed not very appropriate because in terms of age, in terms of achievement it is also very far now. because if you really want a comparison, at least look for an equal comparison because Mbappe and Messi don't really match in terms of performance because from any perspective there are quite significant differences.
When you say Mbappe is better in terms of performance, it's quite natural, because the age is also very different. If you say Messi is better in terms of individuals, this achievement is also reasonable because he is nearing the end.

In this case I also agree with you, because what Messi already has, obviously, Mbappe doesn't necessarily have at this point. Both have different achievements in their careers and also different speed in the game, but it's about accuracy and how to carry the ball past their opponents in the game. I see that things are not that much different so it is correct to compare the two, it is very less suitable to do except with players who are both senior in their football career.

Because of this exact reason people usually compare them at their age. So if Mbappe is 23, then they compare what Messi did until 23 and that is just unreal, dude has been a force of football for nearly 2 decades, in a year or two it will be 2 decades to be fair.

And by age 23 he already achieved more than what Mbappe did, and by 35 or so Mbappe will probably not have what Messi has neither. The type of dominance Barcelona had for a while is the key to what Messi did of course, and Mbappe doesn't have that because with all the money in the world you could not build a La Masia and players like Xavi and Iniesta and Puyol and Pique, and many others who contributed to Messis amazing career.

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Quote from: Swordsoffreedom on December 17, 2022, 02:29:09 PM

Comparing Messi with Mbappé is not a fair comparison in my opinion. Both of them have very different play styles. Both of them are also very different in terms of their age.

Lionel Messi has achieved almost everything in his career except for the World Cup.

On the other hand, Mbappe has achieved the World Cup, but not many other things yet.

Mbappe still has a lot to achieve. But if Lionel Messi just ends his career right now, it is not going to make much of a difference for him. We can say that Messi is very interested in the World Cup. He is not that much interested in club performance anymore. But that is not the case with Mbappe.

I agreed about this all here because completely different environment with different style of play and Messi is surely already achieve too many things in his career with Mbappé is living only with world cup, but he needs to do much more for having name like Messi with most chances tomorrow we will have Messi will take another achievement with world cup win.

If Mbappé wants to achieve rank like Messi and Ronaldo then surely he needs to change his attitude and things in play as well which is never been helpful for him most of the time he plays like selfish player which is not acceptable for legendary players, but a long career is waiting for him in coming years hopeful things will be changed, and he will be able to have best for his future which he deserves.

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It would be good for PSG to have all the players in their great trio to come back to the team without suffering an injury. Neymar is already back at the team and they are hoping to see the same for Messi - Mbappe duo after the World Cup finale. Because this match will be a really tough one and the defenses might be rougher than ever. Messi and Mbappe both are key players for their national teams in the end.

Neymar has been a more injury-prone player than these two so PSG must be still comfortable about this. Neymar even suffered an injury during the World Cup but they must be grateful that it wasn't a serious one. They need all these three stars against Bayern Munich to increase their chance of advancing to the quarter finals.

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I think messi and mbappe performing well in the world cup will have a positive impact on psg team, if they want the champions league trophy having messi and mbappe along with neymar in top shape will have a huge impact the next game against bayern is a crucial one if they get past them i think there is a high chance of them being champions this season.

Messi and Kylian Mbappe have been performing well since the start of this World Cup. The competition between the two is intense to be the best player. Even if Lionel Messi is not the best player in this World Cup, Kylian Mbappe will never reach Lionel Messi's record.

Comparing Messi and Mbappe is silly. Two excellent players. And since the beginning of this World Cup they have been playing brilliantly. Mbappe doesn't compare to Messi. But don't forget that Messi has yet to win the World Cup. And Mbappe won a World Cup. And so I would say there should be no comparison between these two players.

We have seen Mbappe in great form in this World Cup. Hopefully Mbappe will continue his performance after the World Cup, and play a special role in the progress of PSG.

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In any case the comparison is indeed not very appropriate because in terms of age, in terms of achievement it is also very far now. because if you really want a comparison, at least look for an equal comparison because Mbappe and Messi don't really match in terms of performance because from any perspective there are quite significant differences.
When you say Mbappe is better in terms of performance, it's quite natural, because the age is also very different. If you say Messi is better in terms of individuals, this achievement is also reasonable because he is nearing the end.

In this case I also agree with you, because what Messi already has, obviously, Mbappe doesn't necessarily have at this point. Both have different achievements in their careers and also different speed in the game, but it's about accuracy and how to carry the ball past their opponents in the game. I see that things are not that much different so it is correct to compare the two, it is very less suitable to do except with players who are both senior in their football career.

Comparing Messi with Mbappé is not a fair comparison in my opinion. Both of them have very different play styles. Both of them are also very different in terms of their age.

Lionel Messi has achieved almost everything in his career except for the World Cup.

On the other hand, Mbappe has achieved the World Cup, but not many other things yet.

Mbappe still has a lot to achieve. But if Lionel Messi just ends his career right now, it is not going to make much of a difference for him. We can say that Messi is very interested in the World Cup. He is not that much interested in club performance anymore. But that is not the case with Mbappe.

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I think messi and mbappe performing well in the world cup will have a positive impact on psg team, if they want the champions league trophy having messi and mbappe along with neymar in top shape will have a huge impact the next game against bayern is a crucial one if they get past them i think there is a high chance of them being champions this season.

Messi and Kylian Mbappe have been performing well since the start of this World Cup. The competition between the two is intense to be the best player. Even if Lionel Messi is not the best player in this World Cup, Kylian Mbappe will never reach Lionel Messi's record.

Comparing Messi and Mbappe is silly. Two excellent players. And since the beginning of this World Cup they have been playing brilliantly. Mbappe doesn't compare to Messi. But don't forget that Messi has yet to win the World Cup. And Mbappe won a World Cup. And so I would say there should be no comparison between these two players.

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Quote from: Ratash on December 17, 2022, 10:19:16 AM

I think messi and mbappe performing well in the world cup will have a positive impact on psg team, if they want the champions league trophy having messi and mbappe along with neymar in top shape will have a huge impact the next game against bayern is a crucial one if they get past them i think there is a high chance of them being champions this season.

Messi and Kylian Mbappe have been performing well since the start of this World Cup. The competition between the two is intense to be the best player. Even if Lionel Messi is not the best player in this World Cup, Kylian Mbappe will never reach Lionel Messi's record.

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I think messi and mbappe performing well in the world cup will have a positive impact on psg team, if they want the champions league trophy having messi and mbappe along with neymar in top shape will have a huge impact the next game against bayern is a crucial one if they get past them i think there is a high chance of them being champions this season.

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I believe that when talking about footballers that are still actively playing, only Ronaldo can be compared to Messi, and surely Mbappe cannot. Messi has won so many titles and individual awards, i do not think any other player can win the number of individual awards that Messi has won, but surely Mbappe has a bright future, he is very young and has achieved so much at a young age, i will not say he luckily won the world cup, there is nothing such as luck in that, and if he gets another world cup medal back to back at his young age, he might even win a total of 3 before he retires from football, and that is him writing down his name in history. Mbappe may never reach some heights Messi has attained, but i will not take anything away from that boy, he has a bright future and he will surely dominate.

Comparison with age Mbappe right now still 23 years old but he has excellent achievement with national team than Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo. I don't blame with Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo won many trophies with their club and success get many individual award but you can't close your eyes between Ronaldo and Messi never have World Cup tittle in their football career.

Surely Mbappe will reach and break all record achievement by Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo, he has more than 10 years later career in football and many individual award achievement later.

Kylian Mbappe will never break Lionel Messi's record. Because Kylian Mbappe is just a striker or goal scorer. He has enough ability to score goals. But Lionel Messi is unique, there is no comparison, he is a playmaker, dribbler, scorer, there is no part of football that he does not participate in. The real beauty of football is revealed when Lionel Messi plays football. Lionel Messi can be called an all-rounder in football.

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Quote from: 8rch7 on December 16, 2022, 11:10:11 AM

Comparison with age Mbappe right now still 23 years old but he has excellent achievement with national team than Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo. I don't blame with Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo won many trophies with their club and success get many individual award but you can't close your eyes between Ronaldo and Messi never have World Cup tittle in their football career.

Mbappe is talented and younger than Messi and Ronaldo. His career is only at beginning but careers of Messi and Ronaldo are coming to endings. Only a few seasons left for us to enjoy football of Messi and Ronaldo.

Many legendary players have never won Champions League or World Cup in their careers so it is not the end of world if Messi and Ronaldo ends their careers without World Cup title.

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Surely Mbappe will reach and break all record achievement by Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo, he has more than 10 years later career in football and many individual award achievement later.

It depends on his body too. If you are old enough, you should know about Ronaldo Nazario de Lima, the Brazilian player. He is a phenomenon in global football before his career was damaged by his knee injuries.

The seven minutes that changed Ronaldo's career... and the history of football?

Don't forget about Bale, Eden Hazard, Kaka, all of their careers were affected negatively by injuries.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronaldo_(Brazilian_footballer)
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kak%C3%A1
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Bale
[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eden_Hazard

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Ligue 1 matches will return this December, and among their first matches, Paris Saint Germain will face Strasbourg. Of course this will be an easy match for Paris Saint Germain to get 3 points from a team in the relegation zone like Strasbourg. I think this will be the first win for Paris Saint Germain after coming back from the World Cup break. And what will be awaited are their 2 players who have successfully penetrated the final in Qatar.

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Quote from: bekti3 on December 16, 2022, 04:10:00 PM

In any case the comparison is indeed not very appropriate because in terms of age, in terms of achievement it is also very far now. because if you really want a comparison, at least look for an equal comparison because Mbappe and Messi don't really match in terms of performance because from any perspective there are quite significant differences.
When you say Mbappe is better in terms of performance, it's quite natural, because the age is also very different. If you say Messi is better in terms of individuals, this achievement is also reasonable because he is nearing the end.

In this case I also agree with you, because what Messi already has, obviously, Mbappe doesn't necessarily have at this point. Both have different achievements in their careers and also different speed in the game, but it's about accuracy and how to carry the ball past their opponents in the game. I see that things are not that much different so it is correct to compare the two, it is very less suitable to do except with players who are both senior in their football career.

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Quote from: Doell on December 16, 2022, 01:47:26 PM

Mbappe has much better potential at his relatively young age, before that Messi also had great speed and smart at Barcelona. Lionel Messi and Mbappe have their own uniqueness and advantages, that's all we can say for now because Mbappe still has a long way to grow better, but I think Messi is also a smart person even very smart. Anyway, PSG already have Messi and Mbappe and this team dominating the French league so far.

Messi has received several awards, at the age of 23 years. two from the Balon D'Or, he had gotten at a relatively young age. an achievement that is difficult to be rivaled by any player. Messi also has speed and good balance when dribbling, he has had everything besides the world cup trophy. Mbappe is a very talented young player, unfortunately Mbappe's individual titles are not as flashy as Messi's.

Mbappe only has an advantage over Messi in the form of a world title. and now, they will fight each other for the world cup trophy for their country. Mbappe is a young talent, at his age he is showing his skills. Unfortunately, he is not equipped with a good attitude. his career could fade, if he could not control his own ego.
on the other hand, Haaland is a candidate who will become his rival for various awards. these two young stars, will be one of the next golden generation.

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Quote from: LordShanken on December 16, 2022, 12:24:32 PM

Kylian Mbappé is a fantastic striker. He has great pace in his game, he is able to beat the opposing team's defense and score goals with his speed. But comparing Lionel Messi to Kylian Mbappé is absolutely stupid. Kylian Mbappe is just a smart striker.

In any case the comparison is indeed not very appropriate because in terms of age, in terms of achievement it is also very far now. because if you really want a comparison, at least look for an equal comparison because Mbappe and Messi don't really match in terms of performance because from any perspective there are quite significant differences.
When you say Mbappe is better in terms of performance, it's quite natural, because the age is also very different. If you say Messi is better in terms of individuals, this achievement is also reasonable because he is nearing the end.

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Quote from: Zilon on December 15, 2022, 02:26:40 PM

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But if PSG this season might be able to get to the Champions League final match, then I'm sure Mbappe will stay at PSG. Because moving to Real Madrid too I think the competition in La Liga is the same, because Real Madrid is also always the favorite and it's the same situation with PSG in Ligue 1.
Although indeed, in La Liga there are opponents who at least have the same quality as Barcelona. Meanwhile, at this moment for PSG in Ligue 1, even though sometimes PSG also only gets draws and also loses, in the end PSG will still be at the top of the Ligue 1 standings.

The situation is at least the same as Bayern Munich in the Bundesliga and therefore, if Mbappe can take PSG further in the Champions League then I'm pretty sure Mbappe will stay at PSG maybe for a longer time.
Because the benchmark right now is only about the Champions League, because their target of being strong in the local league has at least been achieved. Also, if Mbappe can lead PSG to win the Champions League title too then it is very possible for Mbappe to get the Ballon d'Or and therefore, basically the potential for achievement for Mbappe at PSG is very big if he can get many top achievements.

Winning the Champions League will not stop Mbappe from leaving if he is bent on saying goodbye to ligue 1. Madrid almost finalized the deal of bringing him over to laliga before he got a mouth watering offer from PSG to extend his contract. Mbappe is one player who loves good football, which made him consider the initial offer from Madrid. If he fails to win the CL in PSG for two years consecutive, he might decide to go on loan to PSG since his contract extends till 2025 at PSG.

I know we are almost certain that Mbappé is not intending to stay at PSG. But what happens if PSG just offers him another stupid contract which will give him a stupid amount of money and he decides to stay, again?

Because at this point, I am not convinced that the target of Mbappé is to have a legacy. I honestly think that money is more important for him. I am quite certain that PSG will be able to have a respectable result in the Champions League. And obviously, PSG will also win the Ligue-1 title. These are going to be enough for Mbappé to stay in the PSG squad.

Real Madrid are not interested in Mbappé at this moment as far as I know. At this point, it is also not going to be surprising if he stays in the PSG squad or leaves. And I will have to disagree on one thing which is I don’t see Mbappé winning too many things with PSG. At least he is not looking to leave a legacy behind, that’s for sure.

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