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Quote from: gabbie2010 on September 21, 2021, 07:07:35 AM

Messii reaction and conduct is unprofessional after being substituted, he is not used to that kind of decision because of he is highly influencial in Barcelona, pochi did the right thing afterall PSG eventually won the match that means the tactical changes made by the manager in replacing Messi for hikimi was very effective because Messi was not having any impact in the match again, infact French local media had criticized him for his unprofessional conduct after being replaced, although there is much pressure on him to deliver as soon as possible for PSG

If there's one thing that can derail the PSG super-team this season, it's failing to integrate Messi into the team. It may not matter much if they implode in the French league, they have very few challengers there... but they can't afford disharmony when they come up against the top teams in the Champions League.

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I think in that match messi played quite well and was able to create lots of chances , but unfortunately some golden opportunities couldn't be converted into goals so they were just wasted, I was also surprised by messi exit in the 76th minute, but I think the coach knows better what the team needed at that time so that messi shouldn't have to protest against Pochettino's decision, after all, after the match was finished, Pochettino had revealed the reason for messi substitution was to protect him from possible injury because in fact messi had not fully adapted to the French league style of play.

Messi may not be happy about his situation, but Pochettino is just scared of his injury. Whenever Pochettino chooses to substitute players in the interest of the team, he has every right to do it. Messi should settle in with a new team and a new style. The coach made a good decision if he thinks someone else might be better at this or if he is changing tactics to win the match. In the 76th minute, Messi was replaced, and his reaction was not bad. I'm just glad Messi played well and the coach is not scared to sub him.

Now messi has to realize that if he is no longer at Barcelona, where he has a lot of influence on a team and even he seems to have control over the coach who coached Barcelona back then, I think messi should be able to get out of the he is safe zone and acts like any other PSG professional at the moment and Pochettino should make a decision that prioritizes winning the team, even if he had to take the risk of bringing out the best player like Messi in a game.

Messii reaction and conduct is unprofessional after being substituted, he is not used to that kind of decision because of he is highly influencial in Barcelona, pochi did the right thing afterall PSG eventually won the match that means the tactical changes made by the manager in replacing Messi for hikimi was very effective because Messi was not having any impact in the match again, infact French local media had criticized him for his unprofessional conduct after being replaced, although there is much pressure on him to deliver as soon as possible for PSG

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If Messi uses a professional approach to business, then no matter how great he is (or no matter how great he thinks he is), he should respect the coach and even more so not to bring disagreements to the public. Plus, I'm sure that now, in terms of the strength of the game, he is definitely not the top-1 in PSG, so there is no point in arguing with the coach, the best way to prove something is to play well.

I think in that match messi played quite well and was able to create lots of chances , but unfortunately some golden opportunities couldn't be converted into goals so they were just wasted, I was also surprised by messi exit in the 76th minute, but I think the coach knows better what the team needed at that time so that messi shouldn't have to protest against Pochettino's decision, after all, after the match was finished, Pochettino had revealed the reason for messi substitution was to protect him from possible injury because in fact messi had not fully adapted to the French league style of play.

As far as I remember, during the whole match he had only two really good chances, not many. By the way, I watch the matches of the French championship very rarely and did not notice any special style of play there, is it really the same tough game there as in England or Italy? It seemed to me that there is a pretty comfortable game for technical players and especially from top teams.

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Quote from: LittleBitFunny on September 21, 2021, 03:10:55 AM

PSG, however, has won 6 matches in a row and scored 18 points. They are 5 and 6 points ahead of the second and third teams in the points table. Still, I would say I didn't like their game. PSG now has one of the strongest squads in the world. I don't think there are any other clubs with so many star players like PSG. Even then they now display defensive gameplay. Defensive play should not be done despite having a strong midfield and strong forward. The team can not adapt to Messi. In the matches in which Messi has performed, PSG's performance has been worse than in previous matches.

But PSG still difficult to get win on every match, last match faced with Lyon they need waiting almost 90 minutes to celebrate and get three points after Mauro Icardi make last goal for PSG. I think with many star player PSG have easy to win on every match, trio Messi, Neymar and Mbappe exactly have make many goal on every match but still not get touch so far, Messi pass two match without created one goal so far and very bad beginning for him.

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PSG, however, has won 6 matches in a row and scored 18 points. They are 5 and 6 points ahead of the second and third teams in the points table. Still, I would say I didn't like their game. PSG now has one of the strongest squads in the world. I don't think there are any other clubs with so many star players like PSG. Even then they now display defensive gameplay. Defensive play should not be done despite having a strong midfield and strong forward. The team can not adapt to Messi. In the matches in which Messi has performed, PSG's performance has been worse than in previous matches.

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Quote from: Raflesia on September 20, 2021, 11:53:40 AM

Pochettino handles at PSG in the domestic league I have no doubts even this will be successive champions for PSG, but it will be different from UCL has a tough challenge, even though Pochettino is already surrounded by big players, but is he able to do it right?

Yep. A perfect 18 points in 6 matches, they are unbeaten with 18 goals and 6 conceded. PSG is a rich team of star players at this time. But in the end it is the coach and the commitment of the players they will break easily. They have to work hard and get rid of the selfish attitude of every player. At least they should be able to reach the final for the UCL. I think they are top seed at the moment.

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Quote from: dezoel on September 20, 2021, 05:08:31 PM

Messi had this trouble with Argentina as well, he is too used to playing in the Barcelona system and now that is a problem for PSG as well. I watched the game and when he was playing he was doing awesome stuff but his teammates do not know what to do when he is doing all those awesome stuff, in Barcelona players were used to watching messi do great stuff but they knew what their role was during the same period as well, in PSG others do not know and suddenly start watching him do great things while forgetting to play, they are too used to being a team and not messis team.
This will keep on hurting the team a lot if they keep this up, either fit messi into the team or if you really want to fit the team into messi but find a way to get together. If possessions are all "messi scores, or team scores" then they are going to keep being bad in the long run.

Building the team's game around Messi in the current conditions is a dangerous undertaking, because Messi is no longer in such a state and condition that he can still constantly make results, at least because of his age, which is becoming more and more. It is the alignment of the game around Messi that is the main reason why Barcelona's results began to deteriorate. Therefore, the best and most workable option is to embed Messi in the structure of the team game. The most important mistake of Pochettino will be if he, as the head coach, goes in the wake of Messi's wishes, because in the end Pochettino may be left without a result and, accordingly, without a job, although of course mutual understanding with Lionel, as the main asset of the team, should be at a high level.

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Last year's champion Lille is in a very bad shape this year. They are in the 15th place in the league with 5 points collected in 6 games. They lost to Lens in the last match. Marseille is doing well this year. They are in second place with 13 points from 5 games. Paris SG, on the other hand, managed to win the difficult Lyon match. 90+3. In the second minute, Icardi brought the win to Paris. Messi has yet to show himself fully.

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Messi had this trouble with Argentina as well, he is too used to playing in the Barcelona system and now that is a problem for PSG as well. I watched the game and when he was playing he was doing awesome stuff but his teammates do not know what to do when he is doing all those awesome stuff, in Barcelona players were used to watching messi do great stuff but they knew what their role was during the same period as well, in PSG others do not know and suddenly start watching him do great things while forgetting to play, they are too used to being a team and not messis team.

This will keep on hurting the team a lot if they keep this up, either fit messi into the team or if you really want to fit the team into messi but find a way to get together. If possessions are all "messi scores, or team scores" then they are going to keep being bad in the long run.

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Quote from: Cafex on September 20, 2021, 11:39:29 AM

PSG played a really tough game against Lyon last night but they still managed to be victorious by 2-1. Lyon are worse than the last season now. They are having a big difficulty to gain their usual performance again. But still they put up a good fight against PSG in this game. Messi still seemed like not adapted to the team and the league. PSG barely won the game thanks to Icardi's goal in the last moments. They have a 6-win streak in the league but the real problem is the CL. They should be much better than this.

Yes not the best beginning of the season for psg in the champions league despite the winning in ligue 1 they are still not performing that well especially in the defensive side as for messi he need more time because in barcelona they did not have many influencing players so their play evolved around him but now with psg many stars it seem difficult for him to shine since many of them are doing good especially mbappe.

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Quote from: nikola22 on September 20, 2021, 02:52:17 PM

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Ligue1 trophy is solely in their hands, if they play well, no other team could even approach them, and six wins in six rounds seem that they will end this season easily
last season there was a difficult start, and when there are several teams within points distance, main favorite could get nervous, and that happened to PSG, with Lille taking chance and never let it go

I do not see something similar this season, PSG will probably score 30+ wins, and try to get record scoring this season

I agree that this season PSG won't have any problems with winning in Ligue 1. but their main target is Champions League and current level of performance in not impressive for victory in this tournament.

With these players it's really 100% Guaranteed that Ligue 1 is in their hands which is not target for owner and management because their main target is UEFA Champions League which is dream for them but with the start and style I am not sure if they can win this because they need some stability in this team, but currently they fail to produce big results like Bayern and other big teams doing in their leagues and UCL.

Messi is also not looking stable until now even with too many big players around him like Neymar Mbappe Icardi and Maria they need to set a winning lethal combination which is possible but not working until now.

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Quote from: casperBGD on September 20, 2021, 12:50:47 PM

Ligue1 trophy is solely in their hands, if they play well, no other team could even approach them, and six wins in six rounds seem that they will end this season easily
last season there was a difficult start, and when there are several teams within points distance, main favorite could get nervous, and that happened to PSG, with Lille taking chance and never let it go

I do not see something similar this season, PSG will probably score 30+ wins, and try to get record scoring this season

I agree that this season PSG won't have any problems with winning in Ligue 1. but their main target is Champions League and current level of performance in not impressive for victory in this tournament.

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Quote from: Raflesia on September 20, 2021, 11:53:40 AM

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Pochettino handles at PSG in the domestic league I have no doubts even this will be successive champions for PSG, but it will be different from UCL has a tough challenge, even though Pochettino is already surrounded by big players, but is he able to do it right?

Ligue1 trophy is solely in their hands, if they play well, no other team could even approach them, and six wins in six rounds seem that they will end this season easily
last season there was a difficult start, and when there are several teams within points distance, main favorite could get nervous, and that happened to PSG, with Lille taking chance and never let it go

I do not see something similar this season, PSG will probably score 30+ wins, and try to get record scoring this season

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No player is thrilled with a substitution, especially the likes of Messi, but that doesn't mean disrespect for the coach. He has done the same with Guardiola and Enrique in the past. This attitude can have a negative impact on the atmosphere in the team, and I wouldn't be surprised if the coach gets fired at the end of the season.

Interesting, he's not the only star player there. Maybe Messi is disappointed, but the coach has the right to do anything for his players. Messi should also respect him as a coach. Maybe he will experience if tomorrow he becomes a coach how difficult it is to unite the players and get rid of his ego. It seems Mauricio Pochettino had to learn from Pep Guardiola when he was still in charge of Barca. The player management is a little better. Mauricio Pochettino is a coach with great potential, but has handled a lot of stars players only this time.

Pochettino can achieve everything with many star players but it's not easy he as a coach must be able to manage so many star players to treat on the pitch, I know yesterday Messi was disappointed but it is the coach's decision and must be respected by other players Still, ego is one they don't want to be substituted off the pitch but Pochettino has to manage in this case anyway.

Pochettino handles at PSG in the domestic league I have no doubts even this will be successive champions for PSG, but it will be different from UCL has a tough challenge, even though Pochettino is already surrounded by big players, but is he able to do it right?

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Quote from: poldanmig on September 20, 2021, 11:10:35 AM

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I think in that match messi played quite well and was able to create lots of chances , but unfortunately some golden opportunities couldn't be converted into goals so they were just wasted, I was also surprised by messi exit in the 76th minute, but I think the coach knows better what the team needed at that time so that messi shouldn't have to protest against Pochettino's decision, after all, after the match was finished, Pochettino had revealed the reason for messi substitution was to protect him from possible injury because in fact messi had not fully adapted to the French league style of play.

Messi may not be happy about his situation, but Pochettino is just scared of his injury. Whenever Pochettino chooses to substitute players in the interest of the team, he has every right to do it. Messi should settle in with a new team and a new style. The coach made a good decision if he thinks someone else might be better at this or if he is changing tactics to win the match. In the 76th minute, Messi was replaced, and his reaction was not bad. I'm just glad Messi played well and the coach is not scared to sub him.

Now messi has to realize that if he is no longer at Barcelona, where he has a lot of influence on a team and even he seems to have control over the coach who coached Barcelona back then, I think messi should be able to get out of the he is safe zone and acts like any other PSG professional at the moment and Pochettino should make a decision that prioritizes winning the team, even if he had to take the risk of bringing out the best player like Messi in a game.

PSG as a team is not yet stable. Lots of good players in the team. But most of the players are not friendly. There are a lot of new players in the team who have not been able to adapt to the team and other players. They need time. If they can be stable then in the future we will see an unstoppable PSG team.

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PSG played a really tough game against Lyon last night but they still managed to be victorious by 2-1. Lyon are worse than the last season now. They are having a big difficulty to gain their usual performance again. But still they put up a good fight against PSG in this game. Messi still seemed like not adapted to the team and the league. PSG barely won the game thanks to Icardi's goal in the last moments. They have a 6-win streak in the league but the real problem is the CL. They should be much better than this.

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Quote from: kassex on September 20, 2021, 10:30:45 AM

No player is thrilled with a substitution, especially the likes of Messi, but that doesn't mean disrespect for the coach. He has done the same with Guardiola and Enrique in the past. This attitude can have a negative impact on the atmosphere in the team, and I wouldn't be surprised if the coach gets fired at the end of the season.

Interesting, he's not the only star player there. Maybe Messi is disappointed, but the coach has the right to do anything for his players. Messi should also respect him as a coach. Maybe he will experience if tomorrow he becomes a coach how difficult it is to unite the players and get rid of his ego. It seems Mauricio Pochettino had to learn from Pep Guardiola when he was still in charge of Barca. The player management is a little better. Mauricio Pochettino is a coach with great potential, but has handled a lot of stars players only this time.

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I think in that match messi played quite well and was able to create lots of chances , but unfortunately some golden opportunities couldn't be converted into goals so they were just wasted, I was also surprised by messi exit in the 76th minute, but I think the coach knows better what the team needed at that time so that messi shouldn't have to protest against Pochettino's decision, after all, after the match was finished, Pochettino had revealed the reason for messi substitution was to protect him from possible injury because in fact messi had not fully adapted to the French league style of play.

Messi may not be happy about his situation, but Pochettino is just scared of his injury. Whenever Pochettino chooses to substitute players in the interest of the team, he has every right to do it. Messi should settle in with a new team and a new style. The coach made a good decision if he thinks someone else might be better at this or if he is changing tactics to win the match. In the 76th minute, Messi was replaced, and his reaction was not bad. I'm just glad Messi played well and the coach is not scared to sub him.

Now messi has to realize that if he is no longer at Barcelona, where he has a lot of influence on a team and even he seems to have control over the coach who coached Barcelona back then, I think messi should be able to get out of the he is safe zone and acts like any other PSG professional at the moment and Pochettino should make a decision that prioritizes winning the team, even if he had to take the risk of bringing out the best player like Messi in a game.

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Quote from: kayiboyu on September 20, 2021, 10:14:09 AM

We had a great game yesterday: PSG 2 -1 Lyon. PSG were being favored against Lyon of course. We watched the Messi - Neymar - Mbappe trio in this game too. This time, Mbappe was the centre-forward and Neymar was the left winger again. But Messi didn't play as a winger. We watched him right behind Mbappe like the old times as he was playing in that position at Barcelona. But unfortunately, Messi didn't make any assist or score a goal. And he was not happy to be replaced by Hakimi in the 76th minute. PSG still managed to win this by Icardi's goal in the last minutes.

No player is thrilled with a substitution, especially the likes of Messi, but that doesn't mean disrespect for the coach. He has done the same with Guardiola and Enrique in the past. This attitude can have a negative impact on the atmosphere in the team, and I wouldn't be surprised if the coach gets fired at the end of the season.

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I understand Messi,he is probobly the biggest player in football history,him and Ronaldo dont like to be changed.When did you see Messi get subed in Barca,o most never.So he wants all the 90 minutes to show what he has and to score or assist and even to sub him in a big game like this makes him even more angry.But yeah he needs to adapt fast.

If Messi uses a professional approach to business, then no matter how great he is (or no matter how great he thinks he is), he should respect the coach and even more so not to bring disagreements to the public. Plus, I'm sure that now, in terms of the strength of the game, he is definitely not the top-1 in PSG, so there is no point in arguing with the coach, the best way to prove something is to play well.

I think in that match messi played quite well and was able to create lots of chances , but unfortunately some golden opportunities couldn't be converted into goals so they were just wasted, I was also surprised by messi exit in the 76th minute, but I think the coach knows better what the team needed at that time so that messi shouldn't have to protest against Pochettino's decision, after all, after the match was finished, Pochettino had revealed the reason for messi substitution was to protect him from possible injury because in fact messi had not fully adapted to the French league style of play.

Messi may not be happy about his situation, but Pochettino is just scared of his injury. Whenever Pochettino chooses to substitute players in the interest of the team, he has every right to do it. Messi should settle in with a new team and a new style. The coach made a good decision if he thinks someone else might be better at this or if he is changing tactics to win the match. In the 76th minute, Messi was replaced, and his reaction was not bad. I'm just glad Messi played well and the coach is not scared to sub him.

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