Lyon has a few good players they could sell if they want to get out of debt and recover from this relegation. From what I understand the official discussions are still going on, nothing is set, and Lyon asked for extra time, and I would imagine they will try to sell a few players and get some sponsors etc basically find money somewhere.
Look at what Barcelona did, they sold their future income rights to get away from trouble, Lyon may try the same. If they could sell even 3 players at 20 million each, which they may do, that's 60 million, get about 20-30 million from sponsors and future rights, and you have yourself nearly 100 million income. That should not be really that big of a deal then, they could stay and do fine and I am assuming they will not have any trouble if they do this.
Topic: French Soccer League Predictions and Discussion Thread (Ligue 1) - page 3. (Read 183690 times)
November 19, 2024, 03:05:39 PM
November 19, 2024, 01:00:35 PM
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BTW, Lyon current performance is actually better than last season, I remember Lyon last season at the beginning of the season had a bad performance. While this season started the season very well.
So what are we worried about?
November 19, 2024, 11:44:55 AM
Lyon is very different here. They are not Barcelona. To put this into perspective, Barcelona has around 1.35 billion debt and Lyon has over 0.5 billion debt. But is Lyon half as prominent and attractive as an investment target as Barcelona? By far not. Nobody is interested in Lyon. That is what makes the situation for them so tremendously precarious.
For me I think it is a similar situation though I agree with you on the fact that Barcelona is far more valuable and attractive than Lyon but that notwithstanding, you should understand that this is sports business and precisely football which is a very lucrative venture and if you go back to 2005, 2006 or thereabout, you would have noticed that Lyon was a more valuable club in France than PSG due to their exploits in the Ligue1 where they won the title multiple times but after the takeover of PSG by the Arab investors PSG changed status, so it's relatively impossible for a club like Lyon not to attract investors if the club were to be put on sale. 
November 19, 2024, 10:58:29 AM
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November 19, 2024, 04:41:57 AM
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Finance cannot be separated from football or from a team, many teams end up slumping because they have financial problems and there are also teams that improve drastically after they have a lot of money. For example, what we see here is Paris Saint Germain who can collect many star players in the squad, and of course it requires a lot of money that they use for transfer fees and also salary burdens.There are no signs that this Ligue 1 team will be bought by someone who helps them financially. I don't know if no one is interested in them or not. What I said earlier was just wishful thinking and that's one way to make the competition even more competitive.
Indeed, in terms of financial stability, Paris Saint-Germain (PSG) is a standout when it comes to clubs playing games in world football. With more than able backing in terms of funds from their owners, the club manages to put together a selection of star players from various parts across the globe. Lionel Messi, Neymar, and Kylian Mbappé precisely illustrate how the financial leeway allows PSG to build a very competitive team packed with stars.
However, there is still a big irony behind their financial stability. For years, they have been winning the local league in flying colors but have not been able to lay their hands on the UEFA Champions League (UCL) trophy, which is their biggest dream and that of their fans. The huge investment has not really borne the fruits in terms of the most prestigious European trophy.
November 18, 2024, 10:54:02 PM
Lyon is very different here. They are not Barcelona. To put this into perspective, Barcelona has around 1.35 billion debt and Lyon has over 0.5 billion debt. But is Lyon half as prominent and attractive as an investment target as Barcelona? By far not. Nobody is interested in Lyon. That is what makes the situation for them so tremendously precarious.
November 18, 2024, 10:49:09 PM
Lyon is very different here. They are not Barcelona. To put this into perspective, Barcelona has around 1.35 billion debt and Lyon has over 0.5 billion debt. But is Lyon half as prominent and attractive as an investment target as Barcelona? By far not. Nobody is interested in Lyon. That is what makes the situation for them so tremendously precarious.
November 18, 2024, 10:37:35 PM
This match may still be a long way off, around 1 week to come. But my question might be interesting for us to discuss.
Currently, the points difference between PSG and Monaco is a little further away and will PSG be able to give a points difference to Monaco in the upcoming match?
On the one hand, Monaco will not easily beat Brest because Monaco has lost consistency and if Monaco loses points in the upcoming match, I think PSG will give a 9 point difference and it will be very difficult to catch up on the points.
But I don't think Monaco will play badly against Brest even though they are currently not so consistent, if something really bad happens to Monaco and they lose then it is certain that PSG remains the superior team that is more guaranteed to defend the title, we will not see more fierce and interesting competition if all this happens.
November 18, 2024, 07:23:11 PM
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Yeah you are right, they were at the very bottom of the league last season at the start of the season, they finished properly compared to that. Lyon was also a 7 in a row winners as well and they were what PSG is today back in the day. Having this type of financial issues after being that good proves that if you are mismanaged you are not going to get a good result at all.There are tons of teams that make enough money but end up with problems and Lyon is another example of those. If you spend a lot on players that do not give back a good return then you are going to end up with a loss without a doubt. Lyon spent way too much money on players and didn't get anything good in return, which caused them to have this issue and I believe we are going to end up seeing them relegated if they keep this up. Of course they could still sell some players during January transfer window, and make some money and show that as a return to keep the team going, but that is not going to be enough.
You can't put this as a general rule of thumb because there is a very prominent counter example to your theory
Just have a look at how Barcelona is financially managed, but I think everyone agrees that they are successful despite financial mismanagement. The point is if a club is as successful and prominent as Barcelona, debt doesn't matter as much because they will always find ways to refinance their financial burdens. Investors around the world are interested in buying licenses, paying sponsorships, purchase whatever there is that could have ROI potential. Lyon is very different here. They are not Barcelona. To put this into perspective, Barcelona has around 1.35 billion debt and Lyon has over 0.5 billion debt. But is Lyon half as prominent and attractive as an investment target as Barcelona? By far not. Nobody is interested in Lyon. That is what makes the situation for them so tremendously precarious.
November 18, 2024, 03:52:41 PM
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I think both teams, PSG and Monaco can get winning points in their matches. Monaco will not have too much trouble getting a win from Brest, even though they are not playing consistently enough at the moment. PSG are undefeated and they always play well. Against Toulouse, they will be the favorites to win. I think it will not be difficult for both of them to get a win. and the situation will not change anything for both of them. unless PSG has to draw and Monaco manages to get a win. the gap in points between the two will be reduced.
However, Toulouse has improved in their last 3 matches in Ligue 1. They have won 9 points in their last 3 matches and maybe this will be a separate consideration for PSG so that they do not underestimate their guests. Toulouse could be an unexpected threat and be able to become the first team to beat PSG in Ligue 1 this season, but I wouldn't change PSG's winning probability much just because of these statistics.
November 18, 2024, 03:34:03 PM
Honestly, playing at UCL should be harder than playing at domestic league. In UCL you are facing other leagues good teams, the best teams from other leagues, whereas if you are in domestic league, in this case if we are seeing them end up playing at French ligue one, then we are talking about something that is much smaller and that is not going to end up giving any good return at all. We shouldn't really be considering anything further than that, we need to remember that we are going to make a good return from betting on these teams at domestic league and they are facing very easy teams and failing to win.
Monaco ended up beating Barcelona, and then came back here and lost points here, that never made any sense to me and how teams could switch like that is beyond my understanding. All in all, I am guessing that they are going to do fine, but finishing second place seems like the best they could hope for this season, nothing more.
Monaco ended up beating Barcelona, and then came back here and lost points here, that never made any sense to me and how teams could switch like that is beyond my understanding. All in all, I am guessing that they are going to do fine, but finishing second place seems like the best they could hope for this season, nothing more.
November 18, 2024, 12:10:37 PM
PSG is the richest club in Ligue 1 and that's why it has a standard that no other club can contest with them on winning the league for a long time now. Of course, if a rich investor buys the club like someone from Suadi, it is possible that after pumping funds into such club by buying world class players with great potentials, and a coach with high level of experience and success in his career, the newly bought club can transform into a very strong club that will be able to challenge PSG and win Ligue 1 from them.
PSG dose not only have dominance with wealth but they aswell have the best squad in the ligue 1, beating this is going to take beyond just buying new players and coach for a new team in ligue 1 and that is because if with the best squad and coach, they will need sometime to blend together a d grow aswell it's not going to be an instantaneous effect, what we see in PSG is almost a decade now so it's not something a team can just come up one day and get ahead of them without having to go through the process, they may win the league in their first rush but will not be able to sustain that form just immediately and that sustainability is what PSG really do prid in. November 18, 2024, 12:02:30 PM
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What you said makes sense because the financial level of a team is also included in the development factor of the team itself so that the team can buy expensive players who have good quality and that will make a team stronger than its rivals. PSG is a very close example that everyone can see every season so if there is another team that has bigger finances, of course it will be very possible for another team to match their strength with PSG in the future and by the way which team in Ligue 1 has been bought by the prince?There are no signs that this Ligue 1 team will be bought by someone who helps them financially. I don't know if no one is interested in them or not. What I said earlier was just wishful thinking and that's one way to make the competition even more competitive.
November 18, 2024, 10:25:36 AM
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Finance cannot be separated from football or from a team, many teams end up slumping because they have financial problems and there are also teams that improve drastically after they have a lot of money. For example, what we see here is Paris Saint Germain who can collect many star players in the squad, and of course it requires a lot of money that they use for transfer fees and also salary burdens.There are no signs that this Ligue 1 team will be bought by someone who helps them financially. I don't know if no one is interested in them or not. What I said earlier was just wishful thinking and that's one way to make the competition even more competitive.
Indeed, in terms of financial stability, Paris Saint-Germain (PSG) is a standout when it comes to clubs playing games in world football. With more than able backing in terms of funds from their owners, the club manages to put together a selection of star players from various parts across the globe. Lionel Messi, Neymar, and Kylian Mbappé precisely illustrate how the financial leeway allows PSG to build a very competitive team packed with stars.
However, there is still a big irony behind their financial stability. For years, they have been winning the local league in flying colors but have not been able to lay their hands on the UEFA Champions League (UCL) trophy, which is their biggest dream and that of their fans. The huge investment has not really borne the fruits in terms of the most prestigious European trophy.
November 18, 2024, 10:03:47 AM
There is a prince who buys one of the teams in Ligue 1, this will be one way for other teams to be on the same level as Paris Saint Gemain. Because the very stable finances owned by Paris Saint Germain are one of the factors why they have almost no competitors that match them. If the finances of other teams are very good, then they can also do what Paris Saint Germain has done so far. We can see the difference in the composition of the players they have, like it or not we will see the difference. Well, this makes everything the same every season, where no team can be on the same level as Paris Saint Germain.
What you said makes sense because the financial level of a team is also included in the development factor of the team itself so that the team can buy expensive players who have good quality and that will make a team stronger than its rivals. PSG is a very close example that everyone can see every season so if there is another team that has bigger finances, of course it will be very possible for another team to match their strength with PSG in the future and by the way which team in Ligue 1 has been bought by the prince?There are no signs that this Ligue 1 team will be bought by someone who helps them financially. I don't know if no one is interested in them or not. What I said earlier was just wishful thinking and that's one way to make the competition even more competitive.
November 18, 2024, 09:00:34 AM
This match may still be a long way off, around 1 week to come. But my question might be interesting for us to discuss.
Currently, the points difference between PSG and Monaco is a little further away and will PSG be able to give a points difference to Monaco in the upcoming match?
On the one hand, Monaco will not easily beat Brest because Monaco has lost consistency and if Monaco loses points in the upcoming match, I think PSG will give a 9 point difference and it will be very difficult to catch up on the points.
I think both teams, PSG and Monaco can get winning points in their matches. Monaco will not have too much trouble getting a win from Brest, even though they are not playing consistently enough at the moment. PSG are undefeated and they always play well. Against Toulouse, they will be the favorites to win. I think it will not be difficult for both of them to get a win. and the situation will not change anything for both of them. unless PSG has to draw and Monaco manages to get a win. the gap in points between the two will be reduced.
While Monaco will certainly face a difficult match in the 12th week later, although currently Brest is not as consistent and good as last season, but they often give extraordinary surprises when facing strong teams like what they show in the championship league, so I think, most likely maybe both teams will draw in the match later or one of the teams will win with a thin score.
November 18, 2024, 08:40:40 AM
I agree PSG have a lot of money, but the way they spend it is unreasonable. They only dominate Ligue 1 when teams like Lille, Marseille, and Monaco are weak. At some point like the above teams have enough money to spend, I believe they will overthrow PSG.
Money is not an issue for PSG. But status is. A squad full of stars is struggling to reach the last 8 of the Champions League. This is becoming an all too familiar story. PSG is only strong in Ligue 1. When entering the continental arena, PSG is like an apprentice. When money can't buy class for PSG in the Champions League, the Champions League dream is still far away for them, if they keep spending money wastefully like that.
Paris Saint-Germain are popularly known to dominate their territory which is the Ligue One and there's every tendency for such an elite club to become formidable in other leagues but they're not. In the UEFA Champions League, they don't match with the amount level of competitive race, they're weigh classified low when it comes to the odds of winning the league. PSG are in farmer's league where winning the league title doesn't seem to be challenge, they've everything within their reach to execute, why struggle when their oppositions are classified weak? PSG just have to step up their game, we're talking about winning elite teams in the UEFA Champions League which becomes a priority for them this season.Money is not an issue for PSG. But status is. A squad full of stars is struggling to reach the last 8 of the Champions League. This is becoming an all too familiar story. PSG is only strong in Ligue 1. When entering the continental arena, PSG is like an apprentice. When money can't buy class for PSG in the Champions League, the Champions League dream is still far away for them, if they keep spending money wastefully like that.
November 18, 2024, 08:30:07 AM
This match may still be a long way off, around 1 week to come. But my question might be interesting for us to discuss.
Currently, the points difference between PSG and Monaco is a little further away and will PSG be able to give a points difference to Monaco in the upcoming match?
On the one hand, Monaco will not easily beat Brest because Monaco has lost consistency and if Monaco loses points in the upcoming match, I think PSG will give a 9 point difference and it will be very difficult to catch up on the points.
For Monaco last week they had just return to the winning ways by beating Strasbourg i think this is indicated that they can able to bounce back and their upcoming opponent is Brest and this season Brest performance is decline and until week 11 they have suffering 6 loses in Ligue 1 so i think beating this team won't be hard for Monaco
November 18, 2024, 07:30:23 AM
PSG aren't playing very well but the other teams are weak, when they get money from a rich owner taking over then PSG will begin to see competition from the other clubs. Right now they don't have money yet they can still challenge PSG but when they have enough money as PSG has then it's going to be a tougher battle for PSG for the title. Mbappe was one of the players that was keeping PSG very high above all other clubs and he scored lots of goals for them. Messi still being at the could could've given the club more strength to compete not just for the league but champions league but they choose Mbappe over Messi and he still left them at the end.
Paris Saint Germaine of a truth haven't been consistent with their results but they're still the best team in French league and only needs to improve in their performances in European competitions
November 18, 2024, 07:23:41 AM
I agree PSG have a lot of money, but the way they spend it is unreasonable. They only dominate Ligue 1 when teams like Lille, Marseille, and Monaco are weak. At some point like the above teams have enough money to spend, I believe they will overthrow PSG.
Money is not an issue for PSG. But status is. A squad full of stars is struggling to reach the last 8 of the Champions League. This is becoming an all too familiar story. PSG is only strong in Ligue 1. When entering the continental arena, PSG is like an apprentice. When money can't buy class for PSG in the Champions League, the Champions League dream is still far away for them, if they keep spending money wastefully like that.
Money is not an issue for PSG. But status is. A squad full of stars is struggling to reach the last 8 of the Champions League. This is becoming an all too familiar story. PSG is only strong in Ligue 1. When entering the continental arena, PSG is like an apprentice. When money can't buy class for PSG in the Champions League, the Champions League dream is still far away for them, if they keep spending money wastefully like that.
PSG aren't playing very well but the other teams are weak, when they get money from a rich owner taking over then PSG will begin to see competition from the other clubs. Right now they don't have money yet they can still challenge PSG but when they have enough money as PSG has then it's going to be a tougher battle for PSG for the title. Mbappe was one of the players that was keeping PSG very high above all other clubs and he scored lots of goals for them. Messi still being at the could could've given the club more strength to compete not just for the league but champions league but they choose Mbappe over Messi and he still left them at the end.
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