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Topic: Fucking Ponzi's and the idiots that buy into them + List of Shills - page 11. (Read 15389 times)

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I don't see the problem *if* the website is clearly labeled as being what it is....

When people invest in companies pretending to be crowdfunding such as Leancy who posed as an IT investment company and stole $5,000,000 from people, then I would have a problem.

Otherwise we all know the risks.

Here's my problem: they aren't gambling.  Perhaps they are gambling in the strictest letter-of-the-law sense, but so is literally everything else in the world.  The gambling section should be for gambling games with well defined rules, payouts, and (ideally) are provably fair. 

Think about how it looks to someone just getting into bitcoins.  They come to the largest forum, and click on one of the largest sub-forums (gambling).  And oh look, it's 25% ponzis.  That's a very bad look, as ponzi's are universally reviled.  To the casual viewer, it looks like the only thing to do with bitcoins is funnel them into a ponzi.  It makes something that is already misunderstood by a large portion of the population look even MORE shady.
I already posted a link to the thread suggesting/discussing a new forum section that seems to be coming in the near future, where people can post all their pyramid/ponzi schemes they like. And the best part? You don't have to see them unless you go there by your own free will!
No more reason for people to whine!
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FURring bitcoin up since 1762
I don't see the problem *if* the website is clearly labeled as being what it is....

When people invest in companies pretending to be crowdfunding such as Leancy who posed as an IT investment company and stole $5,000,000 from people, then I would have a problem.

Otherwise we all know the risks.

Here's my problem: they aren't gambling.  Perhaps they are gambling in the strictest letter-of-the-law sense, but so is literally everything else in the world.  The gambling section should be for gambling games with well defined rules, payouts, and (ideally) are provably fair. 

Think about how it looks to someone just getting into bitcoins.  They come to the largest forum, and click on one of the largest sub-forums (gambling).  And oh look, it's 25% ponzis.  That's a very bad look, as ponzi's are universally reviled.  To the casual viewer, it looks like the only thing to do with bitcoins is funnel them into a ponzi.  It makes something that is already misunderstood by a large portion of the population look even MORE shady.
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Wait so I'm a ponzi operator now? How did you come up with that? The admin of WeeklyPonzi made me the BTCTalk spokesperson as he has trouble accessing the site. This does not make me an operator.
mem
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Herp Derp PTY LTD
shill list updated.
mem
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Herp Derp PTY LTD
If you look at the people playing, it's probably 95% or more newbies.  They'll learn.  It may be the hard way but sometimes it's the only way.  

You're right, it's a great first user exerience for an alternate transaction mechanism!

Nice to see some common sense being displayed.

I don't see the problem *if* the website is clearly labeled as being what it is....

When people invest in companies pretending to be crowdfunding such as Leancy who posed as an IT investment company and stole $5,000,000 from people, then I would have a problem.

Otherwise we all know the risks.

The problem is very clear for myself. 

  • Its taking advantage of the mentally feeble
  • it is illegal in every country and society I can think of.
[lil]ponzi's cannot work in a real world, they are designed to fail yet they advertise they work[/li]
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I don't see the problem *if* the website is clearly labeled as being what it is....

When people invest in companies pretending to be crowdfunding such as Leancy who posed as an IT investment company and stole $5,000,000 from people, then I would have a problem.

Otherwise we all know the risks.
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g4c
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Help defeat ponzi's by reporting them to the host/server see forum post for more info
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ponzi-killer-inside-4-down-shill-list-inside-516588

Would that include the Ponzi that has paid for thread banners?  mmmmmkay?
g4c
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If you look at the people playing, it's probably 95% or more newbies.  They'll learn.  It may be the hard way but sometimes it's the only way.  

You're right, it's a great first user exerience for an alternate transaction mechanism!
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Help defeat ponzi's by reporting them to the host/server see forum post for more info
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/ponzi-killer-inside-4-down-shill-list-inside-516588
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Spixel I know your one of the operators you been bumping your own ponzis for while now

Well, you're wrong. Wouldn't be the first time either, everything you say is wrong.

Lol mem, so I'm a shill because I used ONE ponzi? Your reasoning is the worst ever sorry.

Ignore him, just a self obsessed idiot who's mad that admins aren't doing what he tells them to do. It must help him feel better about himself to defame others.
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Lol mem, so I'm a shill because I used ONE ponzi? Your reasoning is the worst ever sorry.
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Spixel I know your one of the operators you been bumping your own ponzis for while now
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This is hilarious, can't even be sure if you're serious.

Have fun with your little pointless crusade.

"Herp Derp PTY LTD" is accurate.
mem
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Herp Derp PTY LTD
Well then how about making threats to the site ADmin, if they dont get rid or move them we can actully report the site for hosting illegal games.  They can lose there Hosting and they will have no choice to listen to us.  What do ya think?

Fully endorse this action (the reporting not the threats), lets use this community for something positive and show that the majority want no part in these ugly scams.

I cant wait for some of these ponzi operators to miss step and reveal their ID - I for one would get chub reporting them to their countries financial and fraud crimes dept.
mem
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Herp Derp PTY LTD
If you look at the people playing, it's probably 95% or more newbies.  They'll learn.  It may be the hard way but sometimes it's the only way. 

It is and the only reason I bothered with my gambling list was to protect newbies.

Do you really want to see newbie after newbie getting ripped off by the next pirate@40 wannabe, the next BFL pre-order ?
Or should we do the right thing as a community and cut these turds loose ?
mem
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Herp Derp PTY LTD
Time to be harsh, those defending and worse endorsing scams will be permantly ignored by myself and listed at the head of this thread as shills/ dishonest characters.

spixel, you are first congrats.
mem
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Herp Derp PTY LTD
Mem, you really need to accept these bitcoin ponzis are not a scam (most of them at least)

You really need to face reality!  A Ponzi is inherently a scam, and if it isn't, it's something other than a Ponzi.

It's utter lunacy to defend this crap.  Do you think shit like this makes Bitcoin look good?

But its not a ponzi, its a ponzi STYLE game.

Everyone knows it is before risking their btc so who cares how it works or what its called?

People are gambling their btc to make profit. There will be winners + losers like with all gambling.

No its a ponzi and you are an idiot.

Sorry, but its tuff love time.

Im not going to debate that something that looks walks, quacks, shits and swims like a duck is not actually a duck.
mem
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Herp Derp PTY LTD
Erm, the sites are labeled as a ponzi scheme, they aren't lying. All it is is another bitcoin gambling game, just like satoshi dice, you may win, or lose, but the person USUALY does not run away with the money

Did you just defeat your own argument before giving me the chance to do so ?

Anyway lets break it down, a gambling game has an average payout of around 95% or higher but individual payouts can range from x0 to x36 (using roulette as my example). A Ponzi's max payout is usually 80% (individual payouts being 1-7%) then they pack up and run, there is NEVER a payout greater than 100% just operators pretending to be players and their shills.

A Ponzi is a scam.

Again since Im dealing with idiots I'll give you an example.

Doing surgery without a license is illegal.  
The reason that we dont allow people to operate with a disclaimer of "derp Im actually just a butcher" is because as a society we need to look after the weaker links in our chain.

In case your not grasping my point, you strike me as the type of person who would see his local butcher/ vet to get his appendix removed and then advise others to do the same.
mem
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Herp Derp PTY LTD
Ponzis == free speech
complaining about scams = STFU AND STOP WHINING.

Shill identified.
Not saying you're not allowed to whine like a b*tch, but

Ahh here the shill goes. He jumps from attacking free speech to claiming everyone should stop bitching.
The reality is you wish to promote scams and dont like getting called out on it, you attempt to defend scams using free speech but then attack free speech when its used against you, finally when you get acussed of attacking free speech you start insulting those with differing opinions "no no they can be a big bitch if they want".

Ahh shills, their just paid bigots and nothing more.
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