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Topic: [FULL] DiceBitco.in Signature Campaign - Continued - page 7. (Read 6544 times)

copper member
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1520
No I dont escrow anymore.
There is no way of telling whether they should have won or not. Ofc in hindsight every gambler can predict what move they "would have" made. But actually you cant. If the nounces where not skipped everything would have been different. Thus the only fair thing to do would be a complete rollback and all decisions would have to be made again without knowing the outcome.
Yes, there is. You can use a bet verifier and input the skipped nonce. You will see what you would have got. The results are deterministic, as with every provably fair implementation.

See this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8716674

Done act like you dont understand me. The rolls are deterministic the players are not.
copper member
Activity: 3948
Merit: 2201
Verified awesomeness ✔
Alright, Dooglus and I have talked for a while and we decided the following:
  • 1. I will pay everyone (even those who dropped out/changed their signature/etc) , that have a positive post count (a few people have a negative or zero post count), with their post count at 14.21 (it's 14.38 now).
  • 2. Dooglus will continue this campaign until the remaining ~5.3BTC is used up, decide for yourself if you stay or not.

Payments will be send within an hour.
legendary
Activity: 1050
Merit: 1000
All those who are carrying the signature atleast add a message after the posts saying that the site is in trouble. Sig carriers are effectively sending people there to gamble while being aware that they might get scammed. They should be warned at the very least.
legendary
Activity: 1778
Merit: 1042
#Free market
Ok, thanks @bitcoininformation and  @dooglus ( again again ) Now I'm keeping the signature all the month Wink.
Thanks for proving yourself untrustworthy Smiley

I'm sorry for that , but it is not my decision . Do you understand what i mean ?  Have a nice day .


Ps: I don't prove anything Wink .
vip
Activity: 1316
Merit: 1043
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Ok, thanks @bitcoininformation and  @dooglus ( again again ) Now I'm keeping the signature all the month Wink.
Thanks for proving yourself untrustworthy Smiley
legendary
Activity: 1778
Merit: 1042
#Free market
Ok, thanks @bitcoininformation and  @dooglus ( again again ) Now I'm keeping the signature all the month Wink.
vip
Activity: 1316
Merit: 1043
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There is no way of telling whether they should have won or not. Ofc in hindsight every gambler can predict what move they "would have" made. But actually you cant. If the nounces where not skipped everything would have been different. Thus the only fair thing to do would be a complete rollback and all decisions would have to be made again without knowing the outcome.
Yes, there is. You can use a bet verifier and input the skipped nonce. You will see what you would have got. The results are deterministic, as with every provably fair implementation.

See this: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.8716674
legendary
Activity: 2404
Merit: 1003
(-4)

so, what is happening? why I recieve a PM with a guy threadening my to give negative trust?

BTW: I'm Hero now
copper member
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1520
No I dont escrow anymore.
They decided not to pay those that did not lose any coins.

Winnings that people should have received are still winnings. Imagine a casino kicking you out after you won a jackpot of a slots machine, and refusing to honor your rightful winnings. But hey, they refunded everyone else that spun and lost their money Cheesy

There is no way of telling whether they should have won or not. Ofc in hindsight every gambler can predict what move they "would have" made. But actually you cant. If the nounces where not skipped everything would have been different. Thus the only fair thing to do would be a complete rollback and all decisions would have to be made again without knowing the outcome.
sr. member
Activity: 602
Merit: 250
HEX: Longer pays better
Your a fucking idiot TF

Now let me spin this around into another way, your actions could be construed as scamming

Hypothetical of coarse !

Lets say you and bitcoininformation and the other fella have all got together and you have 10BTC in hand ( escrow funds as I understand it ).

Now what's the best way of keeping the said funds without being accused of scamming ?

The answer is threaten, blackmail and generally spout shit and slowly get people to remove them selfs from the campaign.

This of coarse would then leave less BTC needed to be paid out at the end of the month thus leaving more left over, to either be sent back, or kept as per the original statement that said any spare funds could be kept.

So in short your trying to force people out of the campaign so YOU and your friends can benefit.!!!

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Now I happen to trust bitcoininformation so in reality the above scenario will not happen, and I feel bitcoininformation is doing a good job and is now stuck between a rock and hard place because of your immature and childish bull shit TF.

I don't give a fuck what you threaten me with, I live my own life and I'm happy with it and I don't care if the site in my signature has been accused of scamming it is down to the individual to do their own due dillagance before investing in anything, its the same in real life with fiat.

Plus having looked at the site this morning it dosn't seem to have done them much harm, there is plenty of BTC flowing there.

Rant over now TF run along and annoy someone else !

Cheers
Mark

legendary
Activity: 2590
Merit: 1022
Leading Crypto Sports Betting & Casino Platform
i received a msg someone intimidating me that if i would not remove the adv sign, he neg trust me, what should i do? is this campaign legit?
full member
Activity: 141
Merit: 100
They decided not to pay those that did not lose any coins.

Winnings that people should have received are still winnings. Imagine a casino kicking you out after you won a jackpot of a slots machine, and refusing to honor your rightful winnings. But hey, they refunded everyone else that spun and lost their money Cheesy

wow this is coming from a man who scammed a shit load of users, maybe TF is mad he didnt think of that Scam and is jealous?Huh
vip
Activity: 1316
Merit: 1043
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They decided not to pay those that did not lose any coins.

Winnings that people should have received are still winnings. Imagine a casino kicking you out after you won a jackpot of a slots machine, and refusing to honor your rightful winnings. But hey, they refunded everyone else that spun and lost their money Cheesy
vip
Activity: 1316
Merit: 1043
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This "scam" is no longer active, as far as I know (so it won't hurt anyone), but your intentions are dubious at best. In fact, you have nothing to lose (read reputation), so no wonder you can stick to such dirty practices as blackmailing, and I won't be surprised that you yourself are doing this on grounds far from being entirely altruistic.

DiceBitco.in has scammed, and they have not compensated all the users that were scammed. Until they compensate all the users that were scammed, they are a scam.

I find it preposterous that you assume (i) I have not lost money in DiceBitco.in and (ii) that I have dubious intentions beyond justice.

I don't think leaving trust feedback for untrustworthy actions, while notifying people in advance (some haven't signed into this forum for a while, but their sig is still up) is anywhere near blackmail. Plenty of people here leave feedback for other people's scams, and plenty of people threaten to leave negative feedback if a scammer does not compensate.

I consider people who advertise DiceBitco.in untrustworthy because:

1) DiceBitco.in has scammed by not paying out winnings people should have received. This has been established earlier in this thread.
2) Participating in a signature campaign is promoting it.
3) Promoting a scam for money is untrustworthy.

If you dispute 1 or 2, I'd be happy to hear your arguments. 3 is my personal opinion (which I think most people will also agree with), and trust is opinion based.

Do you disagree with any of this?

copper member
Activity: 1498
Merit: 1520
No I dont escrow anymore.
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i got this PM.i did report it to the admins,because i feel blackmailed by this user.i mean there is a reason why he has over -500 negative trust.blackmailing others wont make it better.

The best part about the PM is:

By giving negative feedback you are putting the blame on the wrong people which have nothing to do with DiceBitco.in scamming. Methinks, the total majority of participants would be happy to get money right now and be done with it.
If you continue to promote a scam after being aware that it is a scam, then I think you do have to do with it.

I'm not putting blame on anyone that has promoted DiceBitco.in previously. I'm only 'blaming' people who continue to promote the scam for their personal benefit. Don't you think that's untrustworthy?

If you removed it, you should get the payout for the first 9 days by the end of this month.

I am not aware that dicebitco.in is a scam. I had coins invested there and could divest them without any problems even though "shit" allready hit the fan.
Whether wins that resulted from the malicous code should be repaid or not is a decision they had to make. They decided not to pay those that did not lose any coins. IMHO a complete rollback would be fair, yet would result in those you claim "scammed" in less coins than they have now. How does that make them scammers?
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 515
By giving negative feedback you are putting the blame on the wrong people which have nothing to do with DiceBitco.in scamming. Methinks, the total majority of participants would be happy to get money right now and be done with it.
If you continue to promote a scam after being aware that it is a scam, then I think you do have to do with it.

I'm not putting blame on anyone that has promoted DiceBitco.in previously. I'm only 'blaming' people who continue to promote the scam for their personal benefit. Don't you think that's untrustworthy?

If you removed it, you should get the payout for the first 9 days by the end of this month.

This "scam" is no longer active, as far as I know (so it won't hurt anyone), but your intentions are dubious at best. In fact, you have nothing to lose (read reputation), so no wonder you can stick to such dirty practices as blackmailing, and I won't be surprised that you yourself are doing this on grounds far from being entirely altruistic.
sr. member
Activity: 400
Merit: 250
Well, people that drop out normally don't get paid at all, because they didn't fulfill the requirement to keep the signature for the period you agreed upon. We decided that that isn't fair and we will use the leftovers to pay people anyway. I know that this isn't optimal and we might have to change it to just pay out right now.

Yes. However, normally when conditions change, people are given the choice of opting out of the contract at no penalty.  Treating these people second does apply a strong penalty.

Example: My internet plan rose from $60 to $70 a year ago. The plan is on a 2 year contract. I was notified and had the opportunity to break out of the 2 year contract (no early termination fee) if I do not wish to continue.

I'll be sending out PMs and leaving feedback to the people that still carry this signature.

i got this PM.i did report it to the admins,because i feel blackmailed by this user.i mean there is a reason why he has over -500 negative trust.blackmailing others wont make it better.
vip
Activity: 1316
Merit: 1043
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By giving negative feedback you are putting the blame on the wrong people which have nothing to do with DiceBitco.in scamming. Methinks, the total majority of participants would be happy to get money right now and be done with it.
If you continue to promote a scam after being aware that it is a scam, then I think you do have to do with it.

I'm not putting blame on anyone that has promoted DiceBitco.in previously. I'm only 'blaming' people who continue to promote the scam for their personal benefit. Don't you think that's untrustworthy?

If you removed it, you should get the payout for the first 9 days by the end of this month.
sr. member
Activity: 462
Merit: 515
I think this should be considered as spamming. You have no connection to this campaign, so you are not entitled to demand anything from the participants in this campaign. Threats of negative feedback are really pathetic from a guy who himself has a negative trust as low as -539...

You do not need a connection to leave negative feedback. I consider people who advertise DiceBitco.in untrustworthy because:

1) DiceBitco.in has scammed by not paying out winnings people should have received. This has been established earlier in this thread.
2) Participating in a signature campaign is promoting it.
3) Promoting a scam for money is untrustworthy.

If you dispute 1 or 2, I'd be happy to hear your arguments. 3 is my personal opinion (which I think most people will also agree with), and trust is opinion based.

By giving negative feedback you are putting the blame on the wrong people which have nothing to do with DiceBitco.in scamming. Methinks, the total majority of participants would be happy to get money right now and be done with it. What you are going to do is called blackmail, and I'm doubtful that you do it just for personal reasons.
vip
Activity: 1316
Merit: 1043
👻
I think this should be considered as spamming. You have no connection to this campaign, so you are not entitled to demand anything from the participants in this campaign. Threats of negative feedback are really pathetic from a guy who himself has a negative trust as low as -539...

You do not need a connection to leave negative feedback. I consider people who advertise DiceBitco.in untrustworthy because:

1) DiceBitco.in has scammed by not paying out winnings people should have received. This has been established earlier in this thread.
2) Participating in a signature campaign is promoting it.
3) Promoting a scam for money is untrustworthy.

If you dispute 1 or 2, I'd be happy to hear your arguments. 3 is my personal opinion (which I think most people will also agree with), and trust is opinion based.




so, since i'm in the september list, i don't need to sign again. Thanks

Have you read the rest of the thread?
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