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Quote from: Ararbermas on September 09, 2019, 08:18:10 AM

If it's eligal then its prohibited averywhere even in social media there's no one is exempted on it. Wherein automatic if someone caught you cheating you will be imprison because it's a sin even you advert it only you have no skip. . Actually that's the reason why there are some ppl using vpn but unfortunately they fail because of some reason. So i suggest don't cheat if you want to avoid problems.. Lol

Maybe you’re right on this mate ,like whenever the company you are representing paying you from the earning of the business it’s also sinful money
So when you accept that then you become sinful as well
Better stay away from those businesses because there are lots of company that will pay you from no gambling money

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The really interesting thing from Uncle Google.

Even if you're looking for typical sins of gambling, then the search engine thinks that you're looking for an answer to the eternal question. So, I think that not only you guys have a similar problem. But from my perspective, it's all up to the person itself. It's not like with killing, stealing or lying, it's much more complex and it depends on how specific man handles that thing. It's easy to generalize but it's not so easy to think about other perspectives.

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Quote from: Pmalek on September 16, 2019, 07:47:48 AM

Quote from: Betwrong on September 16, 2019, 03:32:14 AM

Okay, but what about promoting a gambling site or making wine, or working in a wine store to earn your daily bread? This is what this topic all about. Can someone provide quotes from Quran, Bible or any other religious book which at least can be interpreted to mean that promoting gambling site is a sin?

Muslims, just like Jewish people, are not allowed to eat pork but it is also considered a sin to sell pork to both Muslims and non-Muslims.

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...whatever we are forbidden to eat or make use of, we are also forbidden to sell, and it is not permissible to consume its price

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/40651/is-it-permissible-to-sell-haraam-things-like-pork-to-non-muslims

This would mean that if you are not allowed to eat or use something you are also not allowed to sell it or use the profits of that trade for anything else.

The above source also mentions:

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“When Allah forbids a thing, He (also) forbids its price.”

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/40651/is-it-permissible-to-sell-haraam-things-like-pork-to-non-muslims

It would be safe to conclude that the same rules apply for gambling, drug use or anything else that is forbidden by that religion.

Great research! Thank you!

“When Allah forbids a thing, He also forbids its price”, huh?

Then it looks like indeed promoting a gambling site is forbidden by Sharia.

But I want to say that that only proves once again the incompatibility of old religions with modern day life. If you work as a taxi driver, a pilot, a train driver or a captain of a passenger ship, and you say to someone "Sorry, I can't transport you because you have alcohol with you.", you will be fired immediately. Or, if you are an electrician and you are called to a restaurant to fix something for them, you can't accept the payment, if they sell alcohol and/or pork because "He also forbids its price". WTF?

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Quote from: btc78 on September 09, 2019, 07:39:01 AM

In any form but it connected in gambling I believe is also considered as gamblingmoney,because the one you advertise will surely take the your payments from gambling so it’s a sinful money if you are a Muslim

This base on my opinion as I a man not a Muslim but from what my understanding is..so what I’m surely knew here is OP is affected on his spiritual laws

Your statement is interesting enough. It seems you have a deep understanding both from gambling and religion point of view.

Actually, it is still debatable about where the payments are taken for the rewards of advertises.
For new gambling sites, I am not sure they pay us from the gambling activities on those sites because they are still new and just launched.
Anyway, for me, we don't advertise gambling but just promote the platform. Grin

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But if you are still not sure about promoting a gambling site, then you are better to leave it. Islam learns us to leave doubtful things.

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Quote from: SquallLeonhart on September 16, 2019, 09:52:36 AM

I don’t get it bro, how do you mean that life would be boring without gambling, I believe before gambling began, a lot of people have been having fun, so what is spectacular about gambling I must ask. I have not gambled in the past 4 years and I don’t even miss it a bit because I am only trying to heal from all the losses I made from gambling.

If any religion or culture is against gambling, I think it is better to find out what they discovered about it that made them see it so, I do not have any religion that tell me not to do it, if I had, I would probably consider the reasons and I may not have been in the mess I found myself from gambling. In a nut shell, don’t participate in any kind of gambling, ether promotions or marketing if it is against your belief.

True, you can certainly lead a fulfilling life without gambling. Gambling shouldn't be used as a means to improve your life, but rather a way to spend time enjoyably. A lot of people make the fatal flaw of continuing to gamble even when they really cannot afford to be taking the risks.

That being said, I really doubt the omnipotent creator of the universe, the being that literally wove time and space together as one, gives the SLIGHTEST damn about what you do with your money.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on September 14, 2019, 11:45:23 AM

It is a sensitive issue, because there are many points of view and it will never be a fully consolidated idea, for believers and atheists, believers rely heavily on what the sacred scriptures say and yes, gambling as it is something which is contemplated in the bible, and I believe that Jesus Christ in his time had a discrepancy because it took people away from true belief, but that was at that time, now I am sure that many believers and followers of the bible are also players and their faith it remains intact, and if you go to the 10 commandments the prohibition of gambling is not contemplated, so that in God's eyes it is not bad.

Atheists ignore almost everything and respect themselves, although there are many who are against gambling, but in the world there are all kinds of people with different tastes, and gambling is just one of the funs that being human can have to: Enjoy, de-stress, make money, all this influences from the point of view that is seen, if you do gambling and see that you do not do evil to anyone, it means that everything is fine.

You are definitely right into this one which as long we dont do something illegal then i dont see a reason for gambling to be frowned upon but there are people who do heavily
follow up on what they do believe into their religion and theres nothing we can do about it but to respect on what they do believe as long they arent bothering us just like a normal relative will do or our neighbors is trying to stop us on playing then we should respect them though.They had their own beliefs and also ours towards gambling.I cant even think up on how people will enjoy life without some sort of gambling activities in life.It isnt that suggested but coming too serious with our daily routines in life sounds pretty boring.

I don’t get it bro, how do you mean that life would be boring without gambling, I believe before gambling began, a lot of people have been having fun, so what is spectacular about gambling I must ask. I have not gambled in the past 4 years and I don’t even miss it a bit because I am only trying to heal from all the losses I made from gambling.

If any religion or culture is against gambling, I think it is better to find out what they discovered about it that made them see it so, I do not have any religion that tell me not to do it, if I had, I would probably consider the reasons and I may not have been in the mess I found myself from gambling. In a nut shell, don’t participate in any kind of gambling, ether promotions or marketing if it is against your belief.

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Quote from: mitchr4 on September 10, 2019, 06:37:13 AM

~]In Islam, gambling is bad so anything related is considered a sin. Also, include promoting a gambling site because they help the owner and attract the attention of other people (no matter his religion) to make sins (play gambling). It doesn't matter if a Muslim doesn't play but if they promote it is still prohibited in his religion.

It's not that I personally care much about it, but I'm sure there are people who do, and I think you should provide quotes and links when making such statements. Some people earn their bread by promoting gambling sites, and some of them are religious. Who are you to call them sinners?

I'm not a part of Islam people but I have found an article saying that gamblers and those who drink wine are sinners.

Quote from: https://www.learnreligions.com/what-does-the-quran-say-about-gambling-2004114

“They ask you [Muhammad] concerning wine and gambling. Say: ‘In them is a great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is greater than the profit.’… Thus does Allah Make clear to you His Signs, in order that you may consider” (Quran 2:219).

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“O you who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, dedication of stones, and divination by arrows, are an abomination of Satan's handwork. Eschew such abomination, that you may prosper” (Quran 5:90).

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Okay, but what about promoting a gambling site or making wine, or working in a wine store to earn your daily bread? This is what this topic all about. Can someone provide quotes from Quran, Bible or any other religious book which at least can be interpreted to mean that promoting gambling site is a sin?

You can consider it a vague law when it says you can not make money out of money. And so if you make money out of your assets which were bought by your money, its assumed its allowed. It may also be look at this way when it comes to promoting gambling sites since you are not gambling at all. You are only promoting.

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Quote from: Betwrong on September 16, 2019, 03:32:14 AM

Okay, but what about promoting a gambling site or making wine, or working in a wine store to earn your daily bread? This is what this topic all about. Can someone provide quotes from Quran, Bible or any other religious book which at least can be interpreted to mean that promoting gambling site is a sin?

Muslims, just like Jewish people, are not allowed to eat pork but it is also considered a sin to sell pork to both Muslims and non-Muslims.

Quote

...whatever we are forbidden to eat or make use of, we are also forbidden to sell, and it is not permissible to consume its price

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/40651/is-it-permissible-to-sell-haraam-things-like-pork-to-non-muslims

This would mean that if you are not allowed to eat or use something you are also not allowed to sell it or use the profits of that trade for anything else.

The above source also mentions:

Quote

“When Allah forbids a thing, He (also) forbids its price.”

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/40651/is-it-permissible-to-sell-haraam-things-like-pork-to-non-muslims

It would be safe to conclude that the same rules apply for gambling, drug use or anything else that is forbidden by that religion.

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Quote from: sheenshane on September 11, 2019, 05:01:41 AM

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Quote from: mitchr4 on September 10, 2019, 06:37:13 AM

~]In Islam, gambling is bad so anything related is considered a sin. Also, include promoting a gambling site because they help the owner and attract the attention of other people (no matter his religion) to make sins (play gambling). It doesn't matter if a Muslim doesn't play but if they promote it is still prohibited in his religion.

It's not that I personally care much about it, but I'm sure there are people who do, and I think you should provide quotes and links when making such statements. Some people earn their bread by promoting gambling sites, and some of them are religious. Who are you to call them sinners?

I'm not a part of Islam people but I have found an article saying that gamblers and those who drink wine are sinners.

Quote from: https://www.learnreligions.com/what-does-the-quran-say-about-gambling-2004114

“They ask you [Muhammad] concerning wine and gambling. Say: ‘In them is a great sin, and some profit, for men; but the sin is greater than the profit.’… Thus does Allah Make clear to you His Signs, in order that you may consider” (Quran 2:219).

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“O you who believe! Intoxicants and gambling, dedication of stones, and divination by arrows, are an abomination of Satan's handwork. Eschew such abomination, that you may prosper” (Quran 5:90).

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Okay, but what about promoting a gambling site or making wine, or working in a wine store to earn your daily bread? This is what this topic all about. Can someone provide quotes from Quran, Bible or any other religious book which at least can be interpreted to mean that promoting gambling site is a sin?

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Quote from: Ailmand on September 15, 2019, 04:01:36 PM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 09, 2019, 05:13:30 AM

As we know that Gambling is prohibited in certain religions including Islam. If anyone does it, the earned money is not legal and is considered Sin.

But what if someone is promoting a gambling site on social media etc, will the money earned from it be legal provided he will never directly gamble ?

Promoting that is illegal in your religion would also be illegal I think. If you put it in a simple way, in a religious side, if you are promoting something that is taboo in you religion it means you are also entertaining it, so it is clear that your income from promoting gambling is also against your religion.

Yeah, you should stay away from promoting gambling because it prohibited in your religion. You can search the other affiliate which is not prohibited. Maybe you can search for the dating affiliate because I heard that is a good way to earn some money from the services. I don't think that you will feel comfortable if it's prohibited because you will feel something wrong with what you did. But that is up to you because we could only advise to you.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 09, 2019, 05:13:30 AM

As we know that Gambling is prohibited in certain religions including Islam. If anyone does it, the earned money is not legal and is considered Sin.

But what if someone is promoting a gambling site on social media etc, will the money earned from it be legal provided he will never directly gamble ?

Promoting that is illegal in your religion would also be illegal I think. If you put it in a simple way, in a religious side, if you are promoting something that is taboo in you religion it means you are also entertaining it, so it is clear that your income from promoting gambling is also against your religion.

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Quote from: LogitechMouse on September 15, 2019, 09:53:16 AM

I'm not an Islam and I don't know much about their religion and culture and how they treat gambling.
As a Christian, I can say that it is not prohibited for us to gamble as long as you can control yourself.

I do not understand this as you are saying that in christian gambling is prohibited if you cannot control yourself ?
Is this written somewhere in bible ? I don't think so. Huh

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Quote from: SquallLeonhart on September 14, 2019, 02:31:02 AM

A lot of us are promoting gambling sites but we don’t gamble and this does not in any way make us hypocrites in anyway and like you said, we are after the pay, which isn’t a bad thing at all.

You could be working in a Brewery company where they major in alcoholic drink and yet not drink, or are you saying all those who work in banks and persuade people to go into investments actually do have it themselves? They are only doing their job and we cannot question them for not practicing what they preach. Even imams and pastors most times do not do all they preach, maybe everyone in the world is a hypocrite then.

Well. In my opinion, it is left for every individual to do whatever pleases them because at the end of the day, only you knows what is best for you and what hurts most is realizing that even those who set the rules didn’t obey it completely.

I think you should listen to yourself again bro, participating for the money being paid and yet not involved and you are still convinced that you aren’t a hypocrite, well, i know right inside of you, you know what is right but maybe you just don’t want to agree because you are a partaker.

I am not in any way against marketing or promoting gambling by anyone, but in my opinion, I would say that if you are a promoter, then you should also be a gambler and failure to do this makes the person in question and hypocrite. I am a gambler and this is the reason I confidently agree to market any gambling or involve myself with their promotions and moreover, I don’t even something evil about gambling.

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I'm not an Islam and I don't know much about their religion and culture and how they treat gambling.
As a Christian, I can say that it is not prohibited for us to gamble as long as you can control yourself.

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Quote from: target on September 15, 2019, 08:48:30 AM

Quote from: Pmalek on September 15, 2019, 02:10:57 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 15, 2019, 01:05:58 AM

Considering your example I will like to give you another query.
Interest is also illegal or ban in many religions but the bank still operate in those countries.
So does that mean that people working in the banks their income is also illegal since the banks systems are based on the interest ?

I really don't know how that is looked upon. In Muslim countries there is something called Islamic Banking. That is a non-interest banking that is based on Sharia Law. Muslims are allowed to work in those types of banks as they can operate freely in Muslim countries.

You can read more about that way of banking here:
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/islamicbanking.asp

Not familiar about this but looks almost the same actually. It says they are not allowed to make money out of money but it only look like they are hiding interest to the assets they are buying for the loaner. They make money our of the assets but still assets value is money, fine line in there but its all there is.

Actually there are banks with no interest schemes but also many countries have traditional banking system where mostly muslim people were working on it so they still enjoying and their government allowed it.

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Quote from: Pmalek on September 15, 2019, 02:10:57 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 15, 2019, 01:05:58 AM

Considering your example I will like to give you another query.
Interest is also illegal or ban in many religions but the bank still operate in those countries.
So does that mean that people working in the banks their income is also illegal since the banks systems are based on the interest ?

I really don't know how that is looked upon. In Muslim countries there is something called Islamic Banking. That is a non-interest banking that is based on Sharia Law. Muslims are allowed to work in those types of banks as they can operate freely in Muslim countries.

You can read more about that way of banking here:
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/islamicbanking.asp

Not familiar about this but looks almost the same actually. It says they are not allowed to make money out of money but it only look like they are hiding interest to the assets they are buying for the loaner. They make money our of the assets but still assets value is money, fine line in there but its all there is.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 15, 2019, 01:05:58 AM

Considering your example I will like to give you another query.
Interest is also illegal or ban in many religions but the bank still operate in those countries.
So does that mean that people working in the banks their income is also illegal since the banks systems are based on the interest ?

I really don't know how that is looked upon. In Muslim countries there is something called Islamic Banking. That is a non-interest banking that is based on Sharia Law. Muslims are allowed to work in those types of banks as they can operate freely in Muslim countries.

You can read more about that way of banking here:
https://www.investopedia.com/terms/i/islamicbanking.asp

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Quote from: Pmalek on September 14, 2019, 03:02:54 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 09, 2019, 05:13:30 AM

As we know that Gambling is prohibited in certain religions including Islam. If anyone does it, the earned money is not legal and is considered Sin.

But what if someone is promoting a gambling site on social media etc, will the money earned from it be legal provided he will never directly gamble ?

If you are not allowed to gamble according to Islam I am pretty sure you are not allowed to earn money indirectly by referring people and suggesting that other people should gamble and you earn the commissions.
It is very similar to stealing and buying stolen goods dilemma. That sort of thing doesn't go hand in hand with religion.

Considering your example I will like to give you another query.
Interest is also illegal or ban in many religions but the bank still operate in those countries.
So does that mean that people working in the banks their income is also illegal since the banks systems are based on the interest ?

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Quote from: Pmalek on September 14, 2019, 03:02:54 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 09, 2019, 05:13:30 AM

As we know that Gambling is prohibited in certain religions including Islam. If anyone does it, the earned money is not legal and is considered Sin.

But what if someone is promoting a gambling site on social media etc, will the money earned from it be legal provided he will never directly gamble ?

If you are not allowed to gamble according to Islam I am pretty sure you are not allowed to earn money indirectly by referring people and suggesting that other people should gamble and you earn the commissions.
It is very similar to stealing and buying stolen goods dilemma. That sort of thing doesn't go hand in hand with religion.

When it comes to religion, the law should be black and white, otherwise, it will result to division of believers and people might get confused.
This is different from the law sometimes where there is some provision, the law within the religion is different, there's no "ifs', just like going to heaven or going to hell.

Many people will suggest that since gambling is not illegal then anythning related to it will also be illegal. I am not fully confident on it and it may very from person to person belief. Also everything cannt be written in black n white in the religion because with the passge of time the the new things do come up. Like there were no social media marketing, at the time the gambling was declared illegal in different religions.

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Quote from: LUCKMCFLY on September 14, 2019, 11:45:23 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 09, 2019, 05:13:30 AM

As we know that Gambling is prohibited in certain religions including Islam. If anyone does it, the earned money is not legal and is considered Sin.

But what if someone is promoting a gambling site on social media etc, will the money earned from it be legal provided he will never directly gamble ?

It is a sensitive issue, because there are many points of view and it will never be a fully consolidated idea, for believers and atheists, believers rely heavily on what the sacred scriptures say and yes, gambling as it is something which is contemplated in the bible, and I believe that Jesus Christ in his time had a discrepancy because it took people away from true belief, but that was at that time, now I am sure that many believers and followers of the bible are also players and their faith it remains intact, and if you go to the 10 commandments the prohibition of gambling is not contemplated, so that in God's eyes it is not bad.

Atheists ignore almost everything and respect themselves, although there are many who are against gambling, but in the world there are all kinds of people with different tastes, and gambling is just one of the funs that being human can have to: Enjoy, de-stress, make money, all this influences from the point of view that is seen, if you do gambling and see that you do not do evil to anyone, it means that everything is fine.

You are definitely right into this one which as long we dont do something illegal then i dont see a reason for gambling to be frowned upon but there are people who do heavily
follow up on what they do believe into their religion and theres nothing we can do about it but to respect on what they do believe as long they arent bothering us just like a normal relative will do or our neighbors is trying to stop us on playing then we should respect them though.They had their own beliefs and also ours towards gambling.I cant even think up on how people will enjoy life without some sort of gambling activities in life.It isnt that suggested but coming too serious with our daily routines in life sounds pretty boring.

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