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Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 09, 2019, 05:13:30 AM

As we know that Gambling is prohibited in certain religions including Islam. If anyone does it, the earned money is not legal and is considered Sin.

But what if someone is promoting a gambling site on social media etc, will the money earned from it be legal provided he will never directly gamble ?

It is a sensitive issue, because there are many points of view and it will never be a fully consolidated idea, for believers and atheists, believers rely heavily on what the sacred scriptures say and yes, gambling as it is something which is contemplated in the bible, and I believe that Jesus Christ in his time had a discrepancy because it took people away from true belief, but that was at that time, now I am sure that many believers and followers of the bible are also players and their faith it remains intact, and if you go to the 10 commandments the prohibition of gambling is not contemplated, so that in God's eyes it is not bad.

Atheists ignore almost everything and respect themselves, although there are many who are against gambling, but in the world there are all kinds of people with different tastes, and gambling is just one of the funs that being human can have to: Enjoy, de-stress, make money, all this influences from the point of view that is seen, if you do gambling and see that you do not do evil to anyone, it means that everything is fine.

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Back in the early days of Las Vegas, even running to today Mormons were working everywhere in the casinos.
Dealers, servers, etc.
They really did not gamble or drink. Their religion did not strictly say "No" but it was severely frowned upon.
Since they are a very community based religion, it was kind of a thing, that you didn't because it was frowned upon and you didn't want to look bad.

A quick read here:

https://www.lasvegasadvisor.com/question/mormons-gambling/

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Quote from: Pmalek on September 14, 2019, 03:02:54 AM

Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 09, 2019, 05:13:30 AM

As we know that Gambling is prohibited in certain religions including Islam. If anyone does it, the earned money is not legal and is considered Sin.

But what if someone is promoting a gambling site on social media etc, will the money earned from it be legal provided he will never directly gamble ?

If you are not allowed to gamble according to Islam I am pretty sure you are not allowed to earn money indirectly by referring people and suggesting that other people should gamble and you earn the commissions.
It is very similar to stealing and buying stolen goods dilemma. That sort of thing doesn't go hand in hand with religion.

When it comes to religion, the law should be black and white, otherwise, it will result to division of believers and people might get confused.
This is different from the law sometimes where there is some provision, the law within the religion is different, there's no "ifs', just like going to heaven or going to hell.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 09, 2019, 05:13:30 AM

As we know that Gambling is prohibited in certain religions including Islam. If anyone does it, the earned money is not legal and is considered Sin.

But what if someone is promoting a gambling site on social media etc, will the money earned from it be legal provided he will never directly gamble ?

If you are not allowed to gamble according to Islam I am pretty sure you are not allowed to earn money indirectly by referring people and suggesting that other people should gamble and you earn the commissions.
It is very similar to stealing and buying stolen goods dilemma. That sort of thing doesn't go hand in hand with religion.

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Quote from: DarkDays on September 13, 2019, 02:07:19 PM

Then we are all sinners then. Literally everything we do is a gamble of odds, we step out the door knowing we might get struck by lightning. We get on planes knowing they could fall out of the sky etc, most of the things we do are not done out of necessity, but out of want.

Yeah, I agree that we're all sinners. No one is as pure as snow Grin

but saying that all we do is a gamble then that was very unreasonable. Of course it's not! The examples you listed is not a form of gamble for me, I prefer calling it fortune. So if you got strucked by lightning from out of nowhere then don't be ashamed of yourself like you lose in a casino because it's not your fault, that is just how your destiny works.

Quote from: DarkDays on September 13, 2019, 02:07:19 PM

Unless the Quoran or any other religion text specifically prohibits gambling with money, I wouldn't look too much into it.

Indeed. I'm not disregarding the word of God but for me if you really want to rey something then you're free to do it as long as it doesn't violate the laws of human. The constitutional law is the acceptable basis of telling whether our act is good or evil and not those religious manuscripts. Don't worry if you're eager to gamble, just make sure to play with those not having legal problems

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on September 11, 2019, 03:58:33 PM

I'm not religious, and I have no objection to gambling as a form of entertainment. I do object when it becomes an addiction, and people are hurt by it. I don't gamble myself, so I would not advertise a gambling service.

Here in the United states a lot of Muslim Arab immigrants (including some members of my extended family,) run liquor stores even though they don't drink. It seems hypocritical to me, but who am I to judge? Promoting gambling seems like the same thing to me. If those selling alcohol can reconcile their religious beliefs with their business, I don't see why one promoting gambling can't do the same.

But since you brought up the concern, it seems like you already have some reservations about doing so. I'd say talk to other member of your religion whom you respect, your family, friends, and your Imam, and proceed in the way that fits best with your beliefs.

I disagree. A lot of us are promoting gambling sites but we don’t gamble and this does not in any way make us hypocrites in anyway and like you said, we are after the pay, which isn’t a bad thing at all.

You could be working in a Brewery company where they major in alcoholic drink and yet not drink, or are you saying all those who work in banks and persuade people to go into investments actually do have it themselves? They are only doing their job and we cannot question them for not practicing what they preach. Even imams and pastors most times do not do all they preach, maybe everyone in the world is a hypocrite then.

Well. In my opinion, it is left for every individual to do whatever pleases them because at the end of the day, only you knows what is best for you and what hurts most is realizing that even those who set the rules didn’t obey it completely.

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on September 13, 2019, 03:06:35 PM

3) I see, you're ethics are less important than your income, but I'm the hypocrite? Do you even know what the word hypocrite means?

Lol, who is that? This is a person who always pretending regarding his/her belief or attitude when they are not really them. Correct, don't just pretending on what you have belief. Besides, just do what you want and don't listen to those who prohibited you to gamble just because of your belief. Just what to be true.

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Quote from: SquallLeonhart on September 13, 2019, 01:38:01 PM

If you don’t gamble and will not advertise a gambling site like you proclaim, then I suggest you shouldn’t even be on a gambling forum in the first place. What about the campaign logo you carry, or isn’t that also an act of hypocrites’? Truth be told, we can’t always do all what we preach, and we don’t always preach all we do, circumstances and hustle makes some people find themselves where they would naturally never want to be.

I use myself for example, I don’t gamble but I am a strong promoter of gambling, reason because I get paid, and also that I do not gamble does not make it wrong, I might have personal reasons why I don’t do that and that shouldn’t stop me from promoting it and after all, in all promotions, we always advise players to play with caution to avoid suffering addiction at the end.

1) This isn't a gambling forum. It's a bitcoin forum with a board titled "gambling discussion," where I'm entitled to discuss gambling as much as I want.

2) Explain how promoting my own lending thread is hypocritical (while you're promoting a scam exchange, lol!)

3) I see, you're ethics are less important than your income, but I'm the hypocrite? Do you even know what the word hypocrite means?

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Then we are all sinners then. Literally everything we do is a gamble of odds, we step out the door knowing we might get struck by lightning. We get on planes knowing they could fall out of the sky etc, most of the things we do are not done out of necessity, but out of want.

Unless the Quoran or any other religion text specifically prohibits gambling with money, I wouldn't look too much into it. Society is changing, if God doesn't understand that, then he has no right being God.

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Quote from: DireWolfM14 on September 11, 2019, 03:58:33 PM

I'm not religious, and I have no objection to gambling as a form of entertainment. I do object when it becomes an addiction, and people are hurt by it. I don't gamble myself, so I would not advertise a gambling service.

Here in the United states a lot of Muslim Arab immigrants (including some members of my extended family,) run liquor stores even though they don't drink. It seems hypocritical to me, but who am I to judge? Promoting gambling seems like the same thing to me. If those selling alcohol can reconcile their religious beliefs with their business, I don't see why one promoting gambling can't do the same.

But since you brought up the concern, it seems like you already have some reservations about doing so. I'd say talk to other member of your religion whom you respect, your family, friends, and your Imam, and proceed in the way that fits best with your beliefs.

If you don’t gamble and will not advertise a gambling site like you proclaim, then I suggest you shouldn’t even be on a gambling forum in the first place. What about the campaign logo you carry, or isn’t that also an act of hypocrites’? Truth be told, we can’t always do all what we preach, and we don’t always preach all we do, circumstances and hustle makes some people find themselves where they would naturally never want to be.

I use myself for example, I don’t gamble but I am a strong promoter of gambling, reason because I get paid, and also that I do not gamble does not make it wrong, I might have personal reasons why I don’t do that and that shouldn’t stop me from promoting it and after all, in all promotions, we always advise players to play with caution to avoid suffering addiction at the end.

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If you follow religion, according to my religion (Islam) it's definitely a forbidden money. Why? Because it's earnt not as a hard work but by exploiting the psychology of the victim by showing him greedy ads to gamble. You may say that "oh, he's an adult, he can make his own choices, I didn't force him to join" but still, you have to take a blame too. So yeah, money earnt in that way is considered haram (forbidden) too

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This kind of thinking is the same as what I think. It is true that it is legitimate, because we do not directly gamble, only promote it. Because I personally believe, there are so many people here who like to play gambling and that's why I also want to promote gambling for them.

And the point is our money is not dirty money!

Dirty money is money obtained from corruption, drug sales/women sales, robbery and fraud.
if we get money from promoting gambling sites that are not dirty, we get paid because our services participate in promoting the sites.
IMO, that does not violate religious norms.

It does violate but only on Islam religion and i cant see any religion that do have that kind of prohibition or treatment when it comes to gambling.

They can treat bad as they want but we know on whats the true essence of being illegal and gambling is excluded to that list.
We obtain the money legally and theres nothing wrong about it.

I don't know about Islam religious beliefs but gambling is everywhere and taking money from someone legally through gambling is still the same as long as there is gambling involved. I think it is on the person's point of view on how he would handle the logic and righteousness in the gambling business.

Im aint islam but you can read up about on whats its being prohibited.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maisir
https://islamqa.info/en/answers/4013/wisdom-behind-the-prohibition-on-gambling

Its their own beliefs, so theres nothing we can do if they do view that way.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 09, 2019, 05:13:30 AM

As we know that Gambling is prohibited in certain religions including Islam. If anyone does it, the earned money is not legal and is considered Sin.

But what if someone is promoting a gambling site on social media etc, will the money earned from it be legal provided he will never directly gamble ?

Gambling and advertising/promoting a certain gambling website are two different things that may seem similar. Although one might argue that promoting something that is illegal is the same as doing the action, they are still different in nature.
To be honest, it also depends on the religion and about their rules and regulations with certain acts (i.e. gambling, etc.). Like what you mentioned, Islam prohibits gambling but other religion prohibits the implication and effect you get from it.

At the end of the day, everything boils down to your character as an individual. Whether or not certain things/acts are prohibited due to a conflict with religion, what matters is the character and the overall attitude of a person.

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Quote from: dentolas on September 13, 2019, 02:24:59 AM

seems straight forward that the money comming from promoting something illegal, is in itself illegal...
Same thing would be if you were promoting drugs, but not directly selling them... think about it
We can agree with Islam view or not, nevertheless if anyone wants to follow it, it should not search for backdoors...

I think you are missing the word here.
When it comes to religion, what makes it not acceptable is that whether it is considered as a 'sin' or not. And has nothing to do with being 'illegal' which is mostly use for non religious unacceptable activities.

That been said, OP, I feel one should do what is considered right by one's conscience.

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Quote from: dentolas on September 13, 2019, 02:24:59 AM

seems straight forward that the money comming from promoting something illegal, is in itself illegal...

It varies and not most of the time. Since the topic is all about religion that can be classified inside to their religion but talking about legally, as long as the gov't is allowing it, you cannot say that it is illegal.

You can ask a consultant or any legal counsel for that specific country but if the religion is already including, it only applies to the people that are member of it.

Very correct, when you belong to an association you are bound with their rules and regulations, also, when you are from a country that give free hand to her citizens to gamble, you are free to do if and only if you are not a member of any other association or groups that ban the same gambling. Christianity and Islam are strongly against gambling and whosoever belong to these groups is also bound by it laws.

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Quote from: UmerIdrees on September 09, 2019, 05:13:30 AM

As we know that Gambling is prohibited in certain religions including Islam. If anyone does it, the earned money is not legal and is considered Sin.

But what if someone is promoting a gambling site on social media etc, will the money earned from it be legal provided he will never directly gamble ?

gambling is definitely prohibited, let alone spreading gambling sites on social media. people's responses are different about gambling and various forms of gambling. it is difficult for ordinary people to distinguish between gambling and non-gambling. so whatever we do if it's good then do it but if not stay away.

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Quote from: dentolas on September 13, 2019, 02:24:59 AM

seems straight forward that the money comming from promoting something illegal, is in itself illegal...

It varies and not most of the time. Since the topic is all about religion that can be classified inside to their religion but talking about legally, as long as the gov't is allowing it, you cannot say that it is illegal.

You can ask a consultant or any legal counsel for that specific country but if the religion is already including, it only applies to the people that are member of it.

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Quote from: dentolas on September 13, 2019, 02:28:38 AM

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Some Muslims drink alcohol other don't. I'm sure some will gamble and say it's all right by their faith and some will say it's forbidden. There's as many interpretations of religions as there are people.

This is not to open our Muslim's brothers but that is the reality and I saw it also. It is to think that some of them are not following their rules and that is so-called freedom. I believe there is no wrong with that if we never been involved in illegal activities.

We don't need to generalize it and think that gambling is bad, it is only our own perceptions that make it bad.

Because if we generalize it, we will be judging people that they are doing the right thing, everyone has their own belief and only God can judge us, when it comes to salvation, we just need to do what is right because we cannot save other people surrounding us.

Further, even in one religion, we might also have different interpretation, just like Christians, they have different religion but they are all believers in God and they don't directly preach that gambling is a sin because this depends on how people will become when they gamble.

I agree, gambling is a game... like so many others (even on TV there are games in which you make an expensive phonecall to be able to participate in a prize draw)...
The thing is that we need balance to do some healthy gambling, otherwise it can become a problem... but this is true for almost everything... eating, drinking, etc...

Gambling is everywhere,even when you buy a can of Coca Cola many times you are automatically entered in a draw to win something they offer in promotion.This is not harmful and is perfectly fine with many religions too.
When excessive marketing is done in tv like is the case nowadays promoting sites like betfair and bet365 that is not fine with religion and it may have bad impacts on certain people who may start gambling and becoming addicts.

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Quote from: mirakal on September 13, 2019, 01:56:24 AM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on September 12, 2019, 06:45:18 PM

Quote from: pixie85 on September 12, 2019, 05:03:08 PM

Some Muslims drink alcohol other don't. I'm sure some will gamble and say it's all right by their faith and some will say it's forbidden. There's as many interpretations of religions as there are people.

This is not to open our Muslim's brothers but that is the reality and I saw it also. It is to think that some of them are not following their rules and that is so-called freedom. I believe there is no wrong with that if we never been involved in illegal activities.

We don't need to generalize it and think that gambling is bad, it is only our own perceptions that make it bad.

Because if we generalize it, we will be judging people that they are doing the right thing, everyone has their own belief and only God can judge us, when it comes to salvation, we just need to do what is right because we cannot save other people surrounding us.

Further, even in one religion, we might also have different interpretation, just like Christians, they have different religion but they are all believers in God and they don't directly preach that gambling is a sin because this depends on how people will become when they gamble.

I agree, gambling is a game... like so many others (even on TV there are games in which you make an expensive phonecall to be able to participate in a prize draw)...
The thing is that we need balance to do some healthy gambling, otherwise it can become a problem... but this is true for almost everything... eating, drinking, etc...

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seems straight forward that the money comming from promoting something illegal, is in itself illegal...
Same thing would be if you were promoting drugs, but not directly selling them... think about it
We can agree with Islam view or not, nevertheless if anyone wants to follow it, it should not search for backdoors...

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