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October 21, 2019, 11:12:13 AM
Its better to gamble than to steal, exhort money fraud from people religiously gambling might be forbidden however its very glaring nowadays that some individuals steal government money and make donations with it to religious bodies without questions their sources  if such a body should out-rightly reject gambling money why can't they reject stolen funds given to them in form of donations? personally I see no crime in gambling in fact in some third world countries where there is high rate of unemployment the youths resorted to gambling as away of surviving their hash economy.
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October 21, 2019, 10:26:23 AM
Gambling is about freedom of choice & people should take responsibility for their own actions. Gambling is little different to smoking, alcoholism or drugs. No one holds a gun at anyone's head & forces them into it.
If you take this analogy then no one is holding a gun for addicts, they are doing that on their own, there are gambling addicts and no one can hide from it, there are people who gets addicted to the things they do and if they are addicted then the people around them should them the person get the necessary treatment as addiction is one and it can destroy your life.

When viewed from a religious point of view, gambling is indeed prohibited let alone the money generated from gambling.
Not a religious person so not sure what you are talking about, is it prohibited by religion and if so which one and if so are you living by the rules all your life. If there are restrictions in life then you could not do literally anything in life as there could be some sort of restrictions one way or the other.
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October 21, 2019, 10:09:31 AM
How is it dirty? Did the casino put a gun on people's heads and asked them for money, you know, like governments do?  Grin

The money was given up willingly, the government takes the money it earned directly from sweepstakes or the income tax from casinos. The government then rolls that in with the rest of the budget. What's dirty about that?
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October 20, 2019, 01:23:46 PM
It depends on our culture if it's dirty money or not. It's how you see gambling on your eyes, your perspective, your view on this. If you see it as for entertainment then we have no problem with that, it's not bad for you. There are types of gambling that make it really a bad thing, and the people are getting addicted to it so they're thinking it's bad.

I don't think that way. If I made money, no one should look at where do I spend it or on what I use it for. Why would it even be such a bad thing? It isn't that much of a big deal, you give money and then maybe you win more or lose it all. A big percentage of money given for building churches and other religious establishments comes from mafia or some types of criminals, so gambling isn't that bad.
no one requires you to tell where you get your money and where the money is used for, it's a privacy right. Winning, losing, or at least the results you get from gambling are also none of the business of others. You must know that not everyone has the same perspective, some say gambling is bad and categorized as "dirty money" and some say the opposite. how do you show valid data that the mafia provides funds with a large percentage in terms of religious institutions? your opinion is too bad.
It's pretty much what you could call a public secret, everyone knows it is like that, but no one takes action or talks about it. It's not my opinion, it's reality.

It depends on our culture if it's dirty money or not, people don't have the rights to ask or question you regarding gambling because first of all there's no wrong with that. It's their mindset and negative thoughts on gambling that brought them being like that.
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October 20, 2019, 12:23:31 PM
I don't think that way. If I made money, no one should look at where do I spend it or on what I use it for. Why would it even be such a bad thing? It isn't that much of a big deal, you give money and then maybe you win more or lose it all. A big percentage of money given for building churches and other religious establishments comes from mafia or some types of criminals, so gambling isn't that bad.
no one requires you to tell where you get your money and where the money is used for, it's a privacy right. Winning, losing, or at least the results you get from gambling are also none of the business of others. You must know that not everyone has the same perspective, some say gambling is bad and categorized as "dirty money" and some say the opposite. how do you show valid data that the mafia provides funds with a large percentage in terms of religious institutions? your opinion is too bad.
It's pretty much what you could call a public secret, everyone knows it is like that, but no one takes action or talks about it. It's not my opinion, it's reality.
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October 09, 2019, 04:09:25 PM
Why are we always debating this topic. In general, everyone has the right to their opinions on the money they get from gambling or promoting gambling sites. If it's personally wrong and it's dirty money, then leave it and stay away from gambling and find a better way. So here, every opinion is kept and we are good and have the right to do it, then do it.
everyone is free to argue and this topic is a form of freedom, not to argue but only to discuss and it is good to share each person's perspective on a topic of conversation. if you don't like this topic either, that's fine.
Yeah this forum is for everyone people have permission to talk what they feel about it. Money earning from gambling is one of good money according it to me  When you gamble you will have  ti work hard. Money is good to earn just focus on your goal to become  a good gambler other wise let what people think what they want to think.
yes, focus on yourself in finding income whatever the way. there is a result of gambling or whatever it is the same thing as a privacy right. many people are offended about how everyone is looking for income, no matter the privacy of others is a good thing in this regard.
Yes, some people talk like this because they get jealous so Better no need to listen to them they will keep talking this way focus on your own way towards profit and keep gambling. Everyone has own idea some would like and some would not like. I think I will keep gambling other people's thinking does not affect my determination ever.
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October 09, 2019, 07:07:53 AM
Gambling is about freedom of choice & people should take responsibility for their own actions. Gambling is little different to smoking, alcoholism or drugs. No one holds a gun at anyone's head & forces them into it.
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October 09, 2019, 03:48:51 AM
Why are we always debating this topic. In general, everyone has the right to their opinions on the money they get from gambling or promoting gambling sites. If it's personally wrong and it's dirty money, then leave it and stay away from gambling and find a better way. So here, every opinion is kept and we are good and have the right to do it, then do it.
everyone is free to argue and this topic is a form of freedom, not to argue but only to discuss and it is good to share each person's perspective on a topic of conversation. if you don't like this topic either, that's fine.
Indeed, all of us are enjoy the freedom of speech here and discuss our matters in a friendly manner. The reason why such topics are repeated is simple because they are important and can highly effect life of those who deal in such things. It is good to be of help to someone who is committing a miserable mistake or intends to do so. Would not it be satisfying to save a life from getting destroyed.
as long as we don't talk racist and hate speech, I think it's fun to discuss. we learn new things, know very different perspectives from us. unwittingly our insights as discussion participants will broaden. This forum also has many members from different countries, I learned a lot from it.
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October 08, 2019, 02:53:18 PM
Why are we always debating this topic. In general, everyone has the right to their opinions on the money they get from gambling or promoting gambling sites. If it's personally wrong and it's dirty money, then leave it and stay away from gambling and find a better way. So here, every opinion is kept and we are good and have the right to do it, then do it.
everyone is free to argue and this topic is a form of freedom, not to argue but only to discuss and it is good to share each person's perspective on a topic of conversation. if you don't like this topic either, that's fine.
Indeed, all of us are enjoy the freedom of speech here and discuss our matters in a friendly manner. The reason why such topics are repeated is simple because they are important and can highly effect life of those who deal in such things. It is good to be of help to someone who is committing a miserable mistake or intends to do so. Would not it be satisfying to save a life from getting destroyed.
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October 08, 2019, 09:59:09 AM
Why are we always debating this topic. In general, everyone has the right to their opinions on the money they get from gambling or promoting gambling sites. If it's personally wrong and it's dirty money, then leave it and stay away from gambling and find a better way. So here, every opinion is kept and we are good and have the right to do it, then do it.
everyone is free to argue and this topic is a form of freedom, not to argue but only to discuss and it is good to share each person's perspective on a topic of conversation. if you don't like this topic either, that's fine.
Yeah this forum is for everyone people have permission to talk what they feel about it. Money earning from gambling is one of good money according it to me  When you gamble you will have  ti work hard. Money is good to earn just focus on your goal to become  a good gambler other wise let what people think what they want to think.
yes, focus on yourself in finding income whatever the way. there is a result of gambling or whatever it is the same thing as a privacy right. many people are offended about how everyone is looking for income, no matter the privacy of others is a good thing in this regard.
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October 08, 2019, 09:58:43 AM
When viewed from a religious point of view, gambling is indeed prohibited let alone the money generated from gambling. But it seems that everyone has the right to determine what is best for himself and is free to choose his life path.
In many countries, gambling is also prohibited and if this rule is violated it will be subject to appropriate sanctions. But that also does not reduce people's interest in gambling, because of this difference in perception that causes them to be free to act. If you ask those who gamble, why gamble, isn't gambling prohibited ? So I'm sure you will get different answers and goals.
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October 06, 2019, 10:34:35 PM
To those who are conservative, yes its dirty money because there are lives who are ruined because of gambling, there are families who are going to miss dinner or lunch because the money was spent gambling. However, let us also look where the money goes but I am talking about regulated gambling, gambling that are operated by the government like in the Philippines.

In the Philippines, 55% of the revenue goes to the prize pool, 15% goes to the operating expenses and 30% goes to charity funds. So lets say you bought $20 worth of Lottery Tickets, that mean $6 will go the charity fund, that $6 can help those who can't pay for their hospital bills because they don't have enough money.

That 30% can go a long way if used properly by the agency, I say properly because recently, the Philippine Charity Sweepstakes Office was shut down because of alleged corruption. So for those who are thinking that its dirty, maybe we should think about those who will benefit as well, most specially those who cant afford to even buy a lottery ticket.
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October 06, 2019, 09:30:49 PM
Old fashion belief or not we need to respect each other perception so our life will be far from trouble. Some gambling organization is legal to other states indeed they are supporting it too like in Las Vegas. And other gambling institutions are owned by the government. Some benefits of legal gambling institutions in one state are paying taxes to the government, supporting medical services like confinement, medication, dialysis and many more.

Some are not in favor of gambling but when the person put in a situation which needs financial assistance and nothing will comply on or help on whether the perception is opposed, I think they will grab it especially when that foundation is legal to that country, besides you are not the one who play the game they are. Smiley
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October 06, 2019, 10:58:52 AM
Why are we always debating this topic. In general, everyone has the right to their opinions on the money they get from gambling or promoting gambling sites. If it's personally wrong and it's dirty money, then leave it and stay away from gambling and find a better way. So here, every opinion is kept and we are good and have the right to do it, then do it.
everyone is free to argue and this topic is a form of freedom, not to argue but only to discuss and it is good to share each person's perspective on a topic of conversation. if you don't like this topic either, that's fine.
Yeah this forum is for everyone people have permission to talk what they feel about it. Money earning from gambling is one of good money according it to me  When you gamble you will have  ti work hard. Money is good to earn just focus on your goal to become  a good gambler other wise let what people think what they want to think.
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October 06, 2019, 08:43:01 AM
I don't think that way. If I made money, no one should look at where do I spend it or on what I use it for. Why would it even be such a bad thing? It isn't that much of a big deal, you give money and then maybe you win more or lose it all. A big percentage of money given for building churches and other religious establishments comes from mafia or some types of criminals, so gambling isn't that bad.
no one requires you to tell where you get your money and where the money is used for, it's a privacy right. Winning, losing, or at least the results you get from gambling are also none of the business of others. You must know that not everyone has the same perspective, some say gambling is bad and categorized as "dirty money" and some say the opposite. how do you show valid data that the mafia provides funds with a large percentage in terms of religious institutions? your opinion is too bad.
Indeed, when we use our money to conduct a certain trading activity, no one offers or asks about the source of this money because this is not what services and stores care about, they only care if we have enough money to pay or not, except for these issues, other information is private. And saying that gambling money is dirty money is probably just the mindset of some stubborn people and the lack of generosity in thinking, money anywhere or any source is still money and is still valuable to use, we are not government, we do not need to judge
exactly, there is no point in the owner of a trading or gambling platform asking for the source of money used to do that. there is money, you can trade then get profit or not, it's simple. as I said before, however people say about gambling it is perspective. people have the right to say something and we also have the right to refute it or turn a deaf ear to people's arguments.
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October 06, 2019, 08:25:18 AM
This to me is a traditional view which remains persistent until the very day.

My mother considered gambling as playing with money. She sternly reminded us not to gamble. When I was in college, there was a hot debate within the church whether or not to accept donations coming from dirty sources such as gambling. And in Islam, gambling (maysir) is haram (forbidden). [1]

I have a friend whose father would not serve the family food bought using gambling money.

And just a few years ago, our Education Secretary shunned billions of state-funds because they are coming from gambling. She didn't think it moral and proper to buy books and even build classrooms using the dirty gambling money. [2]

What are your thoughts on these? Do you agree with it, or you consider these as old-fashioned views?



Sources:
1. https://questionsonislam.com/question/what-gambling-what-view-islam-gambling
2. https://www.philstar.com/other-sections/education-and-home/2016/09/29/1628372/briones-shuns-gambling-money-education
3. https://www.manilatimes.net/2016/10/29/opinion/editorial/pragmatism-morality-classrooms-pagcor-money/293705/




Your secretary's actions are correct because it is impossible to use dirty money for education, such as wanting to wash clean but by using dirty water the results will not be there.
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October 06, 2019, 05:41:25 AM
I don't think that way. If I made money, no one should look at where do I spend it or on what I use it for. Why would it even be such a bad thing? It isn't that much of a big deal, you give money and then maybe you win more or lose it all. A big percentage of money given for building churches and other religious establishments comes from mafia or some types of criminals, so gambling isn't that bad.
no one requires you to tell where you get your money and where the money is used for, it's a privacy right. Winning, losing, or at least the results you get from gambling are also none of the business of others. You must know that not everyone has the same perspective, some say gambling is bad and categorized as "dirty money" and some say the opposite. how do you show valid data that the mafia provides funds with a large percentage in terms of religious institutions? your opinion is too bad.
Indeed, when we use our money to conduct a certain trading activity, no one offers or asks about the source of this money because this is not what services and stores care about, they only care if we have enough money to pay or not, except for these issues, other information is private. And saying that gambling money is dirty money is probably just the mindset of some stubborn people and the lack of generosity in thinking, money anywhere or any source is still money and is still valuable to use, we are not government, we do not need to judge
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October 06, 2019, 02:17:18 AM
I don't think that way. If I made money, no one should look at where do I spend it or on what I use it for. Why would it even be such a bad thing? It isn't that much of a big deal, you give money and then maybe you win more or lose it all. A big percentage of money given for building churches and other religious establishments comes from mafia or some types of criminals, so gambling isn't that bad.
I don't think bad people will spend money for doing things which don't benefit them in return. I've never heard of criminals doing charitable works instead of buying guns, drugs and illegal stuff.

Anyway, I love your maturity because you said that you don't even care on what other people will say about your gambling activity. You're right! You don't need to explain yourself to them, the important thing you are happy on what you are doing and you are degrading no one Smiley.
exactly, bad people only care about their own world and even tend not to care about their surroundings. how could he use their money to do things that were very contradictory to what they were doing?

in some ways I also don't care about someone's gambling activities if he doesn't bother people around him. but if people do only gamble online, this will not have a bad impact for the surrounding.
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October 06, 2019, 01:07:33 AM
Why are we always debating this topic. In general, everyone has the right to their opinions on the money they get from gambling or promoting gambling sites. If it's personally wrong and it's dirty money, then leave it and stay away from gambling and find a better way. So here, every opinion is kept and we are good and have the right to do it, then do it.
Well, yes that is your own opinion and I will not debate you on that matter. The fact gives me some reason why did you say that gambling is dirty money and that is wrong. Are you committing crimes on gambling? Is gambling prohibited in your place or even in your religion? Then, if yes. No doubt that is dirty money but if none of the above. I did not see that a profit from gambling is dirty money. The fact that all of these are superstitious beliefs.

If gambling is properly defined with real examples, I bet the countries that are against it will be blown away by their own hypocrisy and blindness. Every human or government gamble on regular basis... only those who are humble enough will know this as a fact. If this is not the case, countries wouldn't spend billions on sci/tech research and experiments. Scientists or researchers don't usually tell us they fail majority of the time before succeeding or do not succeed at all. We only see the little successes but don't hear about the many failures, disappointments, and billions spent on them
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October 06, 2019, 12:21:28 AM
I don't think that way. If I made money, no one should look at where do I spend it or on what I use it for. Why would it even be such a bad thing? It isn't that much of a big deal, you give money and then maybe you win more or lose it all. A big percentage of money given for building churches and other religious establishments comes from mafia or some types of criminals, so gambling isn't that bad.
I don't think bad people will spend money for doing things which don't benefit them in return. I've never heard of criminals doing charitable works instead of buying guns, drugs and illegal stuff.

Anyway, I love your maturity because you said that you don't even care on what other people will say about your gambling activity. You're right! You don't need to explain yourself to them, the important thing you are happy on what you are doing and you are degrading no one Smiley.
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